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The Diagnostic 'Bugbot'

Roland Piquepaille writes "The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that a robot combined with a swallowable camera could give doctors a better look inside the small intestine. This medical robot, dubbed 'bugbot,' is being developed at Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) in its NanoRobotics Laboratory. It will measure less than 800 nanometers in diameter and will transmit thousands of images during its trip inside yourself with its embedded camera. With the six legs attached to the microrobot, CMU researchers want to give more control to camera operators, such as coming back to a suspected lesion. This robot should be ready for human inspection within 2 to 3 years and opens the way for future nanorobots. This overview contains more details about this project."

138 comments

  1. Those Few Last Few Minutes... by geomon · · Score: 3, Funny

    at the end of the food chute are going to look rough in the editing room.

    I'd heard that someone had developed a device like this a few years back, but the thing that I wondered about was control. I guess the early models were the ones that I had heard about, because they didn't have any external operational control.

    I hope the bug pulls its legs out before the big exit.

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    1. Re:Those Few Last Few Minutes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fantastic Voyage meets Tubgirl! Whee!

    2. Re:Those Few Last Few Minutes... by Toloran · · Score: 1

      Yeah, A few years ago (it was on the front page of one of the Oregonian sections. Why, i don't know). It was basically a pill with an LED and a tiny camera. You swallowed the pill (no chewing!) and it transmitted pictures of your insides.

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    3. Re:Those Few Last Few Minutes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As is usual for geomon, this is among the stupidest fucking things that have been said this year. There are NOT food chutes looking rough in the editing room and what the hell is he talking about not having "any external operational control" of bug legs?

  2. A Real Pain in the ...... by rueger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, having just experienced my very first colonoscopy I must say this development leaves me with mixed feelings.

    One one hand this "bug" is way smaller than what explored my nether regions.

    On the other hand the drugs that they gave me at the clinic while doing the procedure were very good!

    1. Re:A Real Pain in the ...... by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      Lucky you, I only got osme KY. No drugs or numbing at all. :(

    2. Re:A Real Pain in the ...... by rhuntley12 · · Score: 1

      Did you notice both the doctors hands on your shoulders?

    3. Re:A Real Pain in the ...... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      My father told me he was going to the doctor for a colonoscopy. Calmly, he said, "Son, the doctor is going to find out something that I've kept secret all these years." Not knowing any better, I bit by asking, "What's that?" He grinned, and said, "I'm still a virgin."

      "Tommy the Barber",08.04.29-05.10.05

  3. 800 nm ??? by BurntNickel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    800 nanometers seems way too small. That's on the order of one wavelength of visible light. I think someone got the units wrong.

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    1. Re:800 nm ??? by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      That was my thought, since I have a laser that's at 532nm
      They obviously don't mean mm, since that'd be... ah, rather large, so I imagine it's inbetween.

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    2. Re:800 nm ??? by VoidWraith · · Score: 1

      Thats true. From what we see of hardware these days, things don't get much more accurate than 90nm processes, and something as complex as this would need much more fine construction. Its possible to create something on the scale of 800 nm, but it wouldn't be something that could be mass produced. (They'd probably want to rescue the little bot for re-use...)

    3. Re:800 nm ??? by jackcarter · · Score: 1

      I think visible light is measured in angstroms (spelling?), which are 10^(-10)m, and nanometers are 10^(-6). So about 10,000 wavelengths of visible light (though I think one is about 5000 angstroms, so perhaps only 1600 wavelenghts, but that's still quite a bit more than one. Someone check my work, please.

    4. Re:800 nm ??? by Silverlancer · · Score: 1

      A nanometer is 10^-9, a micrometer is 10^-6. Wrong units.

    5. Re:800 nm ??? by volsung · · Score: 1
      Nope. Visible light is in the range 380-740 nm.

      Some (usually older in my experience) devices do use angstroms for the display of light wavelengths, but they have 4 digit displays (since you just add a zero to go from nanometers to angstroms).

    6. Re:800 nm ??? by toggles · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      iamnotalawyer

      (the lameness filter bitched about 'junk' characters so I pulled a few)

      hash include stdio.h
      int main(void)
      open curley brace
      FILE *fp=stdin;
      int i,n=0;;

      while((i=fgetc(fp))!=-1)
      open curley brace
      if(!isspace(i))
      open curley brace
      n n|=i=='0'?0:1;
      close curly brace
      else
      open curly brace
      printf("%c",(char)n);
      n=0;
      close curly brace
      close curly brace
      return(0);
      close curly brace

    7. Re:800 nm ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 800 millimeters. See the picture from TFA:
      http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20050530smscis itti01_230.jpg

    8. Re:800 nm ??? by uhlume · · Score: 1

      800mm is .8 meters -- well over two and a half feet.

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    9. Re:800 nm ??? by ase · · Score: 1

      Yeah, how about micrometers (10^-6 meters) instead? That would give this thing a diameter of about 0.8 millimeters, which is a lot more believable. Still pretty small for a camera.

    10. Re:800 nm ??? by TyrelHaveman · · Score: 1

      If you visit the story that's linked to in the post, there's a photograph of the unit. It's about 2 finger-widths long on the guy's hand, which is probaly about 20-30mm. So who really knows...

    11. Re:800 nm ??? by X0563511 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, 800mm is 0.8cm

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    12. Re:800 nm ??? by Hank+the+Lion · · Score: 1

      No, 800mm is 0.8cm

      I always have trouble how to moderate a comment line this.
      Troll? Maybe.
      Flamebait? It invites flames, but...
      Completely clueless? That fits perfectly, but isn't a moderation option!

    13. Re:800 nm ??? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      There's no way I can think of to get to that size with the number 800 in any unit...

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    14. Re:800 nm ??? by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. Those units MUST be wrong.

      800.0 mm (millimeters)
      Any mechanical bug this big belongs on the
      battlefield, not in a clinical setting.

      80.0 mm (millimeters)
      That is one big bug. It doesn't need 6 legs,
      it needs tank treads.

      8.00 mm (millimeters)
      Okay, this sounds a bit more reasonable, but
      still rather big to have 6 legs.

      0.80 mm (millimeters)
      On this scale, it would be more like a swarm
      of gnats. With some AI and BT or RFID feed-
      back, a swarm of probes this size might work.

      800 nm (nanometers)
      At this size, the probe would be way smaller
      than many of the symbiotic bugs found in the
      human body.
      This does not compute. Re-enter correct data.

    15. Re:800 nm ??? by Retric · · Score: 1

      It's a troll if they are trying to get an 800 millimeters = 80 centimeters post.

      Completely clueless seems a good option but I like using overrated. If they are simply using information that seems right they may have used poor math skills without noticing.

    16. Re:800 nm ??? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Oy! I'm a retard. 800mm = 80cm, but was there something I missed? Other than my stupid mistake, what else is going on?

      If you didn't notice, I'm just a little bit confused now.

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  4. Survivior Upper GI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's entertainment!

  5. Neo.... by 3seas · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... you've been bugbotted...

    1. Re:Neo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and when someone jpokenly said the government will next want to look up you ass... little did they realize...

    2. Re:Neo.... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      Only terrorists resist the anal probe!

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    3. Re:Neo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a coincidence! I was just reading your schizophrenic fruitcake rantings in the amiga groups the other day! I see you're still deluded about anyone giving a fart about your VIC?

    4. Re:Neo.... by MarkTina · · Score: 1

      Aw crap! Are you still alive and wasting perfectly breathable air with your stupid 3 S.E.A.S ?

  6. WTF? by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    800nm diameter? That doesn't make any sense! 800nm is close to visible light wavelengths. Could be tricky to design a camera when the wavelengths you want to record are the same size as the camera.
    Hmm, and a quick scan the linked articles don't really mention 800nm.... Was someone just pulling that number out of their ass, roland?

    And please stop linking to your summaries of the artice, which simply cut'n'paste the first linked article with a few bits of filler.

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    1. Re:WTF? by BurntNickel · · Score: 1

      The 800 nm is in the blog entry and I do believe it is in the wrong units.

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    2. Re:WTF? by CKnight · · Score: 1

      Throw on a Carl Zeise Lens on that bad boy and all your problems magically disappear.

    3. Re:WTF? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      " 800nm diameter? That doesn't make any sense! 800nm is close to visible light wavelengths. Could be tricky to design a camera when the wavelengths you want to record are the same size as the camera."

      The photo of the prototype makes me think a reasonable supposition is the diameter is less than 8 millimeters. Probably the blogger is one of the math challenged...

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    4. Re:WTF? by modecx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was thinking the exact same thing, then I scan back up to see what weirdo submitted this, ahh, good 'ol Roland Piquepaille.

      *slaps forehead*

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    5. Re:WTF? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Informative

      It looks like the 800nm bot has been mixed up with this bugbot.

      The article referencing the bugbot (here) shows a picture with a mini gut walking bot prototype at least 2-3cm in length.

      The Nanorobotics site (here) shows a drug delivery bot that they do claim will have to be 800nm wide (here). They are saying there that it must be that thin to be injectable.

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    6. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > I was thinking the exact same thing, then I scan back up to see what weirdo submitted this, ahh, good 'ol Roland Piquepaille.

      So. Not 800nm - too small. Not 800mm - two feet. Not 80mm - too much like Goatse.

      800nm. 800 nautical miles. Which is about as far away as VA Systems kick CmdrTaco's when they find out about the kickbacks he's getting from all that redirection to Roland Piquepaille.

    7. Re:WTF? by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the exact same thing, then I saw who submitted the article, and suddenly had a strong urge to take a crap on my computer screen.

    8. Re:WTF? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Oh, noes! Projectile diarrhea!

      Most unfortunate for the computer.

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    9. Re:WTF? by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      800nm diameter? That doesn't make any sense!

      Yeah, exactly my thought. I also didn't see it in the article, but the link to the nanolab has a link for "surgical swimming robots" and on that page they say that for their applications it has to be less than 800 micrometers, not nanometers.

      A wee bit of a difference there. 800 microns is still pretty small. It seems like you'd end up with a pinhole camera with a pretty tiny hole, and what size focal plane? There isn't a whole lot of light in your intestines, either, unless someones been pumping a bit of sunshine. It could be pretty tough to get much sensitivity from such a tiny camera there.

    10. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a "mu" not an "n"-- it's 800 micrometers.

      (and yes, this post is redundant).

    11. Re:WTF? by dj245 · · Score: 1
      800nm diameter? That doesn't make any sense! 800nm is close to visible light wavelengths. Could be tricky to design a camera when the wavelengths you want to record are the same size as the camera

      I'd like to think that the robot is 800mm. Anyone who is not a sword swallower or a porn star need not apply for clinical trials. And we can all tell Mr. Roland where he can put his 800mm 'bugbot'.
      On a related note, is samzenpus temulent? You would think all the editors would know that posting Roland would only induce scorn and fury by now.

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    12. Re:WTF? by MikeWitt · · Score: 1

      It could very well be 800nm. You can have a photosensor that is less than half a wavelength, as the same principals apply to both radio waves and light waves (for the most part) otherwise, to recieve an AM radio signal, you would need a 300 meter (I was going to use the abbreviation 'm', but dicided that ambiguity wasn't good) antenna, whereas the antenna on your car is not 300 meters long, probably closer to 3 feet or ~1 meter. Yes, the photosensors would be expensive, because for the bot to be practical, it needs to have decent resolution pictures, and photosensors aren't 1 or 2 NANOmeters across, but they could be.

      Basically, I'm trying to say that all it needs to see is the distance from peak to peak of the wavelength, BUT it will be expensive, because they need to cram about 1 million photosensors on that 'bugbot'.

    13. Re:WTF? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Its also late.
      I know I screwed up, but you all got the general idea I hope.

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    14. Re:WTF? by FlynnMP3 · · Score: 1

      There isn't a whole lot of light in your intestines, either, unless someones been pumping a bit of sunshine.

      Gives a whole new meaning to blowing sunshine up your ass. I use "your" metaphorically there :)

    15. Re:WTF? by clintp · · Score: 3, Funny

      ObFuturama:
      Fry: I can't swallow that!
      Prof. Farnsworth: Good news! It's a suppository!

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    16. Re:WTF? by iotaborg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (disclaimer: I'm affiliated with the nanorobotics group)

      This robot is most certainly not 800nm in diameter, and never will be, that dimension is definetely inaccurate (and isn't even cited on the actual news paper article). It's not even feasible to have such a small robot, as the control aspect would be hell, and it would not be able to grip the walls of the intestine (which is where the control mechanically comes from). The goal of this project is not to develop a capsule to image the intestine (this already exists! google for the Norika capsule products, and is in use). Rather it is to design a *controllable* capsule, that can be teleoperated. Current solutions involve swollowing the capsule and let it image 'randomly'. This project is to improve this aspect of such a robot, which would give surgeons an advantage when performing colonoscopies or similar - as they can specifically target certain sites to image reliably.

      And it's most certainly not a "nanorobot".

    17. Re:WTF? by Mxyzptlk · · Score: 1

      Er... 800 mm? That is 80 cm/31.5 inches - about the same as the circumference of my waist. I don't think the most talented sword swallower could gulp that down.

    18. Re:WTF? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
      Hmm, and a quick scan the linked articles don't really mention 800nm.... Was someone just pulling that number out of their ass, roland?

      No, someone wasn't reading TFA:
      "This medical robot, dubbed 'bugbot,' is being developed at Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) in its NanoRobotics Laboratory. It will measure less than 800 nanometers in diameter and will transmit."

    19. Re:WTF? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      You can use shorter antennas indeed. Very short ones are called electric dipoles and their resolution is moreless independent of the length (and bad). To get the resolution (as you describe) you NEED a large antenna/aperture/lens/...

    20. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the someone who didn't read TFA was Roland, the same tool who wrote both the linked 'summary' and the Slashdot blurb. Making up a number and writing it down in two places doesn't make it more right.

    21. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where the hell is the option to filter any story submitted by Roland as "troll"

    22. Re:WTF? by SComps · · Score: 1

      Erm.. I dated this girl in high school..

      *blink*

      ahh fond memories.

    23. Re:WTF? by Aumaden · · Score: 1

      FYI, the CMU article describes an 800 micrometer bot. That works out to 800,000 nm.

    24. Re:WTF? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I think it's a typo. The camera really is 800mm in diameter. To paraphrase Futurama...

      Patient: I can't swallow something 800mm in diameter!
      Doctor: Well, it's a good thing this is a suppository.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    25. Re:WTF? by wikdwarlock · · Score: 1

      In fact, it would not be able to let go of the intestinal walls. Van der Waals forces would make it stick to just about anything, and have a hard as hell time of trying to un-stick. In the nano/micro world, surface area is king, and the puny forces of inertia and gravity don't mean squat compared to the VDW forces and e-static attraction.

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    26. Re:WTF? by cybercobra · · Score: 1

      [In the lost city of Atlanta episode...]
      Prof (after putting on a breather): This is uncomfortable and humiliating. Now, if you put it in the form of a suppository...

      I await the quote from the worm episode.

  7. Or.. by sik0fewl · · Score: 4, Funny

    This robot should be ready for human consumption within 2 to 3 years and opens the way for future nanorobots.

    At least.. I hope that's how it goes in..

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    1. Re:Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm not so sure. After all, the robot's name is "Lemmiwinks".

  8. why legs? by flyingsquid · · Score: 1

    Seems like most of the critters that live inside the intestines are worm-shaped, not bug-shaped, so I'd think you'd want to build some sort of robotic worm or snake.

    1. Re:why legs? by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 1

      some sort of robotic worm or snake.

      I had my money laid on "Yoda Doll"

    2. Re:why legs? by 36+6_42 · · Score: 1

      Legs are easier. When you are making a small robot it is much easier to just put a stick on the end of an actuator. Current robotic worms or snakes generally have a flexible skin with complex motors to flex the body in order to replicate worm movement. Designing a robotic worm the size of a pill would be difficult and likely unreliable given the amount of parts neccessary.

  9. The Magnificent Journey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://www.givenimaging.com/ make the only existing swallowable endoscopy camera on the market, and yes, the drugs for conventional endoscopy are a solid hit.

  10. Too much information below: by Create+an+Account · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had a colonoscopy (I had colon cancer when I was 34; it's cool, I'm all better now) and they make well sure that you are all 'cleaned out' prior to the procedure. I'm sure it's the same with this.

    First, you take a powerful laxative. This tastes like toxic 7-up. Make sure your bathroom is well-stocked.

    Then the next day you drink a GALLON of electrolytic fluid (like soapy gatorade) over the course of a couple of hours. You will have nuclear diarrhea for a while. This is way worse (the diarrhea) than you get from the chemotherapy (depending on what drugs you get; I got leukovorin and 5FU).

    Even with all of this, swallowing the camera would be way better than the old way. Let me just say that the cable on the camera they use on the other end is over 7 feet long. I'm not even 6 feet tall. *shudders*

    1. Re:Too much information below: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leukovorin without methotrexate? Interesting... That said, 5FU is not one of the worse chemo drugs to have to receive. My grandmother got that for her colorectal cancer, said it was no big deal. The doxorubicin and dacarbazine for the liver cancer, OTOH, were hell. (Imagine the most you've ever puked. Then keep puking until you're almost unconscious. When you start to get coherent again, puke some more. This was before ondansetron, though.)

  11. soil samples? by moviepig.com · · Score: 2, Interesting
    With the six legs attached to the microrobot, CMU researchers want to [be able to come] back to a suspected lesion.

    This eye-robot, on its less-than-fantastic voyage, should soon thereafter be able to retrieve tiny tissue samples, too. Locomotion can't be much easier than prospecting...

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  12. M2A bot beat them to the punch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
  13. Yeah!! by Tordek · · Score: 0

    Finally! Robots inside us. Next step: Nanites!... Tho i'd rather have midichlorians.

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    1. Re:Yeah!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean mitochondria? Lucas needs better naming conventions.

  14. Double-screw drive by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    I would think that a spring-loaded double-screw drive would be better than legs. The front half of the probe would have a right-handed screw and the back-half of the unit woud have a left-handed screw. A motor would drive the front half relative to the back-half -- screwing the front half to pull the unit forward and unscrewing the back half to also push the unit forward. A set of spring arms on the front half would gently rub against the intestinal wall and use a mutli-spectral scanner to do a quick check/map of the tissue as it moves through the gut. The unit could also have an ultrasonic transponder to signal its location in the body.

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    1. Re:Double-screw drive by MarkTina · · Score: 1

      Your idea has put uncomfortable images in my head! How would the screw drives actually make the bug move about ? Would the bug need to expand to fit the tube it's in for traction ? (this is the image in my head ... not nice)

  15. Good News! by djward · · Score: 1

    It's a suppository!

  16. Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An ontopic goatse article.

  17. nano-technology? by ElDuderino44137 · · Score: 2

    I'm confused.

    How can something the with of two fingers be considered "nano-technology" ???

    -- Duder

  18. 800 nm refers to an injectable robot by tbuckner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Swallowable cameras already exist; the 800nm diameter robot is still on the drawing board; it would have to be that small to be injected, not swallowed, and might be used for drug deliver or other tasks.

  19. It will measure less than 800 nanometers?!? by geekee · · Score: 1

    Given that the gate length of 1 transistor for VLSI production technologies is currently greater than 800nm.

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  20. Matrix.. by seneces · · Score: 1

    am I the only one who was reminded of the "Bug" in the Matrix?

    1. Re:Matrix.. by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      Lets hope it finds a better entry point though.

  21. A suspected what? by kristopher · · Score: 1

    "such as coming back to a suspected lesion." I don't know what my mind is today. I thought that said lesbian.

    1. Re:A suspected what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure where your mind is either... But I am DAMNED interested how you thought there may be lesbians in the human G.I. tract.

  22. "Early stages" indeed... by booyabazooka · · Score: 1
    The legged devices thus far do not incorporate a camera and are not designed to be swallowed. - TFA

    ... In other headlines, "Medicinal remedy could cure all forms of cancer."

  23. New party game by aminad · · Score: 1

    Bored and don't know what to do for a party? Intestine Rally Championships Line up a bunch of contestants Issue each with a Nanobot, laxetive and a bucket. Tune it into the big screen and your away.

    1. Re:New party game by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like something you'd find at a frat party at a med school.


  24. Not soon enough, dammit! by puzzled · · Score: 1


    I'm scheduled tomorrow morning 10:30 CST for the mighty Butt Periscope(tm). I wouldn't push mine back even if they had a two week delivery timeframe, but this medical stuff moves *way* too slowly for my taste ...

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    1. Re:Not soon enough, dammit! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I think the problem with using mobile robots would be making sure they don't burrow their way outside your intestines and cause major damage around your body.
      The current swallowable pill type devices are looking promising, but suffer from not being able to go back and examine in great detail a portion they just past.
      Your uncomfortable procedure is currently the best change the doctors have to diagnose your problem without fully invasive surgery.

      Good luck tomorrow.

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  25. When I first saw the title... by mmarshall · · Score: 1
    ... I thought of a program crawling the internet, looking for bugs in websites.

    Hey, to me, 'bug' means 'error'!

  26. There was an old lady who swallowed a fly ... by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

    There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
    I don't why she swallowed a fly,
    Perhaps she'll die.

    There was an old lady who swallowed a spider,
    That wriggled and jiggled and wiggled inside her.
    She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
    But I dunno why she swallowed that fly -
    Perhaps she'll die.

    Yes .. suppose it gets stuck?

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    1. Re:There was an old lady who swallowed a fly ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then they'd send another in after it ;)

    2. Re:There was an old lady who swallowed a fly ... by botgeek · · Score: 1

      I swallowed the Givenimaging endocam at the end of Dec 2004 and it did get stuck. Had the silly thing stuck for just over 8 weeks and had a small bowel resection performed to remove it and the two Crohn's diseased areas that it was stuck in between.

  27. debug the programmer by SailFly · · Score: 1

    Gives a new meaning to debugging...

    Sitti, Lebovitz and Appasamy suggested it may someday be possible to use a legged camera introduced through the anus as a substitute for traditional colonoscopy.

  28. Important information below: by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Informative
    I just had a colonoscopy on Friday, the first of what I expect will be several over the course of my remaining life, as there's colon cancer in the family and I'm now in the age range where Things Start To Go Kerflooey.

    Frankly, given the build-up I'd heard, I was disappointed at how unpleasant the whole procedure was not . Yeah, going a day without solid food beforehand was a nuisance, and the induced diarrhea (and the accompanying lack of sleep, since my procedure was first thing in the morning, and the last dose of laxative has to be taken 5 hours prior) wasn't exactly fun. But by far the most unpleasant part of the whole experience was the mundane discomfort of repeated wiping. (Tip: instead of TP, use your bathtub as a bidet and a plush towel to dry off.)

    The procedure itself? The drugs they give you send you so far into la-la land that it won't bother you, and the guys who find the very notion of someone exploring their rectum discomforting on a homophobic psychological level will be relieved that they won't even remember the experience. It's a bit like a drugged date rape with signed consent forms. :) Seriously, there was absolutely no residual pain, and a few days later it's as if it never happened... except for the fact that I now know that my colon is healthy, rather than hoping and wondering.

    The bottom line (no pun intended): If there's any history of colon cancer in your family and you're over 40, or your doctor recommends it for any other reason, don't wait for nanobots or whatever to get your colon checked out. Better to have a camera shoved up your ass now than to have your colon turned into a semi-colon and get put on chemo a few years from now.

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    1. Re:Important information below: by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      "The procedure itself? The drugs they give you send you so far into la-la land that it won't bother you"

      Want to really feal it? Request no drugs. I didn't know that sedatives were an option when I had mine*. I now have made it a point to grill the Dr. about nearly every procedure I'm expected to go through.

      *fsking HMO's being too fsking cheap.
      -nB

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    2. Re:Important information below: by Mxyzptlk · · Score: 1

      I've had four coloscopy exams (and the last time, the surgeon said that I didn't need any more - phew). The first time, I got some pretty strong stuff which was ...interesting. I lay there on the bed wearing a "easy-to-open-in-the-back-shirt", when the nurse injected a mixture of valium-derivate and morphine-derivate. About 10-15 seconds later i hit, and I can swear I could feel the drugs working their way through finer and finer arteries. After that, I was pretty much (but not altogether) gone.

      However, the following three times, I got almost no drugs at all, even though I clearly said I wanted them. The pain is quite high (imagine the pain and discomfort you feel when you have really bad gases/diarrhea, and then multiply by ten). I was lucky that my colon was healthy, as compared to someone who has, say, ulcerous colitis.

      I have two advices if you are doing coloscopy with less drugs: breathe deeply and controlled - in through your nose and out through your mouth. It helps! Also: ask one of the nurses to massage/press on your stomach, so the colon is not quite so inflated. The worst part is when they are going through the sigmoid colon (right at the start and at the end of the coloscopy), but after that, just try to relax...

    3. Re:Important information below: by chuckT · · Score: 1

      YEah, last one I had (family history again: I've been screened twice and I'm 35) I was pretty well sedated, but the discomfort from the gas they pump in to inflate the colon was still noticeable. Like really bad gas in your sleep.

      I feel quite moved to have read so many personal experiences about people having their insides inspected. Shouldn't we form a support group or something?

      Chuck

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    4. Re:Important information below: by wayward · · Score: 1

      That procedure may be in my future soon, due to the family history thing. I tried telling the doctor that the only thing that a specialist was likely to find up my butt was my head, but she was insistent. So it's not something I'm exactly looking forward to, but it's probably better than the alternative.

    5. Re:Important information below: by wayward · · Score: 1

      Actually, maybe it's good that people are talking about this. Colon cancer is the second biggest cancer killer in the US (after lung), but there's a 90% survival rate if it's caught early. The procedure still sounds pretty embarrassing, but it helps to hear from people who've gone through it already.

  29. man, this guy never shuts up by westlake · · Score: 1

    instead of posting this long-winded rant with every Piquepelle story, could you simply provide a link, in the unlikely event there is anyone left who wants to read it?

    1. Re:man, this guy never shuts up by Lingur · · Score: 0

      It's not me who wrote this. It is the first time I have posted this. I'm just *REALLY* annoyed with Roland and his stupid money making scheme.

      GET A JOB ROLAND!

    2. Re:man, this guy never shuts up by NetFusion · · Score: 1

      It's not me who wrote this.

      By plagiarizing this comment without citing the original author you are really no better then Roland.
      He does it for money, your doing it for karma. You both suck.

    3. Re:man, this guy never shuts up by Lingur · · Score: 0

      Yeah, excellent karma I got. "Score: -1, Offtopic". Boy, did that boost my karma or what!

  30. It's a shame... by constantnormal · · Score: 1
    ... that neither the Pittburgh Gazzette nor Roland Piquepaille's summary gives other than the barest reference to the existing, FDA-approved technology developed by Israeli-based Given Imaging to do this sort of thing, the PillCam.

    The PillCam is a small capsule containing a camera, light, battery, and wireless transmitter that sends images to a receiver belt worn by the patient as the capsule tumbles its way through the intestinal tract.

    The only thing new offered in this bit of "news", is the thought of attempting to put legs on the capsule and overcome the natural peristaltic movement of the capsule through the intestines by stabbing the intestinal walls to move around and shoot more images of something interesting.

    It's something I view as a very questionable long shot at best, given the additional power required to actively position the thing, and the notion that having pointy legs sticking out inside one's intestines might not be the safest way to investigate intestinal problems.

  31. I know this one! by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    George swallows the pill, but it goes into a mummy on display at the local museum, and the doctor thinks he's dying.. ahh the Jetson's prior-art strikes again.

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    meh
  32. JFC by vonsneerderhooten · · Score: 2, Informative
    This Roland guy's getting on my nerves. Do yourself a favor and add these lines to you hosts file.
    127.0.0.1 primidi.com
  33. NOT so revolutionary by grogo · · Score: 1
    As a radiologist, I've been following the development of this technology with interest. Capsule endoscopy, as it's currently known, is already in fairly widespread use in clinical practice at many centers. It's currently considered a good investigative technique for the small bowel (the part of the bowel approximately from the stomach to the colon), and it rivals other standard methods of imaging for this segment of the GI tract (see this article for example). Briefly, a capsule the size of a large pill takes flash photos and sends them wirelessly to a device worn on the patient's belt.

    However, there are two important caveats:

    First, the current technology takes snapshots at intervals during its descent through the bowel, which can take hours or days. Necessarily, this skips regions of bowel since the shots are not contiguous, and are randomly oriented. This is fine for diffuse (i.e. widespread) bowel disease, since you'll catch most of what you need to see. But scarce, discrete lesions like cancers and polyps may get missed.

    This could be solved by a maneuverable camera proposed in the OP, but this leads to the second limitation: since the bowel is actually fairly long (a few meters), there is a TON of images to review, which typically takes several hours by trained personnell. This is OK for a few studies per week, but doesn't scale well. What's more, having a maneuverable camera would make this worse, since a real-time review would have to take as long as the transit time through bowel, which can be very long. I pity the person who has to sit there and steer the camera around for dozens of hours.

    A few posts are hopeful this will replace the colonoscopy, but for the reasons mentioned above, this is unlikely, at least not in the near future.

    1. Re:NOT so revolutionary by Mxyzptlk · · Score: 1

      One more thing: you probably can't take any samples or remove polyps with capsule endoscopy, so the patient may very well end up having a regular coloscopy anyway.

  34. Welcome... by +InvaderSkoodge · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new injested nanorobot overlords.

  35. Butt isn't... by cinolas · · Score: 1

    "Buttbot" more appropriate ?

  36. I can't swallow that! by kertong · · Score: 1

    Well then, Good News! It's a suppository.

  37. Poster/Editor are Isutions (um!=nano) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As already mentioned before, wavelengths for light ] are on the order of several hundred nanometers.

    Even if we had the technology, it would be STUPID to make a camera on the scale of hundreds of nanometer.

    HOWEVER, a brief reading of one of the university links mentions that the robot is 800um (800 MICROmeters).

    Clearly the poster is American. Everyone else knows there is a helluva of difference between NANO and MICRO.

    The robot is actually one THOUSAND times bigger than stated in the summary.

  38. So... by plaxion · · Score: 2, Funny

    when the developers claim that the QA department is refusing to sign off on the build because they have a bug up their ass we can take their comment literally?

  39. No they're not... by Goonie · · Score: 1
    You must have been given funkier drugs than I was; you go from fully-conscious to zonked and not-remembering pretty much instantly, and when you wake up again you feel slightly dozey in a rather boring way for a few minutes, but that wears off really quickly. No hallucinations, not even the not-quite-there feeling you get from too much booze.

    You certainly wouldn't bother taking them for recreation, put it that way...

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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  40. YOU INSENSITVE CLOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Not everyone sees those wavelengths, some people have limited vision.

    However I myself, along with my mother and brother have the ability to see UV so I'm offended that you lump us in with your pathetic minimalist vision!

    I have personally been tested at the University Of Alberta and am able to see UVA and some UVB.

    What does this mean? Not much really, I lead a normal life dispite my super powers. Actualy I know another gentleman who also has this genetic difference so it's not really super.

    We see many materials differently than other people when under halogen or natural sources.

    Oh and it makes playing laser tag a lot easier.

    1. Re:YOU INSENSITVE CLOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UV is usually filtered out in the eye by the presence of lutein (a yellowish carotenoid). It is present in the retina and lens.

      In fact, people who have just had cataract removal are able to read via UV light.

      Unfortunately, low levels of lutein (due to either heriditary or dietary reasons) could put you at higher risk for cataract formation or macular degeneration. (You don't necessarily have a deficiency in lutein - it could be a difference in your ability to detect blue light levels.)

      It'd be interesting to know if you could see UV light because more was getting to the retina (and not being filtered) or because you have a difference in blue-range light detection. Either way - cool trick :)

      In any case, remember to wear sunglasses, eat plenty of vegetables and get regular eyechecks!

  41. not a big deal by Goonie · · Score: 1
    By far the worst part of the whole thing is the bowel prep; as others have pointed out, the drugs they give you are sufficiently potent that you probably won't remember a thing about the whole procedure.

    As the bowel prep part of the job hasn't changed, it's just a matter of not having to be sedated and having the hassle of having to be driven home afterwards.

    If you're sufficiently conscious, make sure you ask for the pictures afterwards :)

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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  42. Good News by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    This is uncomfortable and humiliating.

    If only it could be made in a form of a suppository!

  43. Anybody see the first movie in the Lexx Saga by infonography · · Score: 1

    they had bugbot or was that bugbombs

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    1. Re:Anybody see the first movie in the Lexx Saga by John+Sullivan · · Score: 1

      "Bugbot searching, Thodin..."

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  44. whoo ! by Maavin · · Score: 0

    reverse buttcam !

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  45. Thanks I'll take my chances with Mr. Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither man nor battery operated machine is going anywhere near my ass!

  46. What software does it run? by chrisblore · · Score: 1

    I wonder what software it runs and what happens if it crashes!? Could be rather painful!

  47. Report his illegal reprinting to the sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should really start a campaign of informing all the sites he steals from every time he does it. Eventually, surely one of them would sue him and his gravy-train would come to a screeching halt.

  48. Tin Hat Anyone? by SComps · · Score: 1

    Anyone ever read "Prey?" I just finished it this weekend, then this story pops up on /. Too awesome for words. "Mommy? why is the robot eating me?"

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0061015725/ref=sib _rdr_fc/002-0807562-9362450?_encoding=UTF8&p=S001# reader-page

  49. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this on the Science Channel already.

  50. Better options by UbuWu · · Score: 1

    A virtual colonoscopy is probably a much better option. You still need to take the laxatives, but there is no real colonoscopy. Instead a 3d image is generated from a CT scan. The doctor can then do a virtual colonoscopy on his pc. Advantages: Takes less time Not an invasive procedure No sedation needed Disadvantages: Not possible to take biopsies during the procedure, so in some cases a real colonoscopy will be needed afterwarts.

    1. Re:Better options by UbuWu · · Score: 1

      And this one seems more advanced and ready for use:
      http://www.medgadget.com/archives/2005/05/capsule_ endosco.html

  51. BugButt(TM) by PMuse · · Score: 1

    Please have marketting send my check to . . .

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  52. Go to www.coloncamera.com to see where I've been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if these devices are sufficiently small, they will ultimately wind up in the potty (unless you're going to filter your poo), and then in the sewage treatment plant, and then in the discharge, and then either in the landfill or the discharge, which will then be in the water supply, then potentially inside someone or something else. Maybe we can start stamping them with "log into www.whatever.com to see where I've been" like I've seen on a bunch of dollar bills recently.

  53. Re:Double-screw drive - yeah, you'd be screwed by Wilk4 · · Score: 1
    do you *really* want it to go drilling its way around your body? perhaps not just up and down within the digestive track but going astray elsewhere with that screw drive?

    ... cue visions of 'Alien' and a bugbot erupting from your chest...

    I've had a colonoscopy (many years ago, and unfortunately without the la-la drugs that some report being given to make it better), and it was *really* uncomfortable... but this bug thing crawling through me from end-to-end sounds like a bad dream... or a bad horror/scifi movie...

    ...that said, either way is definitely better than colon cancer ...

  54. Re:New party game - ug by Wilk4 · · Score: 1

    note to self: don't attend ANY parties hosted by aminad... ;-)

  55. Wiping by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1

    But by far the most unpleasant part of the whole experience was the mundane discomfort of repeated wiping. (Tip: instead of TP, use your bathtub as a bidet and a plush towel to dry off.)
    You might also try buying a packet of the flushable baby-wipes. I picked some up when I was going through a bout of discomfort and I've never looked back. You only really need one per visit and the material is durable enough that you can even insert a corner of it and swab out the inside.

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