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Firefox Gains on IE Again in June
kurtz_tan writes "Infoworld reported that Firefox increased its market share to 8.71 percent, up from 8 percent in May, while IE's share shrank to 86.56 percent from 87.23 percent. This is according to NetApplications.com. Since the beginning of the year, Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October."
We're number three! :-)
firefox/firefly I'm getting really confused...
Is it really news though? I like to see these stats as much as the next guy, but i mean, give me a shout when it hits 25%.
Does this combine Mozilla Suite(Seamonkey) & Firefox data, or is it being separated?
Well, as we can see, this starts with the most tech savvy users switching and continues to less tech savvy users, but by the 10% barrier, will enough people be even tech savvy enough to understand that the Big e isn't the internet? That's my major concern right there. People like that are the ones that keep me up at night, fearing for the future of our society that continues to depend more on technology but has less and less understanding of it.
When you in single percents it's easy to gain a couple more.
:-)
Linux is gaining on Windows for 14 years now and still is in single digits
Because I rebrand and reskin Firefox then install it on my clients' computers as "Internet Extreme". My saavier clients like how IEx prevents popups and spyware, and also like that it is from Microsoft so they know they can trust it.
Ahhh saavy clients...
You get only 8% market share and your main competitors haven't even tried in how many years?
As soon as MS decides to show up to this party, Firefox will follow the likes of Mosaic. It just isn't profitable for MS to play yet -- they are waiting to be "fashionably late."
As a MSFT shareholder I am pleased.
The real test will be when the new IE 7 comes out... I predict (and hope) that FireFox will continue to gain even when the "new and improved" IE get's here. http://www.getfirefox.com/
www.w3schools.com changed the way it shows browser statistics?
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They are saying that FF use is decreasing.
Maybe because Bill is worried about this and...
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.
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As everyday mom and pop users depend on Firefox instead of IE for browsing and more companies support Firefox, more exploits and holes will start to show up. I'm just glad that they update it frequently. Theres nothing like safe and secure browsing. It also means that more people will look to FOSS solutions. I have to admit, Firefox got me started.
But still, word.
Don't you mean "But still, OO.o writer"?
A recent study confirms 86.56 percent of computer users have massive amounts of malware on their computer.
Please remember that this 8.71 percent comes from a study of mostly north-american websites (NetApplication clients).
A similar study is done each month in Europe and the figures are quite different:
src: XiTi
I read in an article the other day that FireFox was so successful because it automatically imported all the user info, settings, etc. from IE. It also speculated that Linux would have to be able to import all of one's Microsoft settings, info, etc. to become successful.
I wonder how important someone's browser settings are to them. Am I wrong in thinking that FireFox is gaining market share just because it is easy to download and install and it has a reputation for not getting viruses?
Anyway, 10% is not exactly a dominant market share. Why are we getting excited?
This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October.
What effect do you think the release of IE7 (maybe before October) will have on Firefox market share?
I know the IE haters won't switch. But what about the Firefox users who are using it because it's the latest thing and because of features IE6 doesn't have but IE7 will(tabbed browsing, RSS reader, etc.)?
Firefox has 8% and you call that a clock cleaning?
I don't know how Microsoft can stay in business with Firefox and Apple cleaning their clocks.
there's more than one way to do me.
Since the beginning of the year, Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October.
No, that doesn't mean anything. If the trend continues then Firefox will cross the 10% threshold, but in order to determine whether that will realistically happen, one has to examine the underlying reasons for the current trend.
What are those factors? My guess would be that home users are continuing to adopt Firefox in favor of IE, and so I think it would be fair to say that it is likely that Firefox's growth will continue.
However, I think Firefox will hit a stumbling block when it comes to the edge of "business workstation" browser territory. Unlike the article predicts, I don't think Firefox will begin to take over, and at that point one could expect the growth trend to slow as the home user region alone becomes saturated (whether that will happen before or after 10%--probably after--is uncertain).
IE is too well integrated into the operating system and works too well within the Windows environment for it to be displaced. When a company admin wants to lock down users to limited access so that they spend their time working and not surfing the Internet, why install Firefox?
At my office the Internet access is controlled by Websense. I use a limited number of applications (Outlook and proprietary software) in order to do my job. There is no need to upgrade/replace IE with Firefox because I don't visit unsafe sites, I don't need a lower impact browser, and I don't need Firefox's features. To install another browser (trust me, I would love to get Opera on there myself) would, in all aspects, unneeded.
It's going to take a lot more than the current advantages of Firefox for the browser to supplant IE in the workplace, and there's no telling where IE7 will move the standards (hah!) bar. In a business environment, there's a huge advantage given to that whole integrated-browser-into-the-OS thing.
No, as I'm using Adblock ;-)
Of course, this means that (assuming 1% growth per month for easy math):
14% by Jan 2006
26% by Jan 2007
38% by Jan 2008
50% by Jan 2009
62% by Jan 2010
74% by Jan 2011
86% by Jan 2012
98% by Jan 2013
100% by Mar 2013
Sounds about right: no more IE in only 8 short years. The math couldn't possibly be wrong...
The only issue here is if the momentum will keep going strong, or will they lose focus or face obstacles? One of their main advantages is security, but with popularity comes more people trying to penetrate security.
Voice your opinion!
"This cleanup is free. The next one, if the need for it is caused by bad practice, won't be"
- follow this up with standard teach-in about browser security, risks posed by using the mainstream browser that is widely targeted, introduction of a different browser that doesn't have these particular problems
- provide printed sheet about system security for them to read if the teach-in wasn't clear enough
- install Firefox and AdBlock with a default set of REGEX filters to kill the worst excesses, and suggest they play with NoScript for ultimate safety, now that the browser-crashing bug that it sometimes triggers has been fixed.
Bingo
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
I'm still waiting for the day when Opera releases a version of their browser that identifies by default as Opera instead of IE. It will be really interesting to see how much this impacts both IE's and Opera's market stats.
For a lot of people thier bookmarks represent a lot of work - work they do not want to go through again.
I think they were spot-on in saying that's exactly why so many people have been able to adopt Firefox. That's the key term, "able" - it's not a feature that brings them over (you mentioned those), but it's an enabing feature that does not STOP them from switching.
Similarily I agree that a Linux distro that would copy Windows app settings and emulate, as closely as possible, the users Windows desktop, would lead to a lot of switchers. Especially from people who could breathe new life into an old and probably spyware-ridden computer through a lighter Linux install.
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Do the statistics allow for overlap; i.e.people who use multiple browsers? I realize that may be a small percentage, but if the published numbers are going to be to the second decimal point, it's got to weigh in there somewhere.
Those of us who use three (or more), either in regular use or for the purposes of testing - and just get accustomed to using multiples - should factor somewhere.
In addition to ff, the moz suite, epiphany, galeon, kmelon. Probably wouldn't add that much to the total as a couple of those are X only but still, would be interesting.
And I think that's the point of what firefox brings to the table. Some people like to say IE sucks FF rulez!!!
But the great thing about ff is that as it gains marketshare, since it adheres to standards, in the end it won't matter what browser you use as long as it conforms to the standard.
So in the end it won't matter if you use, konqueror, safari, opera, ff, etc. You know, kind of how it was meant to be.
One thing to note - in the end it says this:
Attention, il est important de noter que cette étude a été effectuée sur un week-end, où l'utilisation de Firefox est toujours plus importante qu'en semaine. La différence demeure importante entre les usages domicile et les usages au bureau (2 à 3 points en moyenne).
Which roughly means, if my french skills haven't yet totally dissapeared, that the study was made in the weekened, which slighly slants the study because Firefox is more used at people's homes than at work. But the last sentence says the difference between Firefox @ home and @ work is only of 2 or 3%, on average.
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It will take six months for firefox to make the changes needed to work with Longhorn. In that time every Longhorn user will go back to IE, because there is no way to use longhorn without IE, the usage of Firefox will drop from 40% to 20%. And even though security will be terrible, because the user will not know if they are in a secure zone. Computer techs are free to install other browsers, but that will not help as the user will actually have to start the browser, rather than just using what is already on the desktop.
By the time MS is once again convicted to anti trust behavior in 2013, Firefox will be down to 5%, and MS will have had most Firefox developers sent to jail for treason against the holy capitalist deity. MS will have to donate Longhorn to every school in the country, which will hammer the final nail into the coffin of the non-MS rebellion.
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Microsoft has fairly recently released a toolbar for IE that includes tabbed browsing and Desktop search. I've been a dedicated Firefox user for the last few years, but I can tell that the stats are going to shift back towards IE really fast when IE 7 is released with many commonly-used Firefox/Opera/etc features integrated, especially if MS releases it for XP too.
Whenever I see Opera cheerleaders, I have to wonder if they've ever done any web development. Opera's ECMAScript is attrocious compared to Firefox's. If Opera would spend more time on following the standards and less time on stupid eyecandy like making buttons animate when you mouseover, it might actually deserve the l337 reputation it has.
At my day job, I'm trying out the AWStats log file analyzer. Its a fairly large e commerce site, so that's about 3 gigs of access logs per day.
IE usage is about 10%
Firefox is about 4.8%
Other Mozilla/Netscape/Camino family browsers are about 2 %
Safari is about 1%
Opera is less common than WebTV! [on par with phone browsers]
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Well, thought the place I work at have blocked firefox for 2-3 months now, after a lot of pressure from the developement community of the office, they will mostly install it back - at least for the IT people.
But this has more to do with the strength of certain FF extensions like Webdeveloper Tool etc than the security provided by Firefox! Now this is something new, and if this trend continues elsewhere, FF can gain some more share - if not for its own strength, than on the strength of its extensions!!
I submitted this article from MSNBC (was rejected last week) the most interesting part is it calims that Firefox and other browsers are now at 18% of all adult US users. This was a random phone survey with a margin of error of 2%. I think it is some of the best data on the penetration of alternative browsers and something people could use to back up decisions to not just support IE. 20% if the market is not an amount that can be ignored.
/. won't take.
PS if you think you've seen this comment before, i posted it once already. It's a good article with pretty hard stats on Firefox and other's market share that
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Since there are 60% Windows 2000 out there, and 11% Windows 98SE too!
Your Longhorn will at best put a 1% dent in the first year (or whats left of a year).
Not enough to stop the steady but absolutely sure eroding slide of Internet Explod^Hrer's market share.
The only way out the Microsoft conudrum is to FIX INTERNET EXPLORER right the first time, on all Windows platforms (oh, and Mac as well; Oh, didn't IE appear on Sun/OS?).
Any economist can tell you that when your infrastructure is eroding due to lack of maintenance, it will REACH the point of no-return due to inaction.
Larger the infrastructure or user-installed base, the larger the inertia of motion required to change the tide. Me think, this is what occurred to IE.