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Adelaide Gets a Taste of Free WiFi

Anonymous Coward writes "Adelaide's Citilan network is being relaunched. Sometime in the last two weeks they decided to open it up for free use to anyone in Adelaide's CBD, pending full commercial launch. Get in and find a hotspot while its hot!"

132 comments

  1. uh-huh. by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first one's free, when you want some more you know where to come.

    Sounds like a pretty sensible promotion.

    Who said crack dealers have nothing to teach service providers?

    1. Re:uh-huh. by mattjb0010 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who said crack dealers have nothing to teach service providers?

      Well they 'aint in it for love.

    2. Re:uh-huh. by antic · · Score: 3, Interesting


      The Adelaide City Council, for all its faults, is desperately trying to lure 18-45s (their own stated demographic, bit broad if you ask me!) into the CBD. They're running a fairly expensive (for a council, anyway) advertising campaign and also have a small subsidised housing project for young employees under a certain threshold.

      Supporting this sort of initiative (Citilan) wouldn't be too stupid in aiding that. At the least, they could offer a free citi-wide intranet with various arts and entertainment projects running.

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    3. Re:uh-huh. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Who said crack dealers have nothing to teach service providers?"

      So... what, any commercial product that offers a free taste of its services is considered crack dealing now? Or should they just make it free even though it costs them money to run?

      I wonder when it became fashionable around here to be a freeloader.

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  2. Adelaide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Adelaide used to host the Australian Grand Prix, but the drivers fell asleep at the wheel when they saw the scenery.

    1. Re:Adelaide by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

      Unlike say, Bahrain, which had wonderful scenery involving a lot of sand. Or Malaysia, where the scenery was wonderful, just obscured by smog. Or Silverstone, which has the ugliest scenery in the world - England, and a whole lot of English people.

      Ok, so I'm being defensive. But Adelaide is actually quite attractive.

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    2. Re:Adelaide by ibentmywookie · · Score: 1

      hahaha, it's funny cos it's true.

      I live there.

      Wait we have the Adelaide hills, hahndorf and... um.. victor harbor.. yeah...

      We've got some good mountain biking trails. Seriously, Adelaide isn't that bad :) Nice place to live, but probably not the nicest tourist spot.

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    3. Re:Adelaide by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Is Adelaide nice to live in? My wife and I are thinking of emigrating to Australia from the USA and we've kind of zeroed in on Adelaide. Just as someplace different than the standard Sydney/Melbourne option. From what I've read it's got a climate very similar to where we live in the USA (the SF Bay Area). Is Adelaide a boring place? Mountain biking trails sound good, we like to do that ....

    4. Re:Adelaide by nri · · Score: 1

      Try Brisbane. I'm in Sydney at the moment but I am looking to move for a better lifestyle for my young family. From what i observe, everyone moves away from Adelaide to either Sydeny or Melbourne for better paying jobs and better careers. Nobody seems to move from Brisbane to Sydney/Melbourne. I t must say something about Brisbane I guess.

      I've personally have had enough of career (eg 8am til 6pm at work etc..) and now want my family to have a better lifestyle.

      Another problem with Sydney is can take upto 1hr to get to the beach cause the road are clogged with traffic. Its pretty over crowed now.

      Also not sure what you do for a job, but mid/hgh level c++ programming roles in Adelaide/Brisbane range from 50-80k, Sydney/Melbourne from 80-120k, but houses in Sydney/Melbourne are basically unafordable on anything under 100k. You'll need 2 incomes, but forget getting your kids into child minding or preschool..

      (btw, I'm not tring for flamebait or piss anyone of here. These are my personal opinions. I do love living in Sydney but I think there is a better lifestyle elsewhere)

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    5. Re:Adelaide by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Thanks very very much for the response. I'm a little confused about your rankings of the cities you mentioned but I think you're saying:

      Pay:

      Sydney/Melbourne > Adelaide/Brisbane

      Liveability:

      Brisbane > Sydney/Melbourne > Adelaide

      Although I'm confused by your comments that everyone moves away from Adelaide to Sydney/Melbourne for higher pay and yet cannot afford a house. Affordability would make Adelaide a more liveable option and yet you say that everyone moves away to the less affordable places. Why?

      Actually Syndey sounds like the SF Bay Area ("silicon valley"). Pay rates are high but housing is nowhere near affordable; the median house price is now $750,000 U.S. or so which is not affordable even for two people each with good jobs. So most people own condos or townhouses (smaller parts of multi-family buildings) or rent apartments.

      Brisbane is not an option I had considered - isn't it in the jungle or something?

      BTW I don't consider your comments to be flamebait. I realize that everyone has a different opinion about different places and I think that's perfectly OK. I'm just trying to hear from locals what the advantages and disadvantages are of different places so my wife and I can make a more informed decision about where to focus our job hunt. Thanks!

    6. Re:Adelaide by nri · · Score: 1

      yep your ranking are the same as mine.

      Brisbane is north eastern Australia (above sydney) a has tropical weather, Adelaide is down south and colder (in winter).

      Adelaide has a smaller job market and thats probably what drives people away.

      Brisbane, while small, seems to be growing and is more diverse

      Adelaide IT jobs are mainly defense related.
      I've included a link to a IT job page which I subscribe to, and i guess influences my opinions.

      Adelaide and Brisbane are very afforadble for housing. 4/5 bedroom and pool for 300-400k or less.

      Some links for you that may interest you...

      local Brisbane newspaper
      http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/

      IT jobs in australia
      http://it.seek.com.au/JobSearch/index.ascx

      and local comuter rail maps
      http://www.railmaps.com.au/brisbane.htm

      I should also disclaim, that I/my wife have no relatives in Adelaide but we do have relatives in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so I am probably biased towards Brisbane.

      anyway happy browsing
      Nick

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    7. Re:Adelaide by sgt_doofey · · Score: 1
      Having lived in Adelaide all my life I would highly recommend it! But of course I can't speak for Brisbane, Sydney or the other cities, and as such am biased towards Adelaide.
      I have been to San Fran and have experienced the weather over there first hand and must say that Adelaide is probably very similar in climate. Hot in Summer, cold in Winter. Probably hotter in summer then SF and colder in winter too, although we left in early November, so didn't experience too much of winter.

      Adelaide is probably a more relaxed city than the others, mainly due to the lack of population, and hence, congestion.
      Public transport is nowhere near as good as Sydney, but seems reasonably adequate as I use it every day.
      Pay is less than Sydney, but living costs are as well.
      The CBD is a square kilometre, so it is easy to walk around town.
      One of the world's best wine regions (The Barossa Valley) only an hour from town. (Have to plug this as my Fiancee is a winemaker there!)

      I'd be more than happy to answer any other questions you might have about Adelaide. See my web page (in my profile) for my e-mail address.

    8. Re:Adelaide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      adelaide has everything the bigger cities have without the negative aspects. 1 million people.. less pollution (noise, air, visual) less of a rat race. more utilitarian laws. great beaches. the adelaide hills. less crime. cheaper housing. yes awesome climate.

    9. Re:Adelaide by boomfart · · Score: 1

      Having lived in Adelaide and Perth I would recomened both ahead of Sydney or Melbourne. Brisbane I have only visited and seems ok if you like tropical (Humid) weather. A friend of a friend moved to Sydney cos he could earn double the Adelaide pay but he is renting at twice the cost of my home loan traveling 2Hrs each day hoping to save enough to build a house further out on land that cost more than my 4 bed house 1/2 hr from city. The climate is too warm in summer for me but most people enjoy it as for winter I haven't felt the need for a jacket for 2 yrs but I don't spend a lot of time outdoors. Try www.realestate.com.au to look at house prices they have a good range in all areas.

    10. Re:Adelaide by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      Adelaide is wonderful, but I doubt if its climate is much like San Fransisco. We don't get much fog, for a start. The climate is apparently Mediterranean - ie, hot, dry summers and mild, dampish winters. The only place I'd even consider moving to is Darwin, but that's only because I liked the lifestyle - the climate sucks, at least during our southern hemisphere summers (it's ok in winter, because it's dryish).

      There's an excellent mountain bike trail, not in Adelaide but a day or so's drive away - the Mawson Trail (well - actually - it starts in Adelaide, but I avoided that bit, because it's a bit steep). Try it. You'll like it. I made some of the maps of it.

      I think Adelaide is generally pretty interesting, but people from Sydney or Melbourne would probably disagree. Fuck 'em. Our cops don't shoot as many people as the Melbourne coppers, and they're _way_ less corrupt than the Sydney cops, so that's got to be a plus.

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    11. Re:Adelaide by ibentmywookie · · Score: 1

      The only major cities in Australia I've been to are Darwin, Adelaide, and Brisbane (going to melbourne for the first time in 3 weeks).

      Now I live in Adelaide, so I'm quite biased I guess. But I've asked some people about why they settled on Adelaide (I considered it a boring place). Generally the feeling is that Adelaide has all the facilities of a big city, but is much smaller and easier to get around. The CBD is very compact and surrounded by park lands. There are lots of cycling tracks suitable for families, etc. One that I like to travel on is the Torrens River bike track, which is very popular. It travels from west beach all the way into the centre of the city and further on.

      There is a mountain biking park called fox creek and has colour coded trails depending on skill. Ive only been there once, but it is very enjoyable. There are a number of cycling groups here that meet and go on rides, bikesa is one example (www.bikesa.asn.au).

      I will probably be looking at moving away because of work (unfortunately), because most engineering/IT work here is defense related, and I don't want to work on those sorts of projects. But if you don't mind, then go for it. Most of my friends who graduated from university are working in defense, and they seem to enjoy it, but it's not for me.

      The bottom line is, it's probably a more relaxed lifestyle and less of a rat race than the bigger cities.

      Brisbane is very nice (if you like tropical weather), but I don't know what it's like to live there. The Gold Coast is only a 1 hour drive away, if you like beaches and touristy kinds of places. I've been to the gold coast 5+ times, and I'm a tad tired of the commercialism. But it does have a very nice relaxed atmosphere.

      Darwin is awful. The weather is just dreadful. It is a tiny tiny town, and it is HOT. I don't mean just hot. It is DAMN HOT. Awful awful awful heat. Yuck. So damn humid. I'll never go back there.

      Ok so Darwin isn't my cup of tea, sorry Darwinites :)

      I guess it's up to you, and what you want. Moving to a new country would be so exciting!

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  3. How will they migrate to commercial by moz25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What kind of fee will they be charging once it's commercial? Also, wouldn't it make sense to require people to register a free account so that the migration will be more structured?

    1. Re:How will they migrate to commercial by micolous · · Score: 1

      I remember there being access availible to Internode customers in some way. It was rather good on the old systems, during Linux.conf.au in 2004, there was free access for confrence attendees. I remember me and some friends sitting down in a café in Rundle Mall having a nice overpriced lunch. Took us some time to find a place where we could eat that had coverage, though.

      Now I have a laptop with a working battery, I might go and use it next time I'm in the city.

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    2. Re:How will they migrate to commercial by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      I believe bandwidth used by internode customers would count towards their ADSL/dialup plans. So far though they haven't charged for usage at all.

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  4. SHANIA TWAIN!!! by jtbauki · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    OMG, you're a slashdotter???!!

    1. Re:SHANIA TWAIN!!! by metricmusic · · Score: 1, Funny

      I doubt she'd be talking crack if she came here. of that sort anyway.

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    2. Re:SHANIA TWAIN!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      OMG, you're a slashdotter???!!

      That don't impress me much.

  5. What is the difference by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hasn't Citilan always been open for free (at least for members of a long list of ISPs including Internode, Adam, Esc.Net, and others)?

    I have used it on several occasions to grab files from the Node mirror instead of having to use dialup. It's even faster than my DSL if you can find a hotspot that isn't heavily used (sitting outside the State Library at 3am helps until you get arrested).

    They are going to close it off soon AFIK - there are too many leechers. There's always a bunch of (no offence, but they are always) asians around some of the more public indoor hotspots (library, museum, etc) that bring desktop PCs, fold out tables and chairs, etc just to leech free Internet for the day. There was even one there that brought his 5.1 surround speakers and the stands for the rear ones were set up behind him - in the middle of they foyer.

    I'm amazed that Citilan is still open to the public, actually - the ISPs are footing the bill and it's free, although I did hear talk that if you use a Node login on it you chew up your Node download quota for the month; but that was just a rumour, I've never heard proof of it.

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    1. Re:What is the difference by fireman+sam · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Off topic - What were you actually doing to get yourself arrested at 3am outside of the State Library? Or do they actually enforce the no loitering laws in Adelaide?

      "Your honour, I wasn't loitering, I was surfing."

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    2. Re:What is the difference by strider44 · · Score: 1

      a question: Is it only the CBD? From what I remember, the adelaide CBD isn't very big at all, only ten or twenty blocks big, and is a bit isolated from the rest of the city.

    3. Re:What is the difference by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      From memory, it's one square mile with parklands surrounding it. I haven't tried getting the internet access though, I'm 10km off and don't have a laptop.

    4. Re:What is the difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Hasn't Citilan always been open for free (at least for members of a long list of ISPs including Internode, Adam, Esc.Net, and others)?

      Yes, yes it has. The difference is currently it is open for anybody, not just account holders of a few ISPs.

      There's always a bunch of (no offence, but they are always) asians around some of the more public indoor hotspots

      Wow, how positively racist, and +4 interesting too.

      I see people all over the place using it, and no more than the usual quota of asian people around adelaide. Seems you've noticed a couple of extreme cases and applied your labels. But, lets be thankful the aboriginies that do nothing but get drunk in the Adelaide park lands don't get enough "spare dollar mate?" donations to buy a new apple powerbook with built in wireless!

      You are right though, they are going to close it off and move to a reasonable subscription service. It is a private service after all. It will be much cheaper than Telstra's wireless hotspots, that's for sure. Damn them for making a buck :)

      I did hear talk that if you use a Node login on it you chew up your Node download quota for the month; but that was just a rumour, I've never heard proof of it.

      At least you admit there is no proof :) They have never put it against your quota. They have said that it will soon come off your quota, but that never happened. It used to be a joint venture and now Agile have completely taken it over and are reworking the authentication and accounting.

    5. Re:What is the difference by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Security guard didn't like us hanging about... not so much arrested as harrassed by security!

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    6. Re:What is the difference by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Wow, how positively racist

      Not meant to be racist (and apologies to anyone who took offence) - I see people all over the place using Citilan as well. It just seems the only ones that I have seen make out camp (with their desktop PCs and fold out tables) in the foyer of the library and around that area happen to be asian :)

      Seems you've noticed a couple of extreme cases and applied your labels

      Not so much a label as an observation. Everyone uses Citilan, but yes I have noticed the extreme cases. The problem for me is that when you want to do something (and are at one of the more public indoor hotspots) there isn't a lot of bandwidth left because of the "campers" who so badly want to leech on the free Internet that they bring their desktop PCs in.

      It does get annoying to see someone quite clearly making camp for the day to abuse the free service. There is only so much bandwidth to go around, and deliberatly going there to use as much of it for free as possible is attrocious; I'd like to be able to log onto my webmail without having to wait 5 minutes for the page to load - is that too much to ask?

      But, lets be thankful the aboriginies that do nothing but get drunk in the Adelaide park lands

      What's wrong with sitting around in the parklands all day drinking? The only people I take issue to there are the ones that try to intimidate you out of money. Half the time they are not even Aboriginal, so it seems you, too, have applied a label :)

      As for them making a buck, it would be nice if the subscription did come off your Internode usage for the month, then I wouldn't need to pay twice :). I think Citilan is great. Admittedly I don't spend much time in the city anymore now that I'm done with uni, but still - nice to be able to jump on the net with friends when you're sitting around bored in a coffee place in Rundle St.

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    7. Re:What is the difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      t does get annoying to see someone quite clearly making camp for the day to abuse the free service. There is only so much bandwidth to go around, and deliberatly going there to use as much of it for free as possible is attrocious; I'd like to be able to log onto my webmail without having to wait 5 minutes for the page to load - is that too much to ask?

      Understandably annoying. Blame goes to the management of the whole thing though... who can blame those for taking advantage of a good thing. Not to mention the various people who actually live in the city and north adelaide, and have taken to using the wireless as their primary internet access. All that student accommodation around Adelaide Uni must be great for the poverty stricken student :)

      Agile/internode are very excited about having ownership of citylan. They have the network to support it too ;)

      Simon Hackett regularly posts in whirlpool forums about internode and agile plans, which currently seems to be regularly embarrassing telstra, along with iinet :D. Check it out if you're interested.

    8. Re:What is the difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get off the lawn you damn kids!

    9. Re:What is the difference by Vombatus · · Score: 1
      Impersonating a pie cart.

      Damn serious offence

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  6. Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll just pull out my trusty laptop and connect to free wifi!

    Wait...will I be able to connect from queensland?

    -pingu

  7. At the risk of being a total dick... by august+sun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    do we really need a story everytime a new city gets free wifi? It was cool and progressive the first dozen times it happened but now it's just about as exciting as reporting on SBC running fiber optic lines in a new area (which is to say, not very)

    1. Re:At the risk of being a total dick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well gosh I hope your only suggesting that this particular class of /. thread need not repeat it self.

      I mean if you extend that to we only want to see a particular calss of /. posts around 10 times, it would be a very quiet place.

      Oh look, yet another nerdy geek builds some Rube Goldberg contraption with a commodity PC, a wireless card, common household bleach and some fencing wire...

      Or wow some piece of MS software has a security hole...

      Or gosh dandy Linux really is better than - that's not a thread we've had a million times is it?

      Oh I get it, we should only have repretive boring stories when they came froma place with a population of 5 million (or some shit hole in the US)....

    2. Re:At the risk of being a total dick... by ishmalius · · Score: 1

      Although it is great, every time that WiFi spreads, I must agree with you. Maybe every rollout might be interesting in some WiFi-oriented journal, but I think that the topic in general is fading as 'news.' Now if Adelaide had city-wide 802.16, then that would be news.

    3. Re:At the risk of being a total dick... by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Sorry it seems you are not a citizen of Australia, if you were you would understand that the story isn't about free wifi in Adelaide. The story is actually about the fact that something has actually happened in Adelaide. You see saying nothing much happens in Adelaide is like saying the hollocast was "pretty bad".

  8. Doh! by Fookin · · Score: 1

    I was so excited, but then I realized there probably wasn't a hotspot in good 'ol Freeport, ME.

    I really hate this town sometimes.

  9. Rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone that used Citilan before it fell into disrepair find it intriguing that the "refreshing process" involves a change in SSID from the fairly neutral "citilan" to "Agile"? And why do they no longer state who the "access partners" are?

    1. Re:Rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      'Citilan' was changed to 'Citylan' because Citibank sent nasty legal letters.

      'Agile' as an SSID is probably because they're handling the hardware; I imagine they'll change it over when people are actually paying money for it.

    2. Re:Rebranded? by NickHydroxide · · Score: 1

      Agile is also the sister company to Internode (one of the ISPs involved with the Citylan project), and is managed by the same person. They're probably trying to get some recognition of the company name while they can.

      And to whoever commented about the tardy rollout of ADSL2+, I suggest they take note of the monopolistic and anti-competitive practices of the nationwide telco, Telstra (as someone posted a link to before). Given the relative youth of consumer broadband in Australia, I applaud Internode's initiative in kickstarting the next generation of broadband connections.

      I also find it somewhat amusing that Adelaide seems to be leading the ADSL2+ movement, given the perception of the city as slow and unimaginative. Personally, I'm looking forward to my 24mbit connection which I should have by the end of the month.

    3. Re:Rebranded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also find it somewhat amusing that Adelaide seems to be leading the ADSL2+ movement, given the perception of the city as slow and unimaginative

      What else is there to do here apart from sit online? Once you've seen it all it doens't really change much or often :)

  10. Security? by jtbauki · · Score: 3, Funny

    Won't identity theft be easier than ever? Now hackers can take down your information 5 miles away. They can just sit near the transmission towers. How can anyone secure their line without using a land line. Any attempt to establish a certain protocol or identity involves transmission of data, which will be intercepted and decrypted. Sure, we can just surf the web. But how about checking our email and posting on slashdot? We need to protect our DATA!

    1. Re:Security? by dnixon112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NEWS FLASH:

      Hackers can already get your information from anywhere in the world!

    2. Re:Security? by OlivierB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well you are right, but I think the gp has a point as well; we should be taking reasonable measures not to expose ourselves to the "bad" guys.
      Making there life a little harder isn't forbidden.

      I have setup a VPN server on my home computer so that when I am travelling or when I connect via an unsecure connection (i.e Starbucks) I can always VPN my way home and not matter about security as much.

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  11. where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It makes very poor manners to name a city without naming the country you're talking about.

    Background on Adelaide in Australia - the one mentioned in the article:
    http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/council/about/c ouncil-history.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide

    1. Re:where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all you need to do is hold your cursor over the citilian network link to see it goes to a .au page

    2. Re:where? by strider44 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why? People do it with American and British cities all the time and it's not considered poor manners. Also, this is a story that will only actually matter to anyone who lives in Adelaide or is going to Adelaide in the near future, so if this is the case it is likely that they would at least know which country Adelaide is in.

      Personally I don't mind at all if they say just the city name if it's in the biggest four or five cities of a major country. I do however mind if there is several cities of the same name, it is a small or obscure city, or they are using abbreviations that noone outside the area knows. (American states anyone?)

    3. Re:where? by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      yes, surely all Slashdot readers are educated enough to recognise the biggest cities in the countries around the world? :)

    4. Re:where? by aybiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only if it's followed by a two letter abbreviation.

      If you said 'Adelaide, NJ', or 'Adelaide, AZ' they'd all think they knew what you were on about even if they didn't.

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    5. Re:where? by david.heyman · · Score: 1

      How about Adelaide, SA? Does that help?

    6. Re:where? by strider44 · · Score: 1

      heh I hate those abbreviated state names. They're good for postage nothing else. On a chat forum with I was talking with some Englishmen and a bit of a variety of Europeans, and some guy came in. We asked him were he was from and he said "WA". Someone asked "Where's that?" and about four people (including me, I was the only Australian who said it though) said "oh it's Western Australia".

      The guy actually had the hide to call us idiots for his ignorance when he actually meant "Washington". Of course with that I assume he meant the state not the city.

      I don't go around saying I'm from "NSW" and noone else should say their abbreviated state names either.

    7. Re:where? by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      can't remember the 2 letter abbreviation for either Moldova or Turks & Caicos for the life of me!

    8. Re:where? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck doesn't know that Adelaide isn't in Australia? Oh that's right, you're American, now it all makes sense. Mind you, I suppose you don't even know where Australia is.

    9. Re:where? by stevejsmith · · Score: 1

      Uh, Moldova is MD...how hard is that to remember?? M is the first letter, D is the start of the emphasized syllable...

    10. Re:where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should, at least there is only one NSW [afaik]. WA is ambiguious.

    11. Re:where? by jam3s · · Score: 0

      Good point, but I live in Sydney and I had to look up a map of Australia to know where it is. How can we expect those from the United States of America to know the location...

    12. Re:where? by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

      Your ignorance is easily explained: "...I live in Sydney..."

      Go and relax by the pewell.

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    13. Re:where? by david.heyman · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I was actually being facetious. In order for it to have any context it would have to be Adelaide, SA, Australia. Heck, i wouldn't have known that Adelaide was in SA if I hadn't just visited Australia and been enjoying Bill Bryson's Down Under. I would have assumed that they were talking about Australia though.

    14. Re:where? by medep · · Score: 1

      why is it, that whenever i go to make a comment, this strider fellow makes exactly the same comment just earlier, and it gets modded 4 or 5? i mean, it's not fair! i have to work! btw, these days i go around saying i'm from nsw just to piss people off ;)

    15. Re:where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do however mind if there is several cities of the same name.....

      You mean like Springfield?

    16. Re:where? by heymr.wilson · · Score: 1

      Apparently not. Geography is just not as important as it used to be. Half of America doesn't even know what the capital of the country is! It is a sad state of affairs, I expected more from the /. ers.

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    17. Re:where? by Moofie · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Nonsense. MD is Maryland, and anybody who suggests otherwise is obviously a terrorist.

      (note: This is a joke.)

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    18. Re:where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's just upset that people have to be remind where this place is...

    19. Re:where? by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 0

      Maldives? :)

  12. Re:free wifi in adelaide.. by camzacid · · Score: 0

    well i have had many a drug bender(cheap Oz's there) and Also seen Pantera live there and got a bass pick in the mosh so dont tell me it aint fun.

  13. CBD by loveboat · · Score: 1

    As the acronym CBD claims, not many residential houses can be find within the wifi coverage. The most would be if they set up in some of the suburbs as well, Glenelg for example. Then you could check your mail at the beach ;)

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  14. Re:only problem is.. by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    actually, it is very flat, oh topographically challenged one

  15. Ben Folds moved there by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    The singer?

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    1. Re:Ben Folds moved there by Joel+Carr · · Score: 1

      > The singer?

      yes

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  16. Agile? Doing citywide wireless? by Talez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the people who brought you "extreme ADSL2+" while only enabling 4 actual exchanges.

    This oughtta be a laugh.

    1. Re:Agile? Doing citywide wireless? by mattjb0010 · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the people who brought you "extreme ADSL2+" while only enabling 4 actual exchanges. This oughtta be a laugh

      Firstly, there are another ~40 planned for 2005, and these are being held up by the evil oligopolistic Telstra.

      Secondly, the wireless points connect via standard ethernet into Agile's backbone network, I believe.

    2. Re:Agile? Doing citywide wireless? by Joel+Carr · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. It's a little disappointing to read, but not at all surprising given Telstra's record. Still, I eagerly hang on to the hope that my exchange will indeed be activated by the end of the month! :-D

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    3. Re:Agile? Doing citywide wireless? by Talez · · Score: 1

      Firstly, there are another ~40 planned for 2005, and these are being held up by the evil oligopolistic Telstra.

      Oh noes! Not Telstra!

      So if Telstra is so evil why are iiNet so far along in their ADSL deployment?

      I'd wager a fifty that its because they get on with the job rather than spouting hot air and bitching about Telstra.

    4. Re:Agile? Doing citywide wireless? by mister_tim · · Score: 1

      iiNet are a public company with lots of capital behind them, therefore lots of money to roll out new equipment across Australia. I believe they are the largest telco/ISP in AUstralia behind Telstra and Optus. Secondly, Internode/Agile were the first to roll out ADSL2+ at all - and I don't think any other ISP has yet enabled ADSL2+ on an exchange. So, while iiNet has made a wide deployment and are offering ADSL2 with 8mbps connection speeds, Internode/Agile are expanding at the pace they can and have ADSL2+ with up to 24mbps connection speeds on some exchanges. I think all ISPs in Australia bitch about Telstra, but both iiNet and Internode are getting on with the job and they're both moving at the speed that their business model allows.

  17. Did they know we have a nude beach ? by anti-NAT · · Score: 2, Funny

    You couldn't see it from the track, however, it isn't all that far away from the CBD - about 1/2 hours drive at "normal" person speed.

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    1. Re:Did they know we have a nude beach ? by cranos · · Score: 1, Funny

      Is that where Alexander Downer goes to relax after a hard day in the fishnets?

  18. Great by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 2, Funny

    The retirement capital of Australia, where most people don't have laptops and they temporarily roll out free Wireless networking. Wonderful.

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    1. Re:Great by cranos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry thats the gold coast. Adelaide is the "Really weird murder" capital of the country.

    2. Re:Great by MDKKnD · · Score: 1

      Hahaha, yeah for some reason here in Adelaide people know us for the weird murders that go on (Bodies in the Barrels - inside a bank ). Ohh well. I'm surprised that this post was actually on Slashdot, I was AMAZED when I saw Adelaide in a slashdot post. Most friends I know in the city go to Adelaide Uni and use their wireless, or they hang out at the state library :P Still, this is probably good advertising for Agile and Internode, hahaha. I love both companies, they've managed to give Adelaide faster ADSL(2+) speeds before most of the rest of Australia. Hell, you could get ADSL2+ out in the coorong (where I used to live) before it was available in the Adelaide CBD, thanks in part to my Mum :P Anyway, there are only a few people that this article would actually affect, and only about 2 of them would read Slashdot, I'm just glad that one of the people affected happens to be a really good friend of mine, so I can now talk to her on MSN even more, hahaha.

    3. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was Brisbane that all the old buggers went to. Kind of like Florida..

    4. Re:Great by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      when you are the City of Churches, it is about 100% guaranteed to have more weird serial killers et. al. isn't it?

    5. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually its the pot capital.

      Well it was while the law was $156 fine for less than ten plants.

  19. Bandwidth theft next problem ? by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    Even if they switch on authenticated Internet access, are they going to have problems with people just using the wireless layer 2 link for trading files between laptops etc.

    Are they using something like 802.1X/LEAP for layer 2 authentication, which would also prevent unauthorised use of the wireless, layer 2 bandwidth itself ?

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    1. Re:Bandwidth theft next problem ? by micolous · · Score: 1

      I think they were using an open network, with a login page the first time you try to use the connection. With Kismet or something similar, you could probably get the login details from another customer, if the page isn't encrypted at all.

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    2. Re:Bandwidth theft next problem ? by BurnFEST · · Score: 1

      It is, with HTTPS. I use it when I'm in for a long bus wait in the middle of the day sometimes.

  20. Not so hot hotspot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Get in and find a hotspot while its hot!"


    Now tell me, how could a hotspot not be hot? Have you ever heard of a cold hotspot? Wouldn't make much sense now would it? Damn slashdot, no good for my anger management process.
  21. this is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really great. Hopefully many other cities will follow soon.

  22. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Adelaide has a CBD?

    1. Re:Wait... by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      Yep. Never been to Kansas City or St Louis for examples, have you? :)

  23. Uhh.. who FUCKING cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ben Folds SUCKS

    1. Re:Uhh.. who FUCKING cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's the guy with the dwarves fetish right?

  24. He's left now by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

    But he did write a song about it, called 'Adelaide'. He now lives in Nashville.

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  25. My Home Town!! by CypherOz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Adelaide is a fantastic city! Surrounded by park lands - great place to work and live. Great weather, wine beaches, food, dining entertainment, and free wireless!

    Also: Wikipedia on Adelaide

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    1. Re:My Home Town!! by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      And even better, it's the next major city down the road from Perth... my home town!

      (For overseas readers unfamiliar with Australia... Quote from Pacific Island Travel: Curving around the Great Australian Bight, the route across the Nullarbor is legendary and one of Australia's great road journeys. It is more than 2700km from Perth to Adelaide, about the same as the distance from London to Moscow.)

      Just remember to pack some interesting reading material.

    2. Re:My Home Town!! by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Adelaide is a fantastic city! Surrounded by park lands - great place to work and live."

      Great place to visit, too. I spent a couple of weeks there. It was my first trip outside of the States, and I really enjoyed myself. Nice place, friendly people, even got to hold a Koala at a nearby zoo! (Kangaroos are bastards, though!)

      One of the best trips I ever took. :)

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    3. Re:My Home Town!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the scenery is just red dust and the occasional dry tree.

      In Adelaide our next major city is Melbourne which is 735km away.

    4. Re:My Home Town!! by mister_tim · · Score: 1

      And the Central markets are the bets in Australia, if not the biggest. And hey - you can get Citilan reception in the T-Bar and Lucias (great Italian cafe) in the markets. Fantastic!

    5. Re:My Home Town!! by ibentmywookie · · Score: 1

      Wow I didn't know you could get wireless in the markets, I'm taking my laptop next time :) Sit in bean bar with a coffee and surf the web, yum.

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    6. Re:My Home Town!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More facts about Adelaide:
      1. Adelaide is a city.
      2. Adelaide fights ALL the time.
      3. The purpose of Adelaide is to flip out and kill people.

      Adelaide can kill anyone it wants! Adelaideans cut off heads ALL the time and doesn't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this Australian from Adelaide who was eating shrimp at a barbie. And when some dude dropped a spoon he killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a guy from Adelaide totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.

      And that's what I call REAL ULTIMATE POWER! Mate!

  26. Re:only problem is.. by jokkebk · · Score: 1

    actually, it is very flat, oh topographically challenged one

    Except, for the hills, of course. :)

    Just hope that they don't install any hotspots on the hills, we won't want to have another great bush fire in there (fifth image from top left corner)!

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  27. For god's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adelaide has a population of a million people. American and British posters do this all the time with cities of comparable size.

  28. Parent is correct!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot should not post stories about places outside America. Its an American site FFS!

    And those ozzies didnt support us in Iraq so they deserve our attention even less. Anything about them is a waste of bandwidth.

    1. Re:Parent is correct!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Australian troops did fight in Iraq. (Against popular opinion.) The govt there is right up Bush's **se.

    2. Re:Parent is correct!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get you facts right Austrailia is actually increasing it's commitment of troops to Iraq to replace troops pulled out by other countries. John Howard (our Prime Minister) is so far up GWBs ass he can touch Tony Blairs feet.

  29. Adelaide CBD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when has Adelaide had a CBD? They are providing free Internet access to a location that doesn't even exist!

    Next: 'Fictional island on TV series LOST gets free WiFi'

  30. Re:free wifi in adelaide.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a nut

  31. Re: Adelaide is a hole. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adelaide's a hole anyway. You only need to stop for a second and realise that Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth are the places to be. They've had free Wi-Fi for a long time now.

    I'm surprised this news story even made it on /.

  32. Re:only problem is.. by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

    but them there hills just way out in one corner, not like Sydney, or Melbourne, etc.... :-) rest is, well.. flat!

  33. Adelaide is boring by ewe2 · · Score: 1

    This has to be the saddest attempt at whipping up tourist enthusiasm...apart from Ben Fold's song...

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    1. Re:Adelaide is boring by mysticwhiskey · · Score: 1

      My favourite is when Ben Folds, having endured the oft-asked question by other Australians "Don't you get sick of how boring Adelaide is?" replied "Australia is the Adelaide of the world".

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  34. Homestar Runner... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 1

    Tell Adelaide that the poached eggs were tremendeous.

    Forever young,
    Chester Elegante

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  35. Well, if the wireless layer is open, by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    I think they were using an open network, with a login page the first time you try to use the connection.

    That's probably only the case if you enable DHCP, and then aquire an IP address from the Citylan network.

    My question is more about the idea of running your own IP subnet over the same wireless LAN, by statically configuring IP addresses on the interfaces of the devices that you want to communicate. In this sense, you aren't stealing Internet bandwidth, you're stealing wireless bandwidth. If it is an open network, with an SSID of "Agile" or something similar, then using the wireless network for your own IP networking purposes is likely to be easily possible. Of course, you'll also be consuming bandwidth that the legitimate wireless Internet users would also want to be using.

    The only way they could prevent that sort of thing happening is to also enable authentication at layer 2, in other words, prevent use of the wireless LAN unless you're a known and authenticated use. Even then on a wireless network, that can be a bit hard, because you can't really disable the "port" that the device is attached to, as, of course ports don't exist, unlike on ethernet switches.

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    1. Re:Well, if the wireless layer is open, by micolous · · Score: 1

      Ah, I understand what you're getting at now, and it's rather selfish of those people.

      What's wrong with setting up your own Ad-Hoc network or using a small USB powered AP? Honestly...

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    2. Re:Well, if the wireless layer is open, by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

      Ah, I understand what you're getting at now, and it's rather selfish of those people.

      I certainly agree it's selfish, obviously that doesn't mean people won't try to do it :-). That being said, if people, such as Agile, make a useful and convenient resource freely and easily available, I think it's fairly likely that people will try use it. It's a bit like a having a tap available in a public park. Even if it is obviously not a drinking fountain, most people will probably have no problems with taking a drink from it, because it is so easily available.

      What's wrong with setting up your own Ad-Hoc network or using a small USB powered AP? Honestly...

      Nothing wrong with doing it, no where near as easy as using wireless bandwidth that is already there and available :-)

      I must admit I haven't got much practicle experience with wireless stuff, so I'm theorising about these problems.

      If you were to setup your own AP, is it easy to select which AP you want to use ? In other words, would it be hard to avoid using the Citylan APs, possibly when they have a stronger signal strength than your AP ? I've heard something about wireless channels, and how APs can be configured to only use certain ones. Do you happen to know if the Citylan APs use selected and well known channels, and therefore you could setup your own AP on different one(s) ? If the Citylan APs are using all channels, and there isn't an easy or convenient way of selecting which AP you can use, then to me that sounds a bit selfish on the Citylan part. It would mean that althought the 802.11 spectrum is shared and unlicensed, the Citylan people have configured their equipment as though it is exclusively theirs.

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    3. Re:Well, if the wireless layer is open, by micolous · · Score: 1

      IIRC, Agile/Citilan APs only use one channel. In the city, there's a bunch of other APs including a competing Telstra Bigpond service, and other buisnesses in Adelaide that either use wireless internally or for their customers (like at internet cafés). Sitting near the west end of Rundle Mall, which is the main shopping and café street in Adelaide, I picked up about five or six different networks. The only problem I can see is if you get a serious amount of traffic happening, in which case the airstream becomes crowded. How that turns out in practice I'm not entirely sure.

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  36. Bean Bar by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

    Q: How good is that place?
    A: Very very good.

    Beats the hell out of Cibo, and waaay better than Gloria Jeans/Hudsons/whatever.

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  37. ilesansfil.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ilesansfil.org

  38. I picked the right week to go to Adelaide! by pbooktebo · · Score: 1

    I'm just about to leave and meet my wife, who's working at the Glass Arts Society international conference there.

    I had debated bringing my laptop, but now I know I can get wireless it's a cinch. I can spend all my time on Slashdot!

  39. Adelaide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell Anna Sawley that I'm thinking about her.

  40. never... by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

    has a commment moderation been more appropriate.

  41. MuniComp by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Maybe this municipal initiative will jumpstart the competition that will get telecomcos to offer a commercial service without public subsidy. Before the telecomcos outlaw such competition altogether, so they can concentrate on only the easiset, most profitable market segments, and leave the rest of us behind.

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  42. city of churches - and wifi by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

    Excellent, I'll be in Adelaide for work shortly with my PowerBook and WoW in tow, I can save the hotel dial up bills and just use free wireless :)

    having been to Adelaide before, there's not a whole heap to do after hours... I've been present for drinking the Colonel Light dry once already, and casinos aren't really that entertaining any more.

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