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Beowulf Pioneer Lured From Cal Tech to LSU

An anonymous reader writes "Thomas Sterling, a pioneer of clustered computing, including /.'s beloved Beowulf cluster, has has accepted a fully-tenured professorship at Louisiana State University's Center for Computation and Technology, ditching his old post at Cal Tech. From TFA: "At LSU, he hopes to develop the next generation of high-performance computers that will give birth to true artificial intelligence. By making computer chips more efficient, Sterling believes he can change computing by "one to three orders of magnitude" that will transform how humans interact with technology.""

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  1. Waterpower by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think for now he'd better focus on developing sea-water powered computers :)

    1. Re:Waterpower by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Funny

      No way, it's ALL waterfront :)

    2. Re:Waterpower by umrgregg · · Score: 1

      Looks like I missed my chance to post the obvious joke of the morning. ;) Cest le /.

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    3. Re:Waterpower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      correction: underwaterfront

    4. Re:Waterpower by thewiz · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd love to see how much power he could get our of a Beowulf cluster of hurricanes!

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    5. Re:Waterpower by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      There you go....

      I was about to say wind-powered supercomputers.

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of Cat-5 hurricanes.

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    6. Re:Waterpower by FLEB · · Score: 1

      If you're going to do that, you might as well upgrade to Gigabit hurricanes.

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    7. Re:Waterpower by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      What is the windspeed of a Cat-5e hurricane?

      What about a Cat-6 hurricane?

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    8. Re:Waterpower by FLEB · · Score: 1

      A laden or unladen Cat-5e hurricane?

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    9. Re:Waterpower by unitron · · Score: 1
      " Actually Baton Rouge is about an hour northwest of New Orleans... Not in any danger of storm surge there."

      Yeah, but it's the state capital so it's flooded with another kind of toxic sludge, politicians. :-)

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  2. Whoa. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Funny

    Image a beo.... oh fuck it. Nevermind.

    1. Re:Whoa. by dcphoenix · · Score: 1

      Now if only everyone who was about to tell an old joke on Slashdot would just say that!

    2. Re:Whoa. by nherm · · Score: 1

      Image a beo.... oh fuck it. Nevermind.

      Yeah, after all, netcraft confirms it: beowulf cluster jokes are dying.

    3. Re:Whoa. by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I can't believe it took somebody a whole two minutes to make such an obvious joke!

    4. Re:Whoa. by Radres · · Score: 1

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of beowulf clusters!

  3. LSU's Center for Computation and Technology... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...was last seen moving northeast towards Mississippi at a brisk pace. Sterling should adjust his trip accordingly.

    1. Re:LSU's Center for Computation and Technology... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Not to detract from your joke (it deserves the 5, Funny rating), but to clarify...

      First, hurricanes don't cause that much flooding. Most of the building damage results from the 50-100 mph winds. You might see a couple of feet of water in the lower-lying areas of New Orleans (below sea level).

      Second, LSU is in Baton Rouge, about an hour's drive from NO. BR is pretty much okay, except for the winds. I'm in Lafayette, another hour away, and you couldn't even tell there was a hurricane (except that the clouds are going kinda fast). Both BR and Lafayette are 40 feet above sea level.

      (Offtopic, I know, but no more than the parent.)

  4. In Other News... by Comatose51 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A nerd improves his chances of getting laid...

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    1. Re:In Other News... by tgd · · Score: 1

      Only if he gets his sister or cousin to move with him.

    2. Re:In Other News... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      The AC is making fun of Jimmy "I have sinned! Boo-hoo!" Swaggart. Perhaps it's a little before your time :-).

    3. Re:In Other News... by rdwald · · Score: 1

      I think someone's taking Real Genius a little bit too literally (yes, I am an undergrad at Caltech).

    4. Re:In Other News... by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

      "Name me any community on earth (save for closed off cults) that has not had some sort of sexual 'scandal'."

      The Playboy Mansion; When sex is open, there is no scandel.

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    5. Re:In Other News... by unitron · · Score: 1
      " The AC is making fun of Jimmy "I have sinned! Boo-hoo!" Swaggart. Perhaps it's a little before your time :-)."

      Perhaps the AC is sufficiently well read to be referring to Governor Earl Long and the stripper Blaze Starr.

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  5. Forget any tech achievements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Forget any tech achievements this guy has. If he's the Beowulf pioneer, that means he has to be something like a thousand years old. I want to know what sort of anti-aging techniques this guy uses.

  6. Ummm by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't this the wrong week to be moving to Louisiana?

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    1. Re:Ummm by tgd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Real estate is probably going to be cheap.

    2. Re:Ummm by hrieke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least he'll be able to get water cooling done on the cheep.

      On a serious side, my father teaches at Lafayette U. (PetroChemcial Engineering), and near one of his offices the school is building a state of the art VR system. Very much cutting edge, high tech, and down right cool.

      So, while LA has the illusion of being backwater, they do some fairly high tech stuff there. After all, isn't that where id got their start?

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    3. Re:Ummm by metaomni · · Score: 5, Funny

      The illusion of being backwater is now trumped by the reality of being underwater.

    4. Re:Ummm by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      > After all, isn't that where id got their start?
      Funny.
      My question is: why do God and UFOs both seem to favor Louisiana?

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    5. Re:Ummm by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

      What you're talking about it the LITE center (formerly known as the ATIC Center). I'm a graduate assistant at ULL, so I get to play with it when it opens next year... :)

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    6. Re:Ummm by Gibsnag · · Score: 1

      Its funny...

      But I feel bad for laughing at it.

    7. Re:Ummm by ifwm · · Score: 1

      Right, like here in Florida where housing costs have dropped..

      What's that? Huge price increases? What kind of free market economy is this?

    8. Re:Ummm by Namlak · · Score: 1

      Real estate is probably going to be cheap.

      Real estate will probably be hard to locate!

    9. Re:Ummm by SunPin · · Score: 1

      Here's how disaster works:

      Everyone in the disaster thinks "my property value is shot."

      Everyone outside the disaster thinks "his property value is shot."

      Because people outside the disaster outnumber everyone inside the disaster, property value goes UP because of HIGH DEMAND.

      I wouldn't bother with "no effect" after going through 4 Hurricanes in five weeks last year. My property is doing quite well for such a beating. The only thing I despise about rising value is taxes. That's another story.

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    10. Re:Ummm by Chemisor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you won't be able to afford insurance for it.

    11. Re:Ummm by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Real estate is probably going to be cheap.
      Why? I wouldn't mind having the federal government pay to rennovate my luxury home on the beach every few years.

      (OK, that was really aimed at Florida more than Louisiana).

    12. Re:Ummm by tgd · · Score: 1

      Well it was meant as a joke. I'm not the one who moderated it +5 Insightful.

      Its a sad state of affairs on /. when an obvious attempt at black humor gets modded as insightful instead of funny.

  7. From death and destruction by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

    ... comes production and life.

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  8. interface? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny

    FTA: [Sterling]:"We'll finally stop interfacing with a computer with a keypad," he said. "It's a truly science fiction dream of talking to computers and computers talking back to you."

    Great, like I need my computer talking back to me -- I'll be getting enough sass from my teenage daughters by then.

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    1. Re:interface? by m50d · · Score: 1

      Slashdotter...daughters...does not compute

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    2. Re:interface? by VoidWraith · · Score: 2, Funny

      sass

      Thank God I just missed the S the first time I read that.

    3. Re:interface? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

      Voice interface to computers will never catch on. Just listen to yourself and your cow-orkers:
      Shit!!
      No! Wait!
      Goddamnit!
      Fuck!!
      Aaaaaah!!!
      Oooooh Nooooooo!!
      You pieca shit!!
      Hey! It looks like you're writing a leter!
      Fuck off!!
      Hey! It looks like you're writing a leter!
      Fuck off!!
      Hey! It looks like..
      BLAM!! BLAM!! BLAM!!

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    4. Re:interface? by wed128 · · Score: 2, Funny

      no I'm gonna get the ass from his teenage daughters...

    5. Re:interface? by hurfy · · Score: 1

      Kinda like how the last couple orders of magnitude changed the way we interface...well except for the same mouse,keyboard and monitor. Maybe he is gonna make the pins on the mouse in a square instead of a row or a circle :)

      and Voice doesn't work much better on my 3000 MHz machine than it did on my 100 MHz box (which came with voice activation as the next great freature, hehe), not gonna hold my breath here.

    6. Re:interface? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Nobody said Slashdotters couldn't be optimistic!

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  9. Apt by mfh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At LSU, he hopes to develop the next generation of high-performance computers that will give birth to true artificial intelligence.

    2theadvocate was down when I tried to read their story, so mirrors please?

    I'll comment briefly (WRTFA):

    I am sick of the term next generation: it irks me. I think if you're talking about devoting the next twenty years towards developing true AI, then the focus has to be about the direction that could be taken, the nuts and bolts of it all, and what the setbacks could be. High performance computers are like high performance people, in many ways, or at least they should be. Incentives must exist for a metrological system to present itself into the true nature of self and this measure supercedes the facility of overexaggeration, to the point where no truly defined system can surpass the narrow view of purpose devoted by the creator, without being heralded as a foolish endeavour. The heavy processing of high performance computing works against the nature of AI.

    True AI means that mistakes will be made by the creator and the subject, and emotions will exist in the subject to counter-attack development stumbling blocks, and assist in development, or improve development of wisdom and ultimate self-awareness comes only from experiences of contrast, pain and pleasure (for example). These precepts have never come into cause with a system yet, because each system is built as an object and not a person; each system is built for a financial purpose and not a scientific purpose.

    Science and finance are enemies, strange bedfellows that hate eachother but rely on eachother, in a bad marriage, with nothing to lose and at times everything to lose. How can balance come to this nature, to enable true AI to come forward out of the ashes?

    How is it possible at all? I don't see it. I see just another generation of the same thing, so perhaps the term next generation is apt?

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    1. Re:Apt by Otter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Article text -- the last thing a Louisiana news site needs right now is a Slashdotting!

      When higher education officials lobbied for the "LONI" fiber-optic computer network, they called it the ultimate economic development tool that would attract top researchers and federal dollars to the state.

      Last September, Gov. Kathleen Blanco committed $40 million over 10 years to build and maintain LONI, which will link eight university campuses to a national network of supercomputers, called the National LambdaRail.

      LONI, which stands for Louisiana Optical Network Initiative, has landed a major trophy to the state.

      Dr. Thomas Sterling, who helped revolutionize the modern supercomputer, has accepted a position at LSU's Center for Computation and Technology.

      At LSU, he hopes to develop the next generation of high-performance computers that will give birth to true Artificial Intelligence.

      By making computer chips more efficient, Sterling believes he can change computing by "one to three orders of magnitude" that will transform how humans interact with technology.

      "We'll finally stop interfacing with a computer with a keypad," he said. "It's a truly science fiction dream of talking to computers and computers talking back to you."

      A senior scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology, Sterling holds six patents and co-created the modern "Beowulf" supercomputer, which combines multiple off-the-shelf CPUs into one operation.

      LSU offered him full professorship and tenure. He starts Aug. 22, he said.

      "We lured him away from Cal Tech. It was a real coup," said Dr. Kevin Carman, dean of the College of Basic Sciences at LSU

      Sterling, who holds a Ph.D. from MIT, said LSU offered the most exciting program and package, especially with LONI going live this fall.

      "I would not have come to CCT if not for LONI -- I can't be starved for bits," he said. "Louisiana has positioned itself to being absolutely top-tier when it comes to Internet access for data movement."

      Carman also pointed to CCT director Ed Seidel, who has organized the center to collaborate with other departments that use high-performance computing.

      Seidel joined LSU in 2003, moving from the Albert Einstein Institute in Germany.

      "Ed Seidel is internationally known in his own right. That's what initially attracted (Sterling). If it hadn't been for that, we would not be on the radar," Carman said. "He told me he never imagined moving to Louisiana."

      The appointment of former NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe as LSU chancellor helped as well. "It put LSU on the map to many of us in the high-tech industry," Sterling said.

      O'Keefe has close ties to Washington, D.C., and "understands money, politics and running a very large organization driven by technology and science," Sterling said.

      Sterling will bring his research to LSU which involves developing a computer processor called "MIND," which stands for Memory, Intelligence and Network Device.

      The MIND architecture uses a new multi-core chip that stacks several processors on a single chip -- similar to those in the upcoming Sony PlayStation 3 game device -- but with greater efficiency, Sterling said.

      "Play Station 3 is putting lots more of these functional units on chips, but it's not clear we know how to make them work more effectively together," he said.

      Processors generally dedicate a single functioning body that's surrounded by "clever tricks" and mechanisms that keep it working, he said.

      "There are many sources of inefficiencies ... in the way we put technology on a chip, the way we organize the technology, the way we make the chips work with each other," he said. "We're using the same model we used 50 or 60 years ago developed in the vacuum tube era."

      Sterling said the work -- along with other CCT initiatives -- could "catalyze a new industry and bring new talent to Louisiana."

      He envisions building his prototype in

    2. Re:Apt by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Science and finance are enemies, strange bedfellows that hate eachother but rely on eachother, in a bad marriage, with nothing to lose and at times everything to lose.

      Since when are science and finance enemies?

      They are not strange bedfellows, but allies who use each other to get what they want -- just like any other allies.

      You make an interesting point about how computers are not getting closer to being true AI, but I have to disagree with you.

      Already, we know that the amount of operations needed to even come close to simulating the human mind is beyond the reach of current technology. Until we can get processor speeds up high enough to perform the necessary amount of calculations per second, we cannot even begin to shift the approach away from processing speeds and binary logic. This shift of approach seems to be what you are saying is necessary for true AI.

      And, I believe that finance will eventually drive technology to simulate AI that approaches consciousness -- because there will be a financial incentive to do so.

      How can balance come to this nature, to enable true AI to come forward out of the ashes?

      Balance doesn't really apply here, science and finance are not really opposing each other. If anything, finance supports science -- by allowing excess resources to be turned into knowledge.

      Finance is what allowed Newton, Einstein, Copernicus, and almost any other great scientist to make their discoveries. This couldn't have happened if they were busy planting the crops to survive on.

      And as for AI coming out of the ashes, why do we need an apocalypse to see AI develop?

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    3. Re:Apt by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      You have a point...in a way. But could you rewrite your statement without superfluous language (i.e. "supercedes the facility of overexaggeration") or vague expressions (i.e. "improve development of wisdom")?
      I consider that trying to sound intelligent via unclear prose is the first indicator that you might not be. Read this.

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    4. Re:Apt by r2q2 · · Score: 1

      Possibly he means that a True AI needs massive parallelism across the internet. This would transform how we interact with computers and how a Ai system could be built. Mistakes could be multiplexed through the internet and a idealized AI system could be hacked away one problem at a time.

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    5. Re:Apt by FLEB · · Score: 1

      OTOH, robust networks and a "shrinking world" might mean that some of the needs for artificial intelligence, especially in commercial relations, can be better filled by just getting willing "actual intelligents" to do the work. The perv-harvesting to defeat Captchas is one good example of this.

      Of course, AI will still have its place where it's coupled with speedy and accurate computation, but things like highly advanced intelligent agents and the like might end up by the wayside.

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  10. Well, God knows... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    ...the land is going to be cheap, seeing as it's all swamp now.

    1. Re:Well, God knows... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      seeing as it's all swamp now

      That is no change from the past.

    2. Re:Well, God knows... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      These days, we call that "wetlands". It's much more fuzzy and cuddly than "swamp". People don't give money unless they're convinced that they're protecting fuzzy and cuddly things.

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    3. Re:Well, God knows... by Coocha · · Score: 1

      A swamp is a specific type of wetland. And they're useful beyond the fuzzy-cuddly factor (seriously, couldn't that also be called 'habitat'?). I know you're just trying to be sarcastic, but if New Orleans hadn't drained their wetlands for expansion and creation of their useless-in-this-scenario levees, they would act as an effective natural buffer for the storm surge that's tearing up the city right now. Belittle it all you want, but wetlands offer many functions and values that benefit urban areas (see also: chemical and sediment 'sinks', floodwater storage, biomass production, accumulation & creation of peat).

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    4. Re:Well, God knows... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then they could get flooded by the Mississippi each and every year. I mean, to heck with making the most important river in America navigable. Why not just let it change course constantly, block grain shipments from the Midwest, and let all those lazy foreigners starve because they don't have access to surplus American food supplies.

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  11. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of AI robots by saskboy · · Score: 1

    "give birth to true artificial intelligence."

    Oh wait, all sorts of people have imagined that future, and it isn't pretty, in any of them but Star Trek with Data.

    Think of "I Robot" for a recent movie example of an Artificial Intelligence operating in a massive collective. Oh wait, scratch Star Trek too, there's the Borg!

    It seems our only hope is to not imagine, or create a cluster of AI robots or life forms.

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    1. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of AI robots by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1
      Think of "I Robot" for a recent movie example of an Artificial Intelligence

      I think most of us would rather not. That 120 Hz hum you hear is not the power transformer. It is Isaac Asimov spinning in his grave.

    2. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of AI robots by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
      Heh. Too true.

      But the "Three Laws of Robotics" is a completely flawed concept - kinda like a whale with a built-in anchor - it would be the first thing (biological feature) to go.

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  12. Great job by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    At LSU, he hopes to develop the next generation of high-performance computers that will give birth to true artificial intelligence.

    In short, he has been given a job for life to do research almost nobody expects anything from anymore.

    Wake me up when one of his high-performance computers pass the Turing test, if I didn't die of old age before...

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    1. Re:Great job by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 2, Informative

      In short, he has been given a job for life to do research almost nobody expects anything from anymore.

      Really, that sums up the LSU computer science department. It's just a show pony to say "Look how cool we are!" because they're in the same city as the Legislature... Nevermind their supercomputer (SuperMike) hasn't even been successfully turned on yet. Nevermind the ULL Computer Science department is significantly older and respected the world over... Let's give the money and the press to LSU... :P

      Not that I'm bitter or anything...

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    2. Re:Great job by wintermind · · Score: 1

      As a multiple-times graduate of LSU I have to agree wholeheartedly. When I worked at the Southern Regional Climate Center I worked with a faculty member in Geography and Anthropology who wanted to use SuperMike to do some global-scale climate simulation. We got an incredible run-around from OCS, the upshot of which was that we could make do with the RS6000 cluster, thank you very much. I don't know if that was because the cluster didn't work correctly or if our work wasn't sexy enough. My limited experience, YMMV.

    3. Re:Great job by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 1

      I realize this isn't a discussion about tenureship itself, but.. it's funny you mention mortality and tenureship in the same post (OK, I'm reaching..) I sometimes think of tenureship as less than ideal. At first the security of a tenured position may seem appetizing. However, I'm not sure I want to be in a position where termination is ... well.. *terminal.* Why does he have to be tenured at LSU to develop computer tech? West coast seems better suited anyway..

  13. Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by Lellor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can throw as much hardware as you want at the "problem" of AI, but in my opinion, that isn't the easiest route to achieving a breakthrough in AI - it would be like throwing hardware at a dog's brain - the dog would still think like a dog, only 1000 times faster. Sure, you might see improvement in "mechanical reasoning", and chess playing programs and the like, where most of the neccessary conclusions can be reached mechanically (mathematically), but that's about as far as it will go, I think. You won't get the dog to reach non-doggy (for example, human) conclusions by doing that.

    The real key to AI lies in software, and superior algorithms. So far in AI, most of the progress has been on the mechanical side - expert systems using algorithms to match and discard possibilities until it finds the "correct" option. This is a good way of doing things for applications that expert systems are currently being utilized for, but to progress to the realm of true (self-aware) AI, scientists need to find out how it works in biological structures first. Once that has been established, computer scientists can try converting those (theoretical) signals into instructions, and plug those into new-generation algorithms.

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    1. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by delibes · · Score: 1

      Butthead: Huh-uh-huh... he said doggy.

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    2. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The real key to AI lies in software, and superior algorithms.

      Personally I think it'll require a huge paradigm shift in the way all digital computing is currently performed. Trying to force AI into a system run by a digital processor, whether it's an x86 or some other current-day architecture, results in pretty significant limitations. True intelligence isn't binary - there are an infinite number of shades of grey that come with it.

      I don't think we'll see real AI until the next major advancement in computing hits, but I don't think anybody currently knows precisely what that'll be. It'll be something on the order of the transition from analog vacuum tubes to digital microprocessors.

    3. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMO, incredible amounts of computing power is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for solving the AI "problem".

      The real question is how much will be needed - how far down do we have to dig when simulating a biological intelligence? Will stopping at the algorithmic or procedural level suffice? Do we have to simulate neurons, and if we do, do we only need to simulate frequency-domain behavior, or do we have to go with a full-blown Hodgkin-Huxley-esque model of neuronal activity?

      Or, perish the thought, is even that not sufficient, and do we have to start simulating intracellular or even molecular activity?

    4. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by osgeek · · Score: 1

      You have to simulate the soul.

    5. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      So far in AI, most of the progress has been on the mechanical side - expert systems using algorithms to match and discard possibilities until it finds the "correct" option.

      That is what most humans do when given choices they have little or no past experience on. Trial and error until they give up, choose a fatal choice, or pick one with a desired or acceptable choice.

      When given enough information from other or if they have past experiences with a choice then that is what they have the hard time making AIs to replicate.

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    6. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by Dr.+Hugh+Everett+III · · Score: 1


      Here's a novel approach.

    7. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by HiThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, you could use long ints rather than bits to hold your information...

      When you say "there are an infinite number of ..." I always wonder whether you've counted them. I'm rather sure you really just meant "a rather large number" which is why I responded with the comment about long ints, but on the chance that you meant what you said literally, permit me to disagree. I see no evidence for an actual infinity anywhere in human thought. A computational infinity, perhaps, but that's handled with a lazy algorithm. (You only generate the number of things that you actually look at. You just have a generator rule.)

      The g.p.'s argument about the need for better algorithms is probably right on, but better hardware may also be needed. OTOH, we currently have computers with more computational capability than a frog, but they don't seem as intelligent. This is probably because the actual AI programs run on shoestring budgets, and can't afford the massive hardware that's dedicated to such things as protein folding. (Also because intelligence requires time to be taught. It doesn't spring into full bloom de novo.)

      Beowulf clusters were a way to build budget supercomputers, and that would mean that more powerful computers could be dedicated to more speculative projects...like AI. This doesn't sound to me like a wild goose chase, but success may be more indirect than the article is implying.

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    8. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Should I read that as a vote for being able to stop at the algorithm level?

      If you want that to be taken seriously rather than as a joke, then you need an operational definition of the term "soul". How can an observer know whether or not such an item is present? How could you prove to me that you had one?

      In some sense this is a legitimate suggestion, for some definitions of the term "soul". For other definitions, no such feature is either necessary or desireable for a manufactured intelligence. For others it's desireable but not feasible.

      To my mind (and picking a useful definition), soul is usually equated with a sense of self-ness, and I can see no reason why a sufficiently intelligent AI wouldn't automatically develop such a feature. It would the be representation of the AI itself within it's own model of the world it was living in.

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    9. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      it would be like throwing hardware at a dog's brain - the dog would still think like a dog, only 1000 times faster.

      I think if you start throwing hardware at a dog's brain, pretty soon you will have a pile of gray mush which is incapable of thinking at all anymore...

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    10. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      I dont think todays method of computing is the future of AI. I remember watching a program on PBS about AI and the key to it was analog computing. It seems that unless we radically change they way an AI processor works and possibly the programming method we will not easily reach the AI goal.

    11. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by osgeek · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm an atheist... it was a joke. :)

      Gotcha!

    12. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the definition I chose should work perfectly well for an atheist. And given a suitable definition, it's a perfectly reasonable question.

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    13. Re:Will throwing hardware at AI suffice? by osgeek · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but I was just joking. Please defer all intelligent questions until after the laughter subsides or until after New Orleans is drained of floodwater... whichever happens second.

  14. PIM by convolvatron · · Score: 4, Informative

    i know its hopeless..but,

    his work these days centers around efficiencies of access gained by putting the dram and processing elements on the same die. partially removing the serialization associated with the standard synchronous memory interface. The architecture also plans on using MTA-style threads to hide latency and increase concurrency.

    citeseer

    1. Re:PIM by jd · · Score: 1

      Processor-In-Memory is a fairly old technique. I remember covering it at University, as a student. I've also never seen it used anywhere - at least, not meaningfully. If someone is actually working on the problem, all I can say is it's about time!

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    2. Re:PIM by convolvatron · · Score: 1

      yeah, they're still working on it. i dont know alot of the earlier work, so i dont know how much of this is novel.

      they are really fixated on the physical aspects of the memory arrays and building an effective cpu architecture around the context of dram rows (i.e., a thread context is a row, including registers, etc)

      so its a little more than just the pin count and interface electronics argument.

    3. Re:PIM by convolvatron · · Score: 1

      oh yeah, i forgot to mention (i had to look to see if it had already been published)...the other cool part is the global architecture. that is there is a large switching fabric connecting all the pims together. aside from the normal reads and writes, it also supports parcels, which is actually a whole migratory thread state. it just gets put in the run queue at the target.

      so if there is any spacial locality to be exploited, you can move the thread rather than the data. because this is MTA style you would expect the overall throughput gains to be modest, but you have just reduced your dependency on network throughput correspondingly.

    4. Re:PIM by jd · · Score: 1

      That's great! The idea has been around for a while, and I even borrowed many aspects of PIM when I was developing my theoretical FLOOP processor, but this sounds like someone has actually moved beyond the abstract and actually built the damn thing.

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  15. If we could only clone him .... by TechnoGrl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine what we could do with a cluster of these guys!

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  16. Geaux Tigers!!! by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    Geaux Tigers!!!

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    1. Re:Geaux Tigers!!! by antifret · · Score: 1

      I hope he doesn't just quit in three years to go work for the Miami Dolphins...

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    2. Re:Geaux Tigers!!! by ZingoZango · · Score: 1

      Wo0t Geaux Tigers! Maybe he can figure out why we always have a crappy kicking team......

    3. Re:Geaux Tigers!!! by wintermind · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate America^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLSU?

  17. This is a good thing? by DamienMcKenna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    he hopes to develop the next generation of high-performance computers that will give birth to true artificial intelligence

    Let me get this straight. We're geeks. We read science fiction. Much of science fiction is spent talking about the dangers of pushing technology too far too quickly, especially artificial intelligence. We know that corporations like pushing too far too quickly as they can boost their stock prices. Here's a guy saying he wants to create "true" artificial intelligence and we're all-of-a-sudden thinking its a good thing?

    Damien

    1. Re:This is a good thing? by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Here's a guy saying he wants to create "true" artificial intelligence and we're all-of-a-sudden thinking its a good thing?

      Yes. You see, most geeks (although not all, by the tone of your comment) can differentiate between fact and fiction. Science fiction is written to entertain people, so it tends to have "oh the machines just turned evil" as a plot device. That doesn't mean machines "just turn evil" in reality.

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    2. Re:This is a good thing? by dvdeug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's a guy saying he wants to create "true" artificial intelligence and we're all-of-a-sudden thinking its a good thing?

      (A) It's been planned for 40 years now. It's a little late to be worrying about it.

      (B) Those 40 years have got us OCR programs that can almost beat an 8-year old for quality, and voice recognition programs that have to be trained on a particular voice. An AI that is two orders of magnitude better is still probably not going to be able to make breakfest.

      (C) There's six billion objects with natural intelligence that we let wander around with no supervision or real control. What's so scary about adding a few controlled supervised machine intelligences to the bunch?

      (D) There's a lot of science fiction that is about the wonders of what we can do with technology, too. If you read the book "I, Robot", you'll get long discussions of why the irrational fear of robots doesn't help.

    3. Re:This is a good thing? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1
      There's six billion objects with natural intelligence that we let wander around with no supervision or real control.

      Have you even met any of these six billion objects? They are completely out of their so-called "minds"! They roam free and kill each other off, befoul their own nests, and then create more of their type of objects than their pathetic little planet can sustain!

      Oh, and if you are not with the invasion fleet, I didn't say anything. This is not the message you are looking for.

  18. Lightspeed University by Alexis+Boulva · · Score: 1

    heh...
    (ironically, today's CAPTCHA image for me was 'horses')

    1. Re:Lightspeed University by los+furtive · · Score: 1

      Bah, the chicks there are softcore.

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  19. Perhaps he should focus.... by LordPhantom · · Score: 1

    ...on cloud seeding computer models or some form of weather forcast?

    Or computer controlled levy pumps or something useful :)

    Just seems as if moving to that area of the country _now_ isn't....safe.

    In other news, LSU was seen floating in the direction of Mexico......

    1. Re:Perhaps he should focus.... by jlanthripp · · Score: 1

      Actually, right now would be the safest time to move to Louisiana. Since a major hurricane just hit, it's statistically less likely to happen again for a few decades...

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  20. Nice but by D3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The LSU 9000 just doesn't have as nice a ring to it as calling it HAL.

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  21. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by The+Hobo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apu: I came here shortly after my graduation from CalTech: Calcutta Technical Institute, as the top student in my graduating class of 7 million.

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    1. Re:Obligatory Simpsons Quote by Yobgod+Ababua · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, alumni from the California Institute of Technology (and the school itself) generally always spell it "Caltech" and not "CalTech" or "Cal Tech".

      Now you know (and knowing is half the battle).

  22. Actually, LSU is getting better, so I hear by bersl2 · · Score: 1

    I think their admission standards went up to a 3.0 HS GPA (exemptions obviously still made).

  23. Oh, Great! by D3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Skynet will be corrupted by Mardi Gras and thus decide to save all the hot chicks but kill the rest of us.

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  24. hopefully his office... by Yonder+Way · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...will be one of those rare above-water ones.

  25. Swim with those sea monsters...!!! by scrwvwls · · Score: 1

    Breca cluster= windows NT farm

  26. What did they offer? by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
    Yeah, I know they're not going to say, but, while I could see moving to New Orleans from California, Baton Rouge isn't on my top, ummm, many places to see. (Perhaps I am missing something ...)

    And I can't think of anything that would temp me from JPL. (Leaving California earthquakes in favour of hurricanes perhaps?)

    Anyway, from TFA: By making computer chips more efficient, Sterling believes he can change computing by "one to three orders of magnitude" that will transform how humans interact with technology.

    "We'll finally stop interfacing with a computer with a keypad," he said. "It's a truly science fiction dream of talking to computers and computers talking back to you."

    Big deal, I talk to my computers every *bleeping* day, and I am starting to believe that they are talking back ...

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  27. Beowulf of Raincoats by lcsjk · · Score: 1
    The title says it all.

    I still think Beowulf was a writer. How did things get so out-of-hand. (no out-of-hand comments allowed.)

    1. Re:Beowulf of Raincoats by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 1

      No, Beowulf was the title of an epic poem.

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  28. Orders of Magnitude by aquabat · · Score: 4, Funny
    Sterling believes he can change computing by "one to three orders of magnitude"

    Hell, if I wanted to change the performance of my computer by one to three orders of magnitude, I would just run Vista.

    Oh, wait, maybe he meant one to three orders of magnitude faster. My bad.

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  29. Perhaps "riding the wave" is a poor word choice by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    By making computer chips more efficient, Sterling believes he can change computing by "one to three orders of magnitude"

    So his plan is to ride the Moore's Law wave for 18 to 54 months?

    (15 to 1500 years if they meant decimal orders of magnitude, rather than binary)

  30. A beowulf cluster of LSU Profs? by infonography · · Score: 1

    Well for once beowulf cluster jokes are kind of on topic.

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  31. Score 1 for the Hicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    LSU sounds like some backwater 2-bit university that can accomplish almost nothing. Most of you geeks are thinking that nasty thought at this very moment.

    Allow me to clear up your thinking. Consider Proteus. It is a high-performance simulator written at MIT for MIPS. Some graduate student at LSU ported it to SPARC.

    This work is stunningly brilliant and egalitarian.

    In the late '80s and early 90s, the eggheads at MIT and Stanford felt that they need only develop simulators for their clique-ish processor: MIPS. Yet, the rest of the world was using SPARC. In this way, the eggheads cornered multiprocessor research for themselves.

    LSU actually opened up multiprocessor research to the rest of the world by building a simulator that actually runs on the SPARC machines.

    To be fair, I should note that a small team at Stanford did the same thing with ABSS, another simulator that runs on SPARC machines.

  32. with that type of attitude... by slew · · Score: 1

    Seems like there are few stereo-typical comments I've seen from caltech folks complaining about the submitter's use of "Cal Tech", of course not addressing the fact that Caltech is losing a repected researcher in their center for advanced computer research...

    Hopefully catlech ;^) isn't all that can be said about this... :^( WHO CARES ;^)

    As an alum I'm a bit disappointed, although I'm not exactly surprized (at caltech, computers have always seemed more about applied science, than a science in themselves)...

    Anyhow, just a little venting...

    1. Re:with that type of attitude... by janneH · · Score: 1

      It probably should not matter, and the offtopic mod is fair enough.

      But it is also true that names do matter - Dale Carnegie makes that point in a pretty compelling way. An institutional name will of course not matter as much as personal name - but people who are at Johns Hopkins still get annoyed when people call it John Hopkins - whether it should matter or not.

    2. Re:with that type of attitude... by rdwald · · Score: 1

      Actually, in my experience CS at Caltech is more accurately referred to as "computation theory," a purely theoretical mathematical dicipline. Perhaps Sterling's work was too practical for the administration's taste...

  33. Explanation by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But could you rewrite your statement without superfluous language (i.e. "supercedes the facility of overexaggeration") or vague expressions (i.e. "improve development of wisdom")?

    Certainly, I will do so for the purpose of clarity.

    I am sick of the term next generation: it irks me.

    Next generation indicates that there is only progress extended from previous efforts.

    I think if you're talking about devoting the next twenty years towards developing true AI, then the focus has to be about the direction that could be taken, the nuts and bolts of it all, and what the setbacks could be.

    More than what is normally considered in developing AI models, would be required in the foundation of true AI.

    High performance computers are like high performance people, in many ways, or at least they should be.

    Driven people show traits that are above and beyond regular people, but somehow each person still has their own intelligence. People excel differently in situations, and high performers in an organization are rewarded. How can you reward a computer simulation? Should rewards not be part of the foundation of true AI?

    Incentives must exist for a metrological system to present itself into the true nature of self and this measure supercedes the facility of overexaggeration, to the point where no truly defined system can surpass the narrow view of purpose devoted by the creator, without being heralded as a foolish endeavour. The heavy processing of high performance computing works against the nature of AI.

    A new measurement must exist that is based on the nature of self-awareness, which would have to be the cornerstone of true AI. You have to know these measurements in order to perfect them, and the subject (the being using the AI) will also have to have some connection to these measurements. Humans have pain and pleasure. We are rewarded when we are doing things correctly, and we are punished when we are not. We rely on resources to survive. No AI system today has to face limited resources because their power comes from a bigger system. True AI should be forced to experience a similar measurement to enable self-awareness.

    The point; "this measure supersedes any facility of overexaggeration," means that the measurements can not be too noticeable or they will fail. How many of you notice every little nuance, every little adjustment in your mood, in your body? I was pointing at the necessity for subtle, subconscious measures, to propel changes in the AI structure.

    True AI means that mistakes will be made by the creator and the subject, and emotions will exist in the subject to counter-attack development stumbling blocks, and assist in development, or improve development of wisdom and ultimate self-awareness comes only from experiences of contrast, pain and pleasure (for example).

    I am connecting emotions with the measurements of true AI, so that it can self-guage, and assess events adequately.

    Improving the development of wisdom, means that a subject must learn from mistakes and develop an underlying, profound understanding of the subject's environment. This is part of true AI. That is also the reason for the measurements I was discussing.

    These precepts have never come into cause with a system yet, because each system is built as an object and not a person; each system is built for a financial purpose and not a scientific purpose.

    When you look at true AI, there is a price attached to it. When you look at human development, what did it cost our maker? Do we have a maker? Was there a bottom line? Was there a reward?

    Theology has to be present in creating something that will use true AI, mostly because without a creator relationship, the lack of purpose in the subject becomes perhaps a motivator for suicide, depression and other negative side-effects. If true AI will exist, then we must assume that the subject will possess at least some of our own negativity, or they cou

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  34. Predictable career move by obispo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    His is a predictable move. If after 9 years at Caltech he was still mired in an untenured, non-tenure-track position of "faculty associate", it's natural that he jumped at the chance of becoming a full professor at LSU.

    This comment is neither an endorsement nor an attempt to disparage the guy's technical merits, as I don't know the politics going on at Caltech. At least in computer science at Stanford, getting tenure has gotten ridiculously unlikely in the last several years.

    1. Re:Predictable career move by nxmehta · · Score: 1

      This is absolutely correct. As someone in computer science at Caltech, this is *not* surprising.

    2. Re:Predictable career move by evangellydonut · · Score: 1

      There's no tenure for CS at Caltech, period. (at least when I under'd there 'til '03)

  35. However, -2 for abandoning it by jd · · Score: 1
    Projects like this should (almost) never be abandoned. Why? Because:


    • It can be used as a starting point for SE programming exercises
    • When the maintainer moves on, it can be offered up for someone else to take over
    • There's a lot of work involved in designing parallel processing systems, and a tool like this would savagely cut development times - particularly for non-experts building their own clusters


    Projects that fold often do so not because they're no good, but because the right people never heard about them and/or a lack of imagination in the software's use.


    So, definitely the +1 for a brilliant piece of work, but -2 for really crappy follow-up. (Just think of how I rate MIT, then, if I'm savagely ripping places on follow-up!)

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  36. Ha! by jd · · Score: 1

    Well, you just imagine a Beowulf cluster of hurricanes used to power a Beowulf cluster used to model hurricanes that are usable for powering a Beowulf cluster used to model such hurricanes!

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  37. Had to be done... by lukateake · · Score: 1
    Thomas Sterling, upon arriving in Louisiana and surveying the awesome power of Hurricane Katrina, "Wow, imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...."

    [groans]

  38. not the same job by cahiha · · Score: 1

    He wasn't a faculty member at Caltech, he was a research associate. In most cases, infrastructure work, project management, and software development experience are not sufficient to get you tenure at a top university.

  39. Re:Lousiana? by jlanthripp · · Score: 1

    Only 4 clusters, one of which (named SuperMike) was the 11th fastest supercomputer on planet Earth and the 2nd fastest supercomputer at any academic institution on planet Earth when it was first benchmarked.

    2 years after SuperMike was built, Caltech finally built one faster and caught up with LSU.

    <sarcasm>Thank you for displaying your lack of prejudice </sarcasm>

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  40. Re:Baton Rouge is an armpit by jlanthripp · · Score: 1

    Strange...some of the best friends I've ever had live in Louisiana, including a few in Baton Rouge. On the other hand, the top ten biggest assholes I've ever met were split evenly between SoCal and NYC. Of course, like any place, Louisiana has its share of assholes. I'm sure there are some nice people in SoCal and NYC - I just haven't had the pleasure of meeting them.

    Unlike you, however, I don't make sweeping generalizations about a population of millions after meeting a few dozen of them.

    Pssst...Careful, your bigotry is showing.

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