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Larry Page's Vision of the Future

adamjh writes "Yesterday, Google co-founder Larry Page gave an amazing talk to the 2005 graduating class of the University of Michigan College of Engineering. In true geek form, I made sure to record Larry's entire speech on my mobile phone in order to share with the Slashdot community a rare glimpse into Larry's thoughts on the past, present, and future -- on topics ranging from dropping out of Stanford to start Google to "Thinking Big" and the abundance of venture capital to traveling to Mars, curing world hunger, and well, much much more."

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  1. Drop out..... by wpiman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well- seems he dropped out of Stanford. Seems all the successful CEOs drop out- Gates, Ellsion, and Page. Seems all the people he was preaching to are already doomed to be losers.

    1. Re:Drop out..... by learn+fast · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget Dell, Jobs, Ballmer... also drop-outs

    2. Re:Drop out..... by whh3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      He dropped out of GRADUATE school. There's a difference. Bill Gates never finished undergrad.

      From the google website:
      (http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate /execs.htm l#larry)
      "Page became an honors graduate from the University of Michigan, where he earned a bachelor of science degree in engineering, with a concentration on computer engineering."

      "While in the PhD program in computer science at Stanford University, Page met Sergey Brin and together they developed and ran Google, which began operating in 1998. Page went on leave from Stanford after earning his master's degree."

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    3. Re:Drop out..... by timeOday · · Score: 2, Funny
      He dropped out of GRADUATE school. There's a difference. Bill Gates never finished undergrad.
      Yeah there's a difference... B.G. is still worth about 7x as much as Larry Page!
    4. Re:Drop out..... by Headcase88 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn! Imagine how rich I'd be if I dropped out of Elementary School >:(

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    5. Re:Drop out..... by donothingsuccessfull · · Score: 2, Funny

      > B.G. is still worth about 7x as much as Larry Page!
      Yes, I for one would be willing to trade one Gates for seven Pages. Or one Page for a seventh of a gates, so long as they used a saw.

  2. Re:Peak oil (again) by wpiman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well damn... I gues it is time to invest in that oxen farm......

  3. Re:EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT THE FILE by The_Fire_Horse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hello helpful person!
    Could you please email 2 copies to me - one is for my cousin.

    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

  4. Textual transcript, anyone? by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You must have boatloads upon boatloads of bandwidth to be able to post something like that right on the front page of Slashdot.

    I'll wait a few hours before hitting that link, but man, I wish there were a textual transcript of the same, because that would be easier to analyze, quote, and reference.

    1. Re:Textual transcript, anyone? by siobHan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, there is boatloads of bandwidth, but I don't think he'd like to see his bill.

      About 8GB was transferred in about 18 minutes, before it was shut down.

      J

    2. Re:Textual transcript, anyone? by shizzle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of an old SNL Weekend Update line (Kevin Nealon, I think... paraphrased from memory): "If you would like a transcript of tonight's broadcast, get a pen and write down everything I say really fast."

    3. Re:Textual transcript, anyone? by adamjh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, about 8GB was transferred in about 18 minutes, before pair.com's web server crashed and couldn't handle the load, and I received an email telling me that my files were being "locked".

      Quoted from an email I received from pair.com technical support:

      Because of the requests for these files, no other site hosted on the entire server was able to accept request due to the saturation to and from your server.

      And lastly, your account transferred about 8 GB of data in 18 minutes.


      So, 3 thoughts come to mind:

      1. What bill? pair.com drops the day with the most-used bandwidth when calculating billing!

      2. The files were quickly moved to University web servers which handled the load fine.

      3. It's interesting that a pair.com support rep posted my account statistics in a public forum.. hmmm.

    4. Re:Textual transcript, anyone? by Tibe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rough text transcript of Larry Page's speach. '??' means I couldn't hear it.

      I typed this out, but don't blame me for stuff thats wrong, reply to it to correct it. Or Google anything you want to know from it ;-)

      I have no idea about copyrights, but it's Larrys speach, and I would bet deaf people have the right to see it.

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      Well thank you, it's a pleasure and honor to be here, and I don't know I think we're in trouble with details ?? the most authoritative source.

      It's really kind of amazing to be here 10 years after I graduated, in 1995, from the electrical engineering and computer science department. [cheers] I have so much I want to say to you in a really short time, and we're going to go though it pretty quickly. Before I do that there is something I wish I was able to do at my graduation. You have tons and tons and tons of people here to supporting you. I'd like you all to get up and wave to your support, family, friends, and everybody.

      I am deeply indebted to Michigan. Let try to give you a little of my history. One thing we didn't mention is my parents actually met here cleaning a car. So I really thought we should give them some thanks for that. ?? My dad actually said to me when I was deciding what school to go to "Well Ill pay for any school you want to go to as long as its Michigan" I have to admit this had a significant impact on where I ended up going. I'm also indebted to Michigan which was amazingly advanced in computation and this had been going on for a really long time. I remember using Zaptor? Which you guys probably don't know about, but in 1993 we had instant messaging, in the computer labs. Somebody would arrive, you'd know when they left, where they were. and you could instant message them, just like you do now on the internet, but that was in 1993, not today. In fact the main ?? speaker John ?? Brown, graduated in 1970, computer and communication sciences, which wasn't the normal kind of degree to have in 1970. In fact my dad graduated with his PhD in '65 also from that department having one of the first degrees like that to be awarded. I also learned from my father his electrical engineering assignments he would bring home he's 9 years older than me, and he went here as well, and I had learned how to do them all 9 years early. Its pretty helpful, made the classes a lot easier. I got great leadership training in ?? selling doughnuts apparently, that aparently still goes on here. One relaxing summer and I built an inkjet printer out of legos witch I recommend to everyone. If you have some extra time on your hands.

      I also got a deep and relevant engineering education, just like all of you, and that's been very valuable in the time since I left Michigan. With good and lasting values, which I know a lot of you probably don't understand because your here, but its not true about everywhere people are nice and will talk to you and generally do the right things. Many of Goggles early employees came from Michigan too and I've really tried to give back to the university in anyway I can. I have been on the advisory board here and I'm sure I'll do other things in the future.

      Now, I need to know a little more about you guys before I continue, so how many of you? I'll ask the graduates and the audience here, 'How many of you work, or will work, in Michigan?'

      That's a pretty good number.

      Alright, How about, 'Work or will work for a really big company?'

      Uh huh, even more.

      How about 'Work or will work for a start-up?'

      Oh, that's a pretty good number.

      Uh, 'Will go to grad school ?? ?'

      Did I miss anybody else? Raise your hands.

      OK well I thought that would cover most people.

      How about, 'How many of you are Women?'

      Yeah.

      Alright, alright. How about 'Work or will work for Google?'

      We got a couple in the audience too.

      Help me out a bit. 'How many of you would consider working for ?? the ?? engineering ?? ?'

      OK I think that's wha

  5. Well... by Xarius · · Score: 3, Funny



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  6. Conspiracy by AndrenidEnder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone's vision for the future next to the story about the time travellers' convention.

  7. Larry Paige's recent activities by Daniel294 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems that Mr. Paige has gone on a philonthropic course lately (not that that's a bad thing). At the FIRST robotics competition in Atlanta, he made a 15 minute long speech with some great messages (although I thought his delivery was sub-par). Among them, he pledged money from www.google.org to FIRST. He is very inspiring. Larry, from FIRST to you, thanks. -Daniel

  8. Re:LARRY PAGE OWNS YOU by bsharitt · · Score: 3, Informative

    MP3 direct dowload here

  9. Re:Peak oil (again) by ardor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but while Peak Oil is likely to happen, it will NOT prevent the stuff he is talking about, it will delay it.

    Middle Ages are a thing of the past. You need to get rid of ALL SCIENCE, of all technical achievements, of all cultural changes, reinstall the church as the supreme power....

    While it is wise to take Peak Oil seriously, doomsaying won't help anyone. Oh yes, a crisis is likely, it will result in drastic cuts in energy until alternative energy sources are fully installed. When fusion power becomes feasible, we're back on track again.

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  10. Re:In other news by jb.hl.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Heh, I have a GMail account too...doesn't mean I worship everything Google does though, as Slashdot seems to do now. It seriously is becoming a site for Google and Apple fanboys, and very little else. The only reason I'm still here is because I'm thoroughly addicted to this place :)

    And of course, Taco/Timothy/Neal etc don't listen to what the users of Slashdot actually want...I'm fairly sure daily Google updates is fairly low on most peoples' list of priorities :)

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  11. Page's Take on Business by Pavan_Gupta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I couldn't agree with Page more ..

    larry page: "I know a lot of you are planning on going to business school, but I don't think you need to go to business schoool"

    larry page: "I just read a bookshelf of business books"

    From a man worth 7 billion dollars, it sure seems to me like his statement on how to run a business is pretty reputable.

    1. Re:Page's Take on Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      just because a successful business man says don't bother going to b-school doesn't mean he's right. it depends very much on what he said in context. if by "don't go, i just ready books," page meant "don't go to b-school to gain business knowledge, because it's better to gain experience," then his advice is probably a good one. if the message you took home is that someone became successful without going to b-school and he said don't bother, so b-school is useless, then that's not a very smart interpretation of his message.

      i know it's not quite the same thing, but a lottery-winning millionaire simply recommending "don't bother to take jobs, just buy lottery tickets" and listening to it simply because he/she is wealthy is dumb, don't you think?

    2. Re:Page's Take on Business by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Insightful
      From a man worth 7 billion dollars, it sure seems to me like his statement on how to run a business is pretty reputable.

      I doubt that you'd base most of your other decisions based on one data point. Why do it now?

      For every successful dropout there are thousands who are very unsuccessful. Too often we point to these sui generis cases and say "see! I don't have to go to school." The drop-out, under-educated successful type happens, but it's not the norm.

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    3. Re:Page's Take on Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These billionaire drop-outs are successful because they already had a thriving business when they dropped out, not because they dropped out! Some run of the mill nerd is better off staying in school if the alternative is working somewhere for $10/hr. If you see an opportunity, you should take it. That's the message. On the other hand, I know a lot of kids who went back to Stanford with their tails between their legs after the dot-com bust...

    4. Re:Page's Take on Business by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2
      Right ... you know that Google had to hire a professional CEO a long time ago

      Maybe that was one of the things he read in the books.

    5. Re:Page's Take on Business by KingJoshi · · Score: 2, Informative

      They hired a big time CEO because their venture capitalists basically forced it on them. The CEO is obviously worth something, but even he says he had to let them do their thing. They seem like stubborn principled people. Sometimes, that's good.

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    6. Re:Page's Take on Business by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 2, Informative

      I dunno if anyone of you guys may of read this but there was a blog entry doing the rounds the last few months how to think like a MBA grad by reading about 30-40 books. The link is here.

      From the site:

      Seth says that you can get most of the value of an MBA education without forking over the big bucks by reading 30-40 books. I agree.

      An MBA may be valuable from a networking standpoint, as Bren points out. The classroom environment and case method can also be a plus, as Diego acknowledges. Points well made, gentlemen.

      Both Diego and Seth bring up another point: the MBA is a still a stamp of approval for some careers, like consulting and investment banking. I think that's a damn shame, but I don't run those HR departments. Maybe it's my personality, but I have a hard time working my butt off simply for a "stamp of approval." I think that the primary purpose of pursuing an education is learning something valuable, not adding a line to my resume. (For what that's worth.)

      In the context of learning useful knowledge that will make you a more productive and valuable employee, I maintain that you can educate yourself effectively for less than a quarter of the time and money spent in most current MBA programs.

    7. Re:Page's Take on Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know how Schmidt was hired. The VCs had Page and Brin meet with lots of successful people in the Valley, and they all told them that they needed someone with experience. They listened, and they paid Schmidt a billion bucks or so in stock. He's not there just for decoration, he does a lot of shit work that has to get done if a company is going to succeed, and unless one has experience or training, one won't know how to do this shit work.
      Every example of a non-MBA at the head of a highly successful tech company either has decades of experience or someone with experience or an MBA working underneath him.

  12. Anyone... by jgold03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    want to write a transcript of the message for us... ...please :)

  13. I was there too (though I've not graduated) by mnemonic_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I found it pretty underwhelming. Page is not a great speaker he's a geek. There were several ums and 4-second awkward pauses, unlike the other speeches (by students and others). He fumbled with words at times and it seemed he had barely rehearsed. And the content was nothing fantastic. "Take risks, space flight is cool [cheers from aero majors], my parents met in a coop, how many of you would work for Google if we opened an Ann Arbor office, blah." It was nice, somewhat encouraging but to me, his manner of speaking made the whole thing fall flat. He gave not pearls of wisdom, but offhand comments on fun bits of tech.

    1. Re:I was there too (though I've not graduated) by Fizzl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where's the "-1 WTF?!?"-moderation when you need one?

  14. Re:In other news by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. You can't. If you look in your user prefs, you'll notice that that option has miraculously disappeared. you can now only block by section.

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  15. Re:In other news by jb.hl.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thank you for your kind comments regarding my post. Would you care to elaborate as to what was wrong with it?

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  16. DUPE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its not slashdots fault this time!

    Its his fault, ha gave the EXACT SAME SPEECH at the first robotics nationals in georgia

  17. Google is changing things by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We get it. Google is teh roxx0r. Move on. Please.

    Google is one of the few market-changing forces in computer tech these days. There's a reason you read a lot about Google, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, AMD, Intel, etc. on Slashdot. It's because these are the companies that are changing the way other companies do business, and in turn how we all work and play.

    Because you didn't include any sort of solution to what you see as an overabundance of stories about Google, I'm curious: What specific types of stories would you like to see?

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  18. Re:EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT THE FILE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    billg AT microsoft.com

    I LOVE LARRY!!!! ^o^ XD

  19. I'm mirroring the mp3 by DrHanser · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here

    Please don't link to the file directly. Gracias.

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  20. Ohh! What a brazen reckloose! by PocketPick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dropping out of his PH.D? *GASP*! What with only a pathetic Masters, how could he have made it?

    Sarcasm aside, his leaving the academic world doesn't supprise me. Given that a PH.D won't expand practical knowledge of Computer Science as a Bachelors and Masters would, I would of done the same thing. He didn't take a chance, he just came to his senses.

    1. Re:Ohh! What a brazen reckloose! by NotBorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm reminded of something my brother once said about getting a degree. He said that there are two types of people with degrees. Those who can use the degree do. Those that can't, teach. He further went on to say that most of his instructors were genuinely talented at analyzing algorithms, critiquing papers, or whatever but at the same time lacked creativity. They could critique one's creation, but in general couldn't create one of their own. I believe the truth to be some what greyer, but it's still an interesting out take of his x years at school.

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  21. Files back online... by adamjh · · Score: 5, Informative

    mp3 and wav files moved to University webspace -- should be able to withstand the /.ing. cheers.

  22. Re:Peak oil (again) by squidsoup · · Score: 3, Informative

    The IEA has recently shifted its peak forecast date from 2035, to a vague 2015-2024. This is particularly significant, as the IEA's forecasts have traditionally been rather optimistic. There are a number of geologists that are suggesting we have hit global peak production now, or that we will in the very near future i.e. 2005-2007. If that is the case, we do not have enough time to replace our existing energy infrastructure. We also currently do not have a source of liquid fuel with the ERoEI of petroleum. Rather than being complacent in the hopes that future technologies will replace oil, we should be doing everything possible to reduce our consumption.

    We will not be regressing to medieval civilisation, but life as we all know it will change irrevocably.

    Get ready for some interesting times.

  23. Re:Torrent? by ploss · · Score: 5, Informative
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  24. The Google and the future from another one by hermank · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I did not listen to the speech. However, I found that the EPIC 2014 has more insight on the google and the future.
    http://www.robinsloan.com/epic/

    For those who dont want to see the flash movie, here goes the text: (some content is omitted near the end, so I would recommend to see the flash movie)

    * * * *

    In 1989, Tim Berners-Lee, a computer scientist at the CERN particle physics laboratory in Switzerland, invents the World Wide Web.

    1994 sees the founding of Amazon.com. Its young creator dreams of a store that sells everything. Amazon's model, which would come to set the standard for Internet sales, is built on automated personalized recommendations - a store that can make suggestions.

    In 1998, two Stanford programmers create Google. Their algorithm echoes the language of Amazon, it treats links as recommendations, and from that foundation powers the world's most effective search engine.

    In 1999, TiVo transforms television by unshackling it from the constraints of time - and commercials. Almost no one who tries it ever goes back.

    That year, a dot-com start-up named Pyra Labs unveils Blogger, a personal publishing tool.

    Friendster launches in 2002 and hundreds of thousands of young people rush to populate it with an incredibly detailed map of their lives, their interests and their social networks. Also in 2002, Google launches GoogleNews, a news portal. News organizations cry foul. GoogleNews is edited entirely by computers.

    In 2003, Google buys Blogger. Google's plans are a mystery, but their interest in Blogger is not unreasonable.

    2003 is the Year of the Blog.

    2004 would be remembered as the year that everything began.

    Reason Magazine sends subscribers an issue with a satellite photo of their houses on the cover and information custom-tailored to each subscriber inside.

    Sony and Philips unveil the world's first mass-produced electronic paper.

    Google unveils GMail, with a gigabyte of free space for every user.

    Microsoft unveils Newsbot, a social news filter.

    Amazon unveils A9, a search engine built on Google's technology that also incorporates Amazon's trademark recommendations.

    And then, Google goes public.

    Awash in new capital, the company makes a major acquisition. Google buys TiVo.

    2005 - In response to Google's recent moves, Microsoft buys Friendster.

    2006 - Google combines all of its services - TiVo, Blogger, GMail, GoogleNews and all of its searches into the Google Grid, a universal platform that provides a functionally limitless amount of storage space and bandwidth to store and share media of all kinds. Always online, accessible from anywhere. Each user selects her own level of privacy. She can store her content securely on the Google Grid, or publish it for all to see. It has never been easier for anyone, everyone to create as well as consume media.

    2007 - Microsoft responds to Google's mounting challenge with Newsbotster, a social news network and participatory journalism platform. Newsbotster ranks and sorts news, based on what each user's friends and colleagues are reading and viewing and it allows everyone to comment on what they see.

    Sony's ePaper is cheaper than real paper this year. It's the medium of choice for Newsbotster.

    2008 sees the alliance that will challenge Microsoft's ambitions. Google and Amazon join forces to form Googlezon. Google supplies the Google Grid and unparalled search technology. Amazon supplies the social recommendation engine and its huge commercial infrastructure. Together, they use their detailed knowledge of every user's social network, demographics, consumption habits and interests to provide total customization of content - and advertising.

    The News Wars of 2010 are notable for the fact that no actual news organizations take part.

    Googlezon finally checkmates Microsof

    1. Re:The Google and the future from another one by sabinm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Monday, Mar 10, 2014, Skynet becomes aware.

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  25. Re:Peak oil (again) by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Peak oil will happen, but fusion isn't going to help us. We're generations away from commercial fusion power.

    Fission is the only thing that is ready and available to step up, along with a few other things like coal gassification.

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  26. Re:Peak oil (again) by nate+nice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Once oil goes over something like $100.00/barrel it becomes cost efficient to refine shale oil, which we have loads and loads of. Not to mention geological surveys that point to the Gulf of Mexico having more oil than the Saudis ever could dream of. It costs more to get at this oil, but as the cost/barrel rises, it become efficient to drill this and refine it. So in this regard, America is in fact in a great future position in regards to oil as a primary source of power. However, I would agree we should reduce our consumption if possible and seek other methods for generating power. Oil rising to a high price is probably the natural way to make people consume less.

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  27. Re:In other news by zulux · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seriously is becoming a site for Google and Apple fanboys

    I'm tired of it too -- where's the site for fans of MSN and Emachines?

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  28. Re:Peak oil (again) by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The first form of viable power-generating fussion will most likely be not-so-portable. And you might need oil for a number of other reasons, like plastics and medicine, not to mention tens of thousands of other chemicals which you can'yt produce without oil.

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  29. Re:Pagerank and nothing more by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's easy to be charitable when it doesn't affect your lifestyle.
    Does that make it any less charitable? (Especially to the people on the receiving end). Or is charity only really charity when it hurts the giver?
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  30. Re:Peak oil (again) by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oil at $100 a barrel doesn't just mean that filling up your car is more expensive. Everything depends on oil, including growing and transporting your food.

    The whole capitalist system is mostly a pyramid scheme that depends on growth. Expensive everything means less growth, more unemployment and potentially a nasty negative spiral when debt repaiments are not met, at the level of a whole country.

    It can be very nasty. We will not run out of oil or out of oil replacements, this is not the problem.

  31. Re:Pagerank and nothing more by drsquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah pretty much, otherwise it's just PR. Being rich doesn't make you a better person, just a richer person. I'm not a religious person, but I remember this story in the bible of this rich man donating money to a church, and pouring a load of money into the pot, although it was a mere fraction of his wealth. Then this poor woman came and put in a single coin, but it was the only coin she had, so apparently it was more charitable.

  32. Re:Pagerank and nothing more by Tristor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly. It has less to do with *how much* you give, and more to do with how much you *give up*. It is less to do with the amount, and more to do with the feeling and meaning behind it. Following that parable in the Bible, the woman gave all she had, 100%, and didn't feel any less for it. The man on the other hand gave only a fraction of his sum total (his being), and did so with the sole intention of *looking* good, but not out of the mindset of *doing* good. It is one of those questions of intent, that have nothing to do with the act in and of itself, but rather the intent and reasoning, if any, behind the act. True charity is both a philisophical and a spiritual thing, and is a rarity on this world. I see more true charity among people who give their skills, their livelihood, and their very existence to the things they love for the benefit of all than somebody who would give up a large fraction of their massive wealth to some foundation with their name all over it. Think of it this way, if you were to be truly charitable, would you throw money at something big and grand with your name plasted on it, or make an anonymous donation of monetary or temporal value to some organization with a dire need and a good goal? In this example, Bill Gates is all well and good to throw money at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, but he is doing it more in the spirit of good PR than anything else. He makes more money off people believing that he gives a rat's ass about the rest of the planet than he would off squirreling everything away. On the other hand, some random person who takes the time out of their life to use the skills they worked very hard to earn to benefit everybody, such as in the case of an open source project, and expects little to no credit in return. Well, that is truly charitable. This is also a part of the reason that OSS takes off like it does. People feel a deep connection to those in the OSS community, because as they give of themselves, they establish bonds with all of those who use that labor of love they worked on. On the other hand, when you are dealing with a huge corporation and it's leader who throws money at some foundation with a grand name and an opaque surface where the true purpose isn't known, well the feelings are completely different.

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