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KDE 3.5 Beta 1 Announced
christchurch writes "The KDE Project has announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.5 Beta 1, dubbed "Kanzler". This will be the last major release in the KDE 3 series. Qt 3.3.5 was released too late to adapt to it and it shows some fundamental compilation problems. We had a preview of KDE 3.5 two months ago."
Maybe they'll release a KDE 3.6 that is just a port to Qt 3.3.5 ?
Your CPU is not doing anything else, at least do something.
Its pretty cool. Hasn't crashed yet. If you are running Kubuntu, you can go to this site: http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php and get the hookup.
Can whoever it is that reads osnews.com stop posting copies to Slashdot 4 days later?
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kde cannot print for a damn, it lacks wysiwyg printing, documents in konqueror and kmail and koffice do not appear the same on the screen when compared to print output.
do not tell me it works fine because i know that it does not work.
...is it Merkel or Schröder?
Print Selection
One of many basic features that remains unfulfilled.
One example of the fundamental difference between OSS and commercial offerings.
Now, if you can work just fine without such a simple feature, then KDE is great. I use it and have been for quite a while now. But KDE is low on the WAF. (Wife Acceptance Factor)
I know, more than two words. Don't get your knickers in a bunch.
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
... or else they would have called it Kanzlerin.
Konqueror (I suppose with the Apple patches in, thanks guys) now succeeds at rendering the ACID2 Webstandard-Tests (yes, we know that it's not an official standard. Firefox still can't do this.
And best of all, its got AdBlock-like functionality integrated, that works like a charm. Even with the Filter G Set for Mozilla Adblock.
That's one less user for Firefox, I'm sticking to Konqueror now as it is faster and not as memory-greedy.
Check it out!
Seriously KDE has never been as uninspiring. It used to be a Kool desKtop but now it just sucKs. Kan't they just maKe the whole experience easier on everyday people? What bugs me about them is that they Kopy windows and do a bad job at it.
They're forming a coalition together, but unfortunately it's incompatible with the gpl.
So it looks like you're all stuck with communism again, so have fun with that!
The first rule of USENET is you do not talk about USENET.
Oh Krap!
The days of the digital watch are numbered.
Why should I care?
Really, in the best writing classes that I've ever taken, the instructed always made the point that a writer should always be first concerned with why would the reader care about the subject matter.
I looked all over KDE's website. About all I could find was "Here's a new beta. Try it and tell us what you think." But, nowhere did it give me any reason to want to try it. I use KDE on a production basis, but there's no reason for me to go poking around and messing with stuff that ain't broken unless there is some benefit to realize.
Hey, guys and gals. I know ya'll've been working on something. What have you fixed/upgraded/added?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
What I'd LOVE to see is someone porting the full KDE system to run natively on Windows, then write a layer that'll handle Windows GUI calls and DirectX through KDE. A screenshot of that would freak out so many people...
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
At least KDE is trying to copy an OS launched in 2001. Gnome is trying to clone MacOS 8, launched in 1997. Pfft!
Of course, this is pretty obvious stuff - the bleeding-edge branch of any rapid project is almost invariably going to stay as far ahead of the curve as possible, so that the software is moderately stable by the time the code hits beta-testing and beta-testers can concentrate on QC, not feature-fixing.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Kanzler? I thought Microsoft's beta naming conventions were goofy, but after Mandriva and now Kanzler, I think a torch has been passed.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Scenario 1. Print a portion of a newsgroup digest from Kmail.
Let's say the digest contains two U.S. Letter sized pages of text of which I want to print a single insightful portion.
-File>Print....... Guess what? I can't print a selection because there's no option in either Kmail's File menu or KDE's print dialog box.
Scenario 2. Print a portion of code from KDE's text editor.
The file is open in the text editor and the editor does a beautiful job of rendering the code. Now, I want to print just one section.
-File>Print..... Surprise, no print selection option under File menu or Print dialog boxes.
Scenario 3. Print a selection from Mozilla browser.
With the browser open on some URL with text, highlight some text on a page.
-File>Print>Option Selection is available as an option.
Details my friend, details.
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
Windows NT has been past that since what ? 1995 ?
the power of kde framework!!
hey guys Kde have a full featured search well integrated to kde and all apps
http://kioclucene.objectis.net/
beagle ? hahahahahha
KDE gets in my way in all the same ways Windows does. This is a Bad
Thing. This has nothing to do with what theme or wm I'm using in KDE,
KDE just seems to be overly grandious about providing a freaking
desktop environment. The KDE menu is also organized very bizarrely
(for someone coming from straight-out AfterStep).
I've been using computers since I was 8, and I started on a VAX where
my father was the sysadmin. I, of all people, should not be
overwhelmed by KDE. Simplify it, folks! KDE is so baroque, it
wouldn't surprise me if it pisses off Windows users, and you've seen
what kind of interfacial abuse they subject themselves to.
There is very little I can't change in gnome in more than five
mouse clicks.
However, one thing that tweaks me about both DEs, still, is that they
go out and clone xterm. Uuh, why? And why make it as ugly and only
slightly more useful than Windows Telnet? I realise that DE's are
supposed to be most helpful for newbies, but *jeeze*, I have to wonder
if anybody stopped for a moment and thought that maybe unleashing
something as garish and stubborn as Windows Telnet on the Linux
community isn't the right thing to do.
It's too bad that this new release of KDE won't address any of these
problems.
Netbooks, they come with Linux or a $3 copy of Windows. Either way, Microsoft loses.
It still seems like nothing is there yet. At home, I run the big 3.. OSX, Windows, and Linux. It may be for a lack of looking, but I still haven't found a desktop manager for linux that really screamed "COOL". So I've settled for fluxbox which is light and functional.
Currently I have to run all three to get everything I want. I love the OSX desktop. As a unix administrator who works from home quite a bit, I rely on linux. It's the swiss army knife of my environment.. (firewall, file server, terminal desktop, etc). And windows, as much as I resent it, I need it around to play my games. And as such, I grudgingly give it the best hardware.
If there were an OS that was based on linux with a desktop like OSX Tiger that (easily) ran windows games / software, I would cash out my 401k and fill my house with boxes running it.
So, to tie it back in with the topic.. KDE just doesn't do anything for me at all.
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How about:
File>Print>Option>text settings and choose print selected text only?
If you can step away from the emotional response you had, you might acknowledge the following:
1. I didn't bash a whole desktop. As my original post states, I use it. It's good for me, but as the Print Selection feature example points out, there are some feature gaps. I tend to think they're pretty boring gaps to fill which is why someone hasn't taken the time to do it. But the gaps narrow their potential user base.
2. As OSS matures, people far more detail oriented than me are evaluating it for adoption on a large scale. So, if KDE is looking for commercial acceptance, then the DE need to be ready for this kind of objective and potentially unflatering review.
3. Look at it as growing pains. Maybe KDE wants commercial acceptance. If they do, they may need to pause and fill in the gaps. That's the way I see it anyway.
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
KDE 3.5 Beta? Sweet! I for one welcome our new desktop Koverlords.
If you had actually cared to investigate, you'd be aware of the fact that KDE actually has the feature you are "missing".
1. Two words: You did!
2. And I quote: "One example of the fundamental difference between OSS and commercial offerings."
Even as a huge KDE fan, I must say that I don't see that option when viewing this page from Konqueror. It *is* there when printing text from kate, but it is on a tab that's only there for text. Furthermore, I would expect it to be near the page selection options on the Copies tab, and not on another tab.
OTOH, I don't think this is important enough to bash KDE on, but that may just be me hardly ever needing such a thing.
I've been using KDE solidly since v3... Konsole is awesome for one reason, tabbed consoles. That's sweet! But over-all, I prefer Eterm. It's light and fast. I installed quite a few fonts that are awesome, with my custom color console text scripts/DIRCOLORS, fonts, random Eterm backgrounds, small size, quick. I love it. It's still lacking tabs *sigh*. But konsole always seemed big and clunky to me.
Now, one thing I'd like to see in the KDE eye candy department, is smaller widgets. Like in Gnome, they have themes with skinny scrollbars. It seems like every KDE theme has big fat buttons and scrollbars. And some of the browser plugins have a tendancy to crash/not work in Konqueror vs Firefox (last time I tried it).... Hmm, that's about the extent of things I can think of to bitch about in KDE. So overall. It's pretty damn sweet. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this proj...
Any hope of being able to sync to a WinCE PDA?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Any live CDs available for a quick look?
I didn't bash a whole desktop.
No, you bashed the entire open-source movement. You said:
One of many basic features that remains unfulfilled.
One example of the fundamental difference between OSS and commercial offerings.
What exactly did you mean by that, if not that OSS was fundamentally incapable of offering basic features?
It seems like every version bump of KDE always comes out before the problems with the previous version ever gets fixed. I have followed KDE for a long time and have never considered the desktop as a reliable, stable program. Instead of continuously creating new bells and whistles with new problems, why don't the KDE folks try and create a reliable, stable program first? Or does that just make too much good sense?
Don't ask what your KDE can do for you.
Ask what YOU can do for your KDE.
Maybe I'm just as lame as a one-legged duck, but would someone please explain why I ought to ditch GnuStep in favor of KDE? Dammit, I have work to do, and none of it involves learning how to futz around with my UI!
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does it run on OSX.
it's also nice to notice that "removing X11 dependancy" from kdebase and kdelibs is on the todo list. this will make it even easier to port kde to windows. (or native mac)
I am running on a 1.7 GHz laptop right now, and it takes less than one second to start up Konsole:Did you actually time the startup of the shell? Even if you did, do you really notice the 0.5 seconds of difference? For myself, KDE's "bloat" actually increases my efficiency, because I can create a new tab in Konsole rather than opening a new shell.
As for the desktop switching... the desktops switch faster than I can click - I tried to use the hotkeys to outrun the system (Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2,
KDE is not inherently slow.
Gnome? Gnome? who's talking about gnome?
... as long as the full title doesn't start with Reichs...