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Geek Blogging is in Decline

p0 writes " Geek blogging is in decline. Can the geek bloggers be saved? Saving is probably not the right word, because there is always going to be a market place for the Dave Winers of this world; it's just that their audience will continue to shrink in relation to market share in comparison to other existing, and yet to be written blogs. [New consumer] bloggers aren't going to be interested in Winer driving a car and finding free internet access, nor Scoble playing with alpha technologies with other geeks whilst seemingly camped out in someone's office."

176 comments

  1. Found in a blog, even. by Kid+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess that makes it news if you find it in a blog.

    1. Re:Found in a blog, even. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Winer driving a car and finding free internet access, nor Scoble playing with alpha technologies with other geeks whilst seemingly camped out in someone's office."

      Oh, oh! Where can I find this one? Link, please!

  2. Judging by the amount of responses to this article by t0qer · · Score: 4, Funny

    2 comments, both below my threshhold and the article has been here for a good 5 minutes.

    Yah geek blogging is dead.

  3. No wonder geekblogging is in decline by Tim_F · · Score: 3, Informative

    Topics like those listed in the article summary are maybe only vaguely interesting once. I know I get bored discussing that stuff over and over again. The geeks that do discuss things like that repeatedly are the ones that bore my socks off. Imagine what the general public must think when they come across something like that.

    1. Re:No wonder geekblogging is in decline by Mishra100 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Topics:
      Gas prices are high
      Alternatives to gas
      Linux is better than windows
      Nintendo doesn't have a stable market
      PSP sucks, DS sucks
      MS does more stupid shitty things

      Sound familiar?

    2. Re:No wonder geekblogging is in decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most ironic. Slashdot post. Ever!

    3. Re:No wonder geekblogging is in decline by Beavbo · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot: Google does $something

  4. Meh. by Shky · · Score: 4, Funny

    In related news, early adopters are eventually joined by late adopters in an event that has been dubbed as "popularity."

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    1. Re:Meh. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never heard of the blogs that were linked to in the blurb. I don't read blogs, unless you count Slashdot - which I dont' really since Slashdot is just a regular website (when was the last time Taco talked about his trip somewhere or hemos gave the breakdown on his relationship or.. anything from any of them in fact).

      I didn't even know blogs have been around that many years. I didn't even really know about them as "blogs" until a year or two ago. And there aren't really blogs that I care to read. I look at engadget, but I dont' see how that's a blog either. It's more of a bunch of links than a blog. Or are we now calling collections of links "blogs" as well? And blogs that are links to blogs about blogs about blogs are blogs, too?

      I couldn't care less what happens to blogs. Let all the 12 year olds and single moms flood the net with them. Nobody's forcing me to read that crap.

      Blogs are just instant-sites for those with what they think is something important to say that don't have the intelligence or interest in setting up their own actual website.

      In other words, I guess this sort of effects me the same way telling me Dawson's Creek is about to be canceled would. I simply wouldn't care because it has nothing to do with my life or my interests.

    2. Re:Meh. by kfg · · Score: 1

      Once upon a time when you picked up a phone you were pretty sure to get Watson on the other end.

      Ahhh, the good old days.

      Now the phone lines seem to be jammed with muggles talking about sex, the weather and shopping lists.

      What happened?

      KFG

    3. Re:Meh. by juglugs · · Score: 1

      You still use 'phones with lines?
      Tsk. That's Sooooo 1980's...

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    4. Re:Meh. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it's easy to downplay "blogs"* but didn't they have a strong influence in how some elections played out? They seem to have been instrumental in getting out some embarassing facts that certain politicians didn't want known and wasn't covered by the regular media. Wasn't the video of evidence of Pat Robertson's lie first posted on a web log?

      * I really don't like the name, hence the quotes.

    5. Re:Meh. by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny
      Historical point -- when the word "weblog" was coined, Slashdot was *the* prototypical example. C'mon, judging from your UID, you've been here long enough to know that.

      And FYI, Dawson's Creek ended maybe three years ago....

    6. Re:Meh. by kfg · · Score: 1

      I'm an old person in . . .Schenectady.

      KFG

    7. Re:Meh. by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 1

      Newslog, or Slog, maybe nlog? NLOGN? Big O notation?
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      Anyway..

      Whenever I think of blog, I think of some hypersensitive techie with his journal, maybe some comments listed.

      When I think of Newslog, I think of news stories posted, and comments. (Slashdot, K5, Fark, etc)

      But people are lazy, and generally don't care about my pet peeves as much as me.

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    8. Re:Meh. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      Heh... I have my mobile phone programmed with a ringtone recording of an old 1970s British Telecom model 700 phone (i.e. with the mechanical bell), but none of the kiddies at my university seem to understand the joke.

      And I thought it was so cool... :-(

    9. Re:Meh. by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      It's too bad I don't have mod points right now because you'd get them.

      I've always looked at "blogs" as an annoying fad which has recently gotten the attention of almost every corner of the media. No real "blog" has the attentive audience that traditional media does, nor does it have anywhere near the impact. If some shmuck's "blog" did reach the same influence as something akin to CNN it stopped being a "blog" a long time ago and has transformed into a form of independent author's rhetorical column.

      When it comes down to it, nobody really want's to hear what you had for dinner, how your date went, or if your hemorrhoids are clearing up. If there's a shared interest it might invoke some discussions, and that's the only valuable attribute of a "blog". People have always fawned over celebrities, so when Brad Pitt starts a public "blog" fanatics don't get excited because he's "blogging", it would be the same as if he was yelling out his window. I'm not sure what's more depressing, when some average Sally "blogs" about what she's going to wear today, or when somebody actually *reads* that crap regularily.

      Just because everyone now has an easy and free way to express their opinion to billions of people doesn't make their opinions any better. The only influence change is in those who don't really matter anyway. Opinions are still like assholes... everyone has one and they all stink. :)

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    10. Re:Meh. by croddy · · Score: 1
      no.

      bloggers were falling all over themselves for howard dean, remember? he didn't come close to being nominated, let alone elected. and the "blogosphere" wept.

      blogs serve as an "echo chamber" for like-minded people. they link to each other, post in agreement with each other, and then count the posts and post about how much they agree with each other some more.

      pat robertson has never even been as close to nomination or public office as howard dean was to the presidency. uncovering a lie he told is not even a blip on the political radar.

      it is inevitable that bloggers will eventually gain an understanding of the true scale of this echo chamber. once they begin to realize that they have dedicated several megabytes of bandwidth preaching mostly to the choir, their numbers will fall off, and blogging will give way to the next internet fad.

      in the meantime, all i need is a good search engine that keeps them out of sight.

    11. Re:Meh. by Mozk · · Score: 1

      Is your zip code 12345?

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    12. Re:Meh. by LoadWB · · Score: 1

      Coolness is in the eye of the beholder. Remember that elitist and "inside" jokes are also cool because no one else, or few others, "get it." :)

      What makes me sick is I found an old desktop model rotary phone in a local antique shop for $75. Looked to be the same model that I used to learn about how not to handle phone electronics while someone called you (back around 1986-ish.) I think my parents threw it out when we moved in the early 90's. *sigh* If only I knew then...

    13. Re:Meh. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      blogs serve as an "echo chamber" for like-minded people. they link to each other, post in agreement with each other, and then count the posts and post about how much they agree with each other some more.

      it is inevitable that bloggers will eventually gain an understanding of the true scale of this echo chamber. once they begin to realize that they have dedicated several megabytes of bandwidth preaching mostly to the choir, their numbers will fall off, and blogging will give way to the next internet fad.

      The same could be said of Slashdot. The "group think" mentality is far worse on Slashdot than on any blog, and the articles posted are often posted with a bias, yet will mostly only be read by people who agree with that point of view.

      What you describe is a problem at all levels: from the national newspapers who post biased articles that are only read by people who agree with them, to a group of friends chatting in a pub, who all have the same opinions.

      There is still however an advantage, in that even if you're preaching to the choir (be it on Slashdot or a blog), it is useful to convey information about events that are happening (I read Slashdot because it generally informs me of things I want to know about).

      Also, even though my friends have similar views to me, I still have interesting and useful discussions through blogs - minus the idiots/trolls you find on webforums such as Slashdot.

    14. Re:Meh. by Nomad37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me summarise your point of view (from my point of view):

      1. I don't like blogs
      2. Any blogs I do like, I will classify as not being a blog
      3. Thus, through a feat of amazingly selective definition, I can confidently anounce that I don't care about any of the sites I don't enjoy reading.

      Thank you, thank you, more lessons in deceptive arguments in the future (by which I mean any part of the future I feature in, cuz the other stuff that is going to happen after the present, I don't really count as the future, since I don't care about it).

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    15. Re:Meh. by kfg · · Score: 1

      No, but I can see it from here.

      KFG

    16. Re:Meh. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Where as you and the rest of the world apparently define a blog as "any website which does not stay static for eternity and has some form of updates or added content over a period of time". You know.. kind of like... oh... A WEBSITE.

    17. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the general Slashdot definitive source is Wikipedia, so Blog: a web-based publication consisting primarily of periodic articles. With several different types, the primary one that Slashdot would fit under is News Many weblogs provide a news digest on a certain topic, with short abstracts/summaries and links to interesting articles in the press. Along with user comments and moderation, that is the quintisential blog.

    18. Re:Meh. by azaris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When it comes down to it, nobody really want's to hear what you had for dinner, how your date went, or if your hemorrhoids are clearing up. If there's a shared interest it might invoke some discussions, and that's the only valuable attribute of a "blog". People have always fawned over celebrities, so when Brad Pitt starts a public "blog" fanatics don't get excited because he's "blogging", it would be the same as if he was yelling out his window. I'm not sure what's more depressing, when some average Sally "blogs" about what she's going to wear today, or when somebody actually *reads* that crap regularily.

      The irony of venting on a blog about how much blogs suck and expecting other people to read with interest is apparently lost on many of these blog-haters.

      Not all blogs are about the boring lives of mundane people, and even if they were that would still be more interesting than reading this perpetual moaning about blogs.

    19. Re:Meh. by che.kai-jei · · Score: 1

      you probably watch carpetbaggers [no not some wierd porn its old 70s espionage series about mi5 way better than fucking spooks, state of play or CSI or whatever]

      kudos .. but i odnt have a mobile that even does polyphonic.. i would love to get a decent linux PDA that could do wi fi and gsm so i could hybrid voip and gsm as cost suits and also case mod it into one of those huge 80s satphone type things.

    20. Re:Meh. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      But don't you see the general stupidity of that?

      This is nothing more than me saying "I am going to call driving your car to work "spiffing". And then claiming "spiffing is overwhelmingly popular! everyone is doing it!". Bullshit. You've just commandeered somethign that has been around for 20 years and gave it a new name.

      What you describe above account for about 99% of the internet. Maybe 95% if you require commenting as a requisite.

    21. Re:Meh. by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      The irony of venting on a blog about how much blogs suck and expecting other people to read with interest is apparently lost on many of these blog-haters.

      See, I don't view /. as a blog at all. It is a niche news media site, owned by a corporation, with a commenting system to allow readers to discuss whatever has been posted. It's not a [web] log of anything.

      Kind of like CSPAN when they let people call in after a televised debate, but for nerds instead of old ladies.

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    22. Re:Meh. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      you probably watch carpetbaggers

      Sorry to break my street cred, but the truth is that I'm just well and truly old enough to remember the old hardware.

      Put it this way, the first modems I used occupied a 16/5.5/20 inch space and ran at a truly impressive 300 bps. And yes, they were hooked up to the clockwork phones that I mentioned. In those days, that was the bleeding-edge way of transmitting data to our Burroughs B3700 mainframe machines.

    23. Re:Meh. by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let all the 12 year olds and single moms flood the net with them.

      Interestingly, what you're talking about is most likely not a blog.

      Journal = Daily record of events (taken from define:journal)
      Diary = Daily record of personal events (as in, not affecting much else) - read: what most people use blogging/journal software for, and what you're talking about
      Weblog = Daily record of websites visited

      A pure blog will contain links to interesting sites (interesting meaning interesting to the author).

      A pure diary will talk about personal events (e.g., OMG I jsut got dumped!)

      There's other kinds of journals, of course, but those are the big two.

      Mine is mostly a blog, with a slight hint of diary in there (used to complement the links). Basically, anecdotes tied to sites.

      (OK, so there are the entries about Cedar Point and this laptop...)

      Also, I've had my own site, but I've seen no need for it, as the journal format simply works better. If I actually get the chance to work on some projects, a different format will definitely work better, and I'll set up a traditional site.

    24. Re:Meh. by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      When it comes down to it, nobody really want's to hear what you had for dinner, how your date went, or if your hemorrhoids are clearing up.

      I feel sorry for people that don't have a Mommy.

  5. It's official by Mock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's official!

    Careful, well thought out blog pieces are on the decline, and are in danger of becoming extinct as muddled or non-thinkers take over the web!

    If you don't believe me, just look at the evidentory piece cited above.

    1. Re:It's official by myslashdotusername · · Score: 1

      the meek^H^H^Hispelling masses shall inherit the net.

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    2. Re:It's official by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I smell a research grant.

    3. Re:It's official by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 1

      But what will you do with it once it's yours? :p

  6. Its not in Decline by dcstimm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it based on Percentage? Just because there is a million idiots out there flooding the internet with their blogs its lowering the percentage of geeks that do it.

    No big deal

    1. Re:Its not in Decline by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      Indeed... but I'm sometimes a bit slow on the uptake, so by the time I got around to attempting to look at a few blogs I found it was too late. There's so much crap (splogs) in blogspace now, you have to be fairly determined to find any with real content.

      Seems to me that "serious" bloggers would benefit from backing away a little and putting their material on to a more formal webpage instead. Then the sploggers can crapflood the main blogger sites to their hearts' content until they get taken down.

  7. Good news by Mensa+Babe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hopefully the ordinary blogging will follow.

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  8. They are the ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I thought it was the geeks who were the ones who blogged.

  9. And why are you surprised? by TheWart · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think most people recognized the blogging craze as just that: a fad that will ebb along with every other fad...

    Sure, there are those blogs that will always have readers, posters, etc...but (hopefully) the days of "OMG...I HAVE A BLOG!!! READ IT!!" are over.

    1. Re:And why are you surprised? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      I think most people recognized the blogging craze as just that: a fad that will ebb along with every other fad...

      I think you misinterpreted the article (just as I think the article misrepresents the topic). I don't think the case is really that geek blogs are on the decline, and there are as many that remain very important in the geek community. However, as blogging has gone mainstream, the geek blogger has been dwarfed by the mainstream blogger, thus losing relational rankings in things like the top 100. This doesn't mean that it declined except in a top 100 ranking, and these bloggers could have 3x the readership they had a year before and still faced the same decline.

      Nonetheless I do think you're right - blogging is just the second wave of Geocities accounts, and just like the first wave it'll fade. I doubt it would have garnered nearly the popularity it has if not for Adsense making advertising income available to the pedestrian level.

    2. Re:And why are you surprised? by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      blogging is just the second wave of Geocities accounts

      All those blogs are Geocities accounts?

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    3. Re:And why are you surprised? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      blogging is just the second wave of Geocities accounts

      All those blogs are Geocities accounts?


      Uh, I think you missed the point by being too rigidly literal.

      The point was that Geocities made it easy for anyone to put up a personal web page (and anyone did, thus the low average quality), and blogs made it easier for anyone to post their own public diary (and anyone did, thus the low average quality).

    4. Re:And why are you surprised? by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I'm still not following you. A "blog" is an online diary. Therefore online diaries cannot have made it easier for people to post their online diaries. I can only presume you're talking about specific blogging software, instead of blogs themselves.

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    5. Re:And why are you surprised? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      Do you have Asperger's Syndrome? I'm 100% serious.

      People had online diaries long before the term blog was coined (indeed, it's what most Geocities sites were). The term blog was coined in relation to a general format of online diary, and a generalized method of posting entries (which was the very generic textarea style entry). It is the ease of entry of all blogs that has led to the mainstream acceptance, not the fact that it's an online diary.

  10. The Bloggerboom? by Alystair · · Score: 1

    This is reminding me of the whole internet boom, except with way less invested.

  11. In unrelated News by MatthewNewberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In Unrelated News: Dork and Nerd Blogs are on the rise.

    1. Re:In unrelated News by Skuldo · · Score: 1

      Insightful???

    2. Re:In unrelated News by MatthewNewberg · · Score: 1

      I agree that was not inslightful, maybe they need a Dry Humor moderation.

  12. Geek Graphic Designers in Decline, Too by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have been since about 1995.

    In the five or so years prior to that, as the geeks were the first to establish presences on the Web (both as individuals and for their companies), we wrote the HTML, load-balanced the servers, and photo-shopped and [saints preserve us...] ShockWaved our heinies off, cuz the medium was so new, no one knew it looked like crap. It was just new tech, and we were the tech guys, so, we did it. All of it, including the design and content stuff that we had no business having anything to do with. Circa mid-90's, proper business practices began to develop, and the professional content and design people "moved on to the Web," and we geeks, for the most part, found ourselves back in the server rooms and behind our compilers where we belonged.

    What are "blogs" but 21st century "personal web pages?" The content management software is slicker than the vi and notepad.exe we used 15 years ago, but the intents are the same. And we Geeks were once again at the forefront (and it showed, in most of the pedantic content). Now, big media and other corporations have caught the new-old wave, and the content people too busy with their professional deadlines up to now are finally being pointed towards the direction of the -- dare I say it? -- 'blogosphere.' Geeks, once the blogging majority, find their mindshare getting edged out by pro writers, photographers, designers, and people who just have more interesting lives about which to blog.

    It's not a bad thing.

    In the meantime, the geeks are moving into podcasting, and so the Circle of Life continues... (cue the zebras...)

    1. Re:Geek Graphic Designers in Decline, Too by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      Well, you didn't have to go so far as to use stupid media catch-phrases like ****osphere or ***casting (*'d out to pass the yuppie filter), the latter of which is hardly new or a geek endeavor, what with the fact that it's really just streaming audio by another name and even talk show hosts who can't figure out to use their phone systems are doing it, but your post is pretty much right on. I don't think, though, that is any particular direction the "geeks are moving" right now, they're just being displaced in the area of online authoring due to the way they've made it so easy, through blogger and the rest, for non-technical people to get started.

  13. I think the answer is easy by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Geeks like to do things differently. They're also early adopters. When blogs become the universal tool for 13 year olds to post about their feelings about becoming a woman, random guys posting about their new cars, all manners of Roland Piquepailles making a fat buck out of it, and any old idiot raving and ranting about things nobody gives a shit about, geeks get tired of it, disillusioned and move on to the next New Cool thing[tm] that's probably there already, just still under the radar.

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    1. Re:I think the answer is easy by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      geeks get tired of it, disillusioned and move on to the next New Cool thing[tm] that's probably there already, just still under the radar.

      I think you have the causality the wrong way around. It's geeks that build things like blogging tools and it's geeks that get the rest of the world doing it too. It's not that geeks get bored and move on to the "next big thing" - it's just that "the next big thing" is usually built by geeks, so they are inevitably the initial core user group. The real difference between mainstream and cutting edge is simply that the geeks doing mainstream stuff aren't as obvious as the geeks doing cutting edge stuff because everybody is doing mainstream stuff.

      Think about it - email, the WWW, etc - once they were the sole province of geeks. The geeks built the next big things as well, but they didn't do it because they were bored and moved on, did they?

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    2. Re:I think the answer is easy by myslashdotusername · · Score: 1

      Actually 'geeks' had nothing to do with either of those... those were pioneered by the high paid research nerds. you know tenured college professors, research scientists etc. geeks are underachiever nerds ;) and usually the nerds are the pioneers and the geeks are the testbed, and then the posers come along, and then finally the uneducated masses catch up. in general someone who thinks nerds and geeks are the same doesn't qualify as either. it's like saying a kitten and a tiger are the same, because they're both feline.

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    3. Re:I think the answer is easy by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      in general someone who thinks nerds and geeks are the same doesn't qualify as either.

      The connotations of the words "geek" and "nerd" vary from region to region, and from time to time. Perhaps it's true that where you are from, geeks are considered to be wannabe hangers-on to nerds, but where I am from, the sole difference between geeks and nerds is that geeks have social skills. Nitpicking over me talking about geeks as pioneers simply comes across as ill-informed, elitist dick-waving.

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    4. Re:I think the answer is easy by ebooher · · Score: 1

      "Think about it - email, the WWW, etc - once they were the sole province of geeks. The geeks built the next big things as well, but they didn't do it because they were bored and moved on, did they?"

      Um ... actually ... Yes, they did. All of it, every bit of technology that has come down the pike, is because of a bored geek that was staring at his terminal thinking to him/herself "Isn't there a better way to do this?"

      Email? Geek waiting for a Professor to login to the mainframe to drop him a "walled" statement thinking, "Darnit, isn't there a way to just leave it for him so it alerts him when he logs in so I don't have to sit here for the next six hours waiting for him to get into the office in Zimbabwe?"

      WWW? "I need to share this static information with several people in Berlin, one in England, a Professor in Boston and a married couple in Sydney. How do I get them to see it in the format I need them to see it in?"

      Flash? Java? Blogging? The internal combustion engine? The light bulb? The harpsichord? All the same. Somewhere, right now, there is a bored geek waiting for a response or a hit to a log or a notification from a server thinking "Isn't there a better way?"

      The World was built on the back of geeks.

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    5. Re:I think the answer is easy by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      You've missed my point. Just because geeks go on to built other cool stuff, it doesn't mean that they get bored with and stop using the stuff built earlier. The examples I gave - email and the WWW - are still widely used by geeks, despite many "next big things" having been built since then. Consider the context:

      When blogs become the universal tool for 13 year olds to post about their feelings about becoming a woman, random guys posting about their new cars, all manners of Roland Piquepailles making a fat buck out of it, and any old idiot raving and ranting about things nobody gives a shit about, geeks get tired of it, disillusioned and move on to the next New Cool thing[tm]

      My point is that geeks don't move away from something when it goes mainstream, they are merely less noticable. Twenty years ago, PC owners were mostly geeks. Now all kinds of people have them. Geeks didn't "get tired of it, disillusioned and moved on to the next New Cool thing[tm]", they just represented a smaller proportion of the PC owner demographic.

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    6. Re:I think the answer is easy by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      WWW? "I need to share this static information with several people in Berlin, one in England, a Professor in Boston and a married couple in Sydney.

      As I understand it, the web was created to facillitate the sharing of academic information (papers, etc) between researchers. In that sense, you're half right, but the "married couple in Sydney" wouldn't have been on the inventers' minds.

    7. Re:I think the answer is easy by mildgift · · Score: 1

      Podcasting wasn't really "invented" by Adam Curry, a non-nerd technophile, but he did write the first script that did exactly what he wanted.

      Podcasting existed before, somewhat, as other forms of scheduled downloading. There were companies spending money on making it happen.

      Curry just happened to do it correctly, in the right environment, with the right gadgets, for the right audience, and gave it a name. Then he promoted it with content. But, give the geek credit.

      Jabber was geek-ware.

      So was Linux. Though, Linux was not really innovation as much as implementation.

      Hypertext was invented by a geek, not a "nerd". Ted Nelson's Xanadu was invented on paper, by a writer.

      Geeks make a lot of good things. They're interesting and practical.

  14. Re:Time by Seumas · · Score: 1

    A PHPPhD?

    A PHP2D?

  15. Re:Judging by the amount of responses to this arti by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1, Funny

    2 comments, both below my threshhold and the article has been here for a good 5 minutes.

    Yah geek blogging is dead


    I don't know, isn't there a sci-fi show on cable somewhere right now? That can explain geeks not responding in a timely manner.

  16. Well by varmittang · · Score: 1

    My guess, is that geeks don't find blogs that fun, or cool. While everyone else who doesn't know much about computers thinks this is the coolest think since sliced bread and its simple to do. Just log into a blog site and start blogging about their life or whatever they want to talk about and most of it is pointless rants about nothing. Just fludding the internet with more crap that google searches have to sort through for us to get our answers about the geek things we are looking for.

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    1. Re:Well by varmittang · · Score: 1

      Did that count as a blogging.


      F*ck!

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  17. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A PhD Hypertext Processor?

  18. Bloggers perhaps by fussili · · Score: 3, Funny

    But there seems to be a glut of excellent Geek Podcasts - I guess that eventually there were so many of us that a few had to end up with some form of charisma.

    Monkeys, Typewriters, you know the drill. Imagine if you will that when we reach some 'critical mass' of geeks, one of us will statistically be socially adept and even capable of balancing an active social life with rampant Geeking-out. It's like the Matrix only with less IP theft.

  19. Re:Gentoo?? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Is this the new "Hot Grits"?

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    Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
  20. the scene is far from dead by eneville · · Score: 1

    /. is safe as houses though!

    I have my own geek blog, and it's not just any other blog, it has it's own special features in the way it works etc, yeah, I'll open it up soon, but until it's sorted it will remain closed.

    That's not terribly useful right now, but I see the geek blog as a can of food for google. The more detail I put into the blog, the more chance users will hit my site, and thus use the paypal button.

    I do watch the webalizer statistics, and certain searches do repeat, so the demand for the data is there, so the demand too for writers does exist.

    We need to take a look at what was going on two or three years ago, security was a much more interesting subject, and people were beginning to go wireless, windows XP was also new and interesting.

    Right at the moment the newest thing for joe public is windows 2003, so it's all quiet at the moment, and I don't think this is really going to have any earth shattering effect on things generally.

  21. Decline? by Pomme+de+Terre! · · Score: 1

    Since when is technology the sole defining characteristic of geeks? I'm a geek. I blog about books that I'm reading. I seem to recall reading being a geeky activity, ergo it's a geek blog.

    You don't need teh mad skillz to get Linux running on a spoon in order to be a geek.

    Pomme de Terre!

  22. Depends on how you define "Geek" by Vonotar82 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh, I don't know about decline...let's look at it like this: Gaming was once considered "geeky", now it's almost the best way for random strangers to meet and unite behind a common goal, i.e. to win. 1up.com has an extensive blogging network, and I daresay most of it is, or WAS geeky in nature. It all depends on how you use the word. Not all geeks are the Dilbert type. Some are more extroverted, and though their interests are deep in the geek world, they can express themselves with the clarity and excitement of a Dan Brown or Clive Cussler. So I would imagine this "decline" is true...but only for a given value of true.

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    "I drank WHAT?!"--Socrates
  23. Zonk and blogging stories by The+Hobo · · Score: 4, Informative

    YAZBS (Yet Another Zonk Blogging Story)

    Look for the magic word in the title/summary/links:
    One Two Three Four Five Six Seven Eight Nine Ten Eleven Twelve Thirteen Fourteen

    There's probably more, but there's definitely a trend: If you want a story posted on Slashdot, find (or in some cases, make up) blog-related "news" while Zonk is on duty

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    There is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. -- Boondock Saints
  24. No surprises here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geeks are prettymuch by definition not good at being popular. Any time you have a new technology, geeks are the ones who can figure out how to use it first, early adopters, etc. Then it becomes easier to use, available to the masses, and the "cool kids" take over, leaving the kids at the back of the cafeteria to find the next cool thing. I'm sure it was the same thing with stone tablets, parchment, movable type, recordable audio, film, etc. Same pattern.

    Now, let's forget this blogging crap, and move onto those "R2D2 Princess Leia Obi won you're my only hope" - style holigrams...

  25. Well, that's obvious by mincognito · · Score: 1

    Every slashdotter already knows this. I mean, this place has been in decline for years.

    Nothing to see here...

  26. I'm amazed... by merkac · · Score: 5, Insightful
    that we have something as cool as a worldwide computer network, and yet we've labelled practically everything on it as a "blog".

    You write your thoughts down on a web page? that's a blog
    You keep a travel diary on the web? That's a blog.
    You keep an updated todo list on the web? That's a blog.
    You keep track of your projects on a web page? That's a blog.
    You keep an updated list of links to tech/news/gossip/anything? That's a blog.

    Blogging is like the word "smurf".

    Of *course* blogging is important if you label every fucking thing on the web "a blog".

    Why can't we get over all these stupid meta-blogging articles, and realise that it's just fucking "content creation by individuals" and it doesn't need a fucking name.

    1. Re:I'm amazed... by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

      It's more like the word "spam". :)

    2. Re:I'm amazed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blogging is interactive, WYSIWYG creation of webpages using the web client as the editor. The difference between a blog and a forum is that a blog holds the prime post of a thread in especially high value, and only allows a select group of the blog's users to create new threads, while a forum holds (almost) all posts as being equal. Basically, everything that the public considers a "web site" is either a Blog, a Forum, a Wiki, or a Corporate Advertisement. All the others are Web Applications.

    3. Re:I'm amazed... by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Blog is Web Log... a log is a recording of daily or at least linear events... a site which is dedicated to such activities and presented in such a linear/date ordered manner... as opposed to a corporate site or a review site or whatever that is topically sorted and non-linear.

      I'm sure people thought of other contractions but Blog was the one that stuck

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    4. Re:I'm amazed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blog = cool, hip, new, good, worthwhile

      Call something crappy a blog and it's cool, hip, new, good, and worthwhile.

    5. Re:I'm amazed... by m50d · · Score: 1

      The key word there is "updated". Something that is updated every week, and where this week's article only makes sense this week (as opposed to a website where someone adds to it, but the added page "should" have been there all along), is not a typical web page. The web was seen as something where you wrote the pages and put them there, and the only reason to add to it was if there were new facts or things you hadn't put in the first time. Like a book, not a magazine. Blog sites are different from that.

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    6. Re:I'm amazed... by BlueHands · · Score: 1

      Because:

      "content creation by individuals"

      takes a bit longer to say then then blog. And honestly, I think most people would define blog more narrowly then you did. Most would include a journal aspect of a blog.

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    7. Re:I'm amazed... by wasted+time · · Score: 1

      Amazing comments coming from someone who lists their smurf^W blog in their sig and under their UID.

      Blogging is like the word "smurf".

      Of *course* blogging is important if you label every fucking thing on the web "a blog".

      Why can't we get over all these stupid meta-blogging articles, and realise that it's just fucking "content creation by individuals" and it doesn't need a fucking name.

      You seem upset that a simple label has been applied to sites such as those linked above, yet you don't offer any better alternatives. Sorry, "content creation by individuals" is much too long to be useful in most situations. As silly as the term blog is to me, and as silly as I think the media is for "reporting" on blogging, I don't see any reason to get testy about it. It's like ranting about all tissues being referred to as Kleenex, or all MP3 players being called iPods, or even using google as a verb. Silly? Perhaps. But not likely to change now that it's in common use.

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      The Stone Age did not end because humans ran out of stones. - William McDonough
  27. *groan* by sigmaseven · · Score: 1

    market place for the Dave Winer's of this world, its just that their audience

    If less geek blogging means fewer misused apostrophes, I'm all for it.

    1. Re:*groan* by VoidWraith · · Score: 1

      Considering that less geek blogging probably doesn't diminish to the steady rise in teen blogging, I think there'll be even more of it, in terms of sheer number.

    2. Re:*groan* by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I'd say that less geek blogging would mean more OMFG!?, worse grammar and more soap opera garbage.

  28. Interesting Timing by drakethegreat · · Score: 1

    This comes at a time when I just removed my blog. I was planning to put it back up again but its still interesting that this study came out.

    I tend to agree with the idea that its not really geeks are blogging less but there are more nongeeks blogging. That is a logical thing that is happening.

    For instance 10 years ago only geeks knew what mp3s were and used them but now everyone knows the term and everyone can easily download them. This is just another example of an internet service/idea that has gone mainstream.

  29. Not so shocking by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

    Ok, so more people is discovering blogs nowadays. Since geeks are a minority, there is not shocking news that geek blogs are becomming less common.

  30. Early adopters (Firefox/Safari), followed by IE by otisg · · Score: 1

    This is very similar to what happens to popular tech/geek sites and their audience over time. At the beginning we have early adopters, and those tend to be technically savvy people and geeks. Web server log analysis shows high percentage of Firefox and Safari browsers. Time passes, and the site becomes known to less techy people. Web server log analysis starts showing a decline in Firefox users and increase in Internet Explorer users, despite Firefox slowly taking over and spreading among the typical Internet users. This must have happened with Google, and this is now happening to Simpy, an increasingly popular social bookmarking and personal web service.
    The same phenomenon happened in the world of blogs, where bloggers like Steve Rubel said they wakt up at 4-5AM in order to beat the other blogging crown and blog news first. Of course, that can't last very long. When people like that run out of steam, regular, more normal and numerous bloggers enter the stage.

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  31. Blogging is an insult by a_greer2005 · · Score: 1
    I have thought about tossing up a web site I have had many good ideas for content that still is hard to find in a clear consice way on the net, but I fear that any website made after 2004 that belongs to an individual will automaticly be labled a "blog"

    It is just like podcasting, anyone who has ever put an audio file on a web site before last fall was a looser/nerd/geek, but the minute Curry gave it a PR-firm-friendly name and a few lines of XML, what many of my pals had been doing (on a really small scale) with their self-produced music, random thoughts, and crazy sound fx since 1994 (FTP and Mosaic baby) is now..."hip"???

    The term blogger to me is offencive because most blogs are written by people who, quite frankly, have NOTHING to say, have no design skills, and think that they are 1337 because they can hit a few buttons on blogger.com.

    1. Re:Blogging is an insult by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I have thought about tossing up a web site I have had many good ideas for content that still is hard to find in a clear consice way on the net, but I fear that any website made after 2004 that belongs to an individual will automaticly be labled a "blog"

      The term blogger to me is offencive because most blogs are written by people who, quite frankly, have NOTHING to say, have no design skills, and think that they are 1337 because they can hit a few buttons on blogger.com.

      It sounds to me like you're the one insulting people who write on a website...

  32. o'sphere by michaelbuddy · · Score: 1

    Ok, not to make fun of any site, because mine is certainly more stupid than most, but a blog posting from a blogging newspaper that blogs about the buzz in the blogosphere is not really going to generate any emotion with me on the topic of the decline of geek blogs. Maybe the geeks got sick of their own rants and giving free advertising. Or, all of the once-cool, hip, blogsters have moved on to more interesting things... like Wiki's. Yes, geeks have produced enough hot air causing their own ascension out of the blogosphere and into the wikisphere.

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  33. Dave Winer, eh? by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 1

    "there is always going to be a market place for the Dave Winer's of this world"

    As far as I'm concerned, that's not contrary to good blogging being in decline, that's EVIDENCE of it.

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    The United States of America: We do what we must because we can.
  34. Nothing new, it's the way media works by ShatteredDream · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's actually quite interesting to watch the dynamic between many of the right wing media rising stars like Michelle Malkin and Ben Shapiro and the bloggers on the right. Shapiro for example has been writing whiny pieces about being called a chickenhawk because he is a 21 year old rich kid who advocates empire and yet would rather go to harvard law than into the army. Malkin got severely challenged by Vox Day to a debate over the accuracy of her military facts in her book on internment which she wrote a bunch of blog posts and articles for many news publications about. The one thing you see a lot of is that the people who get big in any type of media, and blogging is a type of media, are people who regurgitate news such as the "metabloggers" (Instapundit for example) and bloggers who pretty much whore themselves out to one of the popular groups like the Republicans.

    The bigger the personality, the less they like actually engaging the public. That's why I don't read Powerline, even though I am firmly on the right. IMO any blog that doesn't allow for comments or trackbacks, and isn't as big as Instapundit and a metablog (which would make comments/trackbacks VERY expensive to despam) is a blog I won't read. No matter how good it may seem, I won't read the blog unless it's really something you'd never get from the MSM like Michael Yon's coverage of the War in Iraq.

    Seriously people, go into a big book store like a B&N or a BAM and look at the political magazines. The biggest ones are the ones that more often reiterate talking points than ones that are cool and challenge people to think. Reason for example, arguably one of the best political publications in the USA, has a readership I think that doesn't even reach 60,000 nation-wide. Yet the National Review, a rag by comparison, probably has at least ten times that because of the support of the Republican faithful.

    Here's a cold, hard truth. Most people don't like their ideas being challenged. Clinton supporters always wanted to believe it was about sex and not purjury. Bush supporters can't fathom the possibility that Bush lied about Iraq and has absolutely no interest in defending our sovereignty. Most people like their nice little pre-conceived notions and have very limited real interests. It gets even worse when you get into technical areas like geek blogging because the market is inherently smaller.

    If you're going to do your own thing, be prepared to not have much support from the general public. That's all there is to it. It may not be that geek blogging is going into decline, it's probably just that geek blogging is being severely eclipsed by other parts of the blogging world which IS GREAT for online civil liberties. We want blogging to be part of most Americans lives because it gets them active online with free speech. The more people get used to using their rights, the more people will actually notice a loss when they're stripped of them. You can't miss something you never had or used.

    1. Re:Nothing new, it's the way media works by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And that's one of the problems(?!) with all this new technology. A zillion cable channels, blogs, and other info regurgitators...people can and do seek out viewpoints, opinions, and TV shows that match their opinion. And only theirs. Validation of their own thoughts, instead of critical analyzation of something else.

      Previously (in the US), we had the local newspaper, and the 3 networks. The individual was left to himself to figure things out. Now...we have an entire series of talking heads, spewing your viewpoint exactly, no matter where on the spectrum you lie. And because its "in the media", it must be true and valid.

    2. Re:Nothing new, it's the way media works by stonedonkey · · Score: 1

      Clinton supporters always wanted to believe it was about sex and not purjury.

      I don't recall the rule of law being brought up very often during that morass. What I recall was a barrage of moral positions. Clinton was a shameful idiot when it came to his personal life, but the right would have been much better off leveraging his acitivies to undermine his credibility. "Would you trust a man who's getting blowjobs from interns in the Oval Office" would have been a lot stronger than "He lied to us about getting blowjobs from interns in the Oval Office." Who cares if he lied or not? Because there's too many people who are familiar with that kind of thing -- the difference being that those other people are not the President of the United States and are not expected to hold themselves to his standards. Leverage the schism between the idealized statesman and the hornball smooth-talker, not the difference between truth and lies about blowjobs. Even Democrats want their national leaders to comport themselves respectably.

      But staying on topic... I think the real worry in the "blogosphere" is astroturf, not loss of mindshare. There's a global political arena right now that's like the Old West, minus that nasty bit about slaughtering the natives. Land is being claimed, and communities are being built. The earlier you arrive, the more difficult it is to topple you, and the more time you have to reinforce yourself against things like comment spam, slander, and the truth. Ten years from now, or less, we will have political institutions that only exist online. And they're building the digital foundations right now; building a social network, collecting a roster of talent, and establishing connections in Washington. What we're seeing right now is a rudiment, not a passing fad.

  35. Imagine how boring by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    the net would be if it stayed the domain of pure geeks and no one else?

    I often feel that these type of articles aren't about signal-to-noise ratio which it implies but about old-generation-vs-new-generation elitism.

    I experienced similiar constant bitching in anime where all the old dogs (80&90s - so not exactly the real old dogs) claimed to have more taste, more intelligence, and more knowlege than the new generation coming on the scene. I usually only noticed the only difference between the two was that the newer generation had a higher percentage of those who know Japanese.

    I feel this is of a similiar vein.

  36. and for yet another zero-content opinion... by Hosiah · · Score: 1
    I've tried keeping a "geek blog" going, but have temporarily dropped it, thinking to do it differently next time. Blogs which speak specifically to the geek audience are more difficult to maintain. At least, that was true for me, when I was under the mistaken impression that this meant posting a full, original article on geek topic Foo, or source code for a small program, or review of an OS/window manager/software tool, or game guide, or book report, or other high-level content. Then I discovered that your posts are supposed to be one sentence each, link included.

    Oh!

  37. Evolutionary Blogosphere by Sundroid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to have Scolbe's and Doc Searls's blogs in my Bookmarks, but I haven't had them for months, because after a while, I just got tired of hearing the same tunes and the same philosophies. New bloggers are coming out every day with refreshing and unique angles of their own, and if they're good, the fans of Scolbe and Doc Searls will discover them and switch their loyalty in a Bookmark second.

    This is nothing new. It happens to every medium. Like TV, for instance, at one point, people just got tired of "Seinfeld", or "Friends", so the shows got canceled, then the new Thursday-night lineups were announced, and life continued. It's called "evolution", and it's healthy.

    Also, I think the term "geek blogger" is a bit oxymoronic, because a blogger IS a geek. The notion that somebody out there with the looks of Angelina Jolie is blogging away merrily is... Well, keep fantasizing. I maintain a blog (at: http://sunandfun.blogspot.com/) for personal enjoyment, and I assume the thousands of people who sign up for new accounts every day are doing it with similar intent -- nothing unhealthy there.

    1. Re:Evolutionary Blogosphere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People just got tired of "Seinfeld", or "Friends", so the shows got canceled.

      Seinfeld wasn't cancelled, it went out on top. And Friends continued long after people got tired of it.

    2. Re:Evolutionary Blogosphere by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      The notion that somebody out there with the looks of Angelina Jolie is blogging away merrily is... Well, keep fantasizing.

      Oh, but I beg to differ...

      http://www.notadesperatehousewife.mu.nu/

      This is but one of many, and (be still, my heart!) they tend to be overwhelmingly conservative.

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    3. Re:Evolutionary Blogosphere by mikataur · · Score: 1
      Also, I think the term "geek blogger" is a bit oxymoronic, because a blogger IS a geek. The notion that somebody out there with the looks of Angelina Jolie is blogging away merrily is...

      What about Ponzi? (She is Chris Perillo's fiancé.) Ponzi is not really a geek and has distinctly Angelina-like attributes. That is, looks beautiful, has a sexy as hell voice, great personality, amply endowed in the torso area, and well, lucky Chris is all I can say!

      (I say not a geek because their podcast shows she can cook, use an iron and discuss feminism but not sort out her iPod. Not geek attributes!)

      I'm pretty sure there are a lot of beautiful people in the blogosphere who aren't necessarily geeks.

  38. Let me be the first to say... by ChronoWiz · · Score: 1

    Horray!

  39. Terrible news by VonSkippy · · Score: 1

    Boo Hoo - OK, now I'm over it.

  40. The Dave Winer's of the world? by onallama · · Score: 3, Funny
  41. Please make it stop by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Geek blogging is in decline. If you don't believe me, take a look at the Feedster 500 or Technorati 100 today and compare it to the Technorati Top 100 over the last few years. Take a look back in time to the top 10 in the Techorati Top 100 on November 26, 2002 and you'll see the generation of founding geek bloggers dominating the list: Doc Searls, Dave Winer...fast forward a year and things have started to change.

    So, for geek tools, geeks usually get there first. Since, umm, they are the ones to create the tools. So since 100% of the users are geeks, then the top 10 lists will be dominated by geeks. So when it spreads into the non geek world, where there are more non geeks than geeks, hence 'non geek world', some percentage of the users will be non geeks. Non geeks will be more interested in what non geeks have to say, so top 10 lists will no longer be doninated by geeks.

    In other words, when there are a bunch of apples, all of them are apples. When you throw in some oranges, they aren't all apples anymore. They are apples and oranges. I know its hard to follow, but trust me, its true.

    The ability to write != the ability to reason.

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    1. Re:Please make it stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The ability to write != the ability to reason.

      And thus why schools should resume teaching rhetoric and logic at a secondary, or even elementary level.

    2. Re:Please make it stop by sinewalker · · Score: 1

      No, don't explain it like that -- reportes will get confused, so, um, the next news headline reads -- "Number of apples in barrel is in decline"...

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      “Our opponent is an alien starship packed with nuclear bombs. We have a protractor.” — Neal Stepnenso
  42. If it means getting rid of Dave Whiner, it's good! by Mordant · · Score: 1

    It'd be worth it just to never see another post from such an arrogant, pompus ass.

  43. Can the geek bloggers be saved? by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    Hopefully not!

  44. Geeks are often on the cutting edge of technology by br00tus · · Score: 1
    When I was in my teens and early 20s I was interested in every new tech thing that came out. Nowadays I don't care, if it has any traction, I'll wind up looking at it eventually. For example, I have no interest in the RUBY or Python languages since I have no reason to look at them, and that they're new and cool doesn't cut it any more for me. I do know PHP though, which is relatively new, because it was designed for stuff like Apache/MySQL scripting, and I often find it simpler to do scripting for that stuff in PHP than in PERL.

    I have no desire to do a solitary tech blog either, and it would seem like a waste for me, but something like Advogato I do have a sort of blog on. The last time I wrote a lot there was when I switched my desktop from Windows to Linux. I also posted an entry asking for recommendations for web hosting that needed MySQL, PHP, PERL etc. and got some good replies. So that type of collaborative thing makes more sense to me, especially being I rarely post. But my stuff runs alongside people like Bram Cohen there, so people tend to read it.

  45. WHOOOOOOAAAAA!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GEEK BLOGGING ON THE DECLINE! NOOOOOOOOO11111 THIS STORY IS WAY TOO INTENSE FOR ME1111111111 TELL ZONK TO STOP!! PLEASE, MY HEART CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE111111111111
    </sarcasm>

  46. Darwinism in Action by yintercept · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Geek blogging in decline."

    Simple law of the survival of the fittest. Failure to breed leads to extinction.

    1. Re:Darwinism in Action by labnol · · Score: 1

      Well Said. As long as as blogging doesn't lead to money, it leads to extinction.

  47. "It's", and not "its" by udayb · · Score: 1

    All "its" used on this page till now (Sat Aug 27 21:56:49 EDT 2005) should have been "it's". -- s/its/it's/g

  48. I don't agree by gaanagaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think this is a decline. As the popularity and need for the Internet is growing so fast, more and more people(consumers) have access to this internet. 10-15 years back mostly geeks or IT pros had access to the internet. At that time even this site ("Slashdot.org - News for Nerds) was not so popular as we see today.

  49. O. M. G.! by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    Things change! WTF?!!! When did this start? Aaaaagh! It's the end of the world. Things are changing!

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    I drank what? -- Socrates
  50. Hooray. by sakusha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Idiots like Winer and Searls and the "inner circle" of blogging always act like people MUST listen to them. Perhaps the audience has finally learned they have nothing to say.

    It can only be a good thing when self-appointed Blog Emperors(tm) are discovered to be wearing no clothes.

    1. Re:Hooray. by ed__ · · Score: 1

      Hmm i dunno about this whole seeing naked Winer and Searls fetish thing you've got going.

      i'm gonna have to vote 'no' on this one.

    2. Re:Hooray. by sakusha · · Score: 1

      ha.. while I'm sure you are just joshing about the Emperor's New Clothes metaphor, you should be aware there is a naked Winer pic floating around, something Winer himself posted. I saw it via the old Winerlog:
      http://static.userland.com/images/llamas/naked.jpg
      And there's a symbol of the whole problem with geek bloggers like Winer. They think the whole world is so entranced with everything they do, they think people even want to see their ugly, fat, hairy, naked body. But most people (including me), having seen it, want to wash out their eyeballs with Drano.

  51. No kidding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Discussing (in a blog) about an article in a blog about "blogging is dead" is dead!

    1. Re:No kidding! by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Discussing (in a blog) about an article in a blog about "blogging is dead" is dead!

      I've never understood the claim that Slashdot is a blog. Being short for "web log", I know Slashdot is a web site, but where is the log part? I've always understood log as in diary or records of events done on a specific object. It really doesn't make sense to say that it's a log of all of nerd-dom (or nerd-dumb) because that's pretty vague rather than specific.

    2. Re:No kidding! by Malyven · · Score: 1

      The journal part of slashdot could be considered a blog no?
      Wait since I did one journal entry does that make me a blogger?

      oh shite.

    3. Re:No kidding! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never understood the claim that Slashdot is a blog. Being short for "web log"

      It is quite simply because weblogs, at their core, are just "articles" posted about one subject, with links to other areas of the web with more details on that particular subject, and a place for other people to comment on the article.

      Sound familiar now?

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    4. Re:No kidding! by drsquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not really.

      A 'blog' is someone's personal journal, which is on the Internet. These comments aren't a diary. Slashdot is just a normal forum, with the discussions attached to news stories.

      The only 'blog-like' thing on this site is the journal facility, which hardly anyone uses.

    5. Re:No kidding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So wikipedia is a blog? Articles, links, and each article has a comments page. -Member of the "Slashdot is a Forum" camp

    6. Re:No kidding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot used to be personal, run by some guy called "CmdrTaco". It has then grown to his circle of friends and become a professional operation (in the sense that the purveyours get their living from it). And the number of posters has increased so that what used to be a few comments per article is now hundreds of comments per article. At what point did it cross the line from blog to something else?

    7. Re:No kidding! by wheany · · Score: 1

      When the Slashdot effect became a problem.

    8. Re:No kidding! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      A 'blog' is someone's personal journal, which is on the Internet.

      Where on earth did you get this definition?

      blog is short for web log. That's it. It doesn't have to be a "personal journal."

      Slashdot is just a normal forum, with the discussions attached to news stories.

      Wrong. A "normal forum" is one in which you or I could start a new post and everyone can contribute to it. Slashdot is a blog in every sense. A small group of people control posts that appear on the front page in reverse chronological order, and which other people can comment on.

      Try searching for some definition of the word blog and see if you can still argue slashdot is not a blog.

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  52. It's not in decline - just changing as always by kallisti777 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So the gist of the article is that geeks adopt technology early, then abandon that technology once the masses start to use it and lower the signal to noise ratio. Reasonable enough. What I'd like to know is why isn't this article called "The Rise of Geek Podcasting"?

    Check out the iTunes Top 100: Leo Laporte and his TechTV pals have two or three shows each, PBS science programming is in the top ten, and a couple of sysadmins with no budget were ranked higher than Fox News yesterday. Every idiot and their dog might have a live journal, but can they produce Internet radio?

    This is Usenet all over again. Move along, nothing to see... we geeks know where to find each other.

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    1. Re:It's not in decline - just changing as always by wasted+time · · Score: 1

      Every idiot and their dog might have a live journal, but can they produce Internet radio?

      Short answer - yes and yes.

      As new apps are developed to make podcasting easier, the same thing will happen to podcasting. But you knew that already. I'll be moving along now...

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      The Stone Age did not end because humans ran out of stones. - William McDonough
  53. so what's the "next New Cool thing[tm]"? by m4c+north · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's not that geeks get bored and move on to the "next big thing" - it's just that "the next big thing" is usually built by geeks, so they are inevitably the initial core user group.

    Exactly. So, what have they built, and what are they building now? I think the next chic-geek bandwagon could be contributing to wikis or being part of an OSS development team...

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    1. Re:so what's the "next New Cool thing[tm]"? by m50d · · Score: 1

      I think those require too much intelligence to catch on. Blogging only requires a life, and not much of one at that.

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    2. Re:so what's the "next New Cool thing[tm]"? by loadquo · · Score: 1

      The next cool thing that will go mainstream is getting most of your media over the internet, I know geeks that don't watch TV, but watch loads of TV programs. Of course to go mainstream it will have to become legal.

  54. Slashdot On The Rise by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Slashdot's "sucks index" is higher now than it used to be.

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  55. Blogging is dead. Long live blogging. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    A million bully pulpits, and multimillion people that don't have time to read it all. Blogging has imploded. Geek bloggers are like other bloggers; some excellent but the signal to noise ratio favored noise. Now, let Darwin rule. Some will survive. Others are dead, rest their souls. Oh, they're not dead yet? Reach for the twit filter-- quickly!

    Diaries and journals are good. Blather is bad. A good geek knows the difference and we value that. Bad geeks blather, and the noise shelf overcomes the signal. A bien tot.

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  56. Can geek bloggers be saved? Who cares by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Please, let blogging die. Better, let geek blogging die sooner. Let "blogging" go back to the A/S/L and Aimgirl crowd, the personal Geocities and "here's me and my kids at some function" crowd.
    Geeks blogging just lends some credibility to the whole filthy practice.

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  57. Trends die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I'm glad this one is dead.

  58. Why we Blog by mr.warmth · · Score: 1

    I think the question of why people Blog is being begged by this story. I can think of about 4 broad reasons for doing so: 1: Therapy 2: Spreading Information 3: Ego Boos 4: Money The rise and fall of marketshare is presumably paramount to bloggers motivated by Ego (i.e. having a popular blog) and Money (higher click-through rates and volume). It is less important to those blogging for the first two reasons. In my case, blogging offers theraupetic qualities which are unaffected by volume. I get to "think out loud" anonymously whether it's read by thousands of people, or none. I know the information I offer is valuable - but to whom? Mainly to software developers in the corporate world, and to some extent to employees in general, and maybe some management types who want to know how others run their kingdom. These are the only demographic that I care about. It's completely irrelevant that these people may constitute a very small percentage of the general blog readership. I am sure that most bloggers blog for the same reasons I do, and not for plain ego or money. Therefore it does not really matter what percentage of the total marketshare we get.

  59. Netcraft Confirms it... by fredistheking · · Score: 1, Informative

    Slashdot is dying.

  60. Bye bye blogs by Urusai · · Score: 1

    I never knew ye. Seriously, I can't say I've ever read a blog except as a link from here. Maybe we can go back to plan files instead. Or maybe, just maybe, we can keep our stupid opinions to ourselves. But look where I'm posting...

    1. Re:Bye bye blogs by tsa · · Score: 1

      Good point. I think this whole blogging thing is way overhyped. Why would anyone be interested in your or my boring life? Of course it's handy when a blogger lives near a spot where something interesting happens, but all this talk about bloggers taking over the work of journalists was way over the top in my opinion. Being a journalist takes more than being able to write a readable text.

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    2. Re:Bye bye blogs by Paleomacus · · Score: 1
      There are some very rare blogs about fairly everyday events that are very entertaining to read. Having a good writer behind the blog can turn a day with the kids into a page and a half of coffee spewing goodness.

      For example:
      Sure, these aren't geek blogs but who wants to read about the time Larry goes to Layer Court? Sure, it's interesting but who wants to read glossy coverage of technical issues in a daily issue type format? That is pretty unsatisfying to me.
  61. And the reason why... by petrus4 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Blogging IMHO has probably never been a pastime of the genuinely intelligent. (And before I get flamed as a hypocrite, yes, I have a blog, but I haven't regularly updated it since March or so, and it was an effort back then)

    I probably only really got a Blogger account at all out of some vague, misguided desire to "stay current," but the main reason why I've virtually never used it is because I generally try and fill my time with far more productive things...like, say, working. ;)

    Blogging IMHO is probably the single most utterly useless convention to have appeared online so far. It seems to have primarily caught on in the US where, presumably because of the current fascist dictatorship which is euphemistically referred to as a democratic government, the population are enthusiastic about blogging as their only form of even partially genuine democratic expression. As for the rest of us, who live in countries where the system still actually works, (if only to a minor degree) we either engage in offline (read: effective) forms of activism, or devote our lives to far more constructive persuits.

    1. Re:And the reason why... by Dr.+Sp0ng · · Score: 1

      ...or devote our lives to far more constructive persuits

      Yeah, your sig shows the "more constructive persuits (sic)" that you've devoted your life to:

      Dedicated to giving unfunny /. "humour" the Troll/Overrated/Redundant mod points it deserves.

  62. "Geek Bloggers" versus "Consumer Bloggers" by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The author seems to be confusing two different styles of blog.

    The first is someone who writes (often on a standalone website) with the intention of being read by and being interesting to complete strangers. This corresponds to the first two generations.

    The second, what he calls "consumer bloggers". These may use a blog for various reasons, such as personal journalling, or communicating with friends, but it's rarely intended that what they write is targetted to people who don't know them. Similarly, such people are unlikely to read blogs other than those of their friends.

    Whilst there are crossovers, these are very distinct usages (so much so, that I always feel it's misleading to group them under the term "blogger" - "blog" is just a medium, and says nothing about the usage or intention of the writing).

    If the first has given way to the second, I guess it's because few people want to read things written by strangers, even if they are quite interesting, and the second usage of blogs is far more powerful. But I see no evidence that the first style of blogging is in decline, and even if it is, this may not be related to "consumer blogging" at all.

    I also feel the author has the timelines wrong for "consumer blogging" - LiveJournal for example has been around since 1999, which always made it easy to set up a blog (the author claims it was "a damn site harder to set up a blog than it is now" even in 2002!) and since about 2002, the vast majority of people I know have had blogs, and used them as "consumer blogs".

    The term "geek blogger" is a bit misleading too - most of the people I know with blogs could be considered "geeks", but they're using them in the style of consumer blogging, rather than the first style of blogging.

  63. Duh... by belswick · · Score: 1

    Real geeks never blogged in the first place.

    Real geeks never blogged in the second place.

    Blogs are for self-promoting wankers.

    How hard is this for people to figure out?

  64. .plan by elliotj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Parent makes a good point. There's nothing to see here. Move along.

    Sure we could all talk about the evolution of blogging, but framing the discussion in terms of a "decline" of geek blogging, and that blogging by technical people is something that must be "saved' is simply a ridiculous form of spin.

    Oh, I remember the good old days when a blog was a .plan file. I remember typing "finger johnc@idsoftware.com" to find out the latest dirt on Quake. It wasn't called blogging at the time. It was just the Internet. The Internet back then was pretty new to most people.

    Nowadays, blogging is more an online way of sharing stuff with your friends. The average blog is probably only read by a dozen people who know the blogger. It's a way of posting your digital photos and yakking about your life. A substitute for an email mailing list. Big deal.

    Much has been made of blogging. The Howard Dean phenomenon. The blogosphere. It's all pretty retarded. Lo and behold, people are posting their thoughts and opinions on web pages. How novel.

  65. use g33k tools instead by Phoe6 · · Score: 1

    Just because, everyone else is doing it in their mundane way should stop anyone from being what they are. use NanoBlogger(http://nanoblogger.sourceforge.net/ on your Unix System instead of blogger. That should do!

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  66. What is a geek? by extrasolar · · Score: 1

    The word has cropped up and everyone assumes they know what it means. But to me it seems that different people have assigned different meanings to the word yet aren't making their definitions explicit, so everyone is talking about the same thing. Does geek simply mean an affinity to computers? To some people it seems that just having a home page or spending more than twelve hours a week on the computer is enough to be considered a geek. To other people it simply means that you weren't popular in high school. To others, geek means being a fan of some sort of science fiction or other genre, whether on TV, in movies, or in books. So what means this geek?

    But in response, I really could care less about geek blogging. First of all, I haven't seen any blogs that are halfway interesting. Or even those blogs that do have an interesting intellectual argument every now and then are damned by repeated references to their cute cat or some guy at the supermarket. A blog is really something simple: it's a journal that you share to the public. But I have a better idea--how about instead a complog? The name almost sounds trendy enough to work. The idea is simple, keep a journal on your computer (or call it diary if you want) only *don't* share it with the public. Yes, we don't care, and we don't want to know. So, when is this trend going to take off? Anyone?

    1. Re:What is a geek? by wolverine1999 · · Score: 1

      To me it means you're an expert or have a lot of expertise in a subject such as computing. Or a sci-fi fan with a lot of knowledge on that subject.
      Of course there are geeks in other areas too e.g pharmacy geeks etc...

  67. And where are the hackers? by extrasolar · · Score: 1

    I know this is somewhat off topic, so I thought I'd reply to myself with this question. I know some hackers have their own blogs, but it seems to me that most of these self-identifying geeks have never written a line of code. Or maybe they consider HTML and CSS "code". The same thing has happened to slashdot, this website used to be prowling with coders and wannabe coders; now I think most of the hackers have left for the most part. Among the geeks I used to know, "trend" and "fashion" weren't things in our vocabulary, or if we refered to it we looked down upon it. Has this changed? Have the geeks themselves changed or do we have an influx of new people now calling themselves geeks? Has being a geek become trendy all of sudden?

    Anyway, maybe I'll submit a poll to slashdot to see if there are any hackers left on this site.

  68. What goes up by Ranger · · Score: 1

    Who gives a shit? Really? This has to be one of the most pointless posts on Slashdot I've seen. It's worse than a dupe. How long before this gets duped? What do they take us for? I'm glad I didn't even fucking read it.

    The geeks were destroyed when the dot-com bubble burst. Blogging, including geek blogging, is all about signal to noise ratios. As more people get into blogging, the noise level goes up. Since there is less signal, gee, there must be a decline. It's like saying Hollywood's profits are down because of piracy. No it couldn't be because most of their movies suck. No that couldn't be it. Oh, wait. They finally admitted to that. What a bunch of fucking dorks, er, geeks.

    Children being potty trained think that turds are suitable to be given as presents. It's because parents are so happy they aren't crapping in their pants anymore. When I first heard of blogs I thought it was just another name for turds.

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  69. Good riddence! by zeketp · · Score: 1

    I never was a fan of blogging. If these people have something important to say, I will hear about it without dredging through their garbage. At first blogging was OK, but once it became mainstream (the moment the word blogging was coined), the field became flooded with worthless junk from idiots that aren't listened to in the real world. In short, your opinions are unimportant unless A. they support my opinions or B. you have some sort of authority that enables you to spread your opinions (in which case you should keep them to yourself).

    Feel free to comment, but either way keep in mind that, unlike some people, I have better things to do than look and see what complete strangers think about my ideas.

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  70. Geeks will be overcome by porn :( by unclocked · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Geeks, unfortunately, will be overcome by average folks who will be overcome by spammers who will be overcome by porn. It's what we can evolution. Don't we?

  71. I'm geek blogging... by cciRRus · · Score: 1

    Any geek bloggers around? Please drop me a comment at my blog. Thanks! :)

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  72. Geek Blogging is dead by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    Netcraft confirms it.

    Mods: -1: old and painfully overused joke

  73. All the true geeks have moved on to the true blogs by lord+sibn · · Score: 3, Funny

    By which I obviously refer to the one true geek blog (found all over the net):

    Bugzilla.

  74. Poor Clinton... by FatSean · · Score: 1

    Poor bastard made a bad call and covered up his adultry. But you know, I can forgive him that perjury...why? It had nothing to do with his ability as a president. He just didn't want his wife to break his balls.

    Now, when a president lies and orders his underlings to mis-represent facts to support that lie...and doesn't get an impeachment trial...that's when I get worried.

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  75. Re:Good riddance! by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

    The same here. I very rarely found anything informative or fun in "blogs" -- not to mention that they polluted search engines with self-centered banalities.

    Instead of "blogs" lets get back to focused web sites, to content.

  76. Re:Judging by the amount of responses to this arti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warning: Grammar Nazi mode

    "Judging by the amount of responses to this article"

    Choose one: amount of response | number of responses.

  77. Nothing new under the sun by Dobeln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has been a recurring phenomenon from the dawn of geekdom. As (if) a technology gains mainstream acceptance, the ur-core of geeks in the field get crowded out, and sometimes marginalized.

    An example: At the dawn of computer gaming, the ultra-geeky wargaming hobby was "big thing" to do on computers. As the Madden-ization of the gaming progressed, wargaming was pushed to the fringes, catered to by mailorder-only outfits such as Matrixgames (www.matrixgames.com) or Battlefront (www.battlefront.com).

  78. So in a tech area, the geek uptake maxes out by hattig · · Score: 1

    earlier than the generic uptake.

    It isn't in decline, it is in decline relative to the total amount of blogs. Also, as the geek blogs are older, there is more chance that they will reach their end of life before the newer blogs. Thirdly a large number of them are now doing podcasts instead of blogs, or using the blogs to merely announce their geeky podcast. Some of which are alright, like the daily sourcecode.

    So what is the issue?

  79. Uh, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but you forgot to make up a ridiculous and unnecessary new term for "geek blogging." This is how things are done in the blogosphere. Glogging perhaps?

  80. Re:If it means getting rid of Dave Whiner, it's go by nordicfrost · · Score: 1
    From (What i gather is his blog) Dave Winer: "Haven't gotten iChat to work with Google Talk yet (tried, but got confused)."

    Holy hell! How can you get confused about something like that? OK, he's new to Macs but sheesh! My mother did it herself, from webbased instructions, and she's no computer geek just a computer user.

  81. blogs are evil by c-reus · · Score: 1

    I find it very scary that everyone with internet connection can read what I think. I mean, if they want to read my mind, let them come with the newly-invented mind-reading gadget -- at least I can counter it with tin foil.

    Based on what I write in a blog, they'd find out how my mind works, what I spend most of my time on etc. That is why I keep my blog on my hard drive safely away from the internet. Those that can access it are either trustworthy or leet haxx0rs. ...yeah I'm paranoid.

  82. Numbers Game by n3bulous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you compare the two technorati links, the first thing you see is that the numbers of blog links is higher. In 2-3 years, that's to be expected.

    The author also states we are in a more consumer blog error. Well duh, compare this to websites back in 1993/94 and again in 1996/97 after the consumer market got wind of it. In 1993, all of the websites were geek-ish, the early adopters. By 1997, businesses were everywhere and producing brochure sites for non-geeks.

    Hence, the percentage of geek stuff is down. We're a small percentage of the population so in the end we'll be a small percentage of the blog world. What surprises me is that geek blogs are not further down the list. Face it, you'll have to come up with something new to regain your l33t ego boost.

    What really scares me is:

    a) This guy wrote that many words and missed the point.
    b) People actually read it before /. got wind of it and commented on the author's good reasoning.

    PS. I just read the article's comments and Seth Finkelstein also noticed the author miss-analyzed the technorati rankings.

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  83. blogs are just old fashioned vanity sites by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    with a trendy name. It's like podcasting: the newest phenom that we've been doing for the last decade.

  84. its really no different than.. by Hohlraum · · Score: 1

    when we all created our first personal websites 10+ years ago cuz it was new and interesting. I blog now just for the search engines. If I wanna bitch about something or praise it to hopefully save someone using google some research time. These people that blog every event in their lives will get bored with it sooner or later.

  85. Dawson's Creek ended? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NoOoOoOOoooOOOoOoOOoOo (in Shatner's Kahn yell)

    Say it ain't so!!!!!

  86. Uggh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's because they use words like "whilst".

  87. No, we don't by LPetrazickis · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia isn't a blog even though it doesn't stay static. Yes, one could write a scraper feed for its front page. Yes, there's an RSS feed with diffs for recent edits.

    However, unlike Slashdot, Wikipedia does not timestamp it's articles and send them out into the world. Therefore, Wikipedia is not a blog. Answers.com is not a blog. Slashdot does.

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