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Treo 650 Hacked: Dial-Up Networking via Bluetooth
AndersBrownworth writes "The standard Treo 650 doesn't support Dial-Up Networking over Bluetooth, but Shadowmite figured out that they just hid the option, so he hacked up an un-crippled version. Trevor Harmon shows you how to get DUN over Bluetooth working and now my new PowerBook can get on the net from anywhere!"
New official update for Treo 650: http://www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/treo65 0updater/sprint.html
Yes, Shadowmite hacked DUN. About 8 months ago.
Also, all unlocked GSM Treos have had this capability from day one, and Sprint just released a firmware update that officially enables this capability in all Sprint Treos... so how is this news, exactly?
My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
Does even the editor read the first line of the articles? The article says that the hack is obsolete, unneeded. What a joke. Slashdot is so lousy these days.
Ahh yes, portable, handheld boobies anyone?
This is not news for nerds. Real nerds remember when this happened long ago. Long ago this was cool, now its a real supported feature.
So... Slashdot really seems to not be "News for Nerds" anymore as much as it is "News for the Lazy Dork Editors of This Site". I wish they'd keep up with tech news a little better. There are much more current and useful tech sites these days. The only thing that makes Slashdot worth viewing is the volume of comments. The users make the site. Its too bad the people who run it don't give a shit.
Anybody ever had any luck getting a Treo 600 working on T-Mobile for data as a modem?
I know there's a third-party app, but I could never get it to work for me...
Notwithstanding the non-need for a hack, is the Treo 650 any good? I've been thinking of getting one.
I don't need a lot of fanciness, just a working phone and convenient PDA in one unit.
This shows that true innovation comes from the freedom to tinker with existing devices and technology, just as much as it might come from the incentive of profit.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Why would anyone buy a Powerbook right now? Its going to be obsolete without any new software once the Intel Macs start rolling out.
Don't claim this is offtopic... It is mentioned in TFS (the f'ing summary)/..
Now if anyone could come out with a Dvorak keyboard hack for the Treo, I'd finally re-experience the graffiti learning experience!
You can get the latest firmware with supports DUN over BT.
What do you know I wrote a novel
Why is this presented as if it just happened?
This hack is now really only valid for Verizon uses as they are the only carrier left with the crippled functionality...
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.005% of internet servers. This led to Mandrakesoft, makers of another troubled distro, to purchase Connectiva and become Mandriva. However, industry anaylists say that this will not help since Mandriva is already a shell of its former self.
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Fact: There are almost no Connectiva developers left, and its use, according to Netcraft, is down to a sadly crippled
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Fact: Debian Linux, which claims to focus on "being free" (whatever that is supposed to mean), is slow, and cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs. "That about drove the last nail in the coffin for Linux use here," said Michael Curry, CTO of Amazon.com. "We took our Debian boxes ou
I just bought a Treo 650 about a week ago and I love it - You don't need to use Graffiti in fact from what I can gather you can't use it without an add on. But the keyboard works great. I agree I thought this was an odd post because the DUN was one of the first things I went looking for and it turns out it was included and it was hacked months ago which is no longer even a valid hack with the new firmware. At any rate check out the Treo - It's an awesome device. Now as a computer consultant I am out on clients sites, able to recieve phone calls, Instant messages, and emails all on the fly with a blackberry push type of service . . . it's fantastic!
The powerbooks haven't been worth buying in about 12 months. A 167mhz FSB. Cripes. Sounds like a P III.
THe worst is when the fanatics say "well, its fast enough for me!"
Well, no sh*t. But I can get a $700 Dell that's fast enough for web browsing.
I suggest Apple keep it the same, and just call it a MediocreBook to keep up with the truth in advertising laws.
That only works for the Sprint/PCS version of the Treo 650.
There are a lot of people out there using the locked Cingular/GSM version Verizon/CDMA of the Treo650 where this still fills a void.
...Timmy
Best on the market today. Excellent battery life. Great Phone, good PDA, adequate email/web. Outstanding bluetooth sync with Mac.
The Treo 650 - Excellent PDA, good phone, adequate email.
Blackberry - excellent email, good pda, (barely) adequate phone. Poor battery life if used as phone for lots of airtime.
It's an absolutely fantastic product WHEN it works. My experience was with a Cingular locked Treo 650.
Unfortunately, it didn't work too long without freezing or locking-up. I couldn't tolerate a phone/PDA that would reboot or freeze several times a day, so I went back to my Nokia 3600 that runs for weeks/months without any problems.
The stability is on par with Windows 95 running on buggy hardware.
My advice is to stay far away until people say it's reliable and stable.
My PPC 6600 required no hack to get this working. I have python on it, and standard microsoft development tools and GCC can both compile for it. Treo is a crappy closed platform, why waste your money on it. If Microsoft beats you in openness...your platform licks.
From: support@junefabrics.com
Subject: RE: Platform support
To:
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:42:37 -0700
Chris,
Sorry that unfortunately we have no plan to support Linux system.
Thanks,
June Fabrics PDA Software Support
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> JuneFabrics,
> I am interested in using your product (for which I already purchased a
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> Are there any arrangements under which this might be possible.
> Thank you,
> Chris
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
What they don't tell you, is that when your phone is on the data network, you can't take calls. At least, that's the case with Sprint, but I believe it's a limitation of CDMA (and possibly other) networks. It's not a huge deal, mind you, but when you're on call and your NOC expects to get ahold of you, they get pretty worried when their calls go straight to voicemail because you're at the pool using your Treo to talk on IRC. You can get voicemail notifications and text messages though, so that's good.
The new firmware from PalmOne does indeed remove the need to use ShadowMites' hack. He's got some other interesting things though, like leaner versions of the firmware without the crappy Real Player, and a barely working WiFi driver for SD WiFi cards in the Treo. Before the update from PalmOne last week, his BT hack was so very lovely. It's understandable, though, why it was crippled. It was buggy as shit, and required multiple resets, before and after its use. The official version is much better. (Note: Shadowmite simply unlocked the unfinished BT DUN support that was already there.)
And, completely unrelated... I buy a lot of gadgets. I know, it's a disease, but I can't help it. The Treo 650 is fucking the most incredible gadget I have ever had the pleasure of owning. I don't often use the BT DUN because the damn Treo does IRC, email, AIM, SSH (even screened in and used BitchX), and web. And, oh yea, I can sustain a 56k Shoutcast stream while I'm on the move using pTunes. Have I mentioned it's awesome?
Oh yea, and the new update allows the keyboard brightness to be adjusted along with the screen brightness, rather than leaving it on full burn when you dim the screen, which sucked in the dark. It also kills the pause when dialing numbers from the address book. The Treo... if only I could have sex with it.
timothy, you are the worst /. mod ever. Why the hell did you post this story?
How you gonna mod this one? huh? huh? -1 offtopic to show everyone you can take criticism. Maybe you'll get pissed and give me a -1 troll. Or perhaps you'll just make everyone think you never saw it and not mod this post at all. Either way, you still suck. I'm also convinced you are just a monkey that throws his poop at a random story, taco throws in a few grammar errors, and posts it.
Go back to sucking taco's dick so you can keep your job.
Besides the fact this news is "quite" old, Palm has always sold "unlocked" GSM T650s.
This has nothing to do with Palm, and everything to do with the providers. Cingular and Sprint offered CDMA Treos at a nice discount, but intentionally crippled the DUN. Tis why a hack was made almost a year ago. Sprint's latest firmware update also unlocks DUN. Now it's just Cingular and Verizon.
MS didn't beat Palm to this, and if you had years of experience with both platforms like me, you probably wouldn't be using your PocketPC. Anyways, If I were to buy a PPC phone, I would personally go with the 3615. Talk time is important, and 3.5 hours on a 6600 is poor. Even the GSM Treos gets about 6.5 hours.
Go here for all the scoop;p ?f=70
http://discussion.treocentral.com/forumdisplay.ph
The peeps I know that have a T650 swear by it and have had a great experience. The latest updates from Sprint and Palm fix several issues for the unlucky peeps that did experience true problems.
If you read through Treocentral to get a basic understanding, things should go smoothly. I've notice that the peeps that had the most problems did things like not charging the phone when it was first opened. A requirment for all devices of this type. Or they loaded it up with tons of old Palm apps from the begining, apps that didn't plaly nicely with the new hardware. For the most part, user error.
Do not go with Cingular.
In the UK, thieves are now using Bluetooth enabled handsets to detect laptops and mobile phones hidden inside cars.
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That would be much cooler.
For more than a year, I was in complete heaven. I did not pay for a data plan, and got info for logging into a 3G data connection from PDA Phone Home. A net connection was billed as regular voice minutes. Couple that with unlimited nights and weekends, and I could use the Internet at will.
I could hook the phone up to my laptop using the USB cable and connect at 28.8-36.6 anywhere with cell service and surf at will after 9pm.
Now several users are upgrading from 2-year-old Kyoceras to the Treo 650 and are getting burned, even with the slower/older QNC service.
I suppose I should have felt lucky that I got cheap cellular internet access for so long, but it's hard to start paying for something when you got a free ride before.
I splurged on a Motorola V710 cell phone; blue tooth, MP3 player, camera, ringtones, etc..
However, Telus followed Verizon's lead, and offered a crippled version of the phone. Even something as simple as sending an sound file or contacts via bluetooth wasn't possible.
The cell phone providers want you to send data to the phone over *their* charging network, not over a free network (bluetooth). It is really hampering convergence, in my opinion.
There are hacks for a lot of crippled platforms, but having to find a bootleg foreign ROM and reflash your phone is a bit extreme just to get a feature that was designed in by the manufacturer, but disabled by the provider.
This is actually a great argument for an *open* Cell/PDA platform. No silly crippling possible. I'd buy one, and choose a provider based upon the lack of such crippling ability.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
You can buy an untatinted Treo from Palum and use it with T-Mobile, or any ohter GSM provider. And since the provider hasn't loaded it with their crap, these unloccked Treos are very reliable in general I wouldn't use Cingular GSM though, they're crooks..
Have a look at the 'but it now' link - you can't purchase the software - you pay for a time based license.
Not nice
It is a CDMA limitation. The EDGE and GPRS packet-data services which run atop of GSM don't have this problem. Depending on implementation (both at the carrier and on the terminal - and I'm not sure of the Treo's implementation), GPRS (and I would presume EDGE) supports simultaneous voice and data. If the implementation doesn't support simultaneous use, an incoming or outgoing call will simply "pause" the data session. Calls can always interrupt the data.
An earlier poster mentioned he was able to get an unlimited data plan (possibly with a different telco). You might want to try that.
:)
Having used both, the Kyocera 7135 feels like a nasty hack compared to the Treo 650 - which feels much better integrated. You ought to like the upgrade to Palm OS 5, higher-res screen with better backlight, and the way faster processor.
It's a much nicer device
I mean, like "new" news? I recall reading about this "hidden DUN" hack on a site somewhere back when I bought my Treo several months ago.
OhioJoe
"Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity."
It is possible to keep your old data plan -- you might want to fight to get to higher-level wireless tech support.
The basic deal is they had lots of billing complaints, because it is easy to leave the network connection on with the Treo650. Therefore, it is Verizon policy to not sell any treo without a data plan.
However, if you sign up for the Pay-As-You-Go data plan, you can immediately call customer service to take off that plan and add a "1xPP1" feature, which takes data out of minutes. They'll rant to you about overage charges, and how it's not their fault if you get a $1000 bill, but they'll do it.
Vericon is coming!
Cingular too... There is no Bluetooth DUN out of the box. Timmay
I would love to see someone pick this up and make it better and keep it going!
Timmay