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Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Probe

0110011001110101 writes "NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet raised more than cosmic dust -- it also brought a lawsuit from a Russian astrologer. 'Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million -- the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost -- for her "moral sufferings," Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope." ' "

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  1. How good an astrologer is she? by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Funny
    "She earlier told the paper that the experiment would "deform her horoscope."

    Oh, and she didn't see this coming?

  2. NASA's next probe by dave-tx · · Score: 5, Funny
    NASA's reply to Marina Bai: "Would you be happier if our next probe was smashed into Uranus?"

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  3. Waaa. by say__10 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wish NASA would be as cynical as I am in their response. "Are you going to cry about it?" Then proceed to blow chunks out of 10 or 15 more comets, to show them who is boss.

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  4. Well then by epiphani · · Score: 5, Funny

    That settles it! I'm going ahead with my lawsuit against slashdot. I've never gotten a first post, and its fucked up my chi.

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  5. Not the first by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years ago a psychic in florida sued a MRI facility. Her claim was that the MRI had robbed her of her psychic abilities.

    1. Re:Not the first by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      > A few years ago a psychic in florida sued a MRI facility. Her claim was that the MRI had robbed her
      > of her psychic abilities.

      According to her lawyer, "She had no idea this would happen."

      Chris Mattern

  6. Your Daily Horoscope by BorisSkratchunkov · · Score: 5, Funny

    You may be persecuted by American space agencies today, dear Libra. However, despite your "moral sufferings" you will be able to gain great fortune from friends, family, and coworkers. Embrace your lawyers, Libra, for they will save you from the unnatural entropy of the universe caused by space probe crashes!

  7. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by Nplugd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Right, because "inane, utterly frivolous lawsuits" never EVER happened in the US so far. Ever.

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  8. Re:Her parents should be proud... by Bob3141592 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, if this suit is allowed to proceed, doesn't that also open her up to suits by her clients for all the predictions she made that didn't work out perfectly? 3oo million probably won't be enough for her to pay all the suits she'll lose if the courts determine astrology is legally valid and binding.

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  9. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by flabbergasted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, the next thing you know a bunch of fundamentalist christians will be trying to force through laws to push their form of creationism into public classrooms.

  10. Re:Her parents should be proud... by Saeger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Greedy parasitism isn't democr... oh.

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  11. NASA's dark secret... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    The REAL reason they popped that comet, was to improve the Feng-shui of the local celestial neighborhood.

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  12. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by Viking+Coder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope - but telling people in AIDS-stricken regions that using condoms is a sin... not so cool.

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  13. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by Tekzel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Which is more likely? Someone is going to force religion on you today or someone is going to try to enforce no religion at all or make a slam at them for being religious? The latter makes up for 99% of all religious conversations yet they all claim the 1% is the problem. Here's a thought. Leave them alone and let them live their life rather than trying to force a ban on religion everywhere


    Heres a hint. Making up numbers does not legitimize your point. In my experience, but then im from northern florida, the vast majority of the time its someone trying their best to convince me that I am going to hell because im an athiest. IF it were just a matter of "live and let live", that would be FINE. However, the religious zealots are most of the problem (again, from MY experience). I cant remember ever hearing of atheists assaulting religous people's person or property because they had a god sticker on it. However, I see and hear the reverse all the time. Happened to my wife (back when she was just my girlfriend). She had a pro Wicca bumper sticker and some god nut busted her windshield and wrote nasty stuff on her car with a magic marker, stuff along the lines that they should bring back witch burning. Kind and wonderful people, they are.
  14. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've seen astrolgers that don't know me but have written up complete reports about who I am and what I feel, think, and believe -- without ever having met me.

    James Randi did an experiment where he handed out horoscopes to a class of (college) students and had them rate how closely they matched reality. Most of the students said the horoscopes were accurate. He then had them swap horoscopes, and they found out that they all had the exact same horoscope. Now, how could ONE horoscope match everyone? Because it was filled with generalities and vague statements, that's how. The students themselves filled in the details where they were missing, and sub-consciously remembered the 'hits' more than the 'misses'.

    Now, without knowing the exact circumstances behind your case, I can't tell you for sure that's what happened. Only you can, if you choose to look at what happened objectively.

    I've seen people healed by faith healers,

    Really? If you can prove that, you might win $1,000,000! Go to www.randi.org for details.

    I've met psychics who can vividly describe situations and people that later become part of my life.

    I sense a... man, or maybe a woman. He is tall, maybe short. BLond hair, maybe brown or black. You'll like this person, or maybe hate them.

    How'd I do??

    And before you start talking about "cold reading", I have a solid background in psychology, and did not give these people a chance to meet me or be exposed to me to cold read me.

    You may "have a solid background in psychology", but you don't understand what 'cold reading' is. Cold reading does NOT depend on meeting the victim before hand, or even knowing anything about them before hand. That would be 'hot reading'.
    From Wikipedia: "Generally, the cold reader will make a series of vague statements, will observe the subject's reactions, and then will refine the original statements according to those reactions"..."even without prior knowledge of a person, a psychic could still obtain a great deal of his subject's history by carefully analysing his or her look and other background information, such as gender, religion, race, education level and place of origin."

    So, let's apply Occams Razor. Either there are people in this world who can 'speak to spirits', 'read minds', and have other paranormal powers (but choose to eke out a living reading palms instead of, say, getting the winnign lottery numbers). OR, there are people in this world who are frauds. Fakers. Con men.

    WHich is more likely?

  15. Re:Her parents should be proud... by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> if the courts determine astrology is legally valid

    I predict great disapointment in her future ;-)

  16. Re:Lets fire lawyers at the rock next time? by Zordak · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hold on there, cowboy. If you're going to post idiotic rants, at least be sure to toss in an inane "W is dumb-leyou" rant and blame the MPAA somehow. Sure, maybe you got lucky this time, but not every moronic brain fart gets "+5, Insightful" without those two essential elements.
    Seriously, without the huge surplus lawyer-mountain in the US, crazy shit like this wouldnt be an option.
    In an open court system, any moron can file a suit against anybody for anything. The story did not say that the Russian (did we miss that tiny detail in our rush to post "Insightful" word vomit about how lawyers are teh 5uX0r?) court had granted the lady summary judgment or anything. It just said that she filed it. If you really want to see how easy it is, go down to your local court house and file an action against the ABA and its Russian equivalent, and in your "Prayer for Relief," ask the judge to shoot all of the lawyers at a Comet. If you pay the fee, you are free to file your stupid, frivolous lawsuit (and maybe it will even make Slashdot). It will be dismissed and...
    I think US judges should be given encouragement to laugh in the faces of morons who bring court cases like this, and to charge them costs big time to put them off pulling such pathetic stunts.
    ...there's a good chance you will be fined under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure or a state equivalent (depending on where you file). Speaking of pathetic, could we call it slightly pathetic that you are, in response to a Russian lawsuit, angrily crying for U.S. judges to have a power that they already have and exercise? Honestly, can people not even be bothered to read the one-paragraph summary anymore?
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  17. Remember, they're a persucuted minority by Pac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surrounded by atheist barbarians who want to force their children into gay marriages, perform mandatory abortions on their pregnant daughters and burn all bibles in the libraries. You can never stop watching for those barbarians, else you will wake up to find 24 hours porn programming on all TV stations. With a bare-breasted Janet Jackson doing the weather.

  18. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by fyoder · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...that they are somehow made unique among humans by their keen intelligence, inside knowledge, and special placement in it.

    Ah, sort of like slashdotters ;-)

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  19. Re:Her parents should be proud... by Spackler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meanwhile, back in America, a Mr. Spackler of the entity Slashdot is suing some stupid Russian woman for $.65, which is the cost of the can of Pepsi I just spat out my nose.

  20. Re:Her parents should be proud... by njvic · · Score: 5, Funny

    ah.. a typical capitalist response!

  21. Re:McDonald's lawsuit was completely frivolous by egjertse · · Score: 5, Funny
    During the time leading up to the suit, McDonald's sold more than 10 cups of coffee at that temperature. There were only 700 burn incidents.

    So, on average each customer burned himself 70 times on the same cup of coffee? Damn...

  22. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is not banned in TX wholesale. My understanding, which is not complete as I don't have kids yet, is that each "ISD" (Independent School District?) has the power to set its own curriculum. Mine seems to teach both, I find this to be a horrible failure in society (that and the fact that PE is taught more rigorously than math, at least here). Creationism is not science, period.

    I'm finding there are 2 types of Texans, one I dislike a lot, and the other I like a lot. The neo-con lunatic is the kind I can't abide, but I'm finding these are not natives, they seem to be imported. The other kind of Texan is the gun toting, fuck government, don't tax me, if-I-want-to-kill-myself-being-stupid-let-me kind. I like them a lot and I did not find this in either California or anywhere in the north east.

  23. Re:The Russian court has got see reason, here. by Fished · · Score: 5, Insightful
    However, I see and hear the reverse all the time. Happened to my wife (back when she was just my girlfriend). She had a pro Wicca bumper sticker and some god nut busted her windshield and wrote nasty stuff on her car with a magic marker, stuff along the lines that they should bring back witch burning. Kind and wonderful people, they are.
    I'll make you a deal: you don't compare me to such "God Nuts" -- i.e. some teenager on a fling who thought it would be fun to divert the blame to Christians -- and I won't compare you to some of the great atheists of history ... like Stalin or Mao. On the other hand, you give Christianity some credit for the Mother Theresa's, Wilberforces, Martin Luther Kings, and Saints Frances, and I'll let you have J.S. Mill and the like.

    The sad thing about sick minds is that they can pervert any belief system. That's not the fault of the belief system, that's the fault of the minds.

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  24. Re:McDonald's lawsuit was completely frivolous by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The coffee spilled while she was removing the lid, as a passenger in a stopped car, in an attempt to add cream and sugar -- something very common among coffee drinkers. While many jurors did not originally feel that the case was warranted, after seeing the evidence, they were particularly struck by McDonald's callousness in the case. The plaintiff received third-degree burns on 6% of her body as a consequence of the spilled coffee and initally requested compensation for her medical bills, which for such extensive burns are significant. McDonald's knew that the risk existed, as they served their coffee very hot. They'd seen cases of this happening before (from first to third degree burns), settling out of court but not changing their policies.

    As a long-time coffee drinker, I frequently have a cup of coffee in the car. It spills. But third-degree burns are not part of any rational person's expectations of the consequences of spilled coffee. If you're going to serve something that carries that sort of danger -- one beyond normal expectations for the product -- to a place where it's well-known that spills will occur, at the very least there should be clear warnings. Maybe you disagree, but twelve people who actually listed to all the facts (and were not predisposed one way or the other) didn't.

    Of course, now you often can't get McDonald's coffee that's hot enough and they put warnings on their cups, which isn't necessary (though to do otherwise may make them guilty of not protecting their stockholders). So it seems silly in retrospect, as the beverage is just as hot as you'd expect, but with warnings. Still, warnings never hurt anyone.