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Bacteria Made to Behave as Computers

hende_jman writes "Scientists at Princeton University successfully 'programmed bacteria to behave like computers, assembling themselves into complex shapes based on instructions stuffed into their genes.' Though applications may not come for awhile, the article says that in the future this technology may be used in devices to detect bioterrorism chemicals. The article also has pictures of the programmed E. coli."

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  1. Call me cynical... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Though applications may not come for awhile, the article says that in the future this technology may be used in devices to detect bioterrorism chemicals.

    Call me cynical, but I think this technology will be used in devices to make and control bioterrorism chemicals. And not necessarily by the "bad guys" either.

    1. Re:Call me cynical... by Trent05 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So "Good Guy" terrorists are going to make and control bioterrorism chemicals???

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    2. Re:Call me cynical... by Justin205 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...also known as "The Government of the United States of America"...

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    3. Re:Call me cynical... by Trent05 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whew! Just making sure the "USA = Evil, everyone else on the planet is good and only does evil things because of the US" groupthink mindset was still in place.

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    4. Re:Call me cynical... by dr+eldritch · · Score: 2, Informative

      What you've got to understand is that "programming" cells to aggregate in a predictable fashion does not confer any new toxic properties to the cells...just the shape of the "tissue" that they are forming. The cells retain all of their old toxin-producing capabilities--should they have them--and are otherwise uninfluenced. In fact, scientists have been able to modify bacterial genomes for years with plasmid cloning...we've long had the ability to insert new genes into bacteria to make them more virulent. This "novel" technique merely uses old plasmid cloning and gene splicing technology to make the bacteria act in a predictable fashion in the presence of some local environmental cue, thus allowing them to serve as indicators of something in the environemnt when touched with it. Nevertheless, if you really want to be paranoid about something, look up the article published in Nature about 1.5 years or so ago wherein a couple of scientists reported building a smallpox virus from scratch. That's right. From scratch. It was accomplished after about 2 weeks worth of work.

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  2. New Programming language by hattan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bacteria.NET Sharp

  3. swell... by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    First, they made armed autonomous robots, now it's smart bacteria that is potentially deadly... All that remains now is for the two to team up against their human opressors. I feel good about it.

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    1. Re:swell... by rakeswell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, someone yesterday made a comment about when they were in school, they were exhorted to list in their papers any military applications the technology might have in order to ensure securing additional research funding, etc. That was the first thing I thought of when I read "...this technology may be used in devices to detect bioterrorism chemicals."

      Sounds we'll be seeing a lot of technology with terrorism-fighting potential for a while to come.

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  4. Imagine... by robpoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Beow ... nevermind .. screw it..

    I for one wel... naw, screw it

    In Soviet Russia .. The bacter... laaaaame

    the GN... err .. nevermind

    Hmmm..

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    1. Re:Imagine... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it doesn't run Linux. But it can have VIRUSES! :D

    2. Re:Imagine... by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but do they run Linux?

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    3. Re:Imagine... by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news, bacteria living in the intestines of a programmer have learned C and are attempting to write, well, really crappy code.

    4. Re:Imagine... by Dead+Kitty · · Score: 4, Funny

      A Beow ... nevermind .. screw it..

      Can you imagine a culture of these things?

  5. Them bugs.. by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Is that the old Life simulation?"

    "No, it's a diagnostic."

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  6. Blood Music? by Scud · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anybody else have visions of the Greg Bear book "Blood Music" when you read this?

    http://www.allscifi.com/Topics/info_5673.asp?BSID= 17562821

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  7. Virus by AFairlyNormalPerson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All they need to do now is do this to a virus... then maybe we can give the virus a virus. Kinda funny, but it would be cool if it led to the desctuction of aids.

    1. Re:Virus by zbyte64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's the flaw with that simple idea:

      Viruses are simply encapsulated DNA with simple crap - they don't manufacture anything. Instead they use other cells to manufacture more of themselves. So a Virus for a Virus would mean for every bad virus in your system, you would need one anti manufactured. Anyevent, now if u had engineered bacteria that i guess would be the equivilant of a "honeypot" in that a viral latches on, but the engineered bacteria destroys incomming DNA etc. But then that would mean the bacteria would be very resistant to various forms of genetic therapy. Just imagine what would happen if the bacteria grew out of control (they need a food source), or mutated into something rlly bad. Do i need to elaborate?

      Anyways, im more worried about new bacteria that is now resistant to antibacterial soap and such. Many of those strains are friggen hard to kill. Granted i could imagine engineering bacteria to kill this.

      I know im just rambling on here, so lemme just sum up what would probably needed to be done to help ensure this new disease fighting bacteria doesn't become our worse nightmare:
      Engineered life cycle, ie a counter for how many times the bacteria can reproduce
      Possible activating agent? Have these bacteria only work if a certain protein is present, etc
      Deactivating agent - simply again, something innate that can be introduced into the blood stream that would cause the bacteria to dismantle itself.
      The odds of the bacteria mutating such that the life cycle and the deactivating agent is ignored before the life cycle is expired would hopefully be enough. Then also consider your body's natural immune system,

      I have no clue how long it would be before bioengineers can do all this, but it is most exiciting

  8. Medical Potential by Fox_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The researchers programmed E. coli bacteria to emit red or green fluorescent light in response to a signal emitted from another set of E. coli. The living cells were commanded to make a bull's-eye pattern, for example, around central cells based on communication between the bacteria. The bacteria "have an exquisite capability to sense molecules in the environment," he said.( Ron Weiss) "The bull's-eye could tell you: This is where the anthrax is."
    Pretty fascinating stuff, stuff like bacteria and viruses have been kicking our asses for years really, sure antibiotics gave us a temporary edge, but now we have super dooper antibiotic resistant versions. All our approaches have really been hit and miss, but now we can develop and program our own little bacteria super soldiers and fight them on their own terms with intelligent strategy backing us up.

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  9. Awesome by dirtsurfer · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's amazing how you can control an organism's behavoir by altering it's DNA.

    *yawn* Welp, time to go look at pictures of naked girls.

  10. Bacteria + Windows = Nightmare by jordie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can only imagine what wonderful ideas Micro$oft is coming up with right now... Imagine your 'computer' crashing and growing all over your house.

    1. Re:Bacteria + Windows = Nightmare by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows 2095 - Who do you want to infect today?

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  11. Wired Article by Brendor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wired did an article about a similar notion back in 1995 which was rather interesting at the time.

  12. Prey? by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anyone else read "Prey" by Micheal Crichton? If so, does any of this sound framiliar? hmmmmmmmmmmm

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    1. Re:Prey? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Anyone else read "Prey" by Micheal Crichton?

      Yeah, and I feel stupider just for having done so. It reads like a bad novelization of a "major motion picture". As I read the book, I could just see Crichton sitting there thinking "OK, now I'll write in a couple cool CG special-effects shots for the movie".

      I hear the movie deal was done before the book even came out. Unfortunately the plot and characters were overlooked, there's not a shred of originality in the whole thing. And the science doesn't even bear talking about.

      I liked Jurassic Park, and Sphere was awesome, but his latest stuff is just trash. Crichton should just admit he knows very little about real science and go back to writing enjoyable science fiction that doesn't pretend to be a commentary on society's faith in technology and the scientific community.

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  13. I FOUND by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 5, Funny

    a betterpictureof bacteria assembling themselves into complex shapes based on instructions stuffed into their genes

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  14. This explains a lot by 3770 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This explains why I could calculate PI to 1 000 000 decimals in 1.8 seconds the last time I was sick.

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  15. Aha! Secrets of IBM's Cell processor, revealed! by xmark · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oops, wrong thread...thought I had something there for moment.

  16. yes but... by Kensho · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can they run Tiger? //you thought i was going to say Linux didn't you.

  17. Careful by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they start generating an AT field, kiss your ass goodbye.

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  18. I see it now... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Funny
    [50 years in the future]

    [me] My %$#&#@@!!! E.Coli Computer keeps running slowly, too dangerous to my health, and is a waste of my time compared to it's electronic counterpart. Maybe if I sprinke a little um, penicillin on it, it might make it run faster [supressed snicker].

  19. e coli inside by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2, Funny

    forget quantum computing I want to be the first on the block to have a fecal matter computer.

    1. Re:e coli inside by SidV · · Score: 4, Funny

      What to go with your piece of sh*t car. ;)

  20. Is it just me? by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me that wonders why science can run along happily trying to create in reality what science fiction has been creating decades before it, yet seemingly blatantly ignoring all the lessons that were there to be learned in the science fiction stories?

    Seems like there is some conspiracy, but something tells me that its just stupid human tricks to do things to see if they can, then stand back and wonder why it all went wrong?

    Yes, it would be good to have programmed virii that might devour an oil spill then die harmlessly, or bacteria that can be injected into a chemical spill to clean it up, or down an oil well to preprocess the crude to make it easily recoverd from the ground....

    Its just that no one seems to be working on figuring out the dangers at the same time as people are working on the possibilities...

    1. Re:Is it just me? by bloodyghol · · Score: 2, Funny

      You would really think some areas of science would just be abandoned after all those science gone wrong books/movies/games. I mean seriously, if I find out that the US government is still trying to open a gate to hell, I'm going to be pissed. There are all of three games and an upcoming movie (although that may not count) that seam to be sending the don't open a gate to hell because it's really, really bad for you message.

      Of course, all of these types of advancements can be the gate to hell, but often offer nice and helpful features that subdue the nastier ones. Like the computer. The computer is great, we can do so much good stuff on it. A computer could be chugging through bioinfomatics programs to find a cure for cancer, or it could be sitting their determining the best way to cause human pain and suffering (because I know thats what everybody here does with their computers).

      The point is, all technology has a good and bad aspect and we really have to pay attention to ethics and keep people from unleashing a supervirus or destroying earth (for a hyperspace bypass).

    2. Re:Is it just me? by hankaholic · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Is it just me that wonders why science can run along happily trying to create in reality what science fiction has been creating decades before it, yet seemingly blatantly ignoring all the lessons that were there to be learned in the science fiction stories?

      This would be more valid if the majority of the sci-fi out there weren't utter crap. You didn't provide more specific examples of non-crap, and spoke quite vaguely of "figuring out the dangers".

      Assume teleportation were possible. Would you suggest we ignore it because of the lessons "The Fly" had to teach us? How about AI research? Should we ban that because of the lessons of "The Matrix"? What about genetic engineering? Should we avoid that as well, since obviously Jeff Goldblum insisting that "life will find a way" provides all requires scientific justification as to whether it is truly possible for such biological situations to rear their recombinant heads?

      I'm convinced that the appeal of sci-fi is the idea of modeling human behavior in hypothetical situations which are non-threatening viewers who are not social in the traditional sense. As an exercise, watch a ST:TNG episode and wait for the moment when they pull some solution out of their ass and indicate that it's due to some character's abilities (such as those listed above) that the answer was found. Note how little actual science was involved. Turn on the Sci-Fi channel. Think further about how little scientific fact and possibility comprise the typical sci-fi premise.

      There's a difference between something a writer pulls out of their ass and scientific possibility or likeliness. It's just a pity that it's a boring sci-fi work which covers the fact that in reality it's a damned hard task to create an organism which can survive outside of the laboratory in ideal conditions, let alone turn the planet into some form of gelatenous goo. The idea of a laboratory-created organism which isn't robust enough to survive simply doesn't make for a very compelling plot unless you're getting into the emotional strain of working hard to produce things which keeps dying despite your best efforts, and that hardly sounds like a sci-fi work to me.

      The simple fact is that the further scientists deviate from organisms which exist presently, the more rapidly the long-term viability approaches zero. Genetically engineered corn is still pretty damned close to corn -- no tentacles, no sentience that we've noticed thus far, just corn. There's a reason why most mutations die off -- it's a large combination of factors which are required to allow a species to persist. We are far from understanding these factors in terms of "this protein structure is stable and will generate an organism capable of everything required to survive outside of the laboratory", let alone being able to build it from the ground up.

      However, I might be wrong. It might be that science fiction has produced a large body of scientific truths which are best heeded, aside from "don't make Brundleflies or use DNA from animals which are known to change genders to recreate animals which will want to eat us". If that is the case, it would be greatly beneficial if you'd point the uninformed Slashdot masses of which I take part towards a compendium of conclusions. If these truths are not yet compiled in a single place, I encourage you to consider starting a Wiki and saving the planet.

      However, it just may be possible that these people aren't total idiots and realize that making, for example, a race of highly reproductive, highly violent, superintelligent monkeys with an insatiable thirst for human blood would probably not further their long-term career goals long before the realization sinks in that the eventual results would converge in some way upon the plotline of "Planet of the Apes".
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  21. First program: by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps the first program will be a cellular Autonoma simmulation. They could program it to play the game of Life.

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    1. Re:First program: by koko775 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thank you. My mind will now proceed to explode. This is at least as perverse as nested wine-cygwin installs, only worse.

  22. nice comparison by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 4, Funny
    Bacteria have been programmed to behave like computers, assembling themselves into complex shapes based on instructions stuffed into their genes.

    The last time i saw a computer assembling itself into a complex shape it didn't need instructions to accomplish that. Gravity is pretty much all it took.

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  23. Re:air conditioner invented by DeathPenguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously... I hate to get off topic, but it seems like more and more new technologies are jumping on the 'terrorist detection' bandwagon when they lack more practical applications. I especially love the part where they specify "bioterrorism chemicals" or whatever, as if a primitive computer made of organic cells can detect them any better than a computer with a crapload of transistors can simply because of their biological nature.

    Hey, I've invented a great new device that can also be used as an anti-bioterror device! I call it a "dog," and with its evolved processor (A "brain" as some like to call it) it can monitor and detect chemical and biological agents with a special probe called a "nose." Give me money!

  24. Relevant research publications by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

    ::digs around for relevant info::

    First off, here's the web page for Ron Weiss, the scientist mentioned in the article.

    Here's (what I think is) the relevant publication on the topic:

    A synthetic multicellular system for programmed pattern formation

    Subhayu Basu, Yoram Gerchman, Cynthia H. Collins, Frances H. Arnold and Ron Weiss

    Nature 434, 1130-1134 (28 April 2005)

    Pattern formation is a hallmark of coordinated cell behaviour in both single and multicellular organisms1, 2, 3. It typically involves cellcell communication and intracellular signal processing. Here we show a synthetic multicellular system in which genetically engineered 'receiver' cells are programmed to form ring-like patterns of differentiation based on chemical gradients of an acyl-homoserine lactone (AHL) signal that is synthesized by 'sender' cells. In receiver cells, 'band-detect' gene networks respond to user-defined ranges of AHL concentrations. By fusing different fluorescent proteins as outputs of network variants, an initially undifferentiated 'lawn' of receivers is engineered to form a bullseye pattern around a sender colony. Other patterns, such as ellipses and clovers, are achieved by placing senders in different configurations. Experimental and theoretical analyses reveal which kinetic parameters most significantly affect ring development over time. Construction and study of such synthetic multicellular systems can improve our quantitative understanding of naturally occurring developmental processes and may foster applications in tissue engineering, biomaterial fabrication and biosensing.


    This conference abstract is also pretty darned cool:

    Dynamic Control in a Coordinated Multi-Cellular Maze Solving System

    Hsu, Allen (Princeton Univ.), Vijayan, Vikram (Princeton Univ.), Fomundam, Lawrence (Univ. of Maryland, Baltimore County), Gerchman, Yoram (Princeton Univ.), Basu, Subhayu (Princeton Univ.), Karig, David (Princeton Univ.), Hooshangi, Sara (Princeton Univ.), Weiss, Ron (Princeton Univ.)

    2005 American Control Conference

    Control system theory provides convenient tools and concepts for describing and analyzing complex cell functions. In this paper we demonstrate the use of control theory to forward-engineer a complex synthetic gene network constructed from several modular components. Specifically, we present the design and simulation of a synthetic multi-cellular maze-solving system. Here, bacterial cells are programmed to use artificial cell-to-cell communication and regulatory feedback in order to illuminate the correct path in a user-defined maze of cells arranged on a surface. Simulations were used to analyze the system's spatiotemporal dynamics and sensitivity to various kinetic parameters. Experiments with Escherichia coli were carried out to characterize the diffusion properties of artificial cell-to-cell communication based on bacterial quorum sensing systems. The rational design process and simulation tools employed in this study provide an example for future engineering of complex synthetic gene networks comprising multiple control system motifs.

  25. The MIT Standard Registry of Biological Parts by supersat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Last week, Dr. Drew Endy from MIT gave a talk to the University of Washington's CSE department on Building Biological Systems (PowerPoint slides are here).

    At first glance, building biological systems seems like a pretty daunting task. You have all of these As, Ts, Gs, and Cs, and your task is to figure out how to order them to make your system work as specified. And unlike computers that were engineered by humans, the biological mechanisms that work on DNA aren't completely understood.

    However, a promising method of engineering biological systems is to abstract them into systems, devices, and parts. One of the interesting things they're doing is building a repository of biological parts, available at http://parts.mit.edu/. These parts use a standardize way of communicating with each other, allowing you to combine them easily.

    Using these parts, college students are able to engineer biological systems in a single quarter. In fact, there's been a few intercollegiate biological engineering competitions, linked to from the MIT Parts site.

  26. Re:+1 Amerikkka the victim by Trent05 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are you kidding, look at all the websites around the net. I live in a fascist dictatorship. The leader of my country is right up there with Hitler, the third biggest mass murder in history (Stalin & Mao Tse Tung taking the top two spots). To top that, I live in fear of the USA Patriot Act. That means I can be arrested by just PLANNING on blowing up buildings/landmarks/petting zoos. I tell you, the rest of the world has it pretty sweet compared to the toil of your average American's day-to-day life.

    Seriously though, I sure as hell won't defend everything the US has done, but the mindless US-bashing is ridiculous.

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  27. Re:+1 Amerikkka the victim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    dood, if you blow up a petting zoo, I want pictures

  28. They want a slice of the a funding cake by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US govt will piss any amount of money at "Homeland Security". To get a slice of the action you just need to draw some tentative link between your new technology and the "War on terrorism".

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  29. Re:mod -1 Americ-bashing by tokabola · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The United States of America are very involved in terrorism. Osama Bin Laden was trained in terrorism by the CIA. That's not "tin foil hat" talk, that's a known, admitted-by-the-CIA fact. The U.S. government has also been the force that got Pappa Doc, Manuel Noriega, and the Shah of Iran into power, just to name a few. These are verified, undisputed (by the government - hotly disputed by the "US can do no wrong" crowd) facts, not liberal propaganda. Even in Afghanistan, the Taliban was able to gain control because the people couldn't tolerate the warlords empowered by the CIA to fight the Russians. The same warlords placed back in power during the "liberation" of Afghanistan.

    As for proof, there are plenty of records of this, available from the government itself through the Freedom of Information Act. The government freely admits to doing these things, and use the mistakes they made in the past to justify making the same mistakes again today. "We shouldn't have done that, but now they hate us so we have to kick their butts again" is standard operating procedure. That's not liberal hogwash - that's known fact - undisputed by anyone except a few obsessive nationalists like yourself.

    The US government has sponsored and trained terrorists for over 40 years, all in the name of "peace" and "democracy". I'm not saying this because I hate America, but because I am an American patriot who believes in what the Constitution. The American government has enabled, encouraged, and full on participated in atrocities when ever the powers-that-be have decided it was expedient.

    I don't condone terrorism, no matter who's committing it. But do you really think people would be willing to die just to hurt the US without any reason? Terrorism is the price America pays for it's hubris. While our pride and unrelenting arrogance don't justify terrorism, they are the root cause of it.

    People like you, who throw out logic and compassion in exchange for jingoistic egotism are what is ruining the country I love. You are the people who talk about bringing Democracy to the world when we don't even truly have it in the US. The government brags about bringing "fair and impartial" elections to Iraq, because they can't brag about having them here in the US.

    A true American Patriot follows his own morals, not his president. If your morals align with our current governments, then you are a traitor to the very ideals that are supposed to set us above all the commies and terrorists.

    Tommy

    BTW, I could have just modded you down for trolling, but I don't want people in other counties to think that most of America are as screwed up as you. It seemed more important to let people know that most Americans think you are an asshat. Unfortunately, after two illegal and constitutionally invalid elections most Americans have realized that "the people" no longer run America.
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  30. Why the constant terrorism references?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Though applications may not come for awhile, the article says that in the future this technology may be used in devices to detect bioterrorism chemicals." Come on, do we really need to have the terrorism angle pointed out for every new technology that comes along??? It's BS to get science funding cause apparently the only R&D budget the U.S. still subsidizes is military and anti-terrorism. I swear, it's only a matter of time before people start trying to claim research into the drag coefficient of sheep over various surfaces (See: http://www.improbable.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html#i g2003Ignobel Awards ) qualifies as an anti-terrorism expenditure.

  31. WARNING by jlebrech · · Score: 2, Funny

    WARNING eating you computer may cause severe health problems.

  32. Re:GNU licence? by salvorHardin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps Mr Adams wasn't so wrong in stating that Earth and everything on it was actually one big computer, running a very important program.

  33. Re:+1 Amerikkka the victim by KiroDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And now, if you live in florida, you can get shot just by looking menacing ...

  34. good think you didn't mod by elgatozorbas · · Score: 3, Insightful
    BTW, I could have just modded you down for trolling, but I don't want people in other counties to think that most of America are as screwed up as you. It seemed more important to let people know that most Americans think you are an asshat.

    Which was a good idea. I cannot speak for my whole country (Belgium, which has problems of its own, btw), let alone _all_ other countries of course. But the US are seen as ignorant navel-gazers who are surprised that terrorist attack them, and go and reinforce what THEY (U.S.) think is right, as a 'police of the world'. Attacking other countries under false pretences, holding prisoners without trial for years, not caring about treaties, not caring about shooting former hostages (Guiliana), just because that is part of their policital agenda. And then the US is surprised that nobody loves them.

    So it is nice to see some Americans remember what democracy and freedom it was all about...

    1. Re:good think you didn't mod by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm with you. I love my country and I always will, but I'm ashamed of its government.

  35. Role reversal by ChaoticSilly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Software has had bugs forever. Now the bugs have software.

  36. Re:mod -1 Americ-bashing by danila · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about Luis Posada Carriles? He is wanted by Venezuela for a plane bombing where about 70 people died. He is wanted in connection with numours assassination attemts by Cuba. He has proven ties with CIA and he is in Florida right now, seeking asylum. Interestingly, the US media is silent on the issue, with only a few article by Miami Herald and several brief mentions in some minor papers.

    The United States is questioned in the UN, Cuba and Venezuela demand a response, but the US government is silent. They know better. They understand that if the media is not allowed to raise a stink, the issue will die down and noone will be aware of the crimes committed by CIA. Noone will realise that US does support terrorists, real terrorists that blow planes. And if anyone will tell the US public, it will react with indignation, because "everybody knows that the United States doesn't get involved in terrorism".

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  37. Brainstorm by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    literally. What could we do with this? I immediately thought of a problem it might help to solve. How do you get wires into a person's brain, in millions or billions of places, to read and write to individual neurons. We've seen articles recently that talk about using our brains to control devices, or using these probes to read neurons and decode the information. I wonder if these bacteria could be used somehow to grow very tiny wires throughout an entire brain which could provide a was to read and write information to the brain.

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  38. Re:mod -1 Americ-bashing by egoriot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'll give you that America has trained and supplied people and groups that have gone on to commit atrocities. Maybe we even supported them while they were doing these things. Maybe some people in government even knew about them as they were happening.

    Your conclusion seems to be that these things are cause for recent terrorist actions against us. I don't think this is exactly correct. From what I've read many Arabs dislike the American government because of our military and monetary support for Israel, as well as the fact the we have troop stationed on their land (ie Saudi Arabia).

    Even if all of these things are true, however, it doesn't follow that the American government has acted irresponsibly in the past and continues to do so now. The real world is full of hard choices, and maybe the best decision in the 1980's was to support the mujahadeen against the communists, even if there was a risk they would later turn against us. Is the world a better place without the Cold War but with Islamic terrorism? Are we a better country for having picked that battle and (arguably) won it?

    You also seem to suggest that our responsibility for terrorism means we need a more pacifist, compromising, multilateral foreign policy. This doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me. Maybe you could provide more details on what exactly you would do differently from this administration.

    BTW, nobody has found credible evidence of election fraud that would have turned the election. I have to wonder if the Democrats had done better, but with the same election abnormalities as have been reported, you would still consider the election "illegal". I somehow doubt it.

  39. Re:mod -1 Americ-bashing by Crazy+Eight · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They hate us because we won't submit to their bloody, violent, backwards, worthless piece of crap religion. Islam has the goal of world domination and we are the targets because we won't submit to enslavement.

    Bullshit. They hate us because they don't want us stopping them from making Muslims submit to Wahabbism -- or at least what Wahabbists want for government.

  40. Re:mod -1 Americ-bashing by danila · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1) Soviet Union was not a colonialist state. It didn't "extract" resources from 3rd world countries, on the contrary, it poured resources into them. Ask any Egyptian, Cuban, Vietnamese, Indian, Chinese or a person from any other country friendly to the USSR. Soviet Union provided immeasurable resources - specialists, technologies, training, equipment, everything in order to help its friends build powerful societies. The United States, as you well realise, does exactly the opposite.

    2) Yeah, sorry for forgetting about Afghanistan. That's one example where the Soviet Union did invade. It was much more complicated, however, and it was indeed done to remove a threat to the security of the Soviet Union (as you can easily see on any world map). Another example was Finland - again Soviet Union had no other choice and tried to resolve matters peacefully. There were no unprovoked attacks on countries on the other side of the world with extermination of civilian populace and stuff. Heck, Soviet soldiers and officers were summarily executed for pillage in 1945 in Germany. Soviet Union wasn't an aggressive country, despite the lies perpetrated by neocons in late 1980s (watch the brilliant BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares to see how it was carried out).

    The general point is still valid - Soviet Union was usually a friend, while the United States generally acts as an enemy.

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