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Morse Code Faster Than SMS

mentalflossboy writes "Engadget is reporting that Morse Code is actually faster than text messaging. According to the article, 93 year old Gordon Hill transmitted a message faster than 13 year old Brittany Devlin, despite Devlin's 'liberal use of texting slang.' And the fabulous quote they were they sending: 'Hey, girlfriend, you can text all your best pals to tell them where you are going and what you are wearing.'"

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  1. Newsflash! by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Newsflash:

    Voice is faster then either Text Messaging or Morse Code, it's already included with your phone plan, and it doesn't make you look like an idiot.

    1. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, it just makes you sound like one. :P

      Seriously, I'd rather be on a bus full of txters than people phoning.

    2. Re:Newsflash! by wahsapa · · Score: 5, Funny

      NEWSFLASH:

      Telepathy faster than speech... however it DOES make you look like an idiot

    3. Re:Newsflash! by SithGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except for the fact that most plans charge per text message, making it more expensive even if by some chance you have run out of minutes

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    4. Re:Newsflash! by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I assume from your post that you've never tried to call someone from a concert or a party (hey this is /. after all) where there's loud music. There really are times when you can't hear shit.

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    5. Re:Newsflash! by DustyShadow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      - Texting is better when I'm in a situation where I don't want others to know what I'm talking about.

      - Texting is better when I need to tell someone something but I don't want to have to have a full conversation with them.

      - Since I travel a lot, I love using Google text (46645) when I'm looking for something like a restaraunt in the area

      - Texting saves minutes.

    6. Re:Newsflash! by zeromemory · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it doesn't make you look like an idiot

      Newsflash:

      Most people would rather have you text than yap loudly on the phone in public places.

      Don't get me wrong, voice chat is usually more efficient, but text messaging is a whole lot more discreet. My friends and I use it to schedule study-groups - that way, we can notify someone of a meeting later that day while they're still in class.

    7. Re:Newsflash! by PsychicX · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other news, some bratty teenager just got owned by somebody 80 years her elder.

    8. Re:Newsflash! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Texting is asynchronous though.

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    9. Re:Newsflash! by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I assume from your post that you are unaware that exposure to loud music causes hearing loss. I would put your problem in the "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" category.

    10. Re:Newsflash! by Jozer99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So true. I'm in a band, which means lots of concerts. At 100 dB+, I don't want to call anyone, or even take my protective earplugs out for that matter (call me a sissy, but I will be insulting you in ten years, but you won't hear it, or much of anything). Text messaging is a great way to contact people to tell them when our set it, tell people that to bring a forgotten cable or instrument, or even in some cases find out WHERE THE #$%#$ our base player is. Other than that, I usually use the phone for what it is meant for, talking into and absorbing radiation from.

    11. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's mainly useful for: "We're leaving, where the hell are you?"

    12. Re:Newsflash! by jedrek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having to look at my phone, punch in three numbers, put it back up at my ear, listen, pull it away, punch in three more, etc, when someone who "refuses to text" is dictating me a phone number doesn't make me look like an idiot at all though, right?

      Or when they want me to write down a long email/web/physical address.

      Good stuff, ludites.

    13. Re:Newsflash! by kaalamaadan · · Score: 4, Funny
      The best lightbulb joke:

      A: One

      Q: How many psychics does it take to change a lightbulb?

    14. Re:Newsflash! by nate+nice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What plan do you have? Text Messaging always costs a lot more than talking. Not to mention many plans have free weekend talking where as the text message will still cost way too much for using the exact same technology that simply has a branded name to trick consumers into paying more.

      It does however provide a nice service if in a bar and want to let someone know where you are. Then again, you could always call them first but that's not always possible for various reasons.

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    15. Re:Newsflash! by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm. Most bands I've been in had bass players. I'd be interested to see your base player.

      All your base are belong to us?

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    16. Re:Newsflash! by Xugumad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Texting is great for either messages that require no response ("I'll be in the pub from 6, feel free to join me", "It's 's birthday on Friday, thought you might want a reminder", "Arrrghh I hate Mondays/my boss/computers/the weather", etc.), or where a response is not time critical, and likely to be delayed ("Can you tell me ", "Are you free next week sometime"), this sort of thing.

      In particular, you don't have to interrupt the other person to get your message across. I may notice a message arriving, and read it at the time, or I may leave it until I'm less busy, or more frequently I'll just not notice for a few hours. On the other hand, if someone calls me, I have to stop what I'm doing, respond to them, then go back to what I'm doing.

    17. Re:Newsflash! by ZiakII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But I'd bet you a beer that 95% of Text Messages are sent simply because it's trendy.

      nah, text messaging was so popular back in High School (2 years ago) just due to the fact you could send a message nice and stealthy and not make it obvious what you where doing the recipient(s) of the message could also very easily check it when they could (i.e. when the teacher's back was turned or when they where not paying attention)

    18. Re:Newsflash! by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, if you are in a meeting futzing with the keypad on your phone, you pretty much look like an asshole.

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    19. Re:Newsflash! by magefile · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you familiar with etymotics plugs? They probably wouldn't be good for using a cell phone, but (in theory) you can often talk to people even when you have them in and there's loud music in the background.

    20. Re:Newsflash! by Unknown+Lamer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bullshit. I pay $10 a month for unlimited SMS. And I live in the US.

      You can get 1000 for $7 from T-Mobile, $9 from Cingular. Verizon charges something like $20 a month for that (disclaimer: it's been a year since I had Verizon so they may have changed the prices now). You really only get screwed on SMS/data if you use Verizon.

      And overage is usually $.05 per message ($.10 for Cingular, but incoming is free...so it balances out). That's way less than the $.40 per minute I pay for voice overage. For the same price, I could send eight text messages. You can say a lot in 1280 characters.

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    21. Re:Newsflash! by droopus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That joke reminded me of one of life's great mysteries:

      As spring is in full bloom, along come the requisite roadside signs advertising upcoming "psychic fairs," and I always wondered, why are the signs neccessary? Shouldn't they just, kinda, know?

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    22. Re:Newsflash! by Atzanteol · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good thing you didn't crank it to 11...

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    23. Re:Newsflash! by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That makes me wonder...how to international SMS rates stack up against voice rates?

    24. Re:Newsflash! by Igmuth · · Score: 2

      Roaming charges? Those still exist?

    25. Re:Newsflash! by tftp · · Score: 3, Funny

      You probably erroneously think that golf is an outdoors activity. But on my planet golf is played indoors, in a small room with hundreds of players standing as close to each other as possible, so close that it's a challenge even to reach for your cell phone! I can completely understand the grandparent's concern, he is probably from my planet too :-)

    26. Re:Newsflash! by Delita · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148647&cid=124 60714

      That's the URL to your post. Sometimes, sending text is considerably faster than voice, and tone doesn't matter. Particularly when it comes to /. URLs. How exactly is someone supposed to make sense of "ech tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot dot org slash" ?

  2. First message? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What hath Woz wrought?

  3. So did he ... by bigjocker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get a first post?

    beeeeep beep beep beeeeep ....

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  4. Sell me an open phone by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is another reason I would like to someday see "open" phones. I always thought it would be great to build protocols on top of the phone system (e.g. if your phone and your friend's phone both have some sort of GPG extension installed, then go ahead and encrypt end-to-end). But this article shows that the possibilities for innovation (if you can call Morse code an innovation ;-) even extend to UIs. If we had open phones, then within a few minutes of this article, some people would add a morse input interface to the text entry part of their phone. And when you think about it, it does seem pretty ridiculous that a handful of companies could possibly come up with whatever UI happens to be the best possible.

    Electronics companies, go on making the hardware. But let us screw around with the software. If you remember a little something called "the internet" you'll realize that there are a hell of a lot of good ideas out there (as well as a hell of a lot of really dumb ones, but let's not talk about that).

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    1. Re:Sell me an open phone by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most phones with Java support M2M, so you could install a Java app on both phones and communicate that way.

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    2. Re:Sell me an open phone by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or they could use the current system where 1 is . 2 is dash and 3 is a space.

      Automatically translate it and you've just added support.

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  5. Sweet by gordgekko · · Score: 4, Funny

    A phone with only dot and dash buttons!

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    1. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that's one too many.

  6. I think the US Navy stopped training by geomon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But is Morse proficiency still required for amatuer radio licensing?

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    1. Re:I think the US Navy stopped training by Kaimelar · · Score: 5, Informative
      But is Morse proficiency still required for amatuer radio licensing?

      For the Technician class license (the lowest one), no. For others (Technician Plus, General, Extra) there are still Morse code tests. Test requirements start at 5 WPM, if memory serves.

      More info at http://www.arrl.org/

      Damn, now you've got me wanting to order some study materials and upgrade my license, which I've been meaning to do for years . . . plus I could finally use the "use the keyboard LEDs to show data in Morse code" trick.

    2. Re:I think the US Navy stopped training by erick99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Starts and ends at 5wpm. There is only one code test now. The 13 and 20 wpm tests were eliminated in favor of a single 5wpm test (in the United States.)

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    3. Re:I think the US Navy stopped training by chewie37 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Went through USN Radioman "A" school in the spring of '94. No Morse training at that point; can't imagine that the Navy has gotten a wild hair and decided to reintroduce it now.

    4. Re:I think the US Navy stopped training by SuperQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The president of the U of MN ham club (well.. former pres now) would listen to CD's while walking around campus with CW encoded at 45+wpm. The guy is amazing for field day.. we were listening to a pileup of 3 CW signals, and he could easily pick out the one he wanted and just write it as it came in. This isn't a crusty old guy either.. just your average EE grad student age.

      -KC0NBY

  7. Well... by fitten · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a touch typist and what I think just goes to my hands. It's actually harder (and takes longer) for me to type "u" to mean "you" than it does to type "you" because I have to throw my brain into idiot mode and override my normal typing skills to get idiot-speak onto the screen.

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      y how dear u say dat im rel smrt an im onlee 15 so bak of

    2. Re:Well... by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If your phone has it, which it should, use the T9 input method. It predicts fairly accurately what word you want to type when pressing keys. For example, to type the word "This" you would simply press 8447 on your phone and it predicts you meant "This". However, if you were to use standard text messaging you would have to do this:

      844,4447777
      T h i s

      Where , is a one second pause to wait for the cursor to return so you can type the next letter. Although T9 is not as fast as touch typing (I normally use Dvorak), I'm able to type fast enough on my phone to compose a paragraph or so to e-mail within a few minutes.

      In the future, I would like to seem them include accelerometers on cellphones as a standard input devices. With such a device and maybe just a few buttons, you could program gestures to represent words so that you could type incredibly fast.

  8. I'm sold on this idea ! by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 5, Funny

    After I learn morse code I'll have exactly zero friends to morse with, sort of like my current contact list.

    1. Re:I'm sold on this idea ! by jerometremblay · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You could use morse only for input, the phone can easily convert it to text and display it as a normal text message.

      It might even be a good idea.

    2. Re:I'm sold on this idea ! by Odocoileus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It might also be a good idea to use voice for the morse code entry. 'wee' could be short, and 'ooo' could be long. My 3 year old son would love it.

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  9. Well of course by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    93 year old Gordon Hill transmitted a message faster than 13 year old Brittany

    Parkinson's disease helps...

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    1. Re:Well of course by citking · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Morse code takes way more talent than I've got. I give the guy props.

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    2. Re:Well of course by geomon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Parkinson's disease helps...

      I hhhaavvvee PPPParrrkkiinnnsonnnnsss, yyyyouuu innnnseennnssssitiiivvee cccllllooddd!!!!

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    3. Re:Well of course by jamesangel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats the point, of course. This guy probably had military training of some sort, like my grandfather. When you are drilled in something so hard, you aren't going to lose it. On the other hand, very few teenage girls are going to be prepared to go through RAF Wireless Operator training in order to send messages to their friends.

  10. Not surprising by Coopjust · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't write TXT messages for my life. It takes me a 1/2 hour because I'm a spaz and can barely operate my phone :P

  11. Misleading article.. by peculiarmethod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I feel jipped. I can't find what the 93-yr old was wearing ANYWHERE in tfarticle.

    Aside from that, this doesnt suprise me, as the bottleneck was not the tech itself, but the input methods. And having 3 or 4 letters per key is NOT efficient.

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    1. Re:Misleading article.. by Dolda2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And having 3 or 4 letters per key is NOT efficient.
      You mean unlike morse, which has all letters on the same key? Or unlike a computer keyboard, which just has a single letter per key?
  12. Translated by citking · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Sup g/f? U can txt all ur homies 2 tell dem wats da haps and wut u waring"

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    1. Re:Translated by Sweetshark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the ham op did send:
      YL, QSP to best OMs ur QTH es rig.
      And people wonder why he is faster ....

    2. Re:Translated by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Sup g/f? U can txt all ur homies 2 tell dem wats da haps and wut u waring"

      I find it funny that when somebody types like that, they're considered an idiot. But when a person can't read a message that simple, it's because they're too smart.

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  13. The young and the restless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, a 93 year old morse code veteran beat a 13 year old novice-at-typing child? Wow...good story!

    In other, seemingly unrelated news: Big marbles are larger than small ones.

  14. Allow me to be the first to say by Brento · · Score: 5, Funny

    -.. ..- .... .-.-.-

    (Damn Slashdot's filters. Telling me to use less junk characters. Morse code isn't junk! It's top quality characters!)

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    1. Re:Allow me to be the first to say by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 2, Funny

      It took me hours to figure out how to post ASCII code to slashdot.

    2. Re:Allow me to be the first to say by zoloto · · Score: 3, Informative
      Quote:
      -.. ..- .... .-.-.-
      DUH. (pretty cool eh?)

      Morse Code Translator
  15. Morse IS fast by f8ejf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Starting from scratch, one can reach over 20 words per minute solid copy in a matter of months, with only, say, an hour of regular training every day. 20 wpm isn't considered particularly fast amongst morse code operator: the EHSC for example requires its members to copy 60 wpm for 30 minutes. While this is at the extreme end of the spectrum, 20 wpm is attainable by anybody with a little patience and time.

    Go here and try it out yourself, over the internet. You'll see 20 wpm is waaay faster than any SMS messaging.

    1. Re:Morse IS fast by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are telling it exactly:
      20 WPM isnt exactly fast (absolutely), and it requires months of training to get there...

      Morse can be fucking fast, but only of you have a) the talent (some people like me never get it) and b) spend a good part of your life into perfecting it.

      I had morse (as a basic) when i was in the army, and i just didnt get it right. But some of the older guys there (who started in the 50s or 60s) were faster than i could type at that point.

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  16. Re:ewww by nxtw · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Every time there's an article related to cell phone technology, trolls like these get modded Insightful. Simple phones still exist, and cell phone companies will continue to try to find more ways to make money. However, that doesn't mean you have to give them more money; most plans are still voice-only. While you may not find some features useful, others will.

    Also, text messaging is *extremely* convenient at certain times.

  17. Calculating it... by thrill12 · · Score: 3, Informative

    it seems that while SMS is shorter:
    hey gf u can txt ur best pals 2 tel them wot u r doing, where ur going and wot u r wearing
    SMS-TAP:443399#4333#222266#8998#88777#7223377778#2 #833555#844336#96668#88#777#3666444664#11#94433777 33#88777#4666444664#2663#96668#88#777#933277744466 41

    Compared to:

    Hey, girlfriend, you can text all your best pals to tell them where you are going and what you are wearing. (translate that there - lameness filter ;)

    Morsecode is simply much more simpler to enter - only 3 different possible entrypoints opposed to 10-11 for SMS...

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  18. Dit dit dit Dah dah Dit dit dit by Guyle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone else ever tried to tell someone that the beeping that their Nokia phone makes when they receive a text message is Morse code for SMS? I have yet to meet a single person who's known that. I swear, Morse code is a dying language that will soon go the way of languages such as Latin and Aramaic - famous, scholarly, the old guys like it, but no one else gives a crap.

    1. Re:Dit dit dit Dah dah Dit dit dit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you know that Nokia almost got into trouble because of that? The signal resembles SOS (since O is --- and M is --) and since morse code for SOS sent by any means is still a distress call authorities were concerned that it might result in accidental false distress calls or real distress calls being ignored (having such a phone on the bridge of a ferry would be a very bad idea).

    2. Re:Dit dit dit Dah dah Dit dit dit by jdigriz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So that's what's sending CW (yes, hams call Morse code CW for Continuous Wave). I hear that in the cube farm where I work and I'm constantly wondering what luser can't send SOS properly. =)

      For the non Morse literate, M is two dahs, and O is 3.

    3. Re:Dit dit dit Dah dah Dit dit dit by RustNeverSleeps · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I haven't heard it for a while, but the Nokia phones used to also have a ringtone which sent morse code for "Connecting People." It amused me, because I knew that 99.99% of the people using that ring just thought it was a bunch of interesting sounding beeps.

  19. A radio operator I knew had an interesting idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On some Nokia phones a ring signal for messages is the morse code for SMS, that is:
    ... -- ...

    The radio operator I knew said that one killer feature for him would be if the phone instead of that could play the whole message in morse code when it came - no need to pick up the phone to see it, you could just hear the message (and obviously annoy everybody else).

  20. Old against young by northcat · · Score: 2, Funny

    This wasn't morse code against sms. This was the older generation (93 year old) against the younger generation (13 year old). And the younger generation sucks. Although I'm sure that even at the same age, a person using morse code can beat a person using sms.

  21. Don't tell me.... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....and Gordon Hill dropped dead from exhaustion right after he was done :)

    BTW, if you think that's a nasty comment, you really don't get the 'quote'

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  22. The story omitted the important fact that... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...many mobile phones already come with Morse support. Just dial the person you want. Most phones already have the Morse protocol activated at this point so you can launch right into it. To send someone a dot say "DIT" into the microphone. To send a dash say "DAH". Remember to put short spaces between your words. For example if you're having an emergency you can say DIT-DIT-DIT DAH-DAH-DAH DIT-DIT-DIT. With a little practice you'll find that this is much faster than texting, something you'll appreciate if you are ever in a real emergency.

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  23. history.. by Kaisum · · Score: 2, Funny

    At his success, Gordon started dancing around and waving the apparatus screaming, "This is what god hath wrought, bitch." he then proceeded to throw the telegraph at the insolent child but was taken down by spectators.

  24. Yeah, but does this include T9 input? by Smiffa2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find T9 predictive input input a real help, much quicker than even the folks that use "u", "m8" and other abbreviations.

    Still annoys me when people (really had to concentrate and not type "ppl" then) try to use SMS to see if I want to go for a beer tho... I always end up calling 'em, it's far cheaper and quicker. Texts seem so impersonal sometimes too...

  25. Re:Phone? by twostar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Absolutley, I know a Ham that is "down" to 60 wpm with morse code after peaking 100+ while serving with the Navy. I've seen this guy decode and he's faster and more accurate then the computers we had doing the same thing.

    Now I just need to go get a slow 5 wpm to upgrade my license.

  26. Re:Newsflash! - flirting by vlauria · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's also good for flirting with the opposite sex, but then again, this is /.

  27. Not for real men! by Chemisor · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Texting is better when I'm in a situation where I
    > don't want others to know what I'm talking about.

    Real men speak Klingon for this purpose.

    > Texting is better when I need to tell someone
    > something but I don't want to have to have a full
    > conversation with them.

    So call them, say it, and hang up. If it's important, they'll call back and use up their minutes.

    > I love using Google text (46645) when I'm
    > looking for something like a restaraunt

    Real men aren't afraid of asking for directions.

    > Texting saves minutes.

    Sounds like you need to work on your words per minute. Some people speak very slowly at as little as 15 wpm. With a little practice you can work up to 175 wpm. Not only will that save you valuable minutes (although real men buy unlimited calling plans), but it works as an excellent device for winning arguments. Just imagine, being able to say ten words for each one your opponent utters! He'll never be able to come up with a counter argument before you completely devastate him with an astounding verbal barrage and move through seven topics before he gathers enough wits to reply to the first one. If he tries, just sneer and invoke the three-second rule.

    Did I mention that women are really impressed by verbal prowess? Typing up these voluminous Slashdot comments is gonna pay off today!

    1. Re:Not for real men! by Xzzy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm a guy, and I must admit I'm kinda turned on.

      rowr.

    2. Re:Not for real men! by Yakman · · Score: 2, Informative

      WOW! What kind of cool plan do you have that you get free minutes if you don't initiate the call? I need to be on that one because neither Cingular nor T-mobile have that plan.

      On any mobile phone plan in just about any country outside the US you don't pay for incoming calls, only outgoing. Paying for incoming calls would be stupud, because you don't have any control over whether someone calls you or not - so why should you pay for it?

    3. Re:Not for real men! by fbjon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Turd Of Shit phones"?

      Anyway, shouldn't you people complain about that crap service, I mean, I don't pay for any kind of incoming thing, no matter what it is. And no, calling isn't expensive either. Seems like everybody got used to it, and the operators are now getting away with it.

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  28. Re:Phone? by Pyroja · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think so. C'mon, think about it. This guy has ben doing Morse code since before you were born. What gives you the slightest hint that you could punch out a message faster with your thumbs? Have you ever seen these guys work? Suffice it to say... Yes, I am telling you he could code faster than you with your thumb keyboard. [Be Free.]

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  29. Re:ewww by austad · · Score: 2, Funny

    -pulls AC aside
    Look man, people are talking. I know you like your phone and everything, but... It's kind of a bit dated. It's been 29 years, it's time for you and your giant bag phone part ways. I know it will be tough, but we can get you a man purse to put your new one in. Then people will stop talking about you behind your back.

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  30. Well Duh! by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Funny
    I just read my spouse the headline to this story

    "Well Duhh!", she replies

    "No Duhh Duhh Dit Dit Duhh Duhhh"

    <thump>

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  31. Already done in Perl by csmacd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.freshports.org/converters/p5-Convert-Mo rse/

    Perl module to convert to and from morse. Now for that 'open' phone that could run perl...

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  32. Ask and ye shall receive by pv2b · · Score: 2, Funny
  33. This is what the phrase sounds like in morse code. by Palal · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  34. are you sure the message wasn't... by cataBob · · Score: 2, Funny

    Be sure to drink your Ovaltine?

  35. Re:ewww by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What in the hell are you talking about? I'm reading (and writing) this post on my mobile, a little bedtime reading. Using WiFi to access broadband, the phone company isn't getting a penny from me.

    When I got out of the bar tonight (where there is no reception), my phone picked up a text message from a friend who's place was on the way home from me, so I was able to pop in and say hi, then watch a movie with her. I was also able to quickly read the message and drop the phone back into my pocket in the street. Had I got an answer phone message, I would had to hold the phone up to my ear, making me a prime target for thiefs, especially as I was wandering alone late on a Friday night in this city that my nick aludes to. Otherwise, I would have just gone straight home and watched a little tv on my own. I'd say that was a result.

    The night out was arranged by email, and I got notified of a slight last minute change of plans via a group text. For someone who actually has a social life, text and other gadgets are really useful. I'm a bloke, I don't chat on the phone, nor do I chat on text. Like almost every other man in the western world I use these things to arrange real-life meetings!

    Yes, there are stupid people out there spending money on type-0 midi files, backgrounds and other such crap. But these same folk also spend money on silly things like MSN backgrounds, stupid rubber wrist bands and lots of other bullshit. Why blame the technology?

    As for speed, well with the qwerty keyboard and predictive text, my speed would definitely be on a par with the morse guy. As someone who doesn't touchtype on a computer, I can rattle messages off just fast as I could on a regular keyboard. Granted, using a numeric keypad is lame for text entry, shit you could get crappy "organizers" (name & number) in the late eighties that used the same mechanism. But for the geek, there are some really useful and productive phones out there. I've got VNC and SSH on this, do the math.

  36. Re:Phone? by tftp · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I was building such keyers (with SN74 logic, of course) one after another after another, because my friends always wanted one... at the end I built quite a nice keyer for myself and it stayed with me longer than usual.

    The trick is that it's easier to transmit the code with a modern keyer - easier than typing, probably. Your hand is completely relaxed, and you only use the thumb and the index finger. The keyer does most of the work - but you must hear what it does, and change the position of the paddle as needed. You do it, in fact, predictively - and it is extremely easy after some practice (a few contests will do it for life :-)

    Compared to that, cell phone keyboards are awful. I completely and totally refuse to participate in texting, unless it's unavoidable.

  37. prisoner's dilemma's in text messaging by jesterzog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What plan do you have? Text Messaging always costs a lot more than talking. Not to mention many plans have free weekend talking where as the text message will still cost way too much for using the exact same technology that simply has a branded name to trick consumers into paying more.

    I'm in New Zealand and I don't use my phone much, so it suits me to be on a prepay plan. From what I understand, NZ has one of the most expensive mobile phone industries in the world. (Perhaps it's lack of competition, since there's only Vodafone and Telecom competing.)

    Text is nearly always cheaper here than voice, especially on prepay plans. At least on my plan, though, there's something similar to a prisoner's dilemma going on with it.

    On off-peak rates, for instance, I have an option of calling someone for a minute (49 cents minimum), or sending a text message (20 cents). In the latter case, it's more likely that I'll send a couple, but it's still only 40 cents so I save money. Meanwhile, the person with whom I'm corresponding will reply with at least one, possibly two.

    Therefore in nearly any thumb-killing text conversation that's worth perhaps a 30 second phone call at best, Vodafone is likely to make between 60 and 80 cents, yet neither person pays for the cost of an entire 1 minute call.

    Maybe one day I'll have more money to squander and get a better plan, but I'd just as soon throw away my phone. It's helpful to have around sometimes so that people can get hold of me however.

  38. Re:SMS is perfect for: by NateTech · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who the hell numbers their trains with six digits?!

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