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IBM Thinkpads now in Titanium

Darksoftnet writes "Lenovo (who now owns IBM's PC business), has introduced a new shade to the Thinkpad range with the launch of a Z-Series laptop that comes both in a "classic black" case or a "special-edition" brushed titanium cover."

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  1. yay!!! wait... by jigjigga · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whoopty doo?

    1. Re:yay!!! wait... by utnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And they all wanna be Apple.

  2. In Related News: by Artie_Effim · · Score: 5, Funny

    The on keypad volume now goes to 11 !!

    1. Re:In Related News: by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it goes to 14 on both my four-year-old X21 (which I'm typing this post on) and a brand new (shipped 2005-09-09) R50e that I was setting up for a friend.

    2. Re:In Related News: by lullabud · · Score: 4, Funny

      But... this one goes to eleven.

  3. TiPad by LittleGuernica · · Score: 5, Funny

    If there is a big Lenovo sticker on the lid right in the middle, that looks like it's covering something up, something fruitlike, then don't buy them....they could be a few years old..

    1. Re:TiPad by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't mind having one of these, though. I have an iBook myself, my girlfriend has had an iBook and now has a ThinkPad, and a friend used to have a TiBook and now has a ThinkPad. All of us actually prefer the Apple hardware, which is queiter, lighter, runs longer on a battery, and has a proper CPU architecture, and (used to?) look better.

      Of course, it depends on what's most important to you. A ThinkPad can run Windows, is generally faster (depending on the application), costs less on initial purchase, and has an internal wireless network adapter that is supported by Linux (I use a supported USB one with my iBook).

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    2. Re:TiPad by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the stated reasons for the x86 changeover is because of power consumption, and it's not because of the P4 architecture but because of PM and what will replace P4. While it is good compute-wise, the G4 is hobbled by a slow bus (167MHz vs 400MHz and higher) and smaller cache 512k vs. (1MB and 2MB), and really can't compete well.

      I'm not really buying the battery life claims as people report longer battery life with Centrino laptops. Apple laptops aren't nearly the performance leaders they should be either, because it is held back.

  4. Re:Picture? by Willeh · · Score: 4, Funny
    Yeah, here you go: http://www.apple.com/powerbook . This should spawn a whole new version of those commercials where they drop someone's laptop computer on the ground. They might have to drop Steve Jobs' Laptop, and then the dude would say "That's not my notebook". Oh, the hilarity!

    You might cringe, but at least it beats the free Opera dupe story that was originally here.

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  5. Way to look like a powerbook, thinkpad by luminea · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.ibmuser.idv.tw/viewtopic.php?t=19990 I'll always think the real deal is sexier. I [heart] my Thinkpad.

    1. Re:Way to look like a powerbook, thinkpad by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, so Lenovo has a titanium top cover on their laptop, while the Powerbook had a complete casing made of titanium. (The chassis was magnesium). Of course Titanium was expensive, and had problems with holding paint and could not be effectively anodized, leading to the new aluminum Powerbooks, but hey....They were sooo cool, and even though they have not been around for a couple of years, still look better than most of the current laptop offerings from other companies.

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  6. Special punishment by PincheGab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There should be a special punishment for people who post stories abut how something looks, and then the link has no pics of it...

    1. Re:Special punishment by MythMoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Quite. Here's the best picture I could find:
      http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/

      That's probably a fairly ephemeral link; this might hang around longer, but it's only a thumbnail:
      http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/images/rt_titani umback_78.jpg

      From this page:
      http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/zseries/index.ht ml

      I'm sure someone can do better than that.

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    2. Re:Special punishment by tpgp · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a nice big pic
      Taken from Notebook reviews

      Looks quite nice

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  7. Why is this news? by UnderAttack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So there is a different color thinkpad, and this is newsworthy? Not even a picture of the thing in the article. Nothing a can of spray paint wouldn't be able to do.

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    1. Re:Why is this news? by DaveFromChicago · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmmm... can't say I've ever purchased a notebook based on its color. However, I rather liked IBM's idea of keeping them all basic black while concetrating on other, more important features.

    2. Re:Why is this news? by d1v1d3byz3r0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's news because it's historic. Thinkpads have long been regarded as the finest x86 notebooks around. And, since their inception, they've always been black (IIRC). This is the first time they've deviated from that classic black color scheme, and some geeks appreciate that kind of information.

  8. Poor Richard Sapper... by onpaws · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For more design history of the thinkpad, check out the "Thinkpad Genesis Series" on:

    http://www.thinkpads.com/Genesis3.htm
    http://www.thinkpads.com/Genesis%204.htm

    Richard Sapper is the German designer who designed the famous Artemide Tizio lamp (which also shares the Thinkpad's red controls and silver hinges).:

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/11/euwcm/ho_1988. 236.10.htm

  9. Whoa!!! What a great idea!!! by bossesjoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wish Apple had thought of this

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  10. do those ppl know... by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    that titanium is flamable ???

    ok, it takes in excess of 4000C to ignite it, but with the heat those things are putting out i believe they'll soon have to recall the notebooks and replace the titanium by asbestos or ceramic compounds...

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    1. Re:do those ppl know... by justforaday · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mmmm...AsbestosPad...

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  11. Those who refuse to learn from history... by UpLateDrinkingCoffee · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article (about how Thinkpads that are anything but black will be rejected by consumers):

    IBM in 1999 offered individual buyers "optional coloured covers" for laptops in Mars Red Metallic, Andromeda Green or Polaris Blue for an extra US$30. The idea did not take off.

    Uh, maybe because the charged $30 extra? Also, the color names sound like they are marketed to 8 year olds. Considering who buys these things, they would have been better off with "Merger Magenta" or "Big-bonus Blue". Seriously, titanium is not that extreme.

    1. Re:Those who refuse to learn from history... by mydigitalself · · Score: 2, Funny

      in 1999 it was only 8 year olds who knew how to use laptops....

      *sigh*

    2. Re:Those who refuse to learn from history... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should have offered additional "flavors" instead of plain old "colors"...would have sold 'em like hotcakes!

  12. Ti + WiFi by c4seyj0nes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Didn't Apple move to aluminum because the titanium interfered with WiFi reception?

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    1. Re:Ti + WiFi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      A fairly incoherent response from one of the image sites linked below that if correct answers your question (also, what does aluminum do that titanium doesn't? "costs less" is all I can think of):

      Posted Sep 13, 2005, 2:25 PM ET by Jonathan Moore

      "1) The Apple Titanium PowerBook had the weakest 802 reception because of the titanium case"

      Actuly that was not the issue. The antenna was on the side of the body wich was carbon fiber. There is more of a sotry that has to do with the indstrual designers where to make the reseption good thay had to put some conductive paint on the out side of the carbon fiber but you could see it, if just barley, and the ID peopel did not like that so they had it removed. The reception was still in spec with no paint but is sucked.

    2. Re:Ti + WiFi by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

      Didn't Apple move to aluminum because the titanium interfered with WiFi reception?

      That might have been one of the minor reasons. Some others include: Titanium is more expensive, the titanium shell didn't really make it more durable, they had to paint it to make it look like people expected titanium to look, the paint often started bubbling and chipping off after a few months, the aluminum designs could be produced with fewer parts, and the new anodization process looked pretty fucking hot.

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    3. Re:Ti + WiFi by RevRigel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Additionally, they were using commercially pure (CP) titanium; that is to say, unalloyed. This made it possible to form it into the shapes required, but it's extraordinarily weak, normally only used for decoration or for applications that need a corrosion resistant material (racks for aluminum anodization are made of CP titanium). Alloyed aluminum of pretty much any type is going to be cheaper, easier to form/machine, and much stronger. And with a decent anodization, it will be far more scratch resistant.

  13. Pictures! by Viceice · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pictures in stories here and here. Enjoy!

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  14. Re:Lenovo by sspurrier · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why in the world would you assume that? Lenovo didn't purchase the power pc line or even any machines that use it. They bought the line to get the thinkpad which is a damn good corporate laptop and thats about it. What about the purchase made you think that PPC or linux was Lenovos focus? Lenovo is just another Wintel Vendor, albeit one with a good laptop product.

  15. Re:Picture? by ploss · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's some here. http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/

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  16. This is serious news... by tyroneking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... because it heralds the first noticeable change in the Thinkpad line since it was sold. Thinkpads have a reputation the workplace for reliability, performance and build quality; the corporate standard (usually HP) pales in comparison. Unlike the HP line, Thinkpads don't 'squeak' when you lean your hands on them, don't get too hot, don't make loud fan noises, don't crash mysteriously, and don't have their case colour rub off over time. A new titanium casing could be a disaster if it starts to rub off like it does on other makes of laptop because that will turn high-end corporate customers off in droves because it will be taken as emblematic of what will happen to the inside of the IBM laptop.

    I know, sounds like a little thing, but the solid case is a mark of quality that Lenovo can't afford to lose.

    PS I love my Thinkpad ;)

    1. Re:This is serious news... by LowellPorter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thinkpads have a reputation the workplace for reliability, performance and build quality; the corporate standard (usually HP) pales in comparison

      Not anymore. Since Levono has taken over, the quality has gone downhill. The company I work for has had a 20% failure rate with the laptops since Lenovo took over. On top of that, it now takes 6 - 8 weeks to get one because they're shipped directly from China. The same goes with their desktops. The company I work for orders around 2,000 computers a year, and this is unacceptable.

    2. Re:This is serious news... by kisielk · · Score: 3, Informative

      At the company I worked for, we were already getting a large (probably 10-15% iirc) failure rate with the T41's and X31's we were buying some time before the Lenovo take over.. mostly problems with the display going to garbage after several weeks..

  17. Re:Lenovo by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I am still waiting for something exicting to happen here. When the sale went through I thought that Lenovo would try to break away from the wintel model and do something cool with PPC and linux. The wait continues.

    And what in God's name made you think that? They bought a division that makes laptops, running windows on intel chips. They're currently making laptops that run windows on intel chips. This should not be surprising They're in the business to make money, and linux/PPC isn't it.

    Not to mention they didn't buy IBM's linux and PPC businesses.

    They are doing things IBM would never have done with the Thinkpad line, but it's still a business - and I have to imagine customer demand for linux/PPC laptops is, outside of the /. market, quite low.

  18. Re:Lenovo by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why?! ThinkPads are perfectly good machines as they are; possibly the only PC laptops that don't plain suck in one way or another. Ever since IBM sold the line, I've been afraid the new owner would screw it up somehow.

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  19. Been there, done that by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When are they going to come up with ideas that truly make your laptop better. Sure titanium is stronger than plastic, but I bet it costs a lot more. If it doesn't you're getting gipped on the plastic version. I want a laptop with better battery life. They have made advancements in batteries, but these have been trumped by making chips and drives that require more power. Where's my 10 hour laptop? and I mean 10 hours while actually doing real work on the laptop.

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  20. Re:Lenovo by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As for doing ``something cool with Linux and PPC'', here are a few things to chew on:

      - Linux runs like a charm on both ThinkPads and Apple notebooks. ThinkPads actually do a bit better, as they use supported wireless cards, whereas Apples have the cursed Broadcom chipset.

      - The main difference between the x86 and PPC CPUs is that x86s go faster, whereas PPCs are more energy efficient.

      - Of course, the CPU also affects what proprietary operating systems you can run. PPC allows you to run Mac OS X, whereas x86 allows you to run Windows.

      - However, you probably don't _really_ want either operating system. Windows is junk, and OS X is great in theory, but is unbearably slow compared to Linux. Just my experience, of course.

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  21. What next? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 3, Funny

    What next, a black iPod? Oh wait...

  22. ibook vs thinkpad by brlewis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may not have noticed this using a USB wireless network adapter, but the built-in ibook wireless doesn't get signal very well. I have an IBM thinkpad 600E with a Belkin PCMCIA wireless card. I get 80-90% signal in places where my wife's ibook get's none. I think Apple wants to sell lots of airport stations. (This is with a linksys B router).

    1. Re:ibook vs thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously... check the antenna is plugged in correctly on her WiFi card. The iBooks have truly great wifi reception normally, so I'm guessing something is wrong with your wife's model.

    2. Re:ibook vs thinkpad by funkyjunkman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out this link on Apple's support site. I work with dozens of PowerBooks and iBooks and have never experienced the problem you describe unless there was a problem with the antenna.

  23. Re:IBM or the Company that bought the computer par by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

    IBM designed most of this.

    Lenovo, that Chinese computer company, is selling this.

    Here's how it works:

    When you order an IBM PC (read: ThinkPad or ThinkCentre) or an accessory, you're dealing with Lenovo. All models except for the Z series were completely designed by IBM, and the Z series was mostly designed by IBM.

    When you get support for an IBM PC, (as far as I understand), you're calling IBM, not Lenovo.

    When you order a server from IBM, you're dealing with IBM, and Lenovo has nothing to do with it.

  24. No by milimetric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    whereas that's a nice color and everything, what's inside is what matters. I've always really respected IBM because contrary to what everyone else did, they always stuck with quality of design. They never had the fastest processors. They kept the insides simple, only what you need and no more. Now Lenovo is adding all sorts of connectors, buttons, shortcuts, changing the keyboards, basically fucking everything up. I just hope I can raise enough money to get an IBM T42p before they're not made by IBM any more. The T series is the best laptop that has and will ever be made. The very fact that IBM saw it as unprofitable is indicative of its supreme quality.

    No Lenovo, bad move. Instead of distancing yourself from IBM you should spend the 5 years you have been granted in worship of the IBM design, understanding every little piece and reasoning that went into every corner and design. Only when you fully understand their genius, then can you try to duplicate and move the products in a worthy direction. Otherwise, you're going to drive the whole thing into the ground. Dell and HP already have you beat on the "do-it-all" laptops. You're never going to win there. The only thing you have is quality. Once you ruin that, you're fucked. And from your new buttons and architecture changes, it looks like you like getting fucked.

    1. Re:No by Halo- · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm not sure that it means, but the T42p is current the standard laptop issued to developers in my division of IBM. I just got mine about a week ago, and so far, so good.

      One thing to note is that even though it's easier to run Linux on that other computers there are still some warts. For example the built-in 802.11a/b/g card needs the MadWifi drivers, and to really make the display perform well you need the proprietary ATI drivers. Both of these taint the kernel.

      On the plus side, a lot of stuff "just worked" for me out of the box or with little hassle. Most notably was ACPI suspend to RAM (S3). I can't tell you how much I've missed being able to just shut the lid and throw my laptop in mt briefcase for a day or two. (I should note you do have to add a line to the kernel boot options, and the lid-shut needs a script, but echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep works)

      I'm really psyched that there is an actual ibm-acpi module in the standard kernel now...

  25. Info-tising by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slashdot is pioneering a new type of advertising that actually is disguised to appear as if it's actually useful information or "news". I like to call it "info-tising"! It's been used on our TV news broadcasts in smaller, more subtle ways for years, but Slashdot takes it to a new level, whereas they just barely try to conceal the advertisement.

  26. Titanium is only part of the the story... by mschaef · · Score: 2, Informative

    IMO, Titanium is only part of the story. The (IMO, much bigger deal) is the new Widescreen display (finally). The lack of a widescreen is a big part of the reason I did not buy a Thinkpad - Visual Studio runs better with the wider aspect ratio. I don't know if they offer resolutions past WXGA (1280x800), but we should all welcome IBM to at least 2002.

  27. WiFi Range? by ChePibe · · Score: 2, Informative

    My old 12" PowerBook was a great machine, and I appreciated its durability and looks, but the metal case seriously cut into it's WiFi range. My wife's 12" iBook was always much better than mine. To be honest, this is one of the things that's keeping me from buying a PowerBook again and just getting an iBook until the new Intel books come out to see if Apple fixes this.

    At least the Ti cover is removable - so you can keep it for the looks/protection, then take it off when you need to get in touch with a distant hot spot.

  28. i'm sure the question on EVERYONE's mind is by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Funny

    if I become disgruntled and use my super-geek skills to commandeer a secret government earthquake producing satellite while on board a train, and ex-Navy seal turned chef shoots me in the laptop I hold in front of my heart, WILL IT STOP THE BULLET??!!

  29. Never mind the colour, does it have a Windows key? by scottme · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IBM ThinkPads have traditionally omitted this small homage to Redmond, but it looks like this model may see them conforming at last.

    Oh well, my next laptop will be a Powerbook anyway.