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Ajax On Rails
mu-sly writes "Ajax and Rails - probably two of the biggest buzzwords in web development at the moment. In this article over at ONLamp, Curt Hibbs introduces the incredibly powerful Ajax support that is part of the Ruby on Rails web application framework. It's a great read, and serves as a gentle introduction to the cool stuff you can accomplish with ease using the Ajax features of Rails."
I'm sure many developers like myself have a day job that probably involves J2EE. The first time I did the iniitial tutorials for Rails several weeks ago I was blown away. Connecting to a database is not susposed to be this easy.
Even when using newer frameworks like Spring, Tapestry and Hibernate (I hate you so much Struts) Rails still manages to be easier.
I highly suggest any developers looking for a change of pace at least give Ruby on Rails a few hours of your evening. While it's not nearly as comprehensive as Java, it's gaining libraries and functionality by leaps and bounds.
And just so I don't get labeled as a Rails fanboy/Java basher: Rails is not perfect, I still would recommend using J2EE for large corporate projects. It's just a much more mature solution with less unknowns. I think Rails needs another year at least before people are ready to really give it a shot in the corporate environment.
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Can this again help reducing bandwidth consumption in a similar, but prettier way, than html frames?
Every time I see material surrounding Ruby on Rails, I'm further convinced that it could be the web application programming foundation that starts to displace PHP as developers start to look at the transition from PHP 4 to PHP 5. Getting an increased install base for ruby on rails, as is the case with php (a fairly difficult task, admittedly) would definitely help no end in increasing the framework's popularity, at least amongst those programming smaller web applications.
Business Voyeur
Get the Beta book http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index. html
If you're interested in Rails at all, this book is all you need.
b) Microsoft's own technology being used by Google to loosen Redmond's deathgrip on the market?
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Of course Rails isnt the only completely F/OSS web application framework; Rails is best when you want to put relational data online: It's edge is it's simplicity.
On the other hand remember Zope - If you can get your head around Aqusition, the ZODB and Product Deveopment then Zope is a super-fast development platform.
From the article:The most visually impressive of these is Google Maps, which gives you the illusion of being able to drag around an infinitely sizable map in its little map window.
It's illusory alright, when I start at the US and scroll due west the first thing that I come to is the UK. Where'd all the other countries go?
Ajax grew from one of those hated, non-standard Microsoft features.
Help me take back Slashdot. When did 'News for Nerds' become 'FUD and Conspiracy Theories for Extremist Nutjobs'?
The rise in AJAX is almost solely due to the recent AdaptivePath article. I'm not sure it's a major trend.
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However, Ruby on Rails is clearly rising,
moving steadily upward for over a year. Thanks to a reader for bringing this to my attention.
http://www.realmeme.com/miner/technology/hibernat
How is eating feces not better than ASP.NET?
Most of this product comparison site was developed in Ruby on Rails within the last two months, and it already does more than Froogle, has more search features, etc.
I've also developed a large marketing system for the restaurant industry in Rails which lets restauranteurs develop e-cards, e-gifts, and send them to their customers on certain days.. or certain days away from their birthdays, etc.. and that will be going fully live soon.
My 10,000 user strong RSS Digest will be making the leap to Rails soon (July 1st) and this is a system driving over half a million uses a day.
I developed a del.icio.us-style tagged Code Snippets site in Rails within two days! It's had further refinements since then, but less than two weeks after launch, it was getting thousands of pageviews a day and hundreds of visitors a day from Google.
I was ready to give up development work 6 months ago, and now it's the most fun and profitable work out there for me. Ruby on Rails deserves the attention it's getting. You can put together your ideas in a fraction of the time you'd have ever imagined.
Time to add Ajax and Rails on my resume!
(To all potential employeers: I kid!)
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
I first heard of Ruby on Rails here on Slashdot. Although Rails is dead simple once you get it, getting to the "ah ha" point is a bit of a steep climb.
If you want to learn Ajax in Rails, the best thing I've read has been Dave Thomas' new book "Agile Web Development with Ruby on Rails". The author of Ruby on Rails itself, David Heinemeier Hansson, is also a co-author. Great book, absolutely fantastic web development framework.
Ruby on Rails Screencast
ASP.NET 2.0 does this also. You can define client callbacks on web controls which let you run code on the server-side and get the results back without reposting the page.8 96
http://www.developer.com/net/asp/article.php/3506
I am sick of seeing this excuse. You can't run around the internet screaming how rails is the greatest thing since the wheel, and how it renders java obsolete because its 100x faster to work with, and then say "its not done" when people actually try to use it. If you are ready to hype something and tell everyone how great it is, then you need to be ready to accept criticism too. If we can't compare it yet because it isn't finished, then stop running around telling us how great it is and how we should all be using it.
That's the default Rails error page. Wasn't keeping up with the /. load with the default settings.
Try again now.
Robby Russell
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Robby on Rails
It's possible, but not a good idea. RoR is like a Mac. It thrives on integration. Running the Darwinport of XMMS may work for you, but using iTunes is ultimately the overall better solution.
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Hope that helps.
(This comes from someone who runs XMMS on a Mac
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
You don't understand one of the most important necessary preconditions for a larger web app in corporations - someone to approve it.
J2EE and ASP.NET have rich organizations that they can loan you to take key decision makers (CFOs) out to lunch to help approve expensive J2EE projects.
Compared to the Oracle sales guy flying my previous CFO out to some golf conference to pitch their J2EE-based framework, Rails has NOTHING..
I speak from experience - We had the case of One Oracle Salesguy against EVERY SINGLE internally developer telling this CFO that the Oracle framework sucked and that even Oracle was moving to Tomcat. Guess who won.
That feature - the lunch&conference&golf budget - and that feature alone is enough to make J2EE and ASP.NET win most corporate environments.
I very clearly stated that you can cache over the network, and pointed out why a network cache like memcached is faster than an RDBMS. Your post has nothing to do with what I said, so why is it a reply to me? And you can just pull an object from the cache with memcached, because every time you update the db, you also update the cache.
No, the fundamental advantage of dynamic languages is programmer productivity. You can accomplish a goal in a dynamic language like Scheme, Smalltalk, Python, or Ruby in 100 lines that would require 500 or more lines of Java. That's also an advantage when you have to modify the code--there's less of it and it's faster and easier to read as a result. It's also much simpler and faster to create unit tests in dynamic languages, leading to more and faster testing of projects. These advantages grow with the size of the project.
The other advantage of dynamic languages is flexibility. While Java has limited support for features like reflection and generics, dynamic languages have offered much more powerful and easy to use versions of these features for years. Java is also missing other dynamic features like closures and metaprogramming. Groovy's feature list is an inverted list of many of the limitations in Java's dynamic capabilities.
Java's main contribution to programming languages isn't any new feature. It doesn't have any significant new features, and most of its main features like object orientation, byte-compilation/VM and primitive concurrency were in other languages like Simula and Pascal in the 1960s or 1970s. Java's primary contribution is that it was well marketed and that its limited dynamic features have inspired a large number of programmers to want more of the flexibility that languages like Scheme and Smalltalk offered decades ago.