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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for x86 Leaked?
patr1ck writes "Mac Daily News is reporting that Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for x86 processors has been leaked to the internet already. Apparently the version running on the development kit machines is easily transfered to run on any x86 machine. Conspiracy theorists unite: an Apple marketing scheme?"
Apple has often put an expiry date into their software so it may only be good for a short period of time? enjoy
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Report: Apple Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hits piracy sites
Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:14 PM EST
"There is nothing at all that prevents the version of Mac OS X that runs on the developer transition machines from running on any PC with compatible components," Jeff Harrell writes for The Shape of Days. "The Intel-based Power Macintoshes that Apple is showing at their developer conference are based on an Intel motherboard, generic Intel graphics and off-the-shelf Pentium 4 CPUs... I estimate that we're down to a matter of hours before Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hardware is available for download on Internet software piracy sites and peer-to-peer piracy networks. (Update: A reader who for obvious reasons wishes to remain anonymous just demonstrated to me that the software is, in fact, already available on Internet software piracy sites.) If I can think through this stuff, Apple's management can think through this stuff. This is the most awe-inspiring stealth marketing move I've ever seen."
"According to reports, Apple's bundled iLife applications, major selling points for the Mac operating system, are already Intel-native and run at full speed... Given Apple's experiences with software piracy, particularly the rampant software piracy that spread developer builds of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger all over the Internet this past spring, Apple's management from the top down knows full well that this developer preview will be in the hands of every kid with a cable modem within days of its release. Most of them will be able to install it on their own computers and run it and the full suite of iLife '05 applications at full speed, and run most existing Mac software in translation. As a result, Apple will give thousands, possibly millions, of people a taste of Mac OS X running full speed on their own PCs. Apple's giving their potential future customers a free taste, that's what they're doing. It's a try-before-you-buy deal," Harrell writes.
Also, full article (by Jeff Harrell @ ShapeOfDays.com)...
Mac OS X on Intel: Try before you buy?
Item the first: Apple is not staffed entirely by idiots. This is self-evident, and it's important to what follows. Keep this in mind as we proceed.
Item the second: The Intel-based Power Macintoshes that Apple is showing at their developer conference are based on an Intel motherboard, generic Intel graphics and off-the-shelf Pentium 4 CPUs. This information has just become public in the past few hours. (Comments I made to the contrary yesterday and on Monday were erroneous. The source who fed me that information has been sent to bed without any supper, and says to tell you he's very sorry and that it won't happen again.)
Item the third: It's safe to assume, given the timeframe, that the developer transition kits that Apple will ship within a couple of weeks will be fundamentally similar to, if not outright identical to, the Power Macs on display at the conference.
Item the fourth: The Power Macs on display at the show run a one-off build of Mac OS X 10.4.1 that incorporates the few necessary changes that were required to get the operating system running on the Intel hardware. This build includes Apple's bundled iLife '05 suite of applications.
Item the fifth: Because Intel's LaGrande security technology is not yet incorporated into any shipping products, it's safe to assume that it's not present in these transition-kit computers.
Item the sixth: Given items two through five, apart from the constraints introduced by hardware-software interfaces, there is nothing at all that prevents the version of Mac OS X that runs on the developer transition machines from running on any PC with compatible components.
Item the seventh: Because the Intel version of Mac OS X that's being distributed to developers is a one-off build, future software patches, including all-important security patches, will not install on top of it, making it totally useless to anybody who's not a developer of Mac software.
Item the eighth: Given it
Only Mac apps were universal. All the old PPC apps will run via Rosetta, so they will run, they just won't be "universal binaries". For example, Photoshop isn't a universal binary but it runs fine.
OS X doesn't use the FreeBSD kernel. And, more importantly, FreeBSD doesn't have a 'modprobe' (that's a sign of a Linux user who has never used a BSD if I've ever seen one). 'kldload' is probably the closest equivalent and OS X doesn't have it (just checked).
"The purpose of argument is to change the nature of truth." -- Bene Gesserit Precept
Because the universal binaries were kept internal to Apple and the released versions of OS X were only capable of running on Apple hardware?
If they released versions of OS X that were fat binaries, someone outside of Apple would have noticed and said something, and we would all know about it already. Jobs is almost certainly talking about internal builds that Apple has been doing to ensure compatability for a possible transition.
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
This is probably why they are leasing the dev machines until 2006. The "real" releases probably wont run on them, and supporting them would mean supporting generic PCs. Steve did say they are leasing them becasue they dodn't want any of them floating around. This is proabably why.
no hint of it on the big trackers, nobody on IRC has seen it... looks like a fake to me.
Why don't you take an hour and listen to Steve Jobs keynote address? You can find it easily on www.apple.com. Or, if you can, skip about half way in to get to the Intel stuff.
All the PPC apps will run on Intel using Rosetta. Steve brought up a bunch of PPC stuff on the Intel box, including Word, Excel, and Photoshop (with plugings). I believe it translates OP codes on loading, so you don't have the typical emulator slow down.
The development machine uses an Intel chipset, an Intel CPU, a Phoenix BIOS
It does not use a Phoenix BIOS.
It uses an Intel-branded BIOS, and this is plastered *all over* in the BIOS configuration itself. (No, really. No matter what xlr8yourmac says. Because, well, xlr8yourmac couldn't even figure out how to *get into* the BIOS, even though it's as simple as just holding F2 at boot.)
Further, it's still extremely unlikely that this story is accurate, because:
- While it would have been possible, it would have been unlikely for someone to have imaged/copied the entire contents of the drive, and even if they did, it's unlikely it would run on generic x86 hardware because:
- No, there aren't any fingerprints, but the problem is that even Darwin x86 supports an *extremely narrow* range of hardware. Mac OS X/Intel's support is just as narrow. You can hardly take this and install it on any PC.
Based upon the specs and pictures of the box the Intel PowerMac it is most likely an Intel Desktop Board D915GUX. This has the GMA900 onboard graphics adapter and DDR-2 memory that xlr8yourmac.commentioned. It also has the same layout as the photos of the PowerMac board.
1. They weren't sold.
2. They haven't shipped yet.
3. They're for any higher-level developers, not WWDC attendees.
4. They don't come with an installer, it's pre-loaded.
5. They will be individually watermarked.
Other than that, your post was quite helpful.
'kldload' is probably the closest equivalent and OS X doesn't have it (just checked).
OS X kernel modules are kernel "extensions," so the tools are all kext*. kextload, kextstat, and kextunload.
But yeah, no dice on "well let's just load up FreeBSD drivers." Not gonna happen.
Mac OS X 10.4 - Tiger WWDC beta
http://mininova.org/tor/314
http://mininova.org/get/314/tiger.dmg.torrent
I haven't check if it's real yet.
I'm not an Xbox developer, but I would imagine that this "custom version of Windows" is a version of the Xbox OS and not of Windows itself. The Xbox OS was derived from Windows 2000, and according to some people at MS only around 10% of it remained similar to Win2k. The rest of the code was seriously modified. The Xbox 360 OS is a continuation of the Xbox OS, not of Windows. In that case, it may have strayed very far from the Windows you see on your PC.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that the presence of Mac-based Xbox developer kits does not imply that Windows can run on Macs (or even PPC).
OLPC Australia
I am doubt that Apple will make a box that you can easily run Windows on. I fully suspect them to do everything possible to prevent that from happening. I hope and pray they don't but I just don't see them doing that.
Phil Schiller is on record stating that Apple won't do anything to stop people from booting Windows.
I have a shitty sig!
I think the danger to MS and Linux from OS X is being exaggerated.
Windows - the people that would have to switch to hurt MS are the ones that won't even look at Linux because it's 'different'. They are either comfortable with the Windows way of doing things or they are barely computer literate. Gnome and KDE have themes to make things look/work very similar to Windows. Apple makes no excuses, they know the 'best' way to do things. These users are already used to MS's 'best' way.
Linux - OS X has many of the same annoyances that Windows has, just in a different form. A lot of us don't like having an OS make assumptions for us and then make it extremely difficult change. I still remember when Win95 came out and it had 'modem drivers' that were basically the modem's init strings. If the manufacturers' defaults didn't work for you, you had to fight to get the correct settings. OS X assumes I want that menu bar across the top of my screen. Linux servers are for production, Linux desktops is still for the tinkerers. OS X (IMO) sucks for tinkering.
It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit. -- Harry Truman
That 10.3 one is definately an empty CD size file. It's all zeros.
0 c1c68|">Mac Osx 10.3 (Intel Version).iso
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ed2k://|file|Mac Osx 10.3 (Intel Version).iso|666000000|7d9587606f550c2767667b09c1
So don't bother with it. OTOH, you get great DL speeds
If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison
15 minutes ago..
Like shooting fish in a barrel, really.
"A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
The torrent has been removed from thepiratebay as there were many reports of it being fake.
Despite the low quality of crap that is on eMule, I decided to take the plunge and download this file, just in case it was the real deal.
It isn't.
As this screenshot from my machine shows, every, single byte in this file has a hex value of 00.
I guess this is some turkey's idea of a fun prank for a Sunday afternoon.
Several people who have gotten pieces of it from torrents have reported that if you open the file up in a hex editor, it's just "GNAA" over and over again... surprised?
just looked at one of the rars, its just GNAA or some shit repeated over and over... lame
It's fake. Here's a screenshot of a hex editor looking at one of the pieces.
http://users.chartertn.net/localh/gnaa.gif
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD. DO NOT GET THIS TORRENT.
It boots up to a picture of the goatse.cx guy.
You have been warned.
Both the current torrents, located at thepiratebay.org and mininova.org are confirmed fake. All rar files contain the repeated strand GNAA (http://www.gnaa.us/) - antislash.org reports that the GNAA released the fake packs to troll slashdot.
The file tiger-x86-xiso.iso is the fake GNAA release
As of this time THERE ARE NO CONFIRMED REAL COPIES of the intel x86 build of mac osx 10.4 released on the internet
Any copies that are about 970mbs can be assumed to be this fake release
The Torrent going around as: Mac OS X Tiger X86 READNFO-XISO It's a complete fake. When the image is booted it shows a picture of a guy showing off his Bu** H**e.
Later.
If anyone has had time to look at a partially downloaded file, its filled with "GNAA" over and over, in each and every file, its a fake.
It shows the goatse.cx guy, yuck.