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Nokia and Intel Group Up To Develop WiMax
WhichHost writes "Nokia and Intel's new alliance is aiming at creating and refining the power of "WiMax" as a new form of mobile-WiFi for devices such as laptops, cell-phones, etc. This is just the first step in making high-speed wireless networking available to the entire world. Covered at InformationWeek and Forbes as well." From the article: "Nokia and Intel Corp.'s development plans focus on mobile WiMax, which allows for roaming among base stations, as opposed to fixed WiMax, which is considered a replacement for DSL and cable lines."
Thanks editors for posting another week old story to the front page. What ever happened to being at the forefront of the news game? I remember when this was the place to get information ahead of everyone else... Now we get links to 4 day old articles that I know I read about even before that.
Are you too busy approving stuff in the submission queue that is really just duplicates of what we have already read?
Get with it.
It looks like we found a technology threesome. Intel, Apple, and Nokia ... lets call them Noinpple!
First, Apple and Nokia for new portable web browser
Next, Apple and Intel deal to make processors for Apple computers.
Now, Nokia and Intel to make hi-speed wifi.
Will Apple be the first hardware vendor to have a portable device that uses the new hi-speed wifi w/ this browser?
Nokia and Apple and Intel and Nokia and Apple and Intel and...
The Dark Alliance gathers.
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Can we reasonable expect now to have REAL wireless internet over long distance? EDGE/UMTS etc have theoratically broadband-like, but in reality suck ass due to latency & periodic bursts of speed.
Nokia knows how to make some kickass wireless devices & prolly this allaince will herald real wireless broadband.
And, BTW, Insight Cable Broadband sucks ass. (Die bastards, DIE!) I just can't wait for some real competetion in the broadband arena.
Now, I must point out that I haven't kept up-to-date with this techniligy, but wouldn't it be cool if all this wireless tech would automatically create a network with its surrounding similar wimax devices?
Does it do this already? sort of like, forming ad hoc networks, pathways through other people's wireless equipment to the nearest internet link?
Or is this just a dream..
B.
Every experiment which ends in a big bang is a good experiment.
Time to mention Apple == 3... 2... 1...
Gotta keep Apple on the tips of everybody's tongues, you know. It's all about the S P I N !
How will this affect the greatest company in the world? Did Steve in his magnificence know about this? How is Apple so good while everyone else is so evil? Did you know they invented the GUI? Did you know they're the greatest? How great are they? Supergreat!
- 802.16
- Old news?
Is the "news" here that Nokia has joined with Intel in promoting WiMax?Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
... one network to bind them ... ... and with WiMax to find them ...
SBC will be offering WiMax for $19.99 a month which you can use on your $300 laptop.
Or you can pay thousands of dollars - for the same thing - now.
The market cares nothing for your desires, and tech is just another commodity. So long as Japanese girls buy it, it will be made available.
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With these expansive wireless networks, what secutiry features are going to be enabled? You will be essentially on a large LAN, what is to stop some person driving by your house from looking at your files. Also, what does this mean for file-sharing? LAN file-sharing programs like sharescan will allow users to anonymously transfer files. Watch out RIAA!!
This is the holy grail. IF this happens, it could represent the biggest challenge yet to the existing mobile phone network. The mobile phone network does this really well and currently the only thing out there that does.
The problem is, this is really hard given the basic architecture of the Internet protocol suite. Lots of things just rely on your IP address not changing in the middle of a TCP session or a VoIP call or whatever. If you move between base stations with current WiFi, you have to change your IP address.
The cell phone network solves this by essentially rerouting things on the fly at layer 2. This is really hard to do in the Internet. My guess that some kind of Layer 2 technology will be adopted to allow groups of WiMax base stations (all under the control of a single provider in all likelihood) to move an IP address from one base station to another quickly. Beyond that it takes sharing agreements and all that and that will be really tuff!!
Frank W. Miller
You will be essentially on a large LAN, what is to stop some person driving by your house from looking at your files.
We already did that. After we finished reading them, the cops pulled us over for ROFL at what you had entered in them.
Security by Obscurity - the latest choice
Will in Seattle
that Intel will merge with Nokia.
You read it here first!
how do you compare game console market to pc one?
will Nokia release WiMax's driver for linux?
when will Evolution/Nokia start support sync calendar/to-do/email with Nokia phone via bluetooth/infrared/cable?
will Nokia support VOIP on new phones?
I did add skype to Nokia 3650 - I use bluetooth to call or recieve calls
"Steve Jobs invented the world" -- Bill W. GATES
I wish companies would stop inventing and reinventing techologies and just spend the money to get broadband access to people outside of major cities.
Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
"...You guys have the right to bear arms but you did nothing to correct this hideous miscarriage of justice..."
Uh, so you want someone else to commit murder because you like the freak? Yeah, why not, it's not your ass that could end up in jail with Bubba.
Apple corporation what's your function?
hooking up Intel and Nokia with WiMax.
My question is who will impliment this. WIll this mean that internet (dsl) monopolies will now move to cell phone carriers ? If this is the wave of the future it woudl be really nice to have this be a joint venture and allow any carrier to use it.
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Look at the current state of affairs with accessiblity to wireless driver specs for Open Source today. Are we going to have more of the same with this? Intel has been pretty selfish so far in releasing any info on what they got in wifi. Is this just going to be more WinWifi stuff?
This is just the first step in making high-speed wireless networking available to the entire world.
Great, I'm sure the starving people of Africa will appreciate being able to get access to their corporate email everywhere, all the time, on their Treos.
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
It only encourages them to survive.
Wi-Fi is a trademark owned by the Wi-Fi Alliance, and is based on various parts of 802.11. It is a wireless local area network standard.
WiMax is a trademark owned by the WiMax forum, and is 802.16d (Fixed WiMax) and 802.16e (Mobile WiMax) [.16e is not yet ratified by IEEE]. These are wireless metro or wide area network standards (depending on where you feel that difference lies)
The two network technologies will likely co-exist in the future. See this article for how their interaction might work out (in the first few paragraphs) [the article refers to fixed WiMax].
dude.. if u saw it b4 everyone else.. and if its not posted on slashDot.. submit it to slashDot and quit ur whining..
stuff on this site is community submitted...
That's why mobile IP was created:
Blog Ho
will Nokia Phones run OS X?
Mobile IP works great. But only if you have a public IP address, and some people might argue you should also have Mobile IP support at servers. Which both mean in practice, that you and the servers need IPv6 and Teredo tunnelling in the real life non-IPv6 Internet of today.
All this you can have today on Windows XP SP2. The only thing missing are clients supporting IPv6, but there are some...
I believe that currently this looks like the only real reason to have IPv6, but reason enough.
Anssi Porttikivi / app@iki.fi
I blogged about this.
God became man to enable men to become sons of God. -C.S. Lewis
That's like Firestone and ArmorAll making a racecar that runs on a gas-alternative.. talk about unlikely players for WiMax....
"This is just the first step in making high-speed wireless networking available to the entire world."
Deja-vu...no...that was 3G!
How many 'first steps' do we need?
Wake me up when they've solved the multipath and doppler problems at the high datarate.
-- Erich
Slashdot reader since 1997
1. 802.16x is not as advertised. It is not 50+Mb at 70 miles, it is either/or. The further out you get, the more the bandwidth drops, and it drops fast. This means more towers to cover a geographical area with acceptable service, which destroys the business model.
2. 802.16 is a TDMA technology, which simply means time slices. Each connection (user) requires a time slice from the tower. As the density of the area covered by a tower grows, to give you acceptable performance (see #1 above) they need more towers, which destroys the business model.
In short, while the technology might be coaxed to give adequate performance to a decent number of people, the business model sucks, which will prevent it from really gaining a foothold. Nobody really wants to pay for mobil internet, as much as they seem to want it. There will be a few early adopters, but not enough to make the business even support itself.
A most overlooked advantage to owning a computer is if they foul up there's no law against wacking them around a bit.
However, the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has yet to ratify the mobile WiMax standard, known as 802.16e.
Right. So the question is this, who really defines a standard a body like IEEE, or the first set of vendors to hit the market with a workable product. Sad, but painfully true. I say bully for them. Even if they come out with their own proprietary setup, if they release it soon, it'll only force the others to follow. That and it's not like I *really* used to choice in the telcom space anyway.(modem types, locked cell phones, etc)
Telcoms need to find a niche and move there fast. "3G" is going to hit too little too late. My city is one of the brave that's planning on lighting up public WiFi which will blow the doors off any of the offerings that are coming Real Soon Now(TM) from our beloved telcos. Nokia's not stupid. I can see them offering a VOIP cellphone when the time is right. (And T-Mobile may be thinking about biting from what I here) That, and when it happens, it's going to be the areas with crappy cell coverage thumbing thier noses at what will by then be some 3 remaining cell companies.
I'd start snatching up any dark fiber out there if I had the spare change to do so. I wouldn't be shocked at all if in a near future, cell phone companies have to roll to the old POTS model of not charging for local minutes and make their cash on long distance routing. I only own a cell now (ditched the POTS a while back) I have no qualms about VIOPing home from a free WiFi access point for local calls.
One of the great things about 802.11 is that there are no restrictions on its use. I can, using cheap hardware available anywhere, set up a wireless network anywhere for pretty much any purpose I want, subject to the limitations of the technology.
I can play Starcraft with someone in another car next to me. I can let guests use my internet connection when they visit. I can check my email from my parking lot.
Wifi has, IMO, been such a great success because it goes back to the P2P nature of the Internet. Rather than being a captive customer to (say) a cell phone company that owns all the cards, it's a technology for me to use for free for whatever I want.
Will WiMax be the same? Can I go to Circuit City, shell out $whatever for WiMax equipment, and check my email from a mile away from my apartment?
Right now, whoever releases a device that does this will not sell any more phones to the cellular providers. The reason it's the holy grail for you, is the reason it's the black plague to cellular companies. I don't like the business practices of cell companies, and I absolutely HATE I am stuck in the dark ages here in North America.
Once the market for cell phones levels off, companies like Nokia will have all those engineers, and all those production setups.. and not much to produce anymore. That's when someone will say F it all and break ranks going after the potentially HUGE consumer market.
Perhaps this is the beginning.
..don't panic
Wireless 802.something could be used for hot spot phones if it incorporated many of the features that cell tower/phones use. One that would have helped our Cisco VOIP deployment is full duplex wireless.
:-(
Just another pipe dram of mine... I hope my grandkids will have it.
Your Average Joe
There seems to be some confusion as to what WiMAX will do, even the industry is confused. WiFi uses a public bandwidth, it shouldn't be used by Telco's because they're will be huge regulatory issues involved. However using WiFi in McDonald's...etc is okay because McDonalds owns the property, and hence can use that bandwidth (but only in that property). WiMAX will used regulated bandwidth (like 3G,GSM etcc..). I'm sure WiMAX uses FDMA, although it could be viewed as TDMA because it doesn't use a different spectrum for upload/download, like 3G. Multipath and Doppler issues can be resolved via vendor specific technologies like rake receives, diversity gain...etc, like it is used in 3G. However doppler will be more of an issue with WiMAX than 3G becuase 3G uses CDMA, which is better for roaming. Whereas FDMA is better for standing still. WiMAX's opportunity is in last mile access to homes, I can forsee people installing WiMAX antenna's for their homes, and using it for Voice, Data, TV (Triple-Play). Instead of having a leased line for the phone, cable for TV and Internet. Wireless is cheaper than rolling out cables, this is particularly pertinent to places like India and China where the bulk of the population do not have telephone lines (hence cannot use DSL).
This used to be the place where the OTHER sites got their leads. Now it seems all /. can do is rehash and repeat (several times) week-old news reported elsewhere...
Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
check out www.coconnect out of St. Gorge Utah, it is the future for right now for high speed wireless,
1. no additional equipment needed other than your existing wireless card (wimax uses a huge antennae!!??) 2. up to 54 mpbs 39.95 a month and free dial up wireless to anybody 3. free roaming all over the city even while you drive walk or whatever (wimax is a point to point fixed wireless??) 4. iptv 5. voip 6. uses nodes on top of buildings to communicate with each other creating a mesh network over the city...
wimax may be good for long distances, but not for making a city fully high speed broadband wirelsss, especially so everyone can access it for a reasonable price...
Competition for Motorola Canopy.