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Microsoft and Google Fighting for the Skies

Robert writes "Today's SF Chronicle has an article about Microsoft and Google's new battle for the skies. Both companies now have similar products that combine maps and satellite photos. Roads and driving directions can be superimposed on imagery on both products." From the article: "Google and Microsoft are engaged in a major battle over Internet users. Each has unveiled a series of features designed to keep users loyal and grab a bigger share of the lucrative search-engine market. Yahoo, in Sunnyvale, also is a major competitor, though its executives have yet to express any interest in aerial images. Amazon.com offers street- level photographs of businesses through its A9.com search engine. "

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  1. it just doesn't seem like them by sweeney37 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm absolutely shocked by the way Microsoft took someone else's idea and co-opted it to be their own. just shocked.

    Mike

    1. Re:it just doesn't seem like them by MushMouth · · Score: 4, Funny

      this page was active in January of 1999, maybe google should stop copying other peoples ideas.

    2. Re:it just doesn't seem like them by cazbar · · Score: 3, Funny
      I can see the Microsoft patent attempt coming now...

      Method for showing simulated cheese when zoomed in on maps of the moon.

      Sorry Google, your creations are our property.

      (click here and zoom in if I lost you)

    3. Re:it just doesn't seem like them by Evro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft's had TerraServer for years... I think before I'd ever heard of Google.

      http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

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    4. Re:it just doesn't seem like them by donutello · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, to be fair, you would have to note that MSN put roadmaps right on top of the photos within days of Google launching this feature so it's extremely unlikely that they copied it (not enough time) and more likely that they were planning this all along and were just a little late to the party.

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    5. Re:it just doesn't seem like them by umeshunni · · Score: 5, Interesting

      FWIW, Google didn't build Google maps or Google earth. NEITHER were invented by google. Both were acquisitions (WhereTo and Keyhole respectively.
      Interesting to note a lot of the hypocrisy related to innovation vs acquisition over the last few days. It seems that when Microsoft acquires a company or technology, it is labeled as playing catch up. When Google acquires a company (or 2 in this case) they are widely credited as innovators.

  2. Canada by gregmac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Too bad MSN doesn't work in Canada at all, while Google works great. I do find it kind of funny that "Virtual Earth" is USA-only.. ;)

    That said, MSN has hi-res images of my cottage (which is right on the border, and only JUST made it in) while Google only has low-res images of that area.

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  3. fighting for the skies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    sweet, I hope it's somewhere over San Diego.. that place is a hellhole and could use a few fighter jets raining death over them...

  4. Hmmm.... by slapout · · Score: 4, Funny

    ....wonder when we'll see the beta of "Google Flight Simulator"....

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    1. Re:Hmmm.... by game+kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google Earth has a "G-Force" mode (CTRL-G) for doing plane-like maneuvers with the mouse. Odd controls, yes, but it sure beats waiting for http://flightsim.google.com/, or whatever it'll be, to go live.

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  5. msn maps sux by poison_reverse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the satellite images they are using are sometimes 10 years old or more! Google's images are very recent and accurate. Nice try Micrsoft but google has you beat on this one.

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    1. Re:msn maps sux by Momoru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, they share a lot of the same images. All the most high res images are mainly from the USGS, and Microsoft and Google are using the exact same images (I looked up my building new Washington DC, and the exact 4 cars are in the parking lot in both). In some cases Microsoft's are newer, in some cases Google (keyhole's) are newer. In a lot of the cases that matter, they are exactly the same.

    2. Re:msn maps sux by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      According to The Register MS still has the Twin Towers in all their finery (but Apple HQ seems not to have been built yet)

  6. So Yahoo won't do aerial images ... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny
    Since Google's motto is "do no evil", and Microsoft wants the home market, I guess Yahoo! will have to "settle" for porn images.

    Gee, in that case I KNOW who'll make more money off their image search! AND have the most loyal customers ...

  7. Re:Funny, by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've hated mapquest for years, their maps are small, nasty, and slow to scroll about. I'd rather look at a roadmap and pick a path than use them. In that regard, google maps (or this new MSN map thingy) are extremely nice, since I can figure out where to go, and switch to satellite at turns to pick out landmarks.

    The MSN one does have some impressive, albeit colorless, images. Google should try and get their sources to fill in the low-res areas in their maps (which I think have higher quality where they are high-res).

  8. New features coming soon! by Kisil · · Score: 3, Funny

    Word on the streets is Microsoft is planning an innovative news filtering application that will bring content from multiple sources into one easy-to-read page. Microsoft also has alleged plans for an innovative desktop search application that will allow users fast and easy access to content on their own machines.

    Both features due early in 2009. No word yet on whether these features will be supported for non-microsoft browsers.

    1. Re:New features coming soon! by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Interesting
  9. Mapping Abilities are Growing by PepeGSay · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've implemented mapping solutions for large vendor applications and the business benefits for it are awesome when it is implemented properly. The major impediment was the multiple thousand dollar cost. Web solutions allow the data holder to centralize the data, update it more often and fix issues faster. Googles *and* Mircrosoft's work on allowing you to overlay custom data is brilliant when you consider that Google maps can now be a service within an application architecture. Microsoft is not coopting or stealing Google's idea, far from it. This concept and its use in software is probably 20 years old and it has been becomeing more and more mainstream in applications. It is just being brought to the masses now.

    1. Re:Mapping Abilities are Growing by viva_fourier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I remember when terraserver.microsoft.com was in beta around 5 years ago(back before *beta* was cool) and a friend of mine used it to check property lines on a rural piece of land he intended to purchase...

      Microsoft had chosen to keep it a closed, fee-based service, and it subsequently was a bit stifled in development and acceptance.

      All Google did was open it up and keep it free, and it seems to be more widespread.

      Of the two approaches, Microsoft prefers to make money on its own terms as they have always done. Whereas, Google seems to be letting the market dictate where the technology is moving as well as how(if) they will profit from it...

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  10. I wonder... by donleyp · · Score: 2, Funny

    how long it will take Microsoft to come up with a way to monopolize the search engine market and cost us another $10 billion.

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  11. Tin Foil Hats Unite! by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    FTFA

    Aerial photographs used by Microsoft and Google can be outdated. On Microsoft's service, an overhead view of Apple Inc.'s headquarters in Cupertino showed only one building instead of the sprawling campus of 11 buildings.

    Now why would they want us to think Apple only had 1 building.. hrrrmmmmmmmm?!?!?

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    1. Re:Tin Foil Hats Unite! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now why would they want us to think Apple only had 1 building

      It's not Microsoft's doing.

      I read in alt.conspiracy that Apple is working on stealth shingle/roofing technology.

      When this tech comes out, I'm gonna make me a hat out of that material.

  12. Quality... by ktakki · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Both Google Maps and MSN Virtual Earth are supposedly "beta" products, but MSN VE looks more like a proof-of-concept than a beta. Compare equivalent views of Long Island Sound:

    MSN Virtual Earth

    Google


    It's not as if the Sound, Long Island's North Shore, or the Connecticut Shoreline areas haven't been photographed countless times by state and Federal agencies. I'm surprised that Microsoft exposed something that looks so slapdash to the public.

    Oh, wait...

    k.
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    1. Re:Quality... by tOaOMiB · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then again, let's focus in on the actualy nearby city of Bridgeport:

      MSN Virtual Earth

      Google Maps

    2. Re:Quality... by andycal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is hit and miss. For my house MSN is better, for my office Google is MUCH better. For one thing google has use color images which tell you more. MSN's appear to be IR images which are not as interesting to look at. Google's big advantage is closeups of the whole globe Pyramids Great wall of China.

      MSN will not zoom in beyond the general globe image on these areas.

      Also, for me MSN keeps failing to load images, I have to move away and back seveal times to view a whole page of images.

    3. Re:Quality... by MrScience · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right. And comparing the space needle yields different results (MSN has higher detailed imagery). They are both in beta.

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  13. Re:Observation. by Eclypser · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just looked out my office window. Congress really does look like that.

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  14. Re:The Winner in the long-term by borawjm · · Score: 3, Funny


    The first one that allows me to spy on the hot blonde down the street while she's sunbathing will be my winner

  15. Infinite Loop ? by y4h0oo · · Score: 2, Informative
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  16. Canada? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Funny
    Yeah, but that's Canada, man. Do they even need maps? I mean... is there anything *to* map? Other than moose migration vectors, barren tundric wastelands, scattered impact crater remnants and the Molson brewing plant, what the hell else is there worth getting a map to?

    Hey, I'm teasing! Calm down!

    1. Re:Canada? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah, but that's Canada, man. Do they even need maps? I mean... is there anything *to* map? Other than moose migration vectors, barren tundric wastelands, scattered impact crater remnants and the Molson brewing plant, what the hell else is there worth getting a map to?

      Yes, but it's extremely valuable to know just exactly how much more barren expanse of nothing is left on your journey.

      Sometimes friends will give directions to their houses like "travel 59.8 km through the tundra on this vector, turn left at the start of the muskeg, and then go north to the impact crater for 6kms". :-P

      Without precise directions and maps, we'd just all be wandering around in the tundra with no clue of where we're going.
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    2. Re:Canada? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Informative
      Original quote: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."

      From Walden, by Henry David Thoreau, AMERICAN!

      :-P ;-)

    3. Re:Canada? by falser · · Score: 2, Funny

      Canada does have a highway. It's intelligently named the "Trans-Canada Highway". It makes giving directions to different cities very easy: "East" or "West".

  17. That's easy by overshoot · · Score: 5, Funny
    Use Google to see where you are and where you're going.

    Use MSN to see where you grew up before the freeway went through.

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    1. Re:That's easy by b.thompson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True! MSN is still using pictures from early 1997. My house was built in May of 97 and MSN still shows it as an empty lot. You'd think they'd actually try to put something recent together instead of just cobbling up a new interface to Terrasever. http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

  18. moz only css extensions used? by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Funny to see them using CSS extensions that only work in Gecko based browsers like Firefox.

    I would love to figure out how to make opacity work for IE. I see them doing it and use code identical to theirs but mine doesn't work. Is there some trick to using the IE-only filter attribute in CSS?

    Of course if they'd just support the CSS3 opacity attribute in IE like Firefox does that'd work just fine too.. I'd be happy with decent CSS2, Javascript, and DOM support though.

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    1. Re:moz only css extensions used? by werdnapk · · Score: 2, Informative

      opacity in mozilla, IE...

      In the css...
      -moz-opacity:.7; /* for mozilla */
      opacity:.7; /* CSS way */
      filter:alpha(opacity=70); /* IE way *?

      For opacity to work in IE, you need to define a width or a height for the element you're using the opacity on.

  19. Um you have heard of TerraServer right? by MSFanBoi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft has been doing this for a LONG time. Much longer than Google. What were you saying now???

  20. They only copied Javascript :) by kuchin · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have TerraServer for a long time already, but it was always business-oriented. Now they slowly understand that common public can be took away from them by somebody else, who offer the same service for free (actually not for free, but this is another topic to discuss). So they just added Javascript and made it working for free.

  21. Don't see the point of either. by papasui · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like the maps available with both services and have extended Google Map API into some pretty neat tools. I don't see a ton of use out of the current imagery offered by either service though. In both cases the resolution offered makes it hard to identify most places. Is it just for the 'cool' factor or are there really significant uses for it? I'm assuming there must be and I just don't know what they are. To me the street maps are 100x more useful, which is also the reason I don't understand the use of Google Earth. Sure I think it's very cool but why doesn't it include the street maps, and what is the use of putting the 3D shape of buildings on it? I'm being 100% serious, someone please enlighten me.

  22. WAY out of date by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Funny
    OK, I can forgive if the some of the stuff is a little out of date, but this is just ridiculous.

    MS Virtual Earth zoomed all the way out

  23. Re:The Winner in the long-term by L.Bob.Rife · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Search isn't Google's strong point anymore.

    Huh? Please explain what you think Google's strong point is. Please tell me what Google's main focus is since you claim it isn't indexing and searching information.

  24. Competition? by Sierpinski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In most other realms, competition is viewed as a good thing. It seems that with Microsoft (or any other large software company) that they want to completely squash the opposition.

    Where did that land them before? In court for an anti-trust lawsuit. (Which seems to have had very little, if any, impact on them as a company. How many billions of dollars busiess do they do in a year?)

    Competition should be the motivation to strive for excellence, not to hit your competition over the head with a giant iron hammer that still has yet to be patched with SP2.

    1. Re:Competition? by thomas.galvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In most other realms, competition is viewed as a good thing. It seems that with Microsoft (or any other large software company) that they want to completely squash the opposition.

      To be fair, competition is only seen as a good thing by the people being competed over. Almost any business owner with any sense wants to be the best, and only, at what he or she does.

  25. But can you use it to fight SPAM? by doublem · · Score: 2, Funny

    Amazon.com offers street- level photographs of businesses through its A9.com search engine

    Nifty idea. It'd be great if this could be used to send Spammers photos of their businesses, or maps to their houses when they Spam us.

    Nothing more. No threats, no other action, just a simple photo of thier home or business sent right to their e-mail account or FAX machine.

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  26. What? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Informative

    You ARE aware that Microsoft had both maps AND sat images before Google, right?

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  27. Real value in the APIs by joeytheslimeball · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google has a mapping API that lets webmaster's create mapping applications on their own sites using google's massive map server resources. Already a very lively developer community has grown around it. Some sites have even built complete GIS systems on it. Microsoft's virtual earth also has an API. that looks very usable. I think that the competition between these two giants will only bring good things to us all.

  28. Re:One feature... by zipwow · · Score: 2

    Have you looked recently? There seems to be a scale bar in the google maps that I'm looking at.

    Or does the one in MSVE do something else that you're expecting in google maps?

    -Zipwow

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  29. Try clicking the 'Roads' checkbox in GE by donert · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shows you the streets.