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Opera Free as in Beer

nekura writes "Just last month, Opera was celebrating their 10 year anniversary by giving away free registration codes; now they've trumped that by offering Opera for free. Quoth their site, 'Opera has removed the banners, found within our browser, and the licensing fee. Opera's growth, due to tremendous worldwide customer support, has made todays milestone an achievable goal. Premium support is available.' Anyone who was on the verge of switching before now has virtually no reason not to."

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  1. Torrents by BrianJOpera · · Score: 5, Informative

    torrents
    save the servers :P

    1. Re:Torrents by endoplasmicMessenger · · Score: 5, Funny

      BTW, Opera has torrent support built in. So once you install it, you can go get the torrent!

      Oh, wait...

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  2. Good by Metasquares · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They had no hope of competing with Firefox and IE, despite the merits of their browser, so long as they charged for it while the other two were free.

    1. Re:Good by Cyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think Opera was making much money with their free desktop browser anyway.

      Their main profits are from embedded devices (PDAs and the like) that buy licenses to use their browser, because it's fast and small and has good support of all the desired features these days.

      Course, I haven't seen a recent version of Netfront - they may be losing ground to them, or they may still be way ahead...

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    2. Re:Good by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to Opera, their revenue was equally split between advertising, the fee, and search engines (not sure what this is -- does Opera run their own search engine?). Considering that no more than 3% of Opera users ever paid the fee, and considering you can still pay for premium support, it doesn't sound like it will take much to make up the difference. I, for example, never tried Opera becuase of the fee. Now I will install it and use it or Firefox, depending on which one gives the best experience (IE lost any chance of consideration as long as it is the security problem that it is -- and as far as I can see Microsoft will keep IE tightly integrated into the OS and thereby maintain it as the premium vector for security issues in Windows. It's bad enough I can't remove it, I'm surely not going to use it). I would bet that many others will do the same for Opera.

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    3. Re:Good by R.D.Olivaw · · Score: 4, Insightful
      yep open-source kills another business.

      I would like to mention that the first free browser was from a commercial company and was intended to kill another business.

      worth mentioning as well is the fact that the opera business is not dead. They just realised that giving the browser for free would increase their userbase and by extension other revenue streams.

      I dub thee 'sir troll'

    4. Re:Good by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They had no hope of competing with Firefox and IE, despite the merits of their browser, so long as they charged for it while the other two were free.

      People have been saying the same thing for as long as Opera has been around - "nobody will pay when the competition's free!" And yet they've managed to stay in business for the past ten years. Maybe people are willing to pay for quality software even if there's a cheaper alternative.

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    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can't let this pass. The first free browser was WorldWideWeb in 1991 from none other than T. Berners-Lee himself.

      Cello also predates Netscape.

    6. Re:Good by packman · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have a P910i, and Opera is supplied on CD. It's a rather big application (2/3mb if I recall well) after being installed. For a symbian phone, that's big, so I can understand they choose not to by default.
      They can't strip out the "default" symbian browser cause that's rather integrated and heavily used in the UIQ interface. Opera will however be the default browser on UIQ 3.0 platforms where it will replace the symbian browser.

    7. Re:Good by Hungry+Student · · Score: 4, Informative

      Typing g automatically runs an IFL search, typing google runs a proper google search.

      You can create your own ones of these. Create a bookmark, edit it and choose a keyword. Edit the url of the bookmark and add %s where you want your search term to appear i.e. Keyword google.

      http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%s

      Now, by typing google slashdot opera into my address bar, I search google for "slashdot opera". An example of a custom keyword search is the one I use for searching the PHP manual. I have the bookmark set as http://www.php.net/%s and the keyword as f. By typing f mysql_connect Firefox opens the manual page for mysql_connect on the php website.

      For your image search, you'd want something like
      http://images.google.com/images?q=%s, and set the bookmark keyword to i. Then type i britney spears and thus, it will load.

      All very handy.

    8. Re:Good by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I have a feeling there new business model is:

      A) Make money off embedded devices
      B) Provide 'premium' support to large corporations who are willing to switch to Opera for their default browser. Customize the browser based upon the corporations needs.

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  3. No reason? I think not. by rockclimber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who was on the verge of switching before now have virtually no reason not to.

    Except those who want free as in speech.

    1. Re:No reason? I think not. by LLuthor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Its easier to get Opera to make a change to their browser than Firefox. I needed a specific CSS feature that was used by my company on its pages, and neither FF or Opera supported it properly. I submitted the bug to Opera and to FF. I also wrote a patch later that week for FF. The FF developers completely ignored me and my patch and any further requests. Meanwhile, Opera's next beta had the problem fixed with no further interaction from me, except for an email request for a way to reproduce the bug. FF is open-source only in name and the fact that I can see the code. Every part of the development is totally closed.

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    2. Re:No reason? I think not. by poptones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you talking about? The fact you HAD the source code to the firefox browser allowed you to solve the problem within your company with no dependance upon anyone else. Whether or not the Firefox developers moved your patch into the distribution, you still had the problem solved within your infrastructure because you were able to patch Firefox yourself.

      Open source does not mean the project leaders will solve every problem for the asking. Open source means you have the freedom and the information required to solve the problem yourself.

    3. Re:No reason? I think not. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What if this on a website that clients use? It is a lot easier to say "Use the latest browers" than "If you want to use firefox, you have to use this custom built version I made so it would be compatible"?

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    4. Re:No reason? I think not. by black+mariah · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Thier policies toward code changes have nothing to do with thier license agreement.
      Which just goes to show that open source is pretty fucking useless unless you want to fork the entire fucking codebase of everything you submit a patch for.
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    5. Re:No reason? I think not. by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whether or not the Firefox developers moved your patch into the distribution, you still had the problem solved within your infrastructure because you were able to patch Firefox yourself.

      That's a distinctly sub-optimal solution. What happens when the next version of Firefox is released? Is he supposed to make the changes to the new version too? And after that? Is he supposed to maintain a separate fork for as long as he needs this feature?

      Open source does not mean the project leaders will solve every problem for the asking.

      No, but there's at least a reasonable expectation that they'll apply a patch that adds a missing feature.

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    6. Re:No reason? I think not. by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Free" has two meanings. The first is free as in cost. Free beer is an example where free means "costs nothing", so some people use this as a shorthand explanation. The other meaning is free in the sense of freedom. i.e. Unrestricted. Free Speech is free in this way, so some people say free as in speech to illustrate they mean this definition.

      Software is free in either of these ways. Internet Explorer is free to download so is free as in cost (Free as in Beer). Linux is free to copy and modify, so it's free in the sense of freedom (Free as in speech).

      It also has certain positive connotations that many free software advocates like. Free speech is regarded as a good thing. Associating free software with free speech gives it a positive image.

      Hope this helps.

    7. Re:No reason? I think not. by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Open source means you have the freedom and the information required to solve the problem yourself.

      If you're a developer with deep insight in the Mozilla codebase.

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    8. Re:No reason? I think not. by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if this on a website that clients use? It is a lot easier to say "Use the latest browers" than "If you want to use firefox, you have to use this custom built version I made so it would be compatible"?

      Sorry, if you need to use a bleeding edge browser to view a public web site then that site is essentially broken - you need to provide support to browsers at least a year or so old if you want the site reachable to the masses.

  4. Can someone please explain to me... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the advantages of using Opera over Firefox?

    1. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by Errtu76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      smaller binary name == less chance on RSI while executing it from the command line

    2. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by simetra · · Score: 5, Informative
      • pop-up blocker, mouse gestures, etc, built in; no need to download/trust/install extensions from god knows who
      • changing settings, you don't need to close and re-open it every bloody time
      • built-in IRC client
      • built-in email client
      • built-in bit torrent client
      • highly-configurable thru gui, not through text file hacks
      • produced by an actual company with an actual interest in quality moreso than freedom/clunky-breakiness

      These are the main reasons I can think of, besides the features that are probably common to Opera and Firefox, such as being very fast (I didn't use FF long enough to tell if it was as fast as Opera), having community-built themes, etc.

      Basically, it comes "out of the box" ready to go and requires much, much, much less dicking around with to get it Just The Way I Like. This is really important to actual users, believe it or not.
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    3. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by adolfojp · · Score: 5, Informative

      Imagine Firefox with most of its plugins in a smaller, more responsive package, and not feeling that you are using a Frankenbrowser.

      Now imagine being able to disable any page's design so that you can improve readability. Also imagine being able to store a number of pages in sessions instead of individual bookmarks. Imagine a button that stores the links of the pages that you have just closed in case that you want to open them again. Imagine true page zooming, a RSS reader, irc chat, and a gmail like mail client in less than 4 MB.

      Whenever I use anything else I feel as if I am not getting the whole internet experience.

      Cheers,
      Adolfo

    4. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by slapout · · Score: 4, Informative

      See 30 Days to Becoming an Opera7 Lover

      Opera does a lot more than most people realize.

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    5. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by Fweeky · · Score: 4, Informative

      "built-in bit torrent client"

      This is still only in the 8.10/8.02 previews, right? I don't see it in the changelogs or feature lists for 8.50.

    6. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

      As an avid Opera user, and a fan of Firefox, they can similar to a light or average user. I'll assume here that you're familiar with both.

      I like to think of Opera as a highly configurable tool for heavy users who like to get their hands dirty with their tools, and Firefox for everyone else. Opera is highly configurable, has nice data semi-permanence features, and there are a million advanced options that speed up use for people willing to learn about what it can do.

      If you don't like where the menu bar is, you can move it to the bottom of the screen, or to the sides, or you can move the buttons to a different bar, or move the buttons from other bars to that one. You can liberally re-arrange everything about the interface to suit your particular tastes, and can add and remove buttons and functionality as you please. I've seen people who have all of the functionality of the browser on a single pop-up address bar on the side of the window, and others that spread everything around onto dozens of little areas.

      And there are quick and easy buttons available in the interface for everything: from zooming to above 100% to changing your "identify as" to toggling javascript. Basically all of these behave intelligently. If you hold the zoom drop-down button you get a standard drop-down menu to select the zoom resolution you want, and if you click on it, it automatically resets to 100%. And you move buttons by simply grabbing and moving them, which is very easy and convienient.

      If you're comfortable editing a simple menu.ini file, you can add or subtract menu options. As a real-world example, you can add menu options for "open in I.E." "Validate HTML" "Validate Links" and "Spell Check" pretty easily to the right-click menu. While these can't be completely new code, you can pipe existing functions together in new ways to create things that do new behaviors.

      Unlike Firefox's extensions you can't add extensive code that doesn't already exist. You can, however, run external applications which seems to cover the extreme cases. But if I needed to code an HTML editor in an extension, for example, I would recommend Firefox as a base over Opera. But for nearly all other personal customization, I'd go with Opera.

      Data permanence is also a big issue in Opera. If you go backwards and forwards in Firefox, you lose any text you may have typed into a comment box. If you go backwards and forwards in Opera, your comment stays right where it was. On Slashdot this lets you go a couple of links back, launch a new window with the story in it, and go back forwards to what you were writing. It also caches the rendered page, so that going forwards and backwards is instantaneous.

      You can also undo closing tabs. I can't tell you the number of times this has come in handy. Unfortunately, comment fields are not permanent across tab or application closures, something I wish they would fix. However, you do keep your history on that tab, which is nice. You also have windows open across sessions. If the application crashes or is accidentally closed, you can re-open it with all of your tabs still in place, and can still go back and forwards through their histories. Basically, Opera crashing is a 3 second fix, while Firefox crashing requires tediously going back through the history figuring out where all of your tabs were.

      You can also save all of your open tabs or windows as a session, and can re-open sessions as bookmarks, on startup, etc.

      There is also basic psuedo command line functionality, in that you can convert any *.[space]TEXT into http://www.yoursearchengine.com/search?q=TEXT. "g footloose" will search google for the term "footloose". "z firefly" will search amaZon for "firefly." I personally have searches setup for ebay, friend's bulletin boards, language translators, and a whole lot else.

      The mail client was the first mail client that I know of to use freestanding searches as virtual folders, but tha

    7. Re:Can someone please explain to me... by endoplasmicMessenger · · Score: 5, Informative
      One Opera feature that I'm addicted to: Undo on tab close.

      After having drilled ten levels deep into a web site I accidently close the tab. With Opera, just Undo and you're back where you were.

      On Firefox, well, lets hope you remember how you got to that tenth level.

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  5. Great News for Standards Compliance by stinerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm certainly glad that they are doing this even though I don't plan to use Opera in the near future. More alternatives will push web developers to use standards instead of just coding for IE.

    1. Re:Great News for Standards Compliance by morcego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure.

      I have a feeling that a free-Opera will hurt Firefox's marketshare more than it will hurt IE's.

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  6. My reasons for not switching. by Alranor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone who was on the verge of switching before now have virtually no reason not to

    AdBlock Plus
    BugMeNot
    CustomizeGoogle
    DictionarySearch
    Farkit
    Gmail Notifier
    Nuke Anything
    Plain Text Links
    Switch Proxy Tool
    Greasemonkey

    I'm glad there's a version without the annoying advertising, but it wasn't that which was keeping me from using Opera.

    1. Re:My reasons for not switching. by hkmwbz · · Score: 5, Informative
      Most of those are either available outside the browser (notifiers, etc.), or possible to do in Opera in some way (User JS to convert links in plain text files, built-in searches are there already, etc.). Greasemonkey is just the Firefox equivalent of User JS in Opera. It's rather easy to add a button to Opera which gets a BugMeNot login for the current page, too. As an example.

      Just FYI.

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    2. Re:My reasons for not switching. by Kimos · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:My reasons for not switching. by sznupi · · Score: 5, Informative
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  7. Hopefully Microsoft will do this as well! by mynickwastaken · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope that Microsoft will decide also to give Internet Explorer for free. My desktop is full of banners and popup windows.

  8. Re:Free is good... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Free beer with every copy of Opera is best.

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  9. Opera by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Opera is a really good web browser. It is fast, renders most pages really well, and has a good UI. However, the spot where FireFox beats it, is in the Extensions department. Extensions are what makes firefox the best browser out there. The Web Developer extension makes web development a breeze, and FlashBlock makes sure I don't have any animations hogging my CPU cycles unless I want to. Oh, and the Javascript Debugger is the best tool ever. It's not the best debugger, and ironically, is kind of buggy itself, but, it has saved me hours of infesting my code with alerts() in order to find out the problem.

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  10. Some info on their new revenue model by ziggamon2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Cut and paste from their investors FAQ:
    1. Search partners
    The Opera Browser features integrated search and shopping bars, and partner companies pay a fee to Opera every time a user utilizes the integrated search or shopping bar. Opera cooperates with a few select partners it feels can contribute value to its product and users. Deals with companies like Google, Fast, Lycos, InfoSeek, Yahoo, Amazon, and eBay are showing constant growth in revenues for Opera.

    2. Rendering engine as a separate product
    Opera delivers a full-featured, embeddable version of its desktop browser that can be integrated into a wide range of applications. Adobe and Macromedia are important partners in this segment.

    3. Opera Web Mail
    Opera provides a free and a pay service Webmail. When users pay for the premium service, Opera splits the revenue with Outblaze, the company that operates the service.

    It seems to me they have made a very wise choice. Being ad-free will increase the popularity of the browser tremendously, and thereby increase their incomes from sponsored search partners, like Google, which will probably more than compensate for their incomes from the paid browser, and annoying ads.
  11. Re:Free is good... by d3bruts1d · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yup... Opera has stated in the IRC, Blog, and forums that if you purchased Opera in the last 30 days you can get a full refund. I've purchased Opera no less than 5 times over the years (home, work, family, new version, etc.) and still I don't have an issue with Opera now releasing the product as free. I'll continue to support the product and the company. I like doing that for quality software.

  12. Re:Next Step by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Insightful


    How about "Never"... Opera actually make a PROFIT out of their browser business.. which is certainly better than "survival". Their main profit comes from their device platform but some people are indeed willing to pay for a better quality browser.

    Opera is much better, and quicker, to use than either of the other popular browsers out there, and some organisations will continue to pay for Opera based on that responsiveness and security. More often people will pay for the mobile browser however. If there is common code between the two then Opera would be releasing the crown jewels for free and would cease to be a VIABLE company.

    Open Source is NOT always the only answer, some people have to make a living.

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  13. Re:Firefox by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well FireFox is a web browser as well so you can't rule out the posibility that Opera is trying to compete with it.

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  14. Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the fundamental issue I have with the F/OSS mindeset--you have the source, so you can fix things yourself, and to hell with everyone else.

    First of all, let me be the 5 millionth person to point out that not every user has the skills, tools, time, and inclination needed to fix things. (Yes, you were responding to a person who did provide a fix, but I'm talking about the more genral case.)

    Second, the inherent selfishness and short sightedness of this F/OSS mindset is very damaging to the whole community's image, and ultimately, to the success of projects. What the hell ever happened to putting the user first, to valuing and maximizing the benefit the project provides to non-developers? Until the F/OSS community stops acting like a bunch of petulant kids and starts behaving like responsible adults, this will be a very serious problem, one that many people within the community don't even see.

  15. Your right and wrong by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You see being easy to use is NOT what opensource is all about. It is the fact that YOU can modify YOUR copy of the sourcecode so that YOUR binary will do what YOU want it to do.

    It does not mean YOU can alter MY copy of MY sourcecode. Or even to force me to distribute YOUR alteration.

    Sure in the case were you are unable to distribute your alteration to those who need it it sucks donkey balls. Just as IE's total domination of the browser market sucks donkey balls because it still means I can't use many many many features that work beautifull in every real browser out there.

    So firefox in this case showed both how opensource works, namely that he was able to modify his own copy of it to do what he wanted AND showed why doing doing web development is such a pain in the ass. Because ultimately you can't develop for the browser on your machine, you have to write for the browser installed on your clients machine. Even if that is netscape 4.

    Next time I get a snide remark about a C programmer building 100% clientside software for Windows 2000 only I am gonna go postal. PHP/ASP/Perl may be joke languages but crosscoding between browsers is the ultimate challenge. Doom3 engine, PAH! Try just getting a bunch of left floated images to center. Now that takes brains.

    What do you mean I sound bitter?

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  16. Re:What merits? by masklinn · · Score: 5, Informative
    I had great hopes for Opera, so I'm the more bitter about how they, IMO, misprioritized development. In comparison, the FireFox team did everything right. It took a few years waiting for Mozilla to come around, but now it's here and it's solid, while Opera isn't even small or fast any longer. Too bad.

    As much as I love Firefox, using it as my main browser and all, that has to be corrected.

    • Opera's installer is lighter than Firefox's
    • Opera takes about 20% of the memory a regular Firefox takes, and if you use firefox for a few hours on content-filled website you'll end with the fox hogging 200Mb of RAM while Opera will still be far under 50Mb
    • Opera's javascript engine is about 15-20 times faster than Gecko's
    • Standards support of Opera is comparable to that of Gecko.

    Opera is still lighter than Firefox, and still faster, by a far margin.

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  17. Re:no reason? by Karhgath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you are taking an ideological stance in which you do not use any closed/proprietary software(including windows, office, etc.), in which case it's justified, or if you are a Firefox developper and need the source, I don't see that as a strong argument. The fact that it's open source doesn't mean much beside for development and ideological reasons. In the end it's a product.

    Now, you may not like Opera for other reasons, or you are happy with firefox and don't see why you'd switch, that's fine. But not trying it because it's not open source is pretty stupid IMHO.

    Now, since they are mostly similar, I don't see a lot of people switching from one to another, but that's something else and has nothing to do in the fact that it's open source or not. Those using FF don't see why they should switch, and Oepra users don't see why they should switch. Some will switch because of a couple of features or other reasons, but they both do a pretty good job.

    Maybe I'm an open source traitor, but I do like open source and see the advantage of it, but if a closed source software does a better job, or is really cool and innovate, and the price is right, I'll gladly pay to encourage the company. 20-40 bucks for a software I use everyday? That's fair. Now it's free, which is even better. I use tons of open source software whenever I can, but I still use some closed software too. I donate or contribute to open source projects whenever I can, just as I pay for a closed software if I like it.

  18. Open-Source as end-user feature!? by porneL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did you patch and compile your Firefox? Or did you just download binary like 80 millions other users?