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Eight Charged in Episode III Early Release

ewhac writes "Earlier this year, an advance copy of 'Star Wars: Episode III' was released to the Internet a day before the film's official worldwide opening. Yesterday, the US Attorney handed down charges to the eight people believed responsible. Using forensic markers embedded in the advance-release "screeners," law enforcement were able to track down the leaked copy and the people who came in contact with it. As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office."

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  1. Not exactly.... by Rolan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office.

    More like: "As a result of Episode I and Episode II SUCKING, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office."

    Leave it to hollywood to blame everyone but themselves for a movie not doing as well as they wanted it to.

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    1. Re:Not exactly.... by Radres · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe the submitter was being sarcastic as $380 million is a lot of money to make in spite of the losses suffered from piracy.

    2. Re:Not exactly.... by thepotoo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Hell, 380 million isn't exactly bad.

      IMHO, it's about 300m more than episode III deserved. If Serenity does half as well, we'll be vitually guarenteed of the two sequel movies being made, and of the show comming back.

      BUT, just to play devil advocate... So I was going to go see SW3 and shell out my hard earned cash to Lucas like everone else. But, I stumbled on a fast FTP with a high quality screener to downloaded. As a result, Lucas lost a couple bucks.

      Just goes to show, hollywood may have a point despite what us /.ers say.

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    3. Re:Not exactly.... by interiot · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wikipedia has a list of the worldwide gross for each episode... Revenge of the Sith was the second highest grossing of all of them. So most statements about piracy or suckiness should be said in a sarcastic way, yes.

    4. Re:Not exactly.... by dusik · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> "there very well could have been over 300 million spent in production/marketing/advertising/other overhead"

      Actually, the breakdown is:

      $379 999 999.00: production/marketing/advertising/other overhead
      $1.00: script

    5. Re:Not exactly.... by kcarlin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, the breakdown is:

      $379 999 999.00: production/marketing/advertising/other overhead
      $1.00: script


      They paid for that script?!?

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    6. Re:Not exactly.... by skiflyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is there a barrier to entry on a boycott?

      Or is it that even at their fixed prices enough consumers are willing to pay the fees such that the different industries you mention that your boycott wouldn't have a chance in hell?

      I concur, the prices are obscene for the most part, I wish they'd go down, given current technology there's no reason they shouldn't go down... actually, given technology of the last 50 years they never should've gone up, the entertainment industry has been making people fabulously wealthy for a very long time... arguably rewarding people over and above their hard work. The advantage of filming once and distributing millions of time, or recording once... etc.

      But, the prices are only so obscene because the consumer is willing to pay. If we stop paying, they'll either fold up because they truly cannot operate on those margins (unlikely) or they'll lower prices... fact is, right now, enough people aren't there.

      I'm sure it's been said, or will be shortly, but there is no "right" that you have to the RIAA's brand of pop music and there is no right that you have which entitles you to see Star Wars Episode III for a price you see fit. It's a product, they've set a price, accept it or don't, vote with your money.

      With current technology do we all think we could come up with a better model that would distribute money more fairly, give more people a fair slice of the pie and cost consumers far less? Yes we do, and hopefully with enough time the startups who have done this will catch on and we'll all have new distribution methods, but the old one is still raking in enough cash that it's not going to get out of the way just yet.

    7. Re:Not exactly.... by Radres · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd like to add a corrollary that it's not just through theft that technology is cutting in on entertainment industry profits (and "stabbing them in the eye"), but it is also by lowering the barriers to entry. There is no need for an RIAA when all you have to do to make a record is get $5,000 for studio time, rip the songs to MP3, and set up a web site to distribute the music (or go through iTunes, Napster, or a similar channel). It will be a while still before the independent filmmaker can do the same, although we have seen some very successful independent films in recent years.

    8. Re:Not exactly.... by srw · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Or, boycott, and get enough people to boycott with you and see how the industry reacts,


      Some of us have been doing this for a few years already. How has the industry reacted? They interpret the lower sales (or lower than projected growth) as losses due to "piracy." I have never once heard the RIAA or MPAA suggest that their lower-than-expected growth was even partially to do with people boycotting them and spending their money on independant releases. All I hear from them is how much "piracy" is hurting them.

    9. Re:Not exactly.... by rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It has been my experience that some people are so wrapped up with fixing the problems of the world (whatever they define those problems to be), they forget that the goal of fixing those problems is so people can take joy in life, even in simple, stupid, or trivial things. They seem to have the attitude that until all problems are fixed, nobody anywhere is allowed to actually enjoy their lives.

  2. Wow by KSobby · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't they suffer enough watching the movie?

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  3. Oh poor Hollywood. by baronvonwalz · · Score: 5, Funny

    It ONLY managed to make $380 million dollars....still putting it in the top 10 movies of all time. Now because of those "evil pirates" George Lucas might not be able to build another gigantic animation studio.

  4. In other news... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in. Hollywood legend George Lucas will NOT, I repeat NOT, be able to afford his new gold-plated shark tank this year.

    1. Re:In other news... by Caraig · · Score: 4, Funny

      He'll have to do with the current batch of sharks with frickin'... aw, you know.

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    2. Re:In other news... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Funny

      George Lucas will NOT, I repeat NOT, be able to afford his new gold-plated shark tank this year.

      But then where will his gold-plated sharks live???

  5. Who pays for this? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would like to know who pays for these investigations. There are all kinds of crimes that go uninvestigated but somehow they have time and resources to use James Bond tactics to track down someone that released a movie on the Internet.

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    1. Re:Who pays for this? by AthenianGadfly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it's so much that there are other crimes that aren't investigated... after all, if they only went after the most serious crimes, burglary, arson, and assault would never be investigated because there will always be homicide cases that need more resources. It's even fine with me if the government invests its resources in going after people who infringe copyright. However, if they're going to be involved in this kind of thing, I should be able to expect that the local law enforcement and DA's office will be helping me investigate and charge the next person who infringes the copyright of one of my original songs I recorded in my home studio. It's an old problem: the rich get most things for free from the government (or for the cost of lobbying and campaign contributions), but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. The government shouldn't be able to cherry-pick the cases that they want based on how much money it gets them in campaign contributions or publicity - imagine if your house was broken into and a large amount of valuables stolen, but the police wouldn't come out to look at it because you didn't donate enough to the last election or you weren't in a high enough tax bracket.

    2. Re:Who pays for this? by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear Mr. bigtallmofo (#695287)

      I represent the firm of L. I. Tigious and Associates. This firm is counsel to Danjaq, L.L.C and United Artists Corporation, the co-owners to the exclusive rights to the use of the copyrighted James Bond movies, as well as the widely recognized federally registered trademark and service mark James Bond.

      Danjaq L.L.C. and United Artists Corporation vigorously object to the content you have posted on this web forum. This content constitute direct copyright infringement of the upcoming film "James Bond: Copyprotected", and make you subject to injunction and liable to Danjaq L.L.C. and United Artists Corporation for its damages, costs and attorneys' fees. Pursuant to 17 U.S.C. 501(a), anyone who violates any of the exclusive rights of the copyright owner as provided by sections 106 through 118, or of the author as provided in 106(a), is an infringer of the copyright or right of the author." Danjaq L.L.C. and United Artists Corporation hereby demand that you immediately cease and desist from reproducing, distributing, performing by means of digital audio transmission, displaying, discussing, or in any other way infringing upon their copyrights.

                Danjaq L.L.C. and United Artists Corporation are prepared to pursue all available remedies to protect its intellectual property rights. However, Danjaq L.L.C. and United Artists Corporation will refrain from taking immediate legal action upon condition that you provide written assurances by October 2, 2005, that you have ceased and desisted from reproducing, distributing, performing by means of digital audio transmission, or discussing the copyrighted movie "James Bond: Copyprotected". Your written assurances must also state that you have removed all forum content relating to the unlawful use of the James Bond trademarks or copyrights.

                We await an immediate response from you or your counsel.

                                Sincerely,

                                L. I. Tigious and Associates

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  6. Um... It was still wrong by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office.

    Nice editorializing there. Yeah, the movie made a boatload of money. That does not change the fact that the people who screened the movie violated the agreement under which they received the screener copies.

    Personally, I don't think that the US Attorney should be involved in what amounts to a contract violation. This should really be a civil matter, but it is still wrong.

  7. What is it with US and the word "illegal" by Psionicist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is not a troll or flamebait in disguise, it's an honest question.

    Whenever US mainstream media writes about piracy they use the word "illegal" over and over again. For example, the link in TFS, SFGate writes "illegal release". Same thing with NYTimes, Washington Post etc... "illegal filesharing" this and "illegal piracy" that. Whenever a new release group is shut down the media use these words along with "stolen", "illicit" (you get the idea).

    Why? I live in Sweden. Our mainstream media sure talk about piracy alot, but I have never seen them talk about "illegal" trading etc, even if it is against the law. I have never seen the word "stolen" in the context of piracy either, in Swedish newspapers. Is this something normal for US papers? Do they write about "illegal murder", "illegal robbery" etc too? Or is this just sligtly modified PR?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:What is it with US and the word "illegal" by Lenins_beard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's only "Legal Murder" and "Legal Robbery" if the state's doing it, but we use colorful euphemisms like "Capital Punishment" and "Eminent Domain"

  8. Correct by Solr_Flare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very true. I think the little jab at the end about the early release was uncalled for(although not surprising) but the truth of the matter is these people violated the law.

    This was not a case of simple bootlegging either. For those who never saw a copy of this version, it was an extremely good rip. Once some aspect ratio issues were corrected you pretty much had a DVD quality copy with an exellent stereo sound track.

    I know in my area the bootleg was rather prevelant. Seemed like ever other person had a copy. People who weren't big Star Wars fans or hated the prequels got/bought copies to see it instead of going to the theater. And star wars fans got copies so they could watch it over again in their homes instead of seeing it again in the theaters. All of which I'm sure did in fact impact sales a decent bit.

    Still, this certainly isn't the sole cause of th emovie not meeting expectations, but other slashdotters have already covered that to death.

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  9. Torrent, anyone? by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Funny

    I keed, I keed!

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  10. In an unrelated case.... by vrv1 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Towards the bottom of the article:

    In an unrelated case, Ronald Redding, 37, of Linthicum Heights, Md., was charged Tuesday with giving his copy of "Million Dollar Baby" to a friend. Redding faces a misdemeanor charge of willfully infringing a copyright by distributing the film.

    Does this mean I cant lend a DVD that I buy legally to my friend?

    1. Re:In an unrelated case.... by shark72 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Does this mean I cant lend a DVD that I buy legally to my friend?"

      The way the article was written, I can see why you'd ask, but this version of the article dropped an important word: screener. The AP version of the article is more accurate:

      "Separately, the U.S. Attorney also charged Ronald Redding, 37, of Linthicum Heights, Maryland, with misdemeanor copyright infringement for giving away his "screener" copy of "Million Dollar Baby," which was sent to him for Academy Awards voting. He agreed to plead guilty, the U.S. Attorney said."

      Your rights to loan or resell your regular old DVDs have not been trampled upon.

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  11. Re:Uploading VS Downloading by freshman_a · · Score: 5, Informative


    If not, anyone know why they mostly go for the uploaders and not the downloaders?

    I believe the reasoning is that the ones uploading are the ones copying and distributing said movie, and in turn the ones violating the copyright notice. The copyright notice says something like you can't copy and distribute this material, and downloading a copy isn't really violating that so it's probably easier to win the case against the uploaders.

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  13. At the risk of getting my geek card burned... by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I say "Good!"

    It wasn't their property to broadcast onto the internet. Whether their actions cost the studio $10 million in lost ticket sales or increased the the movie's profits by $10 million is irrelevant.

    These bozos committed theft, pure and simple. Throw the book at 'em.

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  14. Re:Doesn't seem right to me by Durandal64 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. Entrapment involves an agent of the state soliciting that someone commit an illegal act. As an example, the following qualifies as entrapment.

    UNDERCOVER COP: Hey man, you wanna buy some cocaine?
    HAPLESS FOOL: Sure!
    [FOOL gives COP money for cocaine, and COP gives FOOL cocoaine.]
    COP: You're under arrest, fool!

    The cop in the above example was the person who suggested breaking the law, so that qualifies as entrapment. The following, however, does not.

    HAPLESS FOOL: Hey man, can I buy some coke off you?
    UNDERCOVER COP: Sure!
    [FOOL gives COP money for cocaine, and COP gives FOOL cocoaine.]
    COP: You're under arrest, fool!

    The above is not entrapment since it was not the cop who suggested breaking the law. This is how they bust child molesters and kiddie porn peddlers. A police officer can sign on to AOL with a screen name like "13NHORNY", go into a chat room and literally be bombarded with solicitations for kiddie porn and meeting proposals. So they say, "Sure I'll meet you" or "Yeah gimme some porn!", arrange to meet the guy and bust him right there. All while avoiding entrapment because the perverts are the ones approaching them.

  15. Re:None of you get it by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Get it now?" I think so... but $380M is a lot of money! Why are they complaining about it???

  16. Re:None of you get it by MexicanMenace · · Score: 5, Funny

    This must be the first time sarcasm was misinterpreted online ever.

  17. Re:Episode VIII by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's 2019. After George Lucas' death two years ago, the new owners of Lusacsfilm showed less restraint in exploiting the franchise. Next week, the Star Wars channel launches. There's already enough material for 24-hour-a-day marathons for the first month, after which they plan to launch the fall season of Star Wars, including Star Wars: Miami, Star Wars Nights, Star Wars: Las Vegas, and Everybody Hates Darth.

    In other news, Microsoft's Linux distro has taken over about 60% of the desktop market, and the Sony Apple is taking living room entertainment centers by storm. This year's hot music item is the iPod Nanite (it's implanted in your ear). The fifth round of browser wars have heated up, though, with Operavigator trying to break SafariFox's stranglehold over the web.

    The big rumor, of course, is that BSD is dying.