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SEC Investigating SCO?

Udo Schmitz writes "As Groklaw reports, the SCO Group stated in a SEC filing from yesterday: 'In addition, regulators or others in the Linux market and some foreign regulators have initiated or in the future may initiate legal actions against us, all of which may negatively impact our operations and future operating performance.' Does this mean the SEC finally started to pull some stops? SCOs and Canopys financial dealings (Vultus acquisition anyone?) long ago lead to speculations in the Linux community about the legality of their business practices, or the whole lawsuit just being a stock scam."

281 comments

  1. And the world wept by Darkmoor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, seriously, at this point, who (other than investors) is going to be the least bit sympathetic?

    1. Re:And the world wept by J+Barnes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In all cases of law, society should aspire not to sympathy in the legal system, but to impartiality. Slight, but substantial difference.

    2. Re:And the world wept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Slight, but substantial difference.

      If it's slight, then it's not substantial. I think the word you were looking for was "subtle".

    3. Re:And the world wept by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 3, Funny

      The day SCO is finally obliterated will be one serious celebration here on Slashdot. All around the world. Like friggin' New Years, complete with the dreadful hangover the next day. Should we come up with a name for it already? "NetCraft Confirms SCO is Dead Day"? You know, so we can all greet each other with a phrase like "Happy SCO is Dead Day" or "Happy GNU Years"? Help me out here.

    4. Re:And the world wept by michrech · · Score: 4, Funny

      Help me out here.

      Certianly -- Which way did you come in?

      (insert rimshot here)

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    5. Re:And the world wept by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      Justice is not served if injustice is brought to someone. Blanket impartiality breeds inequity and injustice.

      Note that I'm not proposing an alternative, but merely pointing out that your statement about what society should do is itself partial. The idea of should is a difficult one to propose, and I'm typically wary of people who start off with should statements (as should you all be).

    6. Re:And the world wept by southpolesammy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope that everyone here is not so naive as to think that things like this will stop if SCO (or more appropriately, The Canopy Group) goes away. This is an age of litigious bastards in America and it is foolhardy in the extreme to think that just because one group gets smacked that no one else will try again.

      The problem with cases like these are that they're too easy to bring up, and have damaging effects to the reputations of the accused with very little risk to the plaintiffs, regardless of the merit of the case. It also costs companies mega-dollars to defend against these kinds of groundless lawsuits with little no hope of cost recovery. That means that anyone with enough cash to pay lawyers to sling mud can cause damage to a firm's reputation, and is the reason that killing SCO will not kill the hydra.

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    7. Re:And the world wept by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
      In all cases of law, society should aspire not to sympathy in the legal system, but to impartiality. Slight, but substantial difference.

      If the system worked better, I'd agree. For instance, flipping a (fair) coin is impartial, but I'd certainly feel sympathy for any innocent person subjected to such a "court."

    8. Re:And the world wept by Jim+Starx · · Score: 1

      How does impartiality breed inequality and injustice?

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    9. Re:And the world wept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the posts are in trolltalk which by definition is pure crapflooding in any case. Please quit wasting your time and ours.

    10. Re:And the world wept by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference between penalties someone cultivating marijuana for their own use and someone cultivating it for sale is non-existent. Impartiality means we convict a cancer patient of cultivation and intent to distribute the same as a con. That is unjust.

      Impartiality means we send someone to prison for the rest of their natural life under the Three Strikes law for shoplifting $2.69 worth of batteries. (Believe it: http://www.facts1.com/ThreeStrikes/Stories/)

      I believe that answers your question; please let me know otherwise.

    11. Re:And the world wept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I was thinking of Dia de los Muertos (Day of the Dead--a Spanish holiday), so how about "Day of the Brain Dead"?

      Or the "Day the SCO Stood Still"?

      Nah, let's go with "Payback Time"

      And just to be geeky, we'll have to record the timestamp of whenever the story is first posted to Groklaw, convert it to epoch seconds, and use that as a cool geek reference of some kind.

      Sorta like the "END DAY" of Crystalis (which was supposed to be in '98 or so, heh). Actually, that one isn't bad, either, hmm...

      So many to choose from.

    12. Re:And the world wept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's why he used 'but'.

      The difference is slight to the casual observer, yet substantial within the context.

    13. Re:And the world wept by J+Barnes · · Score: 1

      From your statements, it is obvious that your view of "justice" is the preferential application of punishment based on personally subjective criteria, which is inherently unjust.

      You submit that two people guilty of breaking the same law should be punished differently based on (in the case you propose) their medical records. From that logic, it is easy to extend the idea to apply across any arbitrary difference between two defendants, be it class, religion or race.

      In your mind, you might ascribe less weight to a crime when perpetrated by a breast cancer victim versus a generic stereotypical drug-dealer, but prosecuting both with the same penalty is the only just way to apply law. Now whether or not an actual "law" or "punishment" is unjust is another discussion, but partial application of an existing law does not mitigate that.

      The problem when people argue semantics is that they confuse semantics with philosophy, and once someone with an American college education starts talking philosophy, they get confused and start talking about politics and socio-political doctrine.

      Sometimes words should just be words.

    14. Re:And the world wept by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      From your statements, it is obvious that your view of "justice" is the preferential application of punishment based on personally subjective criteria, which is inherently unjust.

      That's pretty close. Allow me to elaborate: justice is all parties finding fairness and balance in a decision. In that sense, objective application of the law is inherently unjust, given my previous examples. The problem is when people put the word "fair" in with the word "objective;" fair is a subjective idea. So yes, my way is subjective, but the manner by which the mentioned objectivity is found is as well.

      To elaborate even more and reword your statement (without agreeing that it's how I would formulate the idea), justice is the outcome of a decision in which all facts are considered, not just the facts of the law. Take the example of the cancer patient growing dope; the fact is they're doing it to relieve the pain of a terminal illness, but the facts of the law are that they were growing weed. I don't believe justice is found when sending that person to prison, and that the suppression of facts creates injustice. If one drug dealer is sent to prison and one cancer patient is sent to prison, the score is Justice 1, Injustice 1. How is that just?

      I don't believe it's possible to find justice all of the time, and certainly not by my or your way, but I do believe there are improvements to be made pending the cooperation of men.

      You submit that two people guilty of breaking the same law should be punished differently based on (in the case you propose) their medical records. From that logic, it is easy to extend the idea to apply across any arbitrary difference between two defendants, be it class, religion or race.

      Actually, I submit that two people guilty of breaking the same law should be punished differently based on the facts of the case. It is not so easy to extend to any chosen difference, for example if one is a plumber and another an accountant, and neither of these things reflects upon the case, then they should be discarded. It's about reason, and whether it can be reasoned that any fact of the case is relevant (nevermind that reason is a terribly difficult idea to implement). Unfortunately in the pursuit of justice law has been made in such a way that often the why doesn't matter; at the expense of justice the system of injustice remains viable.

      Again, this is a pipe dream. As anyone will tell you, "life isn't fair."

      In your mind, you might ascribe less weight to a crime when perpetrated by a breast cancer victim versus a generic stereotypical drug-dealer, but prosecuting both with the same penalty is the only just way to apply law. Now whether or not an actual "law" or "punishment" is unjust is another discussion, but partial application of an existing law does not mitigate that.

      I'm not talking about the weight of the crime, I'm talking about the justice of the punishment. Prosecuting both with the same penalty does not create justice in my mind, and I see we differ there.

      Partial application of an existing law falls outside the bounds of the system, so according to the rules of the system that is unjust. Unfortunately we're bound by the agreed upon idea of fairness and justice by those that created and perpetuate the system, so I'm forced to agree within that context. I think this is the point where it would become a discussion of change within or from the system in the pursuit of greater justice, as the rules of the system permit injustice and the rules of the system, as you pointed out, do not mitigate that.

      The problem when people argue semantics is that they confuse semantics with philosophy, and once someone with an American college education starts talking philosophy, they get confused and start talking about politics and socio-political doctrine.

      I'm not interested in viewing this as argu

    15. Re:And the world wept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's not how 'but' works. Think about it.

      "It was black but white."

      "It was fast but slow."

  2. Its about time.... by guyfromindia · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Somebody puts a stop to this madness...

    1. Re:Its about time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont see why moderators are marking this as a troll :(

    2. Re:Its about time.... by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 0

      I don't see why they're marking it as insightful either...

    3. Re:Its about time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe because its a meaningless remark just designed to get the link in his sig onto slashdot? Not a troll really, but what else fits? Overrrated?

    4. Re:Its about time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That website in the sig is pretty good... We have a new baby and my wife has been reading up on some cool articles..

    5. Re:Its about time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody is preventing you from adding a sig onto slashdot!

  3. the cookie at the end of the page... by Doomie · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The party adjourned to a hot tub, yes. Fully clothed, I might add. -- IBM employee, testifying in California State Supreme Court"

    Relevant? I say yes :)

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    1. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by inode_buddha · · Score: 1
      Recent headline at theonion.com

      "Ethics panel slides back to reveal hot tub!"

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    2. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by endx7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Never eat anything bigger than your head."

      I'm not sure how yet, but I think that's relevant too.

    3. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      Clearly, SCO bit off more than they could chew.

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    4. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one bite at a time, like almost everything else.

    5. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "...and the guy's like 'now he checks everything before he eats it.'"

    6. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by identity0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      *Pictures IBM guys sitting in a hot tub while wearing full suit and tie, surrounded by hot chicks in bikinis*

      IBM Guy 1: Say, maybe we could loosen up a little, now that we're in a hot tub...

      IBM Guy 2: Are you MAD?! Dress code requires a shirt, jacket and tie at all times! We're IBMers, not some grungy hippie hackers from Berkeley!

      IBM Guy 1: Couldn't we at least take our jacket off? I'm getting kind of hot...

      IBM Guy 2: Well, dress code reg. N21305-A says you may take off your jacket if the temprature is too high - but don't even think of loosening that tie, mister!

      Bunch of hedonistic wildmen, aren't they? Wonder what they do at their christmas parties...

    7. Re:the cookie at the end of the page... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > IBM Guy 2: Are you MAD?! Dress code requires a
      > shirt, jacket and tie at all times!

      Interesting that the dress code doesn't seem
      to require pants.

      Jacket + tie + hot tub + no pants could work.

  4. I hear quite abit about SCO by Ecko7889 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm sorry if I sound arrogant, but will someone please inform me exactly what SCO is/does...I hear alot about them on /. but just cock my head like a dog at them.

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    1. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by eln · · Score: 3, Informative

      They hold licenses to software. They don't actually develop anything. At one time, the original SCO wrote software, but the current SCO is nothing more than a software licensing house. Litigation is a major part of their business plan.

    2. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by AviLazar · · Score: 1, Informative

      SCO is a software firm out in CA. The old, Santa Clara Operations. They, a while ago, bought some Unix stuff, if I am not mistaken. They are now sueing any company that uses the Linux and its kernal saying that code in there came from code that they had purchased years ago.


      Normally this would be fine (if you stole my code, and started selling it, why shouldn't i sue you) except they have not been able to pony up any rock hard evidence. As such they are sueing just to threaten people. There have been companies who decided to pay instead of going into a legal battle (understandable from a bottom line perspective)...other companies, such as IBM have been giving SCO the big FU and went to court.

      In general, assuming you are new to /., call SCO evil and immoral and say nasty things about them and you are safe...defend them...well I won't be held responsible for the blood bath as the piranah's (aka /. posters) ravage you in many unholy ways.


      P.s. if some of my data is a bit wrong, be gentle with your anal probes of death.

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    3. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      > Litigation is a major part of their business plan.

      Major part? It looks like, over the last year or so, that it's the only business plan they've got. How much did they get in licensing fees?

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    4. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by pg110404 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Santa Clara Operations.

      I believe that's Santa Cruz Operations.

    5. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by muszek · · Score: 1
      In short:

      In early nineties, SCO bought a "license" to UNIX from Novel. Ever since Linux got big, they started demanding money from companies that had anything to do with Linux (AFAIR at least one huge hosting company settled to pay couple million dollars).

      In general, everybody but MS (trouble for linux = they're happy) thinks it's a bunch of crap. Novel even states that SCO doesn't own UNIX copyrights...

      Take a look at http://www.dvorak.org/scotimeline
    6. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by thparker · · Score: 5, Funny
      except they have not been able to pony up any rock hard evidence

      I'd suggest that they really haven't even shown any flaccid, squishy evidence.

    7. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by eln · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like an earlier post mentioned, it's Santa Cruz operation.

      Also, it's important to note that the current SCO is not the same company as the SCO out of California. The current SCO is a group out of Utah that purchased the old SCO along with all of its IP.

      The current SCO is purely an IP company. They have never developed software on their own, and should not be confused with the (much less evil) SCO of old.

    8. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 1

      SCO is based in Lindon, Utah, not California.

    9. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      The current SCO is a group out of Utah that purchased the old SCO along with all of its IP.

      They purchased PART of Old SCO. The rest of Old SCO is now Tarantella, I believe.

    10. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Gruuk · · Score: 1

      I could have sworn it was Santa Claus Optimism. Just saying you believe doen't make it true.

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    11. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Ian+Wolf · · Score: 1

      To be even more specific, the "new" SCO is the dim-witted offspring from the marriage of the "old" SCO and Caldera. Its more Caldera than "old" SCO, but even that is a little unfair as I believe almost none of the leadership did any real work for either parent.

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    12. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by snorklewacker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Set anal probes to stun:

      This is the second time I heard them called "Santa Clara Operations". It's "The Santa Cruz Operation". They were a joint venture with Microsoft to write a port of Unix System V to the 8086 and 8088. They called this port Xenix. Microsoft was supposed to pay SCO licensing for Xenix, but since they never used it, they figured they didn't have to pay SCO. SCO demanded rights to Xenix back, and got it.

      For a while, SCO Unix sort of held its own on cost. The damn thing didn't even come with TCP/IP (you had to buy it from Excelan or another vendor) but once you got it up, you could run backoffice apps like order printing on the cheap, and it was reliable enough as long as you had a competent admin. They later grew into a bloated corporate entity with an increasingly shoddy product, but they had a moment in the sun. Later, the same company went on to produce products like Reflection (a rather good terminal emulator package, later sold off to WRQ and becoming Reflection X), and Tarantella, which was like VNC well before VNC. Tarantella was the most successful SCO product ever, and eventually SCO changed its name to match the product.

      Tarantella sold off the name SCO to Caldera, a company whose history I know less of, except that they appear to be the working retirement package for Novell executives. Since Novell was going nowhere with their shiny new trophy -- the Unix name -- they sold it off to Caldera. Additionally, they bought the SCO name from Tarantella, who appeared more than happy to be rid of it. They started a not-terribly-well-received commercial Linux distribution, but also poured quite a lot of resources into free software development including KDE and various network utilities.

      All was pretty happy for a while until a major shareholder, The Canopy Group then led by Ralph Yarro III, decided that this Linux thing wasn't really all that hot after all, and decided to kick Ransom Love out and replace him with Darl McBride -- another former Novell exec. McBride apparently agreed with Yarro that the demise of Project Monterey, a joint venture with IBM that scuttled SCO's prospects (that is, Caldera SCO, not Tarantella SCO) when it went away, meant that IBM had to pay, and pay hard, and that since they went with Linux, Linux had to pay too.

      The rest you can read on Groklaw. I have to get back to work :) Just remember, the company bearing the name SCO is Caldera, a former puppet of the Canopy group, now running on McBride's and Yarro's egos alone. The original SCO is now soon to be a division of Sun, though it's not as if anyone even working there is from "the old SCO" either.

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    13. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Invalidator · · Score: 1

      Apparently SCO thinks they bought a lot more than a license. From the SEC filing: "We own the UNIX operating system and are a provider of UNIX-based products and services."

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    14. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by swv3752 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Original SCO was known as The Santa Cruz Operation. They created the first x86 Unix called Xenix. In 1995 they obtain some sort of licensing from Novell. In 1998, they announced Project Monterey with IBM. They are now know as Tarantella but most of the business was sold to Cadera.

      The SCO Group started as Cadera Systems and was split off from Novell in 1994. They were a Linux Distributor and was involved in the devolopement of the Red Hat Package Manager. In 2001 they acquire most of SCO includig rights to use the name. In 2002, Ransom Love leaves as CEO and Daryl McBride is named the new CEO. Later the name is changed from Caldera to the SCO Group, SCO for short. 2003 The IBM lawsuit is launched. SCO produces ever more ridiculous PR pieces. Eventually the mainstream press catches on that SCO is full of it (and I don't mean Information Technology).

      Most of this available as a timeline from SCO

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    15. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by DeDmeTe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Didn't Caldera also buy the rights to DR-DOS from Novell and then sue Microsoft? If I remember correctly, it had somethig to do with the fact that Win 3.x displayed an "incompatible" error message when installing on top of DR-DOS vs. MS-DOS, I believe they won too (Caldera).

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    16. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      The rest of Old SCO is now Tarantella, I believe.

      Which was just bought by Sun.

    17. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 1

      ...and now Novell is trying to buy Tarantella...what a soap opera...

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    18. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One minor knit pick. SCO was set up to port Seventh edition called Xenix. Later there was a port of System V called SCO Unix.

    19. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Sun is trying to purchase Tarantella...

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    20. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's "nit pick". Stick to your knitting.

    21. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by k98sven · · Score: 1

      >>Santa Clara Operations.

      >I believe that's Santa Cruz Operations.


      Is this what they mean when they say the company is going south?

    22. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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      by pg110404 (836120) on Thursday May 19, @12:06PM (#12579288)
      Santa Clara Operations.

      I believe that's #buttes Failure Operations.


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    23. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
      Tarantella sold off the name SCO to Caldera,

      There is no evidence of that whatsoever. None.

      The oldSCO (Santa Cruz Operation) became Tarantella, but the newSCO which is really the SCO Group was formed much later after the asset sale.

      The SCO Group could have been called anything, but in IP ligitigation, anything to confuse a jury is considered good in the SCO machinations.

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    24. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      > There is no evidence of that whatsoever. None.

      It's funny. I fact-checked my story, and I was wrong on a lot of things. They weren't a joint venture, they were a two-person consulting company (Xenix involved Microsoft, but not quite the way I had thought). Tarantella might not have been "happy to be rid of the SCO name" ... but that you presume to correct me on what is easily verified by literally thousands of news sites...

      Amazing. Yes, the new SCO is The SCO Group. The name change from Caldera to the new name took place the year after the sale. SCO Inc is gone for good. You trying to tell me that there was no trademark transferred, and that the new name is just another legal maneuver?

      Amazing.

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    25. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by sneakers563 · · Score: 1

      Sorry to nitpick, but SCO sold a x86 port of Xenix which was created by Microsoft. That is, Microsoft wrote Xenix, and then licensed SCO to port it to the x86.

    26. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      I was aware of that Microsoft was involved with Xenix, but the history I have read was a bit convuluted.

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    27. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That is about as large a mismatch of misinformation as one is likely to find anywhere.

      > They were a joint venture with Microsoft

      SCO were originally two brothers who contracted to MS to help write Xenix. Later they formed a company to appear to be more than 'a couple of guys'.

      > to write a port of Unix System V to the 8086 and 8088.

      It was Unix edition 7, well before System III let alone SV.

      > Microsoft was supposed to pay SCO licensing for > Xenix,

      No. Wrong. It was MS Xenix until MS sold it to SCO and then SCO had to pay licencing to MS for years, even though all the MS code had been rewritten, until they went to court which said that they no longer had to pay.

      > but since they never used it,

      Actually MS sold Xenix and advertised it and even used it internally for development until the late 80s.

      > they figured they didn't have to pay SCO.

      Quite wrong. SCO was paying MS after they bought it.

      > SCO demanded rights to Xenix back, and got it.

      Quite wrong. Xenix belonged to MS until SCO bought it from them. Even then MS had a large part of SCO stock and Paul Allan was CEO for some time.

      > a company whose history I know less of,

      I didn't think that was possible, but then I read it and decided this was probably the only true thing in your post.

      > the Unix name -- they sold it off to Caldera.

      Novell gave 'the Unix name' to the Open-Group. The sold the Unixware business and Unix licencing business (but not 'Unix') to SCO who then sold it to Caldera (which is not part of Novell) and then SCO also sold OpenServer (Xenix renamed and merged with SVR4) to Caldera and also the SCO name.

    28. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > started as Cadera Systems and was split off from Novell in 1994.

      No. They never were part of Novell, they were not 'split off'. Ray Noorda left Novell and formed a new company called Caldera Systems.

    29. Re:I hear quite abit about SCO by dickrichardv8 · · Score: 1

      ....and to confuse things even more names like Caldera, Caldera International, SCO(the SCO distribution channels and Unixware or Open Server stuff) all morphed through a Short lived company that existed only to be a name in their contracts called New Company. No one knows what went out of New Company to become part of the new Caldera or whatever it was that got renamed to SCO Group after the IBM lawsuite started. New Company disappeared after it was gutted of it's assets, whatever they were.

  5. really? by alexandreracine · · Score: 0, Troll

    Really?
    Santa Claus Operation and speculations goes together?

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  6. More info by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is another link I should've added to the submission: This site assembles some very interesting information from the Yahoo SCOX Financial Board.

    1. Re:More info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To answer your question -- no, this is routine boilerplate language for an SEC filing and does not in any way suggest that an investigation is underway.

    2. Re:More info by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the Yahoo financial boards are rife with spam, garbage, and deliberate misinformation. And the site in your post merely notes a few hits from Caldera sites - that could very easily be a worker checking the message boards for clues about what's going on with SCO, not neccessarily any monitoring by SCO management.

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  7. About time by bonch · · Score: 1, Troll

    I've mostly forgotten about SCO these days, as they were all bark and no bite. My question is, what took so long? I remember people constantly writing to the feds and calling for investigations into this company last year. What was the freakin' holdup? Even non-tech people can see the writing on the wall.

    1. Re:About time by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Once SCO actually sent legal complaints to IBM customers, they crossed a very big line. At that point, IBM went from wanting to win a case, to wanting to find out who was really behind the whole scam, and (metaphorically) stuff them in an agonizer booth for a year or so, then put their head on a pike, sew 100 year half-life radioactives over their once fertile croplands, pimp all their remaining family members, and recall the 1 dollar bill, so they could print up new ones with the idiot's picture on them, captiioned "Biggest loooozar evah in the whole history of the world". IBM doesn't want SCO, they want the whole Canopy group, and beyond.
      The SEC will become involved at whatever time IBM thinks it is most efficient for them to become involved, and the first thing they will get to help them is copious evidence gathered by IBM's private investigators. Apparently, IBM has decided they have enough.
      Without the trivial exaggeration of the first paragraph, and in all seriousness. This will end only after a dozen "mysterious suicides" and "accidents". Yes, real deaths. Some of the people who banked on SCO's claims got their start busting real people's real kneecaps over trivial 1,000 dollar loans. They are looking at financial losses, criminal prosecution, and in some cases this will be RICO based. Every single thing you have read here on Slashdot will look trivial as this ends up hitting the national press - Just be sure to read down, as by then the mentions of Darl, Canopy or SCO may be buried in the fourth paragraph or so.

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    2. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those are pretty big claims. Care to present any evidence (of your claims about the past)?

    3. Re:About time by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Check into the new managers they hired this year (i.e., within the last 12 months).

      That this is some of the same kind of thing he's been involved in in the past is, of course, pure speculation.

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    4. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This will end only after a dozen "mysterious suicides" and "accidents"."
      To borrow an acronym, FYAD to all who helped SCO.

    5. Re:About time by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

      Some of the people who banked on SCO's claims got their start busting real people's real kneecaps over trivial 1,000 dollar loans.

      Jesus H! It's the......



      ....wait for it...



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    6. Re:About time by jafac · · Score: 1

      IBM doesn't want SCO, they want the whole Canopy group, and beyond.

      And I hope they get those dirty rotten bastards, every single one of them. And I hope they put a serious hurt on those fuckers.

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    7. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know you are highly delusional right?

      Put away the tinfoil hat, IBM is not the angry beast that is going to rip apart a company that you personally don't like. They will do what they need to in order to move on, in a manner that will net them the largest profit - revenge for revenge's sake is not the path to the largest profit.

    8. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who cares, it was fun to read

    9. Re:About time by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They will do what they need to in order to move on, in a manner that will net them the largest profit - revenge for revenge's sake is not the path to the largest profit.

      If that was so, they would have bought out SCO long ago. It would have been far quicker, simpler and cheaper than the legal road they've actually taken.

      IBM, however, are smart enough to realise that if they do that then a hundred more SCOs will try their hands at getting bought out in the same way, with great profit for the executives. Therefore IBM have decided to show the world exactly what happens to asshats like SCO, in the hope that others will be deterred from trying the same in future.

      If the legal option was available, IBM probably really would ask the judge to stick Darl's head on a spike over Traitors' Gate. They want everyone in the world to know what happens to people who ask IBM for danegeld.

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  8. Good chance of it being a scam by ProfaneBaby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In any event, the business was failing, so scam or not, it's a desperate game to try to stay alive and relevant for another few years.

    The corporation's responsibility is working in the best interest of their shareholders - everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit for those who own stock. If that means suing a company just to stay relevant, so be it.

    That's how public corporations work. It may not be morally correct (for some definition of morality), but they are responsible for protecting their shareholders... In the end, the trick may work the way they wanted - extending the life of a failing company for another few years so that shareholders have time to sell and salaried employees can collect a few more dollars.

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    1. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by inode_buddha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Protecting the interests of shareholders, indeed. And guess what happens when all the major shareholders are either insiders or institutionals?

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    2. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Yes, but their shareholders are selling to other shareholders, so the new shareholders whos stocks tumbled could sue for loss due to them inflating the stock. Of course any intelligent stock holder buying stocks in the last year should have known what was going on and the risk. That doesn't mean they were.

    3. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by conteXXt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quick question?

      "extending the life of a failing company for another few years so that shareholders have time to sell..."

      Don't shareholders sell their shares to other shareholders by definition?

      It's not like they are selling them back to Canopy Group.

      Someone (a shareholder) is going to get hurt eventually.

      Hence SCAM.

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    4. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful


      The corporation's responsibility is working in the best interest of their shareholders - everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit for those who own stock. If that means suing a company just to stay relevant, so be it.


      Are you actually embracing the moraless practice that corporations have these days? I understand the motivation to do this. I also understand the motivation of bank robbers to rob banks. "I as a bank robber have a responsibility to give my family the best living conditions and education possible. I swear I'm only looking out for my family!"

      Yes I understand that's "how public corporations work", but that doesn't make it OK. Why is that in any way a defense? Enron has done much the same thing, and I don't hear too many people trying to defend them on a "corps do what corps do" basis.

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    5. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If that means suing a company just to stay relevant, so be it.

      No, it means they perform due diligence. If due diligence says "hey these people are infringing our patent, lets sue them", then so be it. No real due diligence effort will say "Hey, we're dying so lets sue IBM for patent infringement, wait a few weeks, change the lawsuit to copyright infringement, wait a few weeks, then change the lawsuit to breach of contract, then claim in court that IBM worked on 64 bit processors without us ever knowing about it only to have some girl running some stupid website pull up some moldy old bit of PR we issued years ago discussing SCO and IBMs collaboration on 64 bit processor architectures, then make more unproven accusations to cover up the fact that we got nothing"

      extending the life of a failing company for another few years so that shareholders have time to sell

      As someone else said, attempting to make a dead company look good so you can sell your stock is EXACTLY the kind of scam the SEC frowns upon.

    6. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And guess what happens when all the major shareholders are either insiders or institutionals?

      We put the insiders inside an institution?

    7. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's how public corporations work. It may not be morally correct (for some definition of morality), but they are responsible for protecting their shareholders... In the end, the trick may work the way they wanted - extending the life of a failing company for another few years so that shareholders have time to sell and salaried employees can collect a few more dollars.

      To be honest, I think shareholders would have been better served by the closure of the company and selling of its assets. I don't know who bought into SCO after the lawsuits, but they no doubt are receiving an expensive education. Keeping the company doors open a few more years doesn't always make business sense, and I think this certainly is the case with SCO.

    8. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by adrianbaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "the best interests of shareholders" doesn't include getting sued into oblivion by IBM a short while after filing specious lawsuits. If I were a shareholder I'd be fuming - while the management could have been building a successful and profitable company based on linux, they got stupid or greedy and flushed it down the drain. The way to fix a failing company is to identify how to make it profitable, not spin out its death agonies.

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    9. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't shareholders sell their shares to other shareholders by definition?

      Not necessarily. There are market makers who set prices and in some exchanges are required to buy stock you wish to sell.

      But, yes, whomever holds the shares at 'the end' will have a big loss.

    10. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Moofie · · Score: 2, Funny

      "everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit for those who own stock"

      I don't think they're being investigated by the SEC on suspicion of hugging bunnies and adopting homeless kittens.

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    11. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Knara · · Score: 1
      Well, assuming it was a deliberate deception they might be able to sue, but I don't think the general stockholder has the resources to do such a thing.

      This is of course why people are supposed to do research on companies they buy into, rather than take it from someone else that it's a good investment.

    12. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by DustMagnet · · Score: 1

      The corporation's responsibility is working in the best interest of their shareholders - everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit for those who own stock.

      Doing everything possible to to turn a profit isn't always in the best interest of the shareholders. Are all SCO shareholders amoral greedy bastards? If so, we should judge them and their corporation accordingly and condem them as the scum they are. A corporation isn't a get out of jail free card for morality.

      Any human that does "everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit" is a huge jerk should shunned by everyone. Any human that owns stock in a company that does "everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit" is either ignorant or just as big a jerk.

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    13. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by killjoe · · Score: 1

      You have it all wrong my man. SCOX is a scan to RIP OFF THE SHAREHOLDERS not to protect them. Look at the Vultus deal carefully. SCO buys vultus in order to transfer money from the SCO shareholders to the people who own vultus (which surprise! have lots of other dealings with people who own most of SCO stock). They then write off the deal as a loss and shareholder got reamed.

      Of course in the US that's perfectly moral and legal. Capitalism YouGottaLoveIt (TM).

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    14. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by clem · · Score: 1

      An old acquaintance of mine is currently doing time for hugging bunnies. His advice? Never let the inmates know that you were a bunny hugger.

      Not the happiest guy I know. Even if he makes parole he's going to have his photo stapled to every telephone pole in his neighborhood.

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    15. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Then why do corps give to charities? The corporate charter is given to advance the public good. A corp is meant to advance the interests of its stakeholders, not just its shareholders. A corp is not allowed to business that is not outlined in its charter.

      A lot of this gets ignored, but its still on the law books.

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    16. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by metlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember - that doesn't make it illegal.

      Immoral, maybe (like the original poster said, for some definition of morality) - but definitely not illegal.

      Welcome to Corporate America. :-)

    17. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1
      You have it all wrong my man. SCOX is a scan to RIP OFF THE SHAREHOLDERS not to protect them. Look at the Vultus deal carefully. SCO buys vultus in order to transfer money from the SCO shareholders to the people who own vultus (which surprise! have lots of other dealings with people who own most of SCO stock). They then write off the deal as a loss and shareholder got reamed.

      Of course in the US that's perfectly moral and legal. Capitalism YouGottaLoveIt (TM).


      Not necessarily. If the stockholders can show that thats why the deal was done and that it was not in the best interests in the company, they can sue to recover their losses.

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    18. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those market makers are thus shareholders, you moron.

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    19. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by jschottm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone (a shareholder) is going to get hurt eventually.

      Hence SCAM.


      If someone getting hurt eventually was the only criteria for a stock scam, companies could not do anything - by its very nature, someone will get hurt with the stock market, pretty much no matter what. Buy low, sell high. It's up to the individual investors or their financial group/investors to judge the merit of the companies and the relative worth of their stock. Caviat emptor and all that. People who bought Enron stock got scammed. People that bought $BIOTECH that had promise but never delivered and went under made a poor choice. But both parties got hurt financially.

      As grandparent said, there's prolly nothing illegal about SCO suing IBM et al. They claim that a contract was violated, hire a very respectable lawyer, and attempted to protect what they believed was theirs. Various of their statements have been rediculous and inflamatory, but there's no law against being stupid or making poor judgement. There's also no law against well timed press releases - all big companies do it all the time.

      What *could* be illegal is if the powers that be can show that they purjured themselves, that they violated SEC rules, or that they engaged in insider trading. All of which can be difficult to prove.

    20. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The corporation's responsibility is working in the best interest of their shareholders"

      So what has SCO done recently that is in the best interest of their shareholders? They spent a vast amount of money on legal actions that never had the slightest chance of success. They have made their name the most hated in the industry. They have almost certainly destroyed the company rather than making it viable. They have made innumerable verifably false statements in the media, and used these blatant lies to convince people to buy their stock and run up the price. SCO stock is going to be worthless soon. The shareholders are the ones who are getting screwed. And, no, seeing that "shareholders have time to sell" is not a justification, because that just means a different SCO shareholder gets screwed.

      The whole thing had been a scheme to extract as much money as possible FROM SHAREHOLDERS while running the company into the ground. No conceivable "corporate ethics" justifies lying to and defrauding your own stockholders, who after all are the owners of the company.

    21. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by MemeRot · · Score: 1

      Please notice that they said anything short of breaking the law. Enron broke the law. SCO, to my knowledge, has not.

      It's not just 'how corporations work', it is actually how they are required to work today. Everything they do is supposed to be to benefit their shareholders.

    22. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by MemeRot · · Score: 1

      They give to charities as a PR stunt, which they judge to be in the interest of the company. Chevron may run glitzy ads about cleaning up an oil spill, but what do they really follow up on? Pure PR.

    23. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
      To be honest, I think shareholders would have been better served by the closure of the company and selling of its assets. I don't know who bought into SCO after the lawsuits, but they no doubt are receiving an expensive education. Keeping the company doors open a few more years doesn't always make business sense, and I think this certainly is the case with SCO.

      What assets does SCO actually have? Do they own any real-estate? How much money have they got in the bank? The big asset they went around for the last couple of years make-believing about (rights to Unix) look to be evaporating, and along with it any value the company might have conned some pretty stupid investors into believing they had.

      The whole thing is a sad case of caveat emptor. It's the same ol' same ol'. The old cliche "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" could have been written for SCO and its investors. Now I have no idea whether McBride and his cronies initially believed their claims about code they believed they owned getting into Linux, though eventually a shareholder lawsuit might take an interest in that. My frank opinion was the whole thing was a botched extortion attempt againt IBM, but again, it's up to SCO's soon-to-be-much-poorer investors to decide whether or not McBridge and Co. had been working a stock scam.

      But I have no pity for these investors. Anyone who invests in a company whose business plan pretty amounts to "threaten with lawsuits until they pay a licensing fee that they may or may not have to pay" deserves everything they get.

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    24. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      Don't shareholders sell their shares to other shareholders by definition?

      In this case, the correct term for the "other shareholder" is: "mark." Like selling your interest in swamp land, a depleted gold mine, or the Brooklyn Bridge.

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    25. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by killjoe · · Score: 1

      ROFLMA. The idea that there will be anything left to recover once SCO folds their tents is hilarious.

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    26. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by conteXXt · · Score: 0

      While agree with you entirely on the machinations of the market/legal system, I have to raise another point.

      By your reasoning (and mine apparently), Pyramid and Ponzi schemes are legal too.

      thoughts?

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    27. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1
      ROFLMA. The idea that there will be anything left to recover once SCO folds their tents is hilarious.

      Failure to show due diligence in managing a company would be a situation where corporate officers can be personally liable.

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    28. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by jschottm · · Score: 2

      By your reasoning (and mine apparently), Pyramid and Ponzi schemes are legal too.

      Specific laws were passed against them in order to protect people. By their very nature, Pyramid and Ponzi schemes are due to failure because they are inherently unsustainable. I'll not that not all Pyramid schemes are banned - for example, there are various sales organizations that have pyramid-like aspects that are legal.

      It would be very hard to ban what SCO did because there's nothing unsustainable about it and it's a process that gets used legitimately all the time.

      There's a line that has to be walked when creating the balance between rewarding smart people, protecting dumb people, and serving the general public. Allowing people to be fleeced for being dumb hurts society in general because it creates a burden on the public supporting the bankrupt (assuming your culture says that it's immoral to let people starve to death) and has a tendency to increase violent crime. Protecting people too much stiffles innovation.

    29. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they are only share holders in the context of holding shares.

      They make the market, hence the name market makers, something which a normal shareholder can't do and no, they won't get hurt on the same level as a regular shareholder.

      You should read up on them.

    30. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by killjoe · · Score: 1

      Going after corporate officers is so rare. I'll bet you a year's salary it won't happen here. That's a good bet for me because statistically the chances of a corporate officer paying out of their own pockets to shareholders left holding the bag is like million to one or better. You have a better chance of being hit by a lightning 50 days in a row.

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    31. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I worked on the Pacific Options Exchange for three months. I worked for a market maker. I know what a fucking market maker is. Yes, there are lots of things that market makers can do that other people cannot do. However, they are still shareholders. When a company is sued for failing to maximize shareholder value, market makers that hold shares can participate in the suit.

      Dunno what you mean "they won't get hurt on the same level as a regular shareholder". If they buy stock and it goes down in price (because the CEO is pumping and dumping or for any other reason) and they sell it for a lower value, then they lose the same money as any other shareholder.

      In other words, YES, they are only share holders in the context of holding shares. So they are shareholders. Jesus Christ.

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    32. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Funny


      Please notice that they said anything short of breaking the law.

      And that excuses them from any moral judgements? I'll remember that next time I cheat on my wife. "Honey! It's not against the LAW!!!". (Ok, I'm not really married, but you get the point).

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    33. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by donnz · · Score: 1

      It should be pointed out that shareholders, by the very definition, have purchased a share in an asset. The corporation has an obligation to maintain and enhance the value of that asset. To turn a short term profit at the expense of asset value maintenance is therefore is much more of a dereliction of duty than failing to maximise profit in the short term. "If that means suing a company just to stay relevant, so be it."

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    34. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by khallow · · Score: 1
      What assets does SCO actually have? Do they own any real-estate? How much money have they got in the bank? The big asset they went around for the last couple of years make-believing about (rights to Unix) look to be evaporating, and along with it any value the company might have conned some pretty stupid investors into believing they had.

      It sounds like they were still sitting on some cash, hardware, IP, and real estate. It should be a straightforward economic decision. If they aren't viable long term then it's just a matter of whether it's cheaper to close the doors now or later.

    35. Re:Good chance of it being a scam by MemeRot · · Score: 1

      It is against the law actually. It's called adultery.

  9. hmmm... by muszek · · Score: 0, Troll
    negatively impact our operations and future operating performance

    who'd be happy to piss on their grave? raise your hand.

    1. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, raise your glass.
      It's an important first step.

    2. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "raise your dick", don't you?

    3. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > who'd be happy to piss on their grave? raise your hand.

      My hand stays down. Darl's grave ain't worthy.

  10. It means nothing. by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every corporation has malcontents among the shareholders.

    It's the cost of raising capital through common stock.

  11. No more bribe money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They must have run out of money to buy off the key Congress critters. The rest belongs to Darth Darl.

    1. Re:No more bribe money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you mean Jar Jar Darl?

    2. Re:No more bribe money by nizo · · Score: 1

      I keep reading SCO articles hoping to find out when the firesale starts. Every now and then I look on the "History of the SCO group" page on their website and skim past all the lawsuit entires but there is still no "Going out of business firesale" entry yet.

  12. awww waaaaa by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Funny

    have initiated or in the future may initiate legal actions against us, all of which may negatively impact our operations and future operating performance

    Yea so what? Like you haven't cost other companies millions of dollars, hundreds if not thousands of man-hours, and that is not even to mention all the lost work hours from us /. posters.

    I hope you get sued into the ground.

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    1. Re:awww waaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of Liar Liar.

      Your honour, I move that the case be dismissed.

      Why would that be exactly?

      It's DEVASTATING TO MY BUSINESS!

  13. And their stock is UP on the news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What a wierd company.

    1. Re:And their stock is UP on the news by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 1

      Yes, weird...

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  14. stock scams by blunte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many corporate actions are just games designed to artificially increase stock price.

    SCO just happened to have the balls (or the incredibly stupid idea) to sue the 2nd largest software company in the world for an astronomical figure.

    Consider this perspective. Even if IBM had rolled over and paid SCO some big number in a settlement, that wouldn't impact the company's value nearly as much as the potential of winning the huge case. So basically, the threat of the huge payoff, magnified by stock market gambling, would (and did) push the stock price up far more.

    Everyone with inside information then cashes out (inside meaning executives, primary funding investors, and Martha Stewart-type friends) while the stupid general "investing" public buys more stock after reading the daily press releases.

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    1. Re:stock scams by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      Although I agree with everything you said, I have no pity whatsoever with anyone who fell for that "Trick" and invested in SCO.

      If you were too ignorant to figure that one out, you don't deserve to be deciding how to spend your money--taking it away is best for society.

    2. Re:stock scams by blunte · · Score: 1

      You're right, no pity.

      But it is unfortunate that (for now) the "evil people" have profited.

      Hopefully the SEC will do something to _dissuade_ the offending parties from doing that again.

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    3. Re:stock scams by greed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a question... when did IBM stop being the 1st largest software company in the world?

    4. Re:stock scams by jafac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many corporate actions are just games designed to artificially increase stock price.

      more true than most people know.

      Like the massive manpower ramp-up (and concurrent book-cooking) in the late 1990's that companies did just to show stockholders that they were "growing".

      The current "fad" is offshoring and outsourcing, to show stockholders that they're "cutting fat".

      Fooling the investors in order to get cheap financing can temporarily make a money-losing enterprise look profitable.

      None of this has/d a damn thing to do with running an actual functional business.

      Because the SEC does nothing to stop this, it's common practice, and companies who don't do this are at a steep competitive disadvantage.

      Is corporate Anarchy good for the American Economy, long-term?
      Does that spell good things for our future ability to finance our military defense?

      Corporate America is slitting it's own throat.

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    5. Re:stock scams by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      SCOX: Cleansing the economic gene pool since 2003!

    6. Re:stock scams by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I have pity for them. The officers of SCO knew they had a baloney case. They indicated publically that they had a strong case. They lied to the media about evidence in their possession. They lied about the terms of a contract they signed. They lied about rights they held.

      SCO committted criminal fraud. I think it is reasonable to expect investors to assume that companies are presenting true information in a more favorable light than would be warrented. To actually verify that base statements are true is simply too difficult. How do you know that GM has sold the rights to all the land they claim to own? How do you know that Johnson and Johnson didn't just lose a lawsuit to Merck where they lost all their patents? You can't. Its up to the company to provide you with true information about their state.

      The system is simply not set up for the level of dishonesty that Darl & Co. exhibit.

    7. Re:stock scams by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      I agree that SCO was wrong, but if you buy stock in a company because you think it's profitable, spend a few weeks and look into it. See if it's actually being evil--is it worth your support?

      Look on the web, perhaps, and see what people have to say it. If you don't, Well, I guess you deserve what you get.

      Hear that Wallmart shareholders? Exxon?

    8. Re:stock scams by blunte · · Score: 1

      I've "known" about it for years. But to back it up I provide these links:

      Here

      Here

      Here

      Here

      and Here

      Judging by the dates on these articles, I'd say at least since 2001, but I'd bet it was long before that.

      IBM may be bigger (I dunno, and I'm not going to spend time now researching), but they're not a bigger "software" company. IBM does lots of different things - in fact their business goal since 2001 has been to shift focus to services.

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    9. Re:stock scams by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Up until about 8 years ago I'd consider statements made by corporate officers in sworn statements to be considerably more valuable than what people put on newsgroups. For that matter I'd consider statements by the CEO repeatedly to be virtually gospel in terms of indicating the knowledge and intent of the company.

      I've lost faith and today all I would expect from those statements is that officers don't know them to be false. In SCO's case even that isn't true.

    10. Re:stock scams by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      Totally offtopic, but I think this thing has scrolled enough that it won't be modded.

      There has been a culture of greed that sprung up sometime from the mid-80's. The concept is that you can do anything you want as long as it makes you money, and if everyone is selfish like that the world will be perfect.

      This is treated as a religion (strangely these same people tend to reject religion strenuously, but accept this unproven belief in selfishness as fact)

      I think that it's just getting to the point where this attitude is really rolling into power, and it's part of why corporations are changing, and possibly part of what happened to our government.

      It's very prevalent. I've met tens of people who treated this as a religion (it was the basis for everything they did), and a magnitude more that think that's correct but dont evangelize. It's gotten to the point where greed is synonymous with American.

      Do you care, probably not, but your 8 years comment reminded me that we're getting into that period and that you're right, things really are changing--I also don't see it getting any better.

    11. Re:stock scams by jbolden · · Score: 1

      That's a good insight. You are probably right. The people who were in their late 20's in 1980 are the executives today. In the 1980s the view was discredited by the stock market crash. In the 1990s the Fed slashed interest rates to 1% to prevent a crash (though we still had a pretty bad bear). I suspect that may be one of the reasons there wasn't a reaction against the excesses of the 1990s.

      The actual rise of a pro corruption president is something new. Clinton didn't care very much but at least he didn't encourage it.

    12. Re:stock scams by sepluv · · Score: 1
      Not only the second largest software company, but the largest (by employees and revenues, for a long time, if not forever) and oldest (founded 1888) IT company in the world; incidentally, well known for their hordes of IP lawyers and scrupulous precautions wrt copyright, trade secrets and patents.

      I think TSG's logic here was that, if TSG took on Big Blue, the stockholders would assume that there must be a really good case, as otherwise the TSG directors would have to be insane.

      Unfortunately, some unlucky stockholders severely underestimated McBride's insanity.

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  15. Re:Good chance of it being a scam (Troll?) by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Who is the mod who was stupid enough to classify these comments as Troll? These are dead-on ontopic and informative/insightful.

    I wish I had points. You deserve better.

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  16. Fuck the SEC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now it should be the FBI. They've moved well beyond a simple stock manipulation scheme and have enetered the realm of criminal interstate stalking.

    Someone needs to go to jail, and not some white-collar posh Martha Stewart prison. They need to go where the other predatory criminals (stalkers, rapists, etc) go.

    If the SEC eviscerates the company and that's all that happens, they got off easy.

  17. Canopy Group? by chinard · · Score: 4, Funny

    How come every time I hear about Canopy group in this case I cant help but thinking about the Umbrella Corporation? O.o;

    1. Re:Canopy Group? by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but it's probably the same reason as me. :)

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    2. Re:Canopy Group? by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

      Everytime I think of the Canopy Group I think of "The Prisoner" and that logo...

      No.2: ``Are you going to run?''
      No.6: ``Like the blazes; first chance I get.''
      No.2: ``I mean, run for office?''

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    3. Re:Canopy Group? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to look that up on Wikipedia. It's amazing how much information they had on such a worthless and irrelevant (outside the game, at least) topic.

    4. Re:Canopy Group? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Prisoner"... Is that the old TV show with,
      "what do you want?"
      "information!"
      "what information?"

  18. standard template language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    while it's tempting to read more into it than is there, the fact is every corporation warns against a worst-case scenario in its financial filings to avoid shareholder suits down the road. LNUX and RHAT filings also contain similar template language, but no one anticipates they will go under in the next quarter.

    This is absolutely no indication that there's a SEC investigation on the horizon and shows how really ignorant of standard business practices the Groklaw and anti-SCO folks really are. SCO is nicely imploding on its own; no reason to start a lot of false rumors (and speculating falsely about something that can effect stock prices is prosecutable, by the way; Ms. Jones should know that) when there's simply no need.

    1. Re:standard template language by SABME · · Score: 1

      You are correct that this is standard business practice and in no way implies an SEC investigation into SCO.

      The "impending SEC investigation" slant is merely one of slashdot's usual brain-dead misinterpretation.

      Had you (or the originator of this thread) bothered to actually read PJ's comments on this topic, you would have learned that she was commenting on language in the new SCO prospectus that she didn't recall seeing before.

    2. Re:standard template language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "LNUX and RHAT" does not constitute "every corporation". Perhaps "many", but not "every". This is interesting, but not informative.

    3. Re:standard template language by arkanes · · Score: 2
      and speculating falsely about something that can effect stock prices is prosecutable, by the way

      I am almost positive that this is total bunk, unless you're an insider or have access to insider information. Certainly as you phrase it it's untrue - otherwise it'd be illegal to speculate on the outcome of litigation. Or the merit of a new product. Or the potential success of an advertising campaign. Or whether or not the AC on the trading floor is broken.

    4. Re:standard template language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent point. This is very standard language for SEC filings.

      Slashdotters absolutely destroy posts expressing excitement about a technology non-issue. But apparently it's ok when it's in the legal or legal or accounting domain - then we can jump to all kinds of crazy conclusions and get modded up!

      Let's keep things in perspective, guys.

  19. 10-K by odin53 · · Score: 3, Informative

    This exact language was in their 10-K filed last month. There have no other filings recently that would normally have a "Risk Factors" section, so that's why you wouldn't have seen this sort of language elsewhere. I don't think this is really news.

    1. Re:10-K by krbvroc1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      My guess is the SEC noticed they are reporting 'goodwill'. Someone realized something was fishy because there is no goodwill towards SCO.

  20. Standard CYA by cmcguffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is standard operating procedure to include in SEC filings discussion of any factors that will or reasonably may negatively impact business.

    This CYA language is meant to prevent both SEC probing and shareholder lawsuits should something go wrong. This language is often copied verbatim in later filings, so it often is written to be as broad as possible.

    Mere inclusion of such language does not mean that these factors have happened or will happen, only that the company thinks there is some non-zero chance of it happening.

    Not surprisingly, SCO's language is pretty mushy here, but the wording, "have initiated or in the future may initiate" makes me believe that they're simply being prudent.

    Of course, the fact that they feel the need to mention regulator investigation says a great deal about the company, regardless.

    1. Re:Standard CYA by TheWizardOfCheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is standard operating procedure to include in SEC filings discussion of any factors that will or reasonably may negatively impact business.

      That is true, but some of these factors are more far-fetched and amusing than others. My all time favourite was the bubble company NetJ.com. I could never describe NetJ as well as Michael Lewis did here, but in summary, the documents NetJ filed with the SEC indicated that as a matter of policy, it had no business plan. However, the principal risk was not that no business would result in no profit; on the contrary, the main risk identified was competition.

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  21. Giggling by kristopher · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know I didn't think anything would make me giggle like a little girl. I was wrong.

    1. Re:Giggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your website makes me giggle like a little girl.

  22. My favorite quote from the article: by AnObfuscator · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Our stock price could decline further because of the activities of short sellers. Our stock has attracted the interest of short sellers. We believe the activities of short sellers have in the past and could in the future further reduce the price of our stock or inhibit increases in our stock price. " ha ha ha. Next on the Nature channel: How the activities of vultures and buzzards inhibit and reduce the activities an otherwise perfectly healthy wildebeest.

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    1. Re:My favorite quote from the article: by conteXXt · · Score: 1

      I smell a death spiral

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    2. Re:My favorite quote from the article: by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 1

      Followed by:

      "Delisting: when short-sellers attack".

    3. Re:My favorite quote from the article: by bill_kress · · Score: 2, Funny

      Son of a BITCH! How did I miss the idea of shorting SCO. Damn I feel stupid.

    4. Re:My favorite quote from the article: by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't worry about it.

      Unless you got it when it was at the $28.00 / share range, you'd have had a hard time finding a company willing to short it to you.

      I shorted it when it was at $5.13 on my stock simulation (simulator.investopedia.com) and made $3,630 virtual dollars on 3000 shares at current market value of $3.92. But, from what I understand, you wouldn't have been able to find anyone willing to short 3000 shares of SCOX in the past 2-3 years or so.

      ~Wx

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  23. SCENE: May 19th, 2007 by eno2001 · · Score: 0

    Walking down a street in Salt Lake City and you happen upon a homeless guy. He looks up and with stunned shock you say, "Hey! Didn't you used to be Darl McBride"? ;P

    Bwahahahahaha!!! I kill myself!!!

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    1. Re:SCENE: May 19th, 2007 by oirtemed · · Score: 1

      More like all the little people who will be crushed by this prolonged scam. Darl will be rich regardless.

    2. Re:SCENE: May 19th, 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bwahahahahaha!!! I kill myself!!!

      Promises, promises.

    3. Re:SCENE: May 19th, 2007 by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Again I say in the voice of the Great Cornholio: "are you threatening me"?!!

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      -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
    4. Re:SCENE: May 19th, 2007 by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      He looks up and with stunned shock you say, "Hey! Didn't you used to be Darl McBride"? ;P

      And then you start beating him with your laptop screaming "damn you and all those SCO stories on /. I had to metamoderate!!!"

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  24. Hear that? by cyclist1200 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the sound of the world's tiniest violin, playing just for SCO.

  25. This is perfectly normal. by Jerky+McNaughty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out the prospectus of any publically traded company. It's completely normal to list just about every possible thing that could happen to the company negatively which would affect shareholder value. Think of it as "cover your ass" material.

    Seriously, read the prospectus of a company you know and understand very well, such as a traditional retailer like Wal-Mart, Target, Borders, or Barnes and Noble. They'll list things like potential litigation, seasonal variances, competitors, natural disasters, affect of the institution of internet taxation on their business, etc., etc.

    So, this is SCO's way of trying to prevent a class action suit by shareholders in the event that they are sued by companies/persons in the Linux community.

    1. Re:This is perfectly normal. by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      There is always a certain amount of due diligence stuff in any filing or prospectus, but the amount of CYA is increasing and getting gloomier. Normally you don't put that "some Linux companies may sue us" or "the regulators may take action" unless you had been all but served with the papers.

      Normally this stuff is buried behind the good news or even the invented news, but SCO can't even manage that. Hahahahaha!

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    2. Re:This is perfectly normal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally you don't put that "some Linux companies may sue us" or "the regulators may take action" unless you had been all but served with the papers.

      No. If you HAVE been served with papers you need to disclose that. You must also disclose in these forms if there has been specific contact from the SEC.

      The ignorance of the basics here is quite overwhelming.

    3. Re:This is perfectly normal. by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      What part of "all but served" are you having difficulty reading?

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    4. Re:This is perfectly normal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know nothing about SEC investigations, do you?

      The exact process: THE SEC INFORMS THE COMPANY AN INVESTIGATION IS COMMENCING. There's no background investigation on the sly, no behind-the-scenes machinations. In short, there's nothing that would allow something to happen while all but serving the papers. Everything the SEC does is rather transparent because false rumors of an investigation can negatively effect a stock price.

  26. They got in over their heads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Canopy sued Microsoft and made a bundle without actually having to go to court. SCO was a Canopy company and both had Ralph Yarro as part of the organization.

    It was reasonable to assume that if they sued IBM over its use of UNIX, that IBM would also cave in and give them a bundle of cash. Given what the lawyers have cost so far, it would have been cheaper. Oops, IBM didn't cave.

    There are very serious issues involved in the SCO vs. IBM case which could have made many businesses worry about adopting Linux. IBM had bet the farm on Linux. IBM had no choice to fight.

    Not only did SCO not have a leg to stand on but it seriously looked like they were perpetrating a fraud. Their only chance to stay out of jail is to make it look like they really believed their claims about IBM. SCO, therefore, had no choice but to fight to the bitter end.

    What have we gotten out of this whole mess? Linux is unencumbered by anybody's copyrights. All doubt has been removed. The extra publicity may actually have promoted the uptake of Linux. We have gotten a wonderful legal education on Groklaw. We have been activated. A lot of people realize the importance of the next big fight (patents) and have started writing their congresscritters.

    So, thank you SCO. Good luck staying out of jail.

    1. Re:They got in over their heads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is unencumbered by anybody's copyrights.

      Please don't talk nonsense. Linux is encumbered by a great many people's copyrights, including Caldera/SCO. Everybody who is even remotely knowledgable on the subject agrees.

      We have gotten a wonderful legal education on Groklaw.

      Obviously not that wonderful.

    2. Re:They got in over their heads by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      It's comments like this that make you wish there was a +6

    3. Re:They got in over their heads by snakecoder · · Score: 1

      Geeze if you are not O'gara, it might as well be.

      1) Make a Sarcastic statement
      2) Don't back it up with facts.

      Hi MOG.

      unencumbered is contextual. unencumbered with respect to the GPL. Meaning, the GPL is riding free and clear because no UNAUTHORIZED copyrights have been shown to exist in Linux to date.

      wonderful is contextual as well. GL certainly has raised the ire of SCO and it's supporters. GL has also given the loudes "counter" voice to SCO. There are others now, but GL started the movement.

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    4. Re:They got in over their heads by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Given what the lawyers have cost so far, it would have been cheaper.
      I think it's all going according to plan. One of those lawyers, getting paid far more than would ever be expected based upon his level of experience, ir Darl's brother.
    5. Re:They got in over their heads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't think I had to back my comment up because it so oobvious to anybody with a brain.

      How about you download the Linux kernel and read through it for copyright notices? The Linux kernel is indeed encumbered by a great many copyrights. Get a clue.

      "unencumbered is contextual."

      The statement was "Linux is unencumbered by anybody's copyrights." That is very specific and very wrong.

  27. I hope the SEC is investigating by richg74 · · Score: 3, Informative
    I have thought this whole lawsuit was a crock since very shortly after it was filed, and that it was all about manipulating the stock price so that the insiders could sell.

    SCO's management claimed that the stock sales (which you can find on their Form 4 filings with the SEC) were part of a pre-arranged sale plan that had absolutely nothing to do with the litigation. The sale plan was filed two months before the lawsuit was filed. That sure seems plausible to me.

    I really hope someone nails these slimeballs.

    (P.S. I've posted several notes on /. about this; here's one from back in June 2003.)

  28. Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP by pg110404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Who modded this funny? Insightful, yes, Informative yes, but funny? I don't think there's anything funny about it.

    Through the use of cookies and ip addresses, I think /. should also limit AC posts to one every 10 or 30 minutes.

    If you want to be an AC, then exposure should be limited.

  29. Finally by Mensa+Babe · · Score: 1

    It is not what have been said but rather whom have it been said by that is really important here. We as a community of programmers, coders, hackers, engineers and otherwise intelligent people knew it from the beginning. We had no doubt. We avoided those pathetic scam artists like fire, we abandoned their products, we laughed at their employees (I even stopped visiting Santa Cruz every year for that matter) but let's face it: the uneducated masses kept happily buying their stock like there had been no yesterday. This time, however, we finally have got someone to refer our CEO to while talking about SCO, and who could possibly serve that purpose better than SEC? This is a very important step on our way to victory of the Freedom of Software. Kudos to everyone who kept fighting against those immoral bastards. Kudos to SEC, kudos to fellow Slashdotters, kudos to the Groklaw team, and especially kudos to Pamela Jones without whom the already inflated SCO stock would probably be worth twice as much today. Thanks Pamela!

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    1. Re:Finally by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I even stopped visiting Santa Cruz every year for that matter

      Why? Santa Cruz is not home of SCOX. SCOX is based in Lindon, UT. What used to be the Santa Cruz Operation (aka oldSCO) is now Tarantella, which was recently bought by Sun.

      OldSCO may not have been friendly towards Linux, but they weren't idiots. They simply had an outdated product, and they *did* adapt to the new world -- by selling their Unix business to Caldera (now SCOX), and by going with their thin client product (Tarantella).

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  30. SEC Investigating SCO? by jhines · · Score: 1

    Battle of the acronyms, film at 11.

    1. Re:SEC Investigating SCO? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      SCO is not an acronym anymore.

      It used to be an acronym for the "Santa Cruz Operation" (aka oldSCO). Then oldSCO sold their OS division to Caldera (though the paperwork is still missing). Later, Caldera renamed themselves "The SCO Group", allegedly to capitalize on the goodwill of the SCO name, but as we have seen, it was to sow confusion between oldSCO and SCOX.

      However, in "The SCO Group", the letters "SCO" don't stand for anything.

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  31. No SEC investigation by Alioth · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No, I don't think this means there is an SEC investigation or anything like it. Let's examine the (rather badly and unclearly written) statement:
    In addition, regulators or others in the Linux market and some foreign regulators have initiated or in the future may initiate legal actions against us, all of which may negatively impact our operations and future operating performance

    I parse this to mean the statement is true if one or more of the conditions are true now or in the future. We know that 'others in the Linux market' are already suing (RHAT, NOVL). However, the statement as it stands doesn't say that SCO are being prosecuted NOW by regulators, but they may in future be prosecuted by regulators.

    Therefore, I think the statement refers to the fact they are currently being sued by RHAT and NOVL, and might be prosecuted later by regulators (although this is not yet certain).
    1. Re:No SEC investigation by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      One thing I notice, however, is that this language did not appear until *after* the Canopy/SCO settlement (WRT Noorda family trust vs Yarro). Now it seems that Yarro is left holding his own bag.

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    2. Re:No SEC investigation by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      That does not make sense, the RHAT and NOVL lawsuits have been in place for a long time now.

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  32. This doesn't mean anything by DeathB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If there's any group out there who is claiming that they are doing something that the SEC is going to have to investigate, they need to disclose the risk to make a shareholder lawsuit less likely.

    If there is some risk that a company doesn't disclose, where there was some way for them to know that it was a posibility, they can be sued by shareholders if the stock goes down as a result of it comes true.

    You often find really silly risks listed in safe harbor statement like that. For example, Walmart lists as a risk that they may not be able to buy from certain vendors if political instability takes place in their country. They also disclose that they won't do as well if they can't hire good employees.

    Also, if they know about a SEC investigation or lawsuit against them, a company would usually give more information than that in a 10k (lest the SEC investigate them for the way they disclose their risks in their 10k).

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    1. Re:This doesn't mean anything by DeathB · · Score: 5, Interesting
      They also have more amusing risk factors than that one. (All text from SCO's current 10k)
      • We do not have a history of profitable operations.
      • We may not prevail in our SCO Litigation, which may adversely affect our business.
      • Our failure to timely file this Form 10-K, and our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended January 31, 2005 (as previously defined, the "Form 10-Q"), could result in the delisting of our common stock on The Nasdaq SmallCap Market.
      • Our Engagement Agreement with the Law Firms will require us to spend a significant amount of cash during fiscal year 2005 and could harm our liquidity position.
      • Our future SCOsource licensing revenue is uncertain.
      • We may lose the support of industry partners leading to an accelerated decline in our UNIX products and services revenue.
      • Our claims relating to our UNIX intellectual property may subject us to additional legal proceedings.
      • Fluctuations in our operating results or the failure of our operating results to meet the expectations of public market analysts and investors may negatively impact our stock price.
      • We operate in a highly competitive market and face significant competition from a variety of current and potential sources; many of our current and potential competitors have greater financial and technical resources than we do; thus, we may fail to compete effectively.
      • If the market for UNIX continues to contract, our business will be harmed.
      • We rely on our indirect sales channel for distribution of our products, and any disruption of our channel at any level could adversely affect the sales of our products.
      • Our Engagement Agreement with the Law Firms representing us to enforce our intellectual property rights may reduce our ability to raise additional financing.
      • Our foreign-based operations and sales create special problems, including the imposition of governmental controls and taxes and fluctuations in currency exchange rates that could hurt our results.
      • If we are unable to retain key personnel in an intensely competitive environment, our operations could be adversely affected.
      • We have issued shares and options under our Equity Compensation Plans that were not exempt from registration or qualification under federal and state securities laws, and, as a result, we may incur liability to repurchase such shares and options and may face additional potential claims under federal and state securities laws.
      • Our stock price is volatile.
      • There are risks associated with the potential exercise of our outstanding options.
      • The resale of common shares by BayStar may have an adverse impact on the market value of our stock and the existing holders of our common stock.
      • Our stock price could decline further because of the activities of short sellers.
      • The right of our board of directors to authorize additional shares of preferred stock could adversely impact the rights of holders of our common stock.
      • Our Stockholder Rights Plan could make it more difficult for a hostile bid for the Company or a change of control transaction to succeed at current market prices for our stock.

      FYI, the full text of the risk that Groklaw is quoting from:

      Our claims relating to our UNIX intellectual property may subject us to additional legal proceedings.

      In August 2003, Red Hat brought a lawsuit against us asserting that the Linux operating system does not infringe on our UNIX intellectual property rights and seeking a declaratory judgment for non-infringement of copyrights and no misappropriation of trade secrets. In addition, Red Hat claims we have engaged in false advertising in violation of the Lanham Act, decept

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    2. Re:This doesn't mean anything by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1
      "You often find really silly risks listed in safe harbor statement like that."

      Yes, everyone who ever read in an SEC filing knows that. But it is not so usual to see investigations mentioned in those.

      "Also, if they know about a SEC investigation or lawsuit against them, a company would usually give more information than that in a 10k"

      Well, yeah, since when is SCOX known for complying to those rules? :)

  33. See? by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is what happens when corrupt corporations stop paying off the SEC.

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  34. Bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're right about profitability but completely wrong about share price. Shares are initially issued to raise capital. After that it's a secondary market and they fight among themselves for how much the shares are worth. Profit not share price should be the determining factor for the corporation.

    It used to be that the two were related, profit divided as dividends was the the primary motivation for determining share price - or the potential to control the company via the votes accrued. Now that it's all speculative - stockholders have hijacked the original purpose of the corporation which was a *business* to make money. This has led to SCO, HP, Nortel, Time Warner/AOL etc where short term decisions to help the stock price have resulted in long term harm to the corporation's viability and profitability.

    I'm not saying that this is wrong either - but it really isn't very good for the economy overall when otherwise productive businesses are gutted to be made more appealing to the sucker buyer. The worst excesses (SCO, ENRON) should probably be punished. But there's not much that can be done about it as long as there are fools that want to get in on the sinking ship...

    1. Re:Bogus by harrkev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This *IS* wrong. What has happened is that long-term thinking has gone away. We live in the world of the disposable CEO who has a lot of stock options. A CEO is much better off to think five quarters ahead rather than 10 years. "R&D? Naaaaaa. That won't pay off for another ten years. I will only be here for another five." HP is the perfect example.

      The internet has also allowed stockholders to be the same way. 20 years ago, it was almost impossible to be a "day trader" and check on your stocks all of the time (unless you were doing it for a living). You had the newspaper with its once-a-day prices, and that's it. People also tended to hang on to stocks for a long time.

      But you are right about not being able to do anything about it, short of a re-education program for investors.

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    2. Re:Bogus by spells · · Score: 1

      But you are right about not being able to do anything about it, short of a re-education program for investors.

      Why would you want to educate other investors? When bad investors are making mistakes good investors take advantage. If you believe companies will be more successful thinking for the long-term, invest in like-minded companies. If the companies don't exist, put together a business case and compete.

      It sounds like your blaming the internet for poor investment decisions - more detailed and faster information should not lead to poor judgement.

  35. Common mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think every single annual report I have ever read contains a very similar statement. The first time I saw it in my own company's report I freaked out, thinking that it referred to some specific, impending doom. A more senior business person clued me in that every company says that as protection (CYA, if you will), i.e. should they lose a lawsuit, they can claim that they already warned investors, stakeholders, et. al.

  36. Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP by RealityMogul · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ok, I give up. Is/was "trolltalk" a real article as some point? Why/how does it link to goatse.cx?

  37. Timeline by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1
    "The sale plan was filed two months before the lawsuit was filed. That sure seems plausible to me."

    This is one of those moments I wish there were sarcasm tags on /. Not sure if you meant waht you wrote, so anyway, here comes my answer :)

    Look at this thread starting with a post by Quatermass of Groklaw fame. There he writes:

    "In January 2003, O'Gara published an article about SCO's plans to monetize their IP allegedly in Linux. This was two months before SCO sued IBM. This was six months before SCO announced their Linux IP licensing program. This was long before SCO had made any public statements about their plans for licensing Linux, or alleged infringements in Linux."

    And an AC replies with the insightful "Securities laws prohibit purchases and sales of securities on the basis of material non-public information."

  38. Naysayers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody remember any editorials/posts by people who took the position that SCO had a legitimite gripe when they first announced that Linux stole their code? You know, the people who said "SCO is just protecting what is theirs, etc."?

  39. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a serious flaw, everyone should know about it. I can't believe it's not on the /. frontpage yet!!!!!

  40. We've been what? by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have been activated.

    Wonder geek powers, activate! Form of: an 800lb. gorrilla! Form of: a tidal wave of litigation!

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  41. Hmmmm by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 2, Informative
    "[...] this is routine boilerplate language for an SEC filing [...]"

    There is only one other company who's financial situation I followed the last years: AAPL. I just checked some of their SEC filings for similar sentences and: Nope, couldn't find anything like this.

    1. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From the latest AAPL 10-Q:
      Should the Company fail to prevail in any of these legal matters or should several of these legal matters be resolved against the Company in the same reporting period, the operating results of a particular reporting period could be materially adversely affected.


      Try reading GOOG's risk factors sometime, makes AAPL reports sound warm and fuzzy.
    2. Re:Hmmmm by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1

      As I said elsewhere it is pretty normal for big corporations to be involved in lawsuits. It's the "regulators" part, that is interesting, as well as some timing.

  42. The Wheels of Justice Turn Slow by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Interesting
    We've been speculating that the whole thing was a pump'n'dump since day 1. I personally found it a little too coincidental that a couple of days before the lawsuit was announced, a lot of people in high places at SCO were issued a heaping helping of SCO stock options for pennies on the dollar. Issuing options is a perfectly normal business operation, of course, but I personally thought the timing was a little too good.

    Anyway, I don't foresee a serious SEC investigation until the lawsuit is settled. It would be a waste of resources to start an investigation when all that really needs to be done is to sift through the broken remants of a case. If a judge dismisses the case because SCO never had any more evidence than "It looks like UNIX so they must have copied it!" then I expect the SEC would crawl up SCO's ass with a microsope at that point.

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    1. Re:The Wheels of Justice Turn Slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Government. Big Business.

      If you're an aspiring white-collar criminal, those two entities are really the only game in town.

    2. Re:The Wheels of Justice Turn Slow by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1

      Oh, wait--I forgot organized religion.

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    3. Re:The Wheels of Justice Turn Slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we turn that into a pointed microscope instead?

  43. Sell? by rwven · · Score: 1

    Now would seem like the ideal time for anyone investing in SCO to sell everything they have in it because i fear it's probably not going to be going back up...

    1. Re:Sell? by gsv123 · · Score: 1

      The only sad thing about all of this that I can't short their stock, it's already too low...

  44. 2 thoughts spring to mind.... by AsimovBesterClarke · · Score: 1

    > It was reasonable to assume

    1) must be some definition of reasonable I'm unfamiliar with.

    2) what every phys. ed. says with respect to the word assume.

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    1. Re:2 thoughts spring to mind.... by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      > 2) what every phys. ed. says with respect to the word assume.

      Actually I think the origin of this saying was an episode of 'The Odd Couple' back in the 70's.

      Felix Unger (Tony Randall) was "defending" Oscar Madison (Jack Klugman) and part of his defense was making Oscar look like an ass.

      When Oscar said 'I assumed', Felix wrote ASSUME on a chalkboard and circled 'ASS', 'U', 'ME' while explaining the now-familiar joke.

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  45. You just summed up by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... everything that's wrong with business.
    The corporation's responsibility is working in the best interest of their shareholders - everything short of breaking the law in order to turn a profit for those who own stock. If that means suing a company just to stay relevant, so be it.

    The problem with that is not "morality" (whatever that means for a business), but efficiency and effectiveness. Efficacy. Viability.

    A company should exist to provide the best products it can to as many customers as it can. In the long run, that will provide the most return for shareholders. Be customer driven, not shareholder driven, and you will have both.

    Trying to run the company to please the shareholders is like driving a car down the highway looking back in the rear view mirror. You may stay on the road, but be careful when passing, and those toll booths are really tough.

    A business is only bound to stoop to whatever depths their bylaws and SEC filings say. When Google puts in their paperwork that they won't be evil (and they spell out what they mean), it allows them to make decisions based on morality and ethics as they define them. Prospective stock buyers are informed, and can't demand that Google be anything else.

    Not that Google is the standard - I'm just using that as an example. It's possible to run a company within guidelines of good citizenship. Most executives would rather just take the money, it seems.

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    1. Re:You just summed up by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Trying to run the company to please the shareholders is like driving a car down the highway looking back in the rear view mirror.

      Close, but to really understand it, you would have to drive down the road staring at the part just in front of the car instead of ranging in and out to 100 meters or so up the road like you are supposed to. It's a really really good way to get in an accident, so I don't actually recommend that you try it. Nevertheless, I think it's a very accurate comparison to running a company that is shareholder-driven.

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  46. But "similar" is the point by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 3, Informative
    "Similar" doesn't mean "the same".

    "LNUX and RHAT filings also contain similar template language[...]"

    Just checked the last LNUX filing and found sentences like: "The Company is subject to various claims and legal actions arising in the ordinary course of business." I bet you'll find stuff like that in the filings of a lot of listed companies, but I didn't find mentions of "legal actions" "initiated" by "regulators".

  47. Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're probably referring to nearly getting delisted for failing to file their financials. Being SCO/Canopy, they're just putting the maximum "hard done by" spin on it.

  48. Wrong company!!! by Xtifr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll ignore your confusion over "Santa Clara" vs. "Santa Cruz", since several others have corrected you already. But the Santa Cruz Operation (now Tarantella, recently purchased by Sun) is a completely different company! This "SCO" is "The SCO Group". The "SCO" in their name doesn't stand for anything; their name is simply "The SCO Group".

    This "SCO" was formerly known as Caldera, and they were originally formed to create a desktop environment (the "Caldera Network Desktop" or CND) for Linux. And they helped fund the creation of Red Hat, in order to have a stable base for the CND. Later, they decided to go their own way, and forked the Red Hat distro to make their own Linux distro ("Caldera OpenLinux"). Then they bought some assets (vague and unspecified, but definitely including the "SCO" trademark) from the Santa Cruz Operation, changed their name, started pretending they'd never heard of Linux before, and sued IBM.

    1. Re:Wrong company!!! by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      I'll ignore your confusion over "Santa Clara" vs. "Santa Cruz"

      Too late ;) Because there is not enough mod redudants around. When you get five e-mails all regarding the same thing, you have got to wonder which mod is not using their points wisely :D

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  49. Ignorance of the law by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This statement means next to nothing. The whole point of this section of SEC filings is ass-covering. Corporations list everything they can think of that might make their share price decline, so they can point to that statement when/if someone later accuses them of covering up the fact that it was coming.

    Sure, it's a fun place to dig up speculative dirt, but that's all it is: speculation, and anyone who reads an SEC filing without this basic understanding of what he's actually looking at is... the kind of person who posts stories like this to Slashdot.

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  50. Three-letter acronyms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? SEC investigating SCO? LOL!

    1. Re:Three-letter acronyms by lliinnuuxxlover · · Score: 1

      You can add OMG to the list too!

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  51. Sigh by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1
    "[...]every single annual report I have ever read contains a very similar statement"

    I tend to repeat myself, but I can't remember mentions of "legal actions" "initiated" by "regulators" in the filings I read.

  52. You almost made it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    but then on the final you had to end it with Linux is unencumbered by anybody's copyrights. and make a complete fool out of yourself.

    How many clue-by-four are required to make some people understand that the only bloody thing that makes projects like Linux possible IS copyright and someone having the copyright for some stuff?

    If noone had any copyright to any of the Linux code, it would be public domain. Don't fool yourself, and PLEASE STOP spreading such crap as if it was a fact. Be humble, or get an education.

    1. Re:You almost made it... by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      I think the keyword here is "unencumbered". He does not say that Linux is not copyright protected. But that it is unencumbered by anybody's copyright. Given the context I simply took that to mean that the code is not infringing on anybody's copyrights.

    2. Re:You almost made it... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is an important point, but it seemed obvious to me that the original poster merely didn't consider the terms of the GPL to be an "encumberance" (which, so long as you don't want to try to add additional restrictions to the rights granted to people that you redistribute to, they aren't really). I didn't get that the poster was trying to assert the Linux was public domain.

      It's just a matter of semantics, but there is a difference between being "protected" and being "encumbered"...

    3. Re:You almost made it... by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      "How many clue-by-four are required to make some people understand that the only bloody thing that makes projects like Linux possible IS copyright and someone having the copyright for some stuff?"

      Only one, and for best results, it should come in the form of a whopping huge bankrupting settlement against some large, well-funded corporation, which transfers all their assets to the FSF after being found guilty of repeated intentional copyright violations.

      That's the only clue-by-four that would ever be needed, and it would be the last time anyone ever questioned the legal authority of copyright law as it is reserved under the GPL.

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  53. Caption: *Iron Fists of Fury* by MikkoApo · · Score: 1

    I can see the manga strip already :)

  54. Nice by Weezul · · Score: 1

    That is perhaps the funniest investment related quote I've seen on /. :)

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  55. Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 1

    Won't work...you can delete a cookie at anytime and you can use any number of open proxies to route messages thru...

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    The NSA: The only part of the US government that actually listens.
  56. Ideally maybe..... by UncleAwesome · · Score: 1

    But thats not how it works now. The long term interest of shareholders should be what the senior management should strive for. But in today corporations shareholders interest comes in 3rd. Senior management first real goal is to inflate short term profits so their options and bonuses kick in. However after awhile, alot of companies falter on this steroid type of mentality, then management work out deals to save the bondholders. Shareholders are suppose to have power through the board of directors who are supppose to be independant of senior management. Unfortunately, those two groups are conflated in modern times so the shareholder interests are only a secondary concern.

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  57. Interesting Paul Murphy article editorial on by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 0, Troll

    SCO-IBM
    IBM-Linux
    SCO-Linux
    minix-linux

    go read it...

  58. Unless something has changed, I doubt it by anomaly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some time last year I got fed up with the irritation that is SCO. I got interested to see if the SEC was digging into what seems to be false claims on their part. It seems that the SEC does not offer any information publicly about ongoing investigations.

    Since I didn't know what, if anything, was happening, I reported them to the SEC. I was shocked to get a call the NEXT DAY from a man who identifdied himself as an attorney with the SEC. We spoke for about 45 minutes. At the conclusion of the conversation, he indicated that he thought he understood my issues with them - their apparent lies, their seeming stock manipulation, etc but doubted that he could proceed without more specific information about how they knowingly lied to the public.

    If sufficient evidence was produced, he seemed interested in protecting the public from abusive corporate officers. He was not satisfied with what I offered him.

    Unless someone has subsequently provided more and better evidence than what I knew about as an interested observer, it is doubtful that the SEC proceeded.

    I was displeased that I was unable to move them to action.

    Regards,
    Anomaly

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    But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
    1. Re:Unless something has changed, I doubt it by tgeller · · Score: 1

      Don't feel too bad: Your actions doubtlessly made a difference by raising the SEC's consciousness level "through the system". You deserve credit for taking the time to do so.

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      Tom Geller
    2. Re:Unless something has changed, I doubt it by jbolden · · Score: 1

      You didn't get to see the presentation. Others did. It is highly likely the contents of that presentation were fraudulant. Also we have the first insider from SCO stepping forward

      Christopher Hewigg (the guy ported sysvfs from coherent, did parts of JFS....) that he was doing this for Caldera (remember that JFS is a key part they claim IBM "stole" if Caldera itself was assisting in the effort and this was policy (i.e. Hewigg wasn't a rogue employee...)

      PM for the project to get Linux binaries to run on Unixware believes that they were violated the GPL and that both SCO and Caldera knew this.

      etc...

  59. And then read the comments to that article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to see why Paul Murphy either knows nothing about what he's talking about, or maybe he's just a paid shill. It's that clueless an editorial.

  60. Grok this! by frozenray · · Score: 1
    Quoting from SCOs SEC filing:
    In the operating system market, our competitors include IBM, Red Hat, Novell, Hewlett-Packard Co., Sun Microsystems, Inc. ("Sun"), Microsoft Corp. ("Microsoft") and other Linux distributors. These and other competitors are aggressively pursuing the current UNIX operating system market.
    Too bad it's probably just sloppy wording rather than Microsoft ditching Longhorn and going F/OSS (or even "aggressively pursuing the current UNIX operating system market"). 8-)

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  61. Ummmmm Copyright.... by avidday · · Score: 1
    >Linux is unencumbered by anybody's copyright
    Err the Linux kernel is completely encumbered by standard copyright law - every contributor to the linux kernel retains copyright over the code and grants additional usage rights to those who choose to abide by the GNU GPL. Some of those copyrights have been assigned to Linus Torvalds, some to the FSF. They are modified by the additional rights the GPL affords, but the copyrights exist and are enforceable.
  62. What part of this was unclear to you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Yes, this sort of business news is standard, but the specifics are new. You don't write about possible legal entanglements unless there is a possibility of that happening. Up until now, no one can recall these particular warnings showing up in a SCO filing. That's what's newsworthy here, and worth commenting on.

    SCO has not done this before. It's hardly standard for them. So your anti-SCO/Groklaw slam is misinformed and misguided.

  63. More interesting information than that by isn't+my+name · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To be fair, the Yahoo financial boards are rife with spam, garbage, and deliberate misinformation.

    Yep. And the only difference between a normal Yahoo board and the SCOX board in that respect is it is the pumpers who primarily spew the garbage and deliberate misinformation moreso than the dumpers. The board is mostly filled with noise.

    And the site in your post merely notes a few hits from Caldera sites - that could very easily be a worker checking the message boards for clues about what's going on with SCO, not neccessarily any monitoring by SCO management.

    As the person responsible for the site in question, I think there is a bit more there than that. In fact, the Caldera information is the least interesting page there and something I actually regret having posted.

    Of more interest is the examination of a fund manager who had invested in SCO and how he reacted when the SCOForum 2003 code that SCO showed was shown to be utter bunk in under 24 hours. The story of how that fund manager acted and what happened to the shareprice is much more interesting than caldera.com webhits.

    Or, there is my guess (informed by Yahoo SCOX discussion) on the early timeline--back in the summer and fall of 2002 before SCO went public with anything. I happen to think that Morgan Keegan was likely the entity that brought in both MS and Boies.

    More recently, there is an interesting reverse merger related to a currently private Redmond, Washington based company that SCOX has at least a 10% ownership of. I suspect it is a backdoor attempt to get some money into SCO's coffers so they can continue a bit longer.

    It is speculation and could very well be wrong--but it is also information I haven't seen anywhere else and is definitely not "spam, garbage, [or] deliberate misinformation."

  64. Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP by SysSupport · · Score: 1

    Too lazy to post a link, so search for Trolltalk on Wikipedia. Apparently, someone has been crapflooding the trolls hidden SID.

  65. Can't Touch This by jimbonics · · Score: 1

    SCO owns Unix and therefore immune from SEC federal Investigations. In other recent news, Al Gore created the internet.

    1. Re:Can't Touch This by humankind · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but your ignorant post pisses me off. If you want to be stupid and continue to propagate rumors that Al Core invented the Internet keep that tripe to your circle of small-minded sheep.

      Your joke doesn't work because Al Gore never said he created, nor invented the Internet, but SCO has claimed they own portions of Unix.

      Get your facts right before you embarass yourself on an International scale.

    2. Re:Can't Touch This by jimbonics · · Score: 1
      My name is Jim Isaacs and I live at 5704 Adams Ave in Austin Texas. If you think your reply embarasses me, you're sorely mistaken.

      True or not, it's a joke that's commonly used. You Sir, take yourself a little too seriously. Another Democrat fed up with lies and the lying liars who tell them. CALM YOURSELF MAN!

      Next time you try to flame me, at least spell Al's last name Gore, and not Core.

      Get your spelling straight before you embarass yourself on an international scale, Toad.

      (sarcasm)nice nickname btw...(/sarcasm)

    3. Re:Can't Touch This by jimbonics · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Hahahah! In the very article you link me to to debunk my comment...

      "Gore never claimed to have "invented" the Internet. What he said was: During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

      So my joke works after all.. because I did say CREATE and not INVENT.

      go chomp on a baby ruth from the swimming pool.

    4. Re:Can't Touch This by humankind · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I have a low tolerance for brain dead, partisian political propaganda.

      PS. I love the way rather than acknowledge that you're spreading misinformation, you just admit you're from Texas. Point taken.

    5. Re:Can't Touch This by humankind · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Go look up the word "initiative" texan.

      I know that's too many syllables and it makes your brain hurt, but give it a try anyway.

      Also, it's ironic you criticize me for a typo, when you obviously don't have a solid understanding of the English language.

    6. Re:Can't Touch This by jimbonics · · Score: 1

      First, I voted for Gore. Second, Austin Texas isn't simply Texas. partisian political propaganda?!?!? BAHAHAHA. Eat a valium, joe. If I am a stereotypical Texan, you are the stereotypical slashdot asshole.

    7. Re:Can't Touch This by jimbonics · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Wow you really are a cockmuncher aren't you? Such a small minded individual to assume anyone from Texas is dumb. lesse... in Austin alone... AMD Dell Microsoft Samsung Motorola/Freescale/Metrowerks/StarCore ARM Cirrus Logic Sigmatel etc... And yet you're STILL pissed Gore lost the election. take a looke at the following map Joe... http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vot e2004/countymap.htm Notice that little lone blue dot in the heart of Texas? That's Austin. Get a little edu-ma-cation before you rip an entire state. Oh by the way... we are the only state in the union that's allowed to fly our state flag at the same height as the US flag.

    8. Re:Can't Touch This by humankind · · Score: 1

      I may be a stereotypical slashdot asshole. That remains to be seen.

      In any case, I'll be working at Kerrville, so let me know if you want to have coffee (or in my case, decaf - LOL)

    9. Re:Can't Touch This by jimbonics · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Truly sorry to hear about Kerrville. It's podunks like that that give Texas it's redneck, 10-gallon hat, oil-rig image.

      Plenty of coffe in Austin, and you have my address ;)

    10. Re:Can't Touch This by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      I love the hill country! Nothing wrong with Kerrville, and there is still some open real estate there.

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    11. Re:Can't Touch This by dickrichardv8 · · Score: 1

      That little dot blown up with Photoshop looks just like an arm pit. My buddy spent his Navy duty in Norfolk and he thought that was the armpit of the U.S.A. so maybe things have changed. Please, separate flames into catigories of (1) Navy (2) Norfolk (3) Photoshop (4) armpits (5) U.S.A. (6) Austin (7) Texas (8) buddys.

  66. This doesn't mean anything ... or does it? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    They also have more amusing risk factors than that one. (All text from SCO's current 10k)

    You forgot one:

    ZZZ. We are Evil. We have crossed over to the Dark Side and will be eventually defeated by the Forces of Good.

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  67. Don't underestimate the power of the geek by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We have been activated.

    Wonder geek powers, activate! Form of: an 800lb. gorrilla! Form of: a tidal wave of litigation!

    Actually, if anyone remembers, it was the tidal wave of slashdot-expanded open source coders that got the SEC to force the Red Hat stock to be pulled out of the pockets of stock manipulators and reissued to the open source Friends and Family group of IPO stock.

    So, don't underestimate the power of the good side of the geek ... it is far, far stronger than the dark side of the stock manipulator.

    Trust the Geek, Luke.

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  68. Re:Paul Murphy FUD article editorial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a collection of old regurgitated fallacies that have been floating around since 2003. If this is an example of Mr. Murphy's research and writing capabilities, than I'd group him with Enderle, Didio, Brown, & O'Gara. Move along. Nothing to see here, folks...

  69. Scrumpox by FellowConspirator · · Score: 1

    Every time I see SCOX, I think "scrumpox". My jewels itch just thinking about it...

  70. Some defintion of morality? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I thought companies were created to organize people to produce useful goods and services.

    I don't know in which planet it would be morally acceptable to be a bunch of social parasites making money out of the loopholes of a porous legal system.

    When the new pope talked about moral relativism I am sure he had in mind this kind of attitude, not having the balls to condemn something obviously morally unnacceptable: these people are deceiving willfully others.

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  71. Re:Good chance of it being a scam (Troll?) by hostyle · · Score: 1

    That was me. My keyboard is unplugged and my mouse is on the blink. Would it help if I said sorry?

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  72. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thousands of geeks simulateously ejaculated their splooge onto their screens.

    Eww!?

  73. Re:Paul Murphy FUD article editorial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a FUD article. Of course if you didn't read it...

    Pray tell, what fallacies does Murphy offer?

  74. Slam Dunk, remember Bre-X by javamagnoman · · Score: 1

    Remember Bre-X, the Canadian mining Company that claimed to have made a huge gold strike, but the assays were falsified? Insiders knew this and were prosecuted accordingly, but making the false claims was a crime in itself and prosecuted as such. Why is SCO any different? SCO should be held to the same standards as Bre-X, or any publicly traded mining co. It made the claim that it had a chance to make a large/fantastic amount of money from the near unlimited goldmine that is IBM. Shouldn't an independant and accurate assesment of the value and the percentage chance of it's winning that claim be required as well? Darl and his insider buddies obviously knew it was a snowballs chance, and sold their shares as quickly as possible. Why should Joe investor be denied that knowledge?

    1. Re:Slam Dunk, remember Bre-X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why is SCO any different?"

      Make your case. What specific crime are you going to allege, and what is your evidence?

      "Everybody knows they are full of shit"
      is not evidence.

    2. Re:Slam Dunk, remember Bre-X by GebsBeard · · Score: 1

      I was up in vancouver visiting family when that story broke and read about it in the vancouver sun. I recall the scientist in charge took a header out of a helicopter. If and when the roof crashes on SCO you can bet people will lose their lives in the fallout.

  75. That may be false. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    SCO held the license to issue licenses for other Unix vendors. In addition, they are claiming that they own Unix. But if the Novell stuff proves out, Novell will hold total control over Unix, and has the right to revoke the issuing from SCO. And they have already said that SCO no longer has the right to issue unix licenses. If so, SCO is nothing but paper. And very very very expensive paper.

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  76. Murphy's Fallacies... by badbrownie · · Score: 1

    A cursory reading offers 2 major fallacies immediately to one with only a perfunctory knowledge of the case.

    1) The crazy idea that SCO can prevail simply by demonstrating that anyone associated with the AT&T effort was also associated with Linux development. This seems to be the basis of the first half of the article. It's ridiculous. It would imply that no-one can work in the same industry as the company they've left for fear of using a memory that was formed at the previous company. Nonsense. The reason this avenue wasn't pursued in the lawsuit, is that it's a cul-de-sac.

    2) The fact that minix doesn't show up in Linux doesn't mean it wasn't once in Linux and got refactored out. Ergo, not finding UNIX code in Linux is a poor defense indeed. This argument is the second half of the article. Well, it's ridiculous also. Minix was 5000 lines long. A tiny fraction of UNIX. The idea that natural refactoring would result in ALL of the original code being lost will be looked upon with great suspicion by anyone who's ever supported legacy code. And should be responded to with 'then what evidence DO you have?'

    In short the article says that the fact that SCO has no evidence should not lead people to believe their claims are baseless. It either reads as professional trolling ("You, Murphy, write me 2000 words on why SCO are justified. Let's boil some blood out there") or funded PR/journalism.

    1. Re:Murphy's Fallacies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read it as Murphy talking in hypothetical terms.

      1) He's talking about specific code related to specific function, not general functionality. It's possible sometimes unavoidable to independently develop the same code. This is why clean room development is used. If you want the same functionality as is achieved by someone elses code you CYA by following the clean room approach, This way any bits that can only be done one way are clearly independent and not 'copied' and he used Compaq and, IIRC, Pheonix Bios as an example. You forget that the argument revolves around AT&T code for specific function being in IBM product. Morphy goes on to say that this would only apply to 390 code in any case and the linux bits came from another project. No FUD there as far as Linux goes. Maybe a bit over some legacy IBM 390 stuff but not for independent 370 code.

      2)Minix > Linux is used as an example of a case where clean room is not required. The factors originate from code over which there will never be any dispute.

      Perhaps I misunderstood Murphy's writing? USA public schoolong and all that by way of excuse...

  77. What about Germany? This really such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this really such a big deal? That ominous sounding "foreign regulators" stuff might merely be referring to the action in Germany which forced SCO to stop talking trash about Linux's alleged illegitimacy there.

    I'm not saying there mightn't be some MORE fire somewhere with all this SEC smoke, but people, let's keep perspective. This could merely be a description of regulatory trouble we already know all about.

  78. Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, I post numerous insightful, funny comments!

  79. Re:Paul Murphy FUD article editorial... by spinel · · Score: 1

    Paul skips over several requirements for SCOX to have a valid case. They must prove they own copyright. Must show copyright to which code ATT might have transfered to Novell. Must show Novell transfered copyright to oldSCO. Must show old SCO transfered copyright to newSCO. Must show newSCO owns copyright to code that IBM developed. Must show Linux contains code that infringes protected code from newSCO. Instead he raises completely irrelavant arguments as if newSCO owns appropriate copyrights so these technologies must be reverse engineered. Where are the documents for all of these tranfers and most important of all when did IBM transfer copyright for code it develped to either oldSCO or newSCO. What a worthless article.

  80. Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    sid 20721 : here

  81. Inalienable Rights aren't freedom either by Morosoph · · Score: 1
    Re: .sig (at time of posting):
    Democracy isn't Freedom. Inalienable Rights are. Democracy is only a precondition for Inalienability of Rights
    Inalienable Rights aren't freedom either. I'll give you that democracy isn't freedom, though. Consider the right to property. If you're libertarian, you'll need a stronger example: consider the right to intellectual property, such as to patent a new piece of software. Here, where the cost-benefit analysis comes out negative, it becomes clear that the freedom to code is in opposition to the right to property. Freedom is about unrestricted use of one's limbs, speech, and mind.

    Naturally, we find property so useful in building society that it is nearly universally granted as a right, at least in the case of exclusive resources. This begins to make sense when you consider freedom as including future plans, so that having a known body of exclusive resources to hand becomes an important part of it, but we do not make property out of air, which although plentiful, is also exclusive (although we do create tradeable pollution permits) because the transaction cost is greater than the gain in investment.

    Similar tradeoffs occur elsewhere. Rights are actually restictions upon other's freedoms, and far from being inalienable, are the result of long evolution, yielding an approximately utilitarian result, resulting in very roughly "the greatest freedom of the greatest number".

    I'll agree with you that government, all too often, moves us away from this optimum, though.