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Pepping Up Windows

PhairOh writes "Toms Hardware has an article about improving Windows with free and Open Source Software. It features everything from the obvious like Gimp and OpenOffice and also some interesting choices like Virtuawin. From the article: 'The average Windows user tends to be less than satisfied with Windows. And that's no surprise, either, given the rather woeful state of its default applications.'"

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  1. WinDir by schnits0r · · Score: 5, Informative

    I like WinDir Stat. It gives a nice colourful representation of your disk usage by directory and by file allowing you to see ther really big files on your system like .Vob, or clusters of really small ones like .jpg.

    It's really a fun little thing to look at and use.

    IS this an on topic first post?

    1. Re:WinDir by Frederic54 · · Score: 4, Informative

      SpaceMonger is a pretty nice application for this too, take a look at a screenshot

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    2. Re:WinDir by BigDogCH · · Score: 2, Informative

      Win Dir seems nice, but I seem to be using HiJackThis more than any others. Windows really should have shipped with it. :)

      On an offtopic note, does anyone have any decent tools for removing the latest wave of homepage hijackers? Not CWS varients. I have about 3-4 calls for next week, and none of them are a CWS varient, and I don't feel like manually removing anything.

    3. Re:WinDir by Narcissus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I dunno guys... I still prefer JDiskReport. Admittedly it's not open source but it is freeware.

      Either way this form of application is a lifesaver. I couldn't even begin to count how many times it's helped me find some weird temp file that got dumped somewhere and is now taking up a few hundred meg...

    4. Re:WinDir by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Informative

      IS this an on topic first post?

      I hope it's on topic. I rely heavily on folks like you to tell me what software they find indespensible so I don't have to wade through as much crap to find the gems. I think that's what this article is all about.

      Before this, my best source of open source on Windows was TheOpenCD. There's quite a bit of overlap with the Tom's Hardware article and I highly recommend it as a way to get many of these gems all in one place.

      TW

    5. Re:WinDir by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to pimp my own site too much, but the entire site is dedicated to free tools to improve Windows. It includes many of the tools just listed here. nedwolf.com

  2. Talking out both sides of out mouths. by XorNand · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The average Windows user tends to be less than satisfied with Windows. And that's no surprise, either, given the rather woeful state of its default applications. Consider that both Wordpad and Notepad refuse to open larger files, the integrated audio recorder limits recordings to 60 seconds, and Paint, the integrated graphics program, offers only the most rudimentary of features. Worse still, Internet Explorer can neither be considered modern nor safe for browsing, while Outlook Express is known for its affinity for contracting any number of worms and viruses. In short, the out-of-the-box Windows configuration is usually outdated and problem laden.
    Ummm.. I'm a bit confused here? When MS started trying to make the OS everything to everyone, they were accused of predatory behavior and taken to court numerous times. Now we're complaining that MS Paint isn't powerful enough for graphics editing and that Windows Audio Recorder doesn't hold a candle to other third-party utils?

    It's one thing to point out some nifty FOSS apps to people that may not have heard of them. It's an entirely another thing to jump on the anti-MS bandwagon and claim that this functionality should have been included in the OS.
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    1. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by JPriest · · Score: 5, Funny

      You my friend must leave Slashdot right this minute! We won't have your logic or reasoning getting in our way.

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    2. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by ZakuSage · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the big thing is that MS doesn't offer anything but MS software in their OS. If they were to give you the option of installing VLC and Windows Media Player, MSPaint and GIMP, or even Internet Explorer and Firefox (many would love the ability to REMOVE IE, but that's another point) then there wouldn't be so much of a problem. That's basically the reason you don't hear people complaining that Ubuntu Linux comes pre-installed with Firefox and not Konqueror, Galeon, (or what have you), since they're not Ubuntu's products.

    3. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yea, in many people's minds MS just immutably damned... what they actually do or don't do doesn't really affect their damnation.

      Maybe they could make everyone happy by dropping their half-assed small apps and supporting some FOSS apps in Windows by default. It would be awesome to install Windows 2000 or XP and have the option to install GIMP, VLC, Crimson Editor, a better console, and a decent FTP client preloaded. OpenOffice would be nice too, but since MS-Office is big business, I could understand that being left out.

      Actually, some of those small apps still do have roles... for instance, Paint vs. Gimp. Paint is perhaps 1% of Gimp, but Paint also opens almost instantly, and is perfect for dumping printscreens or copied bit of graphics (if only it had better save options). Notepad is similarly useful for dropping bits of text for later use, without firing up a larger, slower, ram-eating word processor. I don't really use either as an application to do work in, but I use them incessantly as buffers between other applications or documents.

      They're sort of like pockets. My pockets don't get any work done for me, but if I'm out in the shed to find some bolts I need for the car, I can cram the bolts in my pockets, walk out front to the car, and proceed to completely mangle the car since I'm an awful mechanic. The pockets got the bolts there so I wouldn't need to take the car directly to them.

    4. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by olman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe they could make everyone happy by dropping their half-assed small apps and supporting some FOSS apps in Windows by default. It would be awesome to install Windows 2000 or XP and have the option to install GIMP, VLC, Crimson Editor, a better console, and a decent FTP client preloaded. OpenOffice would be nice too, but since MS-Office is big business, I could understand that being left out.

      You know, if they did that, everyone would hate Microsoft for cashing in on the voluntary work of OSS guys..

    5. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative
      I should have clarified... I'm a 100% pure-bred command-line guy. And it seems like the only decent Windows tools there are unix-ports.

      But yeah, on the wider Windows stuff, it comes from the wider open source community, and isn't Linux only (eg. things like Inkscape, Ethereal, Orbiter, Celestia, Blender, ...). They're all stand-outs, and they'll all either still be here with us in 20 years, or some better open-source software will have surpassed them.

    6. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by dirty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because when Firefox crashes people will send the bug reports to Microsoft. There is no incentive for Microsoft to bundle Firefox, and a very real cost if they do. It just doesn't make sense.

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    7. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by manifoldronin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is, you can't draw a clear line between a "plain simple" application and a "much more advanced" one (and now throw in "major"), and hence between "what Microsoft doesn't have to offer option for" and "what Microsoft should." Besides, regardles of the complexity of the applications, it's just not fair to _force_ Microsoft to list particular 3rd party packages in the installation of their _operation system_. I don't see people asking Linux distro builders to include every "major" browsers in their distro. Windows allows a user to uninstall and install things as she likes (except uninstalling IE maybe but at least it doesn't prevent installing other browsers), I think that's as far as Microsoft's responsibility needs to go.

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    8. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by geekwithsoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe it is a two-fold problem that people have with Microsoft.

      1. They don't need to include all the programs that they do

      2. The programs they do include are crap

      The only real solution MS could move to is a plug-in model. Have a base OS that can be added to, as a user needs, with programs that not only integrate with the OS, but with other "plug-ins." But for that they'd either have to spend 5 years de-tangling their spaghetti code or just start over from scratch. In other words, it will never happen.

    9. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by wvitXpert · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To me there are arguments for both sides. I don't like the idea of MS putting everyone out of buisness because they include every possible app with windows. But I also would like to have a functional, usefull computer without having to install a hundred different programs. I mean, an argument can be made that MS should only ship the core of the OS since there are other options out there for almost every component of Windows, but I wouldn't want to pay for that.

  3. My Brother, The Windows Fanboy by geomon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My older brother is a 100% MS man. He spend about half of our visits together telling me how I have wasted the last 10 years working with Linux. On one of his last visits he saw me switching virtual windows in X and thought that looked like a cool app. I searched the web and Virtuawin. When he came over I installed it on his laptop and he has reported that his productivity has increased. I don't know what he is using for a metric, but he likes the idea of switching windows to applications that aren't buried behind muliple instances of IE.

    I guess there are still some ways that *NIX can influence Microsoft, but at this point everyone is using and recycling each other ideas. Few companies are actually building new and interesting interfaces.

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  4. how many people actually _like_ windows? by tjr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I get the impression that there are more users who actually _like_ (not just put up with) Mac OS X (or maybe even GNU/Linux) than there are who actually _like_ (not just put up with) Windows. Anyone here actually like Windows? I'm not trolling, just want to know. If you do, what do you like about it?

    1. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by geomon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would guess that familiarity is one of the keys. My brother likes Windows because he can always count on an app looking somewhat like all the other Windows apps. That may or may not be true, but the impression is what counts for him. He also likes how everything installs relatively easily. All he has to do is download a program, click on the icon, and it is installed. He tried the copy of SuSE I gave him but was overwhelmed when he started getting messages about broken dependencies. I am not bothered by them, but he found the whole experience frustrating.

      I know there is yum and apt, but my brother (and I assume this is true for people like him as well) has been using Windows for so many years that moving to another platform is equivalent to losing a pet animal: It is something he is just unprepared to consider.

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    2. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by j3tt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do. I play a lot of games on it. I do tinker with Linux because I'm always fascinated about learning "other" things. Frankly, I do not understand why folks "fight" over this. If somebody is happy and contented with what they are using then leave them be. If you are able to present an alternative that they eventually like and use then great.

    3. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by mblase · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyone here actually like Windows? I'm not trolling, just want to know. If you do, what do you like about it?

      Nine out of ten Slashdotters surveyed answered "a second mouse button."

    4. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Rinnt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Though I can't say I care much for windows, I did know an admin that seemed to be a huge fan. Unaware of this fact, I called him one day to spread the exciting news about OpenOffice (I had just found out and wanted to let others know about this $$ saving alternative). He cut me short and said "I don't care for open source - we only do Microsoft here". That was pretty shocking to me since I'd never actually encounted someone *seriously* devoted to Microsoft. Then again, in retrospect, maybe those that "love" Microsoft simply fear the unknown of OSS...

    5. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These days I find that different Windows apps are beginning to look nothing alike. You have renegades like WinAmp, with their godawful themes. Then there is the removal of the toolbar in the upcoming release of Office. Of course there's also Mozilla-based software with its themes. And software like GAIM, which can use various GTK+ themes.

      At least with most X11 toolkits you can go with a fairly standard Motif theme, if you really want consistency.

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    6. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by tjr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree.

      As much as I like Unix-style systems, they aren't for everybody. I think we all need to be less of a [platform-x] advocate and more of a [platform-thats-really-best-for-the-particular-use r] advocate.

      To a lot of people, not having to even think about compatibility issues. They aren't "computer people", they just need to use this computer as a tool. They might not even like computers. For those people, as long as Windows is dominant, Windows may be their best choice. They don't want to use Linux. They don't care. They don't even care that it exists. I think that Mac OS would be better for them as far as usability goes, but not for compatibility, which, for them, is likely more important.

      I don't like spending a lot of time with a washing machine; if the one I have works, and accepts the detergents I can buy at the store, then it's fine with me... although some clothes-cleaning experts may be more picky. :-)

    7. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by geomon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These days I find that different Windows apps are beginning to look nothing alike.

      It is funny that you had that observation because I was thinking the same thing when I was writing my post. I noticed that my brother and his circle of friends will often *avoid* apps that do not have the same theme/look as other Windows apps. They are completely locked in to the way Microsoft presents options to them.

      If Vista breaks too much with the original thematic concept from the Win9X desktop (by brother and his friends opt for the Windows "Classic" theme), then he might refuse to upgrade.

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    8. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Tezkah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like Windows. I like the fact it is able to do suspend/hibernate/resume on my laptop without crashing, and it is able to use my graphics card drivers to make the smooth scrolling in Opera extremely smooth, and I didn't have to compile/reinstall the kernel in order to GET these graphics drivers.

      I like the third party software, last time I was on a Mac there was absolutely no way to use videoconferencing with the three major IM platforms (Thats changed since iChat A/V came out, but is there anything available for Linux?).

      I like that I can run Photoshop, and use a familiar interface that I can theme to my hearts content. I'm also able to run Free Software like Firefox (meshes best with Windows, IMO), GAIM, and others from even this article, but still have a healthy set of closed source apps when FOSS apps aren't able to match them (still haven't found a replacement for Office Outlook 2003).

      Basically, Windows works for me right now. I enjoy using my computer with Windows on it. I'm sure I'd enjoy having a Mac (waiting for the x86 Powerbooks), and I have run Linux, but right now Windows is the best fit.

    9. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by tjr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And that's a big part of it for a lot of people. Gaming is one of the primary uses for home computers, and frankly, neither OS X nor GNU/Linux offer enough games of the sort that the users actually want.

      Windows itself isn't actually better in this regard (the operating system isn't necessarily better for gaming), but the net effect of its popularity is that more games are written for it.

      I myself am not an avid gamer; I still play my Sega Genesis every now and then, and some freeware arcade games on my Mac. I spend most of my home computer time working with digital photography, writing, web browsing, and programming, all of which work great on a Mac. If I were an avid gamer, then a Mac probably wouldn't cut it for me.

    10. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Kaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyone here actually like Windows? I'm not trolling, just want to know. If you do, what do you like about it?

      It runs software (from Photoshop to World of Warcraft) that I want to run and does it on generic hardware.

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    11. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by mrcdeckard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      you know, i was actually pretty impressed when i finally gave up win98 and booted winXP. "microsoft got it right," i thought.

      this lasted until i got a dvd drive/burner. dvd functionality in winxp is null -- then i put os X on my mac and now the win XP box gathers dust while the other 3 os x machines are the ones that get used. the bundled apps with os x are very cool (without trying to "dominate" the market). (for an extra bonus, dig through the applications directory in the osx10.4 dev folder. some real gems in there.)

      so yeah, i LIKE to us os x, while i use winXP when i HAVE to (usually when i'm cleaning malware off my friends computers).

      maybe vista will "catch up", and perhaps even be better than os x, but to do that, it'll have to be an exceptional experience indeed.

      mr c

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    12. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by JoshDanziger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I like windows. There.. I said it. Will anyone on /. actually continue to read my comment? Only time will tell....

      And it's not just because I'm an MS fanboy either. It's a good operating system.

      1. It's stable. It has gone BSOD on me a few times, and that was because I had a bad HP print driver that was bringing it down. I never feel a need to reboot it because its "getting sluggish". The programs that crash on my PC most frequently are Mozilla Firefox followed by Microsoft Outlook. In fact, I prefer when Outlook Crashes. It just restarts and repairs itself and I pick up where I left off. When FF crashes, I usually lose 10-20 tabs that I was looking at and will never recover.

      2. The software is good. Despite /. popular opinion, MS Office is good software. I tried using OpenOffice once, and it was just as good. But the Mail Merge interface sucked, and that was an important feature for me.

      3. It's faster. My 1.8ghz Celeron laptop with 192MB of ram runs Windows 100x better than Linux. Fedora Core takes significantly longer to start up and feels more sluggish when running applications (I use gnome, the FC default environment).

      4. Easier to install applications. I think that's a given. Linux needs a better package installation system, period. Yum and apt are good, but they don't hold a candle. Windows' automatic updates are far superior to RHN

      5. Configuration Utilities. They're just better in Windows. Period. The closest that I've ever had to get to a command line for Windows Administration is the "ipconfig" utility. Windows doesn't have nasty configuration files. I've only HAD to enter the registry to fix something (which is nasty) once.

        Even when there is a GUI configuration tool in Linux, I have a hard time finding it in FC. There are at least two different interfaces to configure network adapters, but only one of those two interfaces can start/stop the network card. It just doesn't make sense.

      As a disclaimer, I am not a sheltered Windows fanboy who has only ever tried Linux out for 5 minutes. I do all my my development for CS classes in Linux, and I am no stranger to the command line. I *do* run Linux on my laptop, but the most common way for me to interact with it is by running an X server on my windows machine and an ssh connection to the laptop.

      I am convinced that Open Source development is a superior model, but I am not convinced that Linux is a superior system simply because it is an open source OS. At least not on the desktop.

    13. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why Windows?

      Note that I'm not trying to convince you to use Linux, but I do want to correct some things:

      - hibernate works.

      Works fine on most laptops running Linux as well, though if you want to use the BIOS-driven hibernation, you may have to create the hibernate file from Windows. Personally, I really like the new Linux software suspend, in which the Linux kernel does the hibernation. It's faster and more flexible (including working on machines that don't have hibernation support). It's not, at present, easy to set up, though.

      - sleep works.

      Interestingly, in my experience, this actually works *better* with Linux than with Windows. My colleagues running Windows don't use sleep mode much, because our machines (various Thinkpad T40 series laptops) sometimes don't wake up. So they all shut down their OS. With Linux, I just close the lid, and have done so with several generations of laptops.

      - laptop undock works.

      Having never seen the point of docking stations, I can't comment here.

      - wireless automatic network connection/disconnection/hunting works.

      I think there are tools that solve this, but I can't really comment because I just use the command-line tools and script things to work the way I want them to. You may have a point here, I'm not sure.

      - windows automatically searches for new network parameters when waking up on a foreign network.

      You mean like DCHP? So does Linux. Actually, there are some nifty tools on Linux that will attempt to guess how to configure the network interface even when DHCP doesn't work.

      - changing display resolution doesn't require a logout/login.

      Doesn't on Linux any more, either. Changing color depth still does, though.

      - my iPod works.

      I don't have an iPod, but this claims to work on Linux.

      - I can read the unfixated CDRs that my Sony camera produces.

      I don't have a camera that does that, so I can't really comment. That said, I would be very, very surprised if Linux couldn't deal with that as well.

      - I can use IE to view those few sites/use those web apps that require it and use firefox for everything else.

      Yeah, those sites suck. I run IE under WINE on my Linux box to deal with that. Works fine, even though I mutter through my teeth every time I'm forced to do it.

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    14. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Politburo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having never seen the point of docking stations, I can't comment here.

      Are you high? A caveman can see the point of a docking station. It's a simple concept: when in the office, dock the laptop and use a traditional monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb, network, speakers -- anything. No hooking up a hundred different cables each time you come into work: just drop it in the dock. When it's time to go on-site, pop off the dock and go.

  5. Virtuawin not necessary by jshaped · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS already has a power toy for multiple desktops.
    I've been using it for awhile, it works pretty well.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/power toys/xppowertoys.mspx

    1. Re:Virtuawin not necessary by Zach978 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I find that MS one to be pretty buggy. It will resize my windows everytime I switch desktops. It even creates a lot of little graphics bugs when I switch. Havne't tried Virtuawin, but I'm going to becuase of those issues.

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  6. Cygwin and Emacs by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've installed Cygwin and Emacs to my Windows install at work. I was looking for some sort of grep functionality a while back and decided Cygwin was the way to go since I also get a BASH shell and piping, too. I also installed emacs a long time ago. It's the Emacs for Windows, not the one for Cygwin. Both of those have increased my productivity tremendously without needed to install a full-blown Linux distro on the box.

  7. Transformation through OSS by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget UnixTools, GVim, Password Safe, Paint .NET, Cruise Control, Subversion the list goes on to infinity.
    This is a bitter-sweet pill. It's great that OSS is making the Windows platform so rich, it bad that it's creating inertia to change platform entirely.

    I'd have switched to Linux a long time ago if the application stack for Windows hadn't been so greatly improved
    by the army of budding OSS developers. Progress is being made though. I'll never use Microsoft Office again now that
    I've fallen in love with Open Office 2.0.

    It's no so much Open Office that made my mind up, it's the fact that we've got OpenDocument. OpenDocument is far more important that anyone really realises right now.
    Why is it important? Well, I used to work for a company that wanted a web based way of doing sales quotes. The problem is that you need a nice document at the end where they can enter a bunch of text so that it feels tailored to that particular contract.

    With Word this involved a bunch of mailmerging with the horrible Telemagic database with a bunch of Macros to create the document. With OpenDocument I can generate the base document itself from the database using any language of my choice. I can even add my own XML namespace so I can denote sections of the document that
    were generated automatically and those that were added by the user.

    The power of OpenDocument is not just in the ability to switch Office suites although that is obviously nice. It's in the ability for application developers to author and manipulate documents in powerful ways that simply aren't possible with macros or mail-merges.

    OSS, through it's openness, is threatening to transform computing just like the PC transformed business. It's fucking awesome.

    Simon.

    1. Re:Transformation through OSS by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It's great that OSS is making the Windows platform so rich, it bad that it's creating inertia to change platform entirely."

      Then the platform is not worth changing. I use Windows at work an Linux on most of my home machines (minus the wife's computer and the TV box). I've got to say that from a stability perspective, there's not much different between the two anymore. (I'd still LOVE to have a kill -9 for Windows.) I prefer Linux. I use it at home. It just doesn't run all the apps I need it to for work (financial software for example is SEVERELY lacking). Windows is good enough that if I can get the OSS and free-as-in-beer apps along with it, that's fine by me. Apparently that's also fine with most other people.

  8. My suggestions: by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Media Player Classic (open source). Who needs WMP anyway? :)
    IrfanView (freeware) for image browsing and very basic manipulation, like gamma correction or applying photoshop filters

    1. Re:My suggestions: by skryche · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well put. These are two programs the average user would actually use. Cygwin? If I put that on my mom's computer, she'd probably hit me.

  9. I'm fine... by utnow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Notepad serves me just fine. Paint is crap. Wordpad works fine as well.

    Windows gives alot of room for 3rd party developers to make money off of the lack of default applications. There's room for improvement and so people make those improvements and then are able to earn a living off of it. If the OS were to come with 4 copies of every imaginable type of software it would come on too many discs, be bloated, and leave no room for a developer to make money from their work. Yay linux! Reducing the software developer to a novelty act for decades.

  10. Speed reading by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone besides me read that the first time through as Peeping Up Windows?

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  11. You can't have it both ways by antarctican · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoa wait a minute here....

    They're less statisfied because of the woeful default applications, unlike Linux you have to buy/download all your additional tools.

    However when Microsoft tries to bundle things with the OS to solve this problem (think IE), they're demonized for being a monopoly and trying to leverage their OS to cut out the competition.

    So which is it? Do we want an all-in-one OS and application suite or do we want a distinct separation of the OS from it's applications to prevent abuse.

    I am NOT defending MS. I'm personally on the side that they're exploiting a monopoly. However this means you can't expect everything to "be there" when you're finished installing Windows.

    Just a random ponder.... I wonder when M$ or others will accuse SuSE or RH of trying to stiffle the competition by bundling apps with the OS.

    </devil's advocate>

    1. Re:You can't have it both ways by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful
      They're less statisfied because of the woeful default applications, unlike Linux you have to buy/download all your additional tools.

      However when Microsoft tries to bundle things with the OS to solve this problem (think IE), they're demonized for being a monopoly and trying to leverage their OS to cut out the competition.

      This is true, to an extent. There are people who think Microsoft shouldn't bundle apps, and there are people who think that they should. However, bundling applications is just one of the issues that cause people to claim Microsoft is abusing a monopoly.

      It's not just the fact that they bundle their own applications. It's that they:

      • refuse to bundle anyone else's application under any circumstances. The fact that IE comes pre-installed, and Firefox doesn't, provides a big advantage for IE.
      • make it impossible for you to remove their applications (at least in any supported way).
      • refuse to document the APIs that their own apps use, thereby allowing their own applications greater integration with the OS than other developers are capable of doing.
      • are suspected of purposefully sabotaging other applications by making changes to their undocumented APIs, file formats, and protocols.
      Perhaps there are other concerns too.There are some that believe Microsoft should either cease bundling their own applications or start bundling alternatives as well, providing an option for users. I can see why people would want this, but I can also see a valid objection from Microsoft that if they bundle 3rd party applications, Microsoft would then have to provide support for products that they don't control. I don't think it would kill them, though, to throw a copy of Firefox on and put a disclaimer that it won't be supported by Microsoft.

      Either way, I suspect that if Microsoft provided a means of uninstalling their applications (or not installing them in the first place), just like any other program, and documented all their APIs, protocols, and file formats, then a lot of the criticism would go away.

  12. One word by wumpus188 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... PuTTY

  13. Anyone else use sDesk? by crownrai · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Tomasek http://www.tomasek.cz/stary_soft/sdesk/ version not the newer one from Bresner.

    It works amazingly fast and supports sticky windows, draging windows from one desktop to another, dekstop names, any number of virtual windows, short cut keys for any window. Lots of features than I have not seen in any other pager for Windows.

  14. Paint.NET by Eslyjah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rather than messing with the GIMP on Windows, I prefer to use Paint.NET for my light graphics needs. It's not as powerful as Photoshop or the GIMP, but it is quite nice and available under an MIT license.

  15. Re:Cygwin in general... by Radice+Utente · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...rocks! It includes an SSH client which combined with the X server provides all the terminal emulation you need. The X interface and handling of clipboard data is spotty, but usable.

    If you want a dedicated terminal emulator replacemet for the truly sorry Windows telnet and HyperTerminal programs, Simon Tatham's PuTTY is an excellent choice. It also includes a solid scp (secure copy/ftp) client.

    Cygwin in particular is what keeps me from chucking the whole thing and running Linux. I get all the command line scripting and Unix-like tools without the bother of having to figure out how to make my employer's mail client work on Linux.

  16. Are you sure? by delta_avi_delta · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I know this isn't going to go down well in our little world here, but I contest

    The average Windows user tends to be less than satisfied with Windows.

    At the very least I'd like to see compelling evidence supporting the statement. "The average user" is probably frustrated with computing in general, "the average user" hasn't tried any other operating system, and in my experience, when "the average user" tries another platform, the initial frustration spike caused by evertyhing being slightly different, is enough to see them run back to suckle at the Microsoft's corporate teat.

    I sometimes feel I'm in a silent majority here, who actually acknowledges that all their average user friends except the arty kid, not only user windows, but haven't even considered anything else.
  17. Re:Another delusional zealiot by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Funny

    the majority of windows users are perfectly content

    The majority of Windows users don't know any better.

    Hell, that's Microsoft's business model.

  18. Integration versus Bundling, Choice by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When MS started trying to make the OS everything to everyone, they were accused of predatory behavior and taken to court numerous times. Now we're complaining that MS Paint isn't powerful enough for graphics editing and that Windows Audio Recorder doesn't hold a candle to other third-party utils?


    Bingo. But the topic becomes integration versus bundling. There is nothing wrong with providing a tool, such as including a web browser, chat program, mail program, graphics program, word processor or so on.

    The link is not between the operating system and the applications, but the act of choice.

    The key to Linux is that inserting a CD doesn't give you every tool you could want, but rather you need to tell it what you want by selecting "hey- I need productivity tools" and clicking it. You need to go "hey I need to dialup to the Internet" and install modem and PPP tools.

    Contrast that to windows XP that offers _NO_ choice to software installed. If you think there is choice, you're thinking of Windows 2000 or 98 where they let you check off whether you wanted media player and outlook express (be it that it may only hide them, it still does the same end effect for the user). Windows XP installs do not prompt for software inclusion (maybe if you start tweaking INF files...).

    Media player just shows up as the default media player and takes over associations from time to time. IE pops up for a Web URL and has an icon on the desktop by default. An install of XP doesn't give the user a choice to say "you know what- FireFox is the browser for me. no thank you " and then install FireFox. It doesn't give you the option to decline installing media player. Sure you could go through a nest of confusing (to a new user) menus for Start | Settings | Control Panel | Add/remove components | system components | media tools followed by a very full dialog of information.

    Given that, there is a degree of tools that are necessary and don't really compete with their counterparts. Notepad is a good example, as well as calculator. These are handy tools that don't mean a lot, and if you do need a powerful solution, you'll get UltraEdit or similar. These are arguably a part of the O/S that may or may not need removing.

    So where am I getting at? The key reason why Microsoft got in trouble was it's INTEGRATION (IE as a part of the OS) and LACK OF CHOICE (media player installed by default) and not the fact that it was bundled on the CD. It's that no matter what a user thinks, IE is installed. That no matter what you say, you're getting a copy of media player that will always come up from time to time. That the user is not INFORMED that "hey- I have the option to install media player... maybe there are better/other players out there I should research and find something that is faster".

    -M
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    when you see the word 'Linux', drink!
    1. Re:Integration versus Bundling, Choice by NatteringNabob · · Score: 2

      I'd mod this up if I had points. butI'm fresh out today. And it's worth pointing out that Microsoft only bundles half way decent apps when they wish to use their platform monopoly to extinsguish some competitor that might someday threaten that monopoly. MS bundled IE because they didn't want Netscape to become the development platform rendering Windows irrelevant. The bundled a broken Java for the same reason. They bundle a media player for a similar reason. If the product doesn't threaten the Windows monopoly, or even better, helps extend it by offering a solution that doesn't run on anything else, MS is perfectly happy to ship nothing, or total crap in that space.

    2. Re:Integration versus Bundling, Choice by bearxor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just love this argument. I think it's the bestest argument in the whole wide world. Once we get Microsoft to include competitors apps with their operating system, we should then move on to the following:

      Coca-Cola must include one can of Pepsi for every purchase, Pepsi must likewise do the same. After all, you never know if someone will like one over the other unless you give them the chance to choose.

      For every XBox 360 sold, Microsoft must include a PS3 and Nintendo Revolution. After all, you never know if someone would like one over the other unless you give them the chance to choose.

      You get the idea of how ridiculous it sounds to tell a company to bundle it's competitors product in their package.

      I know this argument is like the heralding trumpet of the OSS/Mac crowd, but I think it just sounds retarded.

    3. Re:Integration versus Bundling, Choice by aaronl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, did you actually *read* the GP? It did not propose to make MS included competing applications. It said that MS gives you no control over the applications that get installed. You can't choose to not have WMP, IE, or anything else, installed with the OS. With each release of Windows, MS gave you less and less choice over what gets installed on the computer. You have to let it install everything, and then uninstall what you don't want. Then if you want to get rid of the rest of what you don't want, you have to jump through flaming hoops. You get to mess around with "system file protection" to get rid of the remainder of OE, you *can't* get rid of IE, etc.

      Not to mention that your comparisons are completely invalid. Including a bunch of physical things when you buy something is quite different than throwing a few extra things on a CD. As in the former costs a lot of money and the latter costs no money, unless you have to pay licensing fees. Damn, try to make a *little* sense at least.

    4. Re:Integration versus Bundling, Choice by aaronl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, those comparisions are NOT valid. One costs the company money to produce, the other does not. One is physical, the other is not. They are related only in that both are products that someone else came up with. It would cost Microsoft nothing additional to put Firefox on their Windows CDs over what they pay to make the CDs right now. It would cost Microsoft hundreds of dollars per unit to ship a PS3 and a Nintendo with each XBox. How can you say the two are comparable? The comparison would be valid if Playstations and Nintendos were free, had no weight, and took up no physical space in the packaging.

      The "copyright infringment is ok" argument comes from people that are trying to rationalise that they aren't doing anything wrong; they are incorrect and they know it.

      I was complaining about how MS goes out of their way to make it exceeding difficult to *not* have their software installed on your computer, set to be used by default, and hooked into the OS so that all Windows functions must use it. I was informing you that the GP *also* was saying that, and not what you decided that s/he said.

      Ultimately, the reason that computer users are "stupid" is because so many of them try quite hard to not learn anything. To do a real world comparision, the way most computer users are is like having the same problem with your car every week, being capable of fixing it in two or three minutes for free, but having to get a mechanic to come and fix it because you never learn the procedure to fix it, even though he tells it to you every time. You can tell someone how to stop a computer from screwing up, how to install a USB device, how to duplex a print job, etc, but a lot of them will never bother to actually learn it.

      Providing choice does not equate to the same problem. When I install Linux, I can typically choose between a few programs that do the same thing, right off from the installer. That's not as important as the fact that I can choose to have *no* web browser, from the installer. That is what we were saying to you, and that is the larger problem. Microsoft *doesn't* let you pick the "no program" option anymore.

  19. Microsoft's Virtual Desktop Manager is a bad app by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft's Virtual Desktop Manager is not a powerful application.

    Most of us looking for multiple desktops probably come from the Linux desktop world, and want many of those features: Keyboard navigation, edge flipping, an easy way to move application windows between virtual desktops and sticky windows.

    Microsoft's Virtual Desktop Manager does none of this. In addition, it's pretty buggy-- switching between virtual desktops can leave many artificts on the screen, the toolbar for each virtual desktop may actually list applications from another virtual desktop and the toolbar may lose the toolbar icon for items on your current desktop.

    And Microsoft hasn't really updated any of the features of this application in 3 years.

    VirtuaWin is a pretty good app, and has most of the features listed above. In addition, there are dozens modules to add various features.

      It's a little confusing to configure.

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    "Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
  20. Couple programs I like by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pcalc - A very nice calculator with no stupid number buttons to get in the way. For when you don't need something complex that can do graphs and animations.

    TClockEx - A nice little desktop utility that lets you configure the format of the system tray clock any way you want. (Note: Does not look good in XP unless you use the classic theme)

  21. TheOpenCD by LumpyCartman · · Score: 2, Informative

    TheOpenCD has a nice collection also

  22. Virtual Desktop options by gregoryb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never used Virtuawin, but I have been using Virtual Dimension and have been really impressed with it. It integrates almost seamlessly with windows and is decently configurable. Another option to consider if (like me) you feel hindered without virtual desktops.

  23. Linux Version by Dlugar · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought WinDirStat looked cool so I checked it out, and lo and behold it's based on a similar Linux (KDE) application: kdirstat. Downloaded it just now ... very cool.

    Dlugar

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    1. Re:Linux Version by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also check out Konqueror's "File Size View". It provides a graphical view of space used where files and folders are represented as nested boxes, with the size of the box proportional to the amount of storage consumed. A folder that consumes 50% of the space will cover 50% of the Konq window.

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  24. I am by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm just one datapoint, but I sure hated Windows. I knew it, and I used it for ages, but I also fought it and struggled with it, watched it trash my data, fill my hard disk with clutter, cover my desktop with pop-up windows and spyware.

    I tried Linux for half a year, really tried to like it. Ended up with a Mac, and now I like using a computer again.

    Heh, and Windows is even worse once you've used OS X.

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    He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
  25. GNUWINII & The Open CD by Chonine · · Score: 2, Informative
    http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/ and http://www.theopencd.org/ respectively. Two very great collections of software for windows users to open up to the world of open source. The former is much more comprehensive. It includes a bunch of the programs mentioned in the article, although the article refers to some that I've never heard of. Those CDs are getting a bit stale, but Windows FOSS in general is not.

    In addition to all the lovely foss for windows, the only closed source program I ever recommend is nLiteXP . You basically copy your XP disc to a directory, and then sick nLite on it. It extracts the cabs and can really neuter it (Highly customizable with a slick GUI) and you can get your default XP install from ~2GB down to 400MB highly usable. Less if you wanted. nLite will make a new iso file that can be customized for auto install and service pack slipstreaming and driver install, all sorts of nifty things. You burn that and install.

    So basically, you can have 350MB of core windows XP and another 500MB of the best FOSS for windows. A highly capable and speedy efficient XP box, its a great option for a lot of older hardware. I was doing this two years ago after getting fed up with closed and crappy apps, and then realized I might as well go all the way and use linux, so its a good intro to people who are curious about what open source offers. A lot of people were cautious about bringing free stuff to a closed platform, but I think it can only be good, as it increases awareness and may spur a platform switch like me. Also, not spreading freedom into an area where there lacks freedom sounds a lot like not donating food to an area that is starving. Neither will get people to move to linux/out of the third world.

  26. PuTTY by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not mentioned: the PuTTY terminal emulator and ssh client, which lets you connect from your Windows box to some other system and so get some work done...

    It also includes an scp implementation so you can securely transfer files between your Windows system and Unix boxes.

    (Perhaps a niche market, but XKeymacs is useful for Emacs junkies stuck with Windows applications... there's also the Windows ports of GNU Emacs and XEmacs of course.)

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  27. Other nice tool by Nanoda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let me add yet another recommendation - I really like Steffen Gerlach's (free) Scanner. It shows disk useage as a simple pie-graph, and lets you drill down to directories, delete stuff, open an explorer window, etc.
    I'm quite impressed with it anyways, and it comes with source if you're into that.

  28. Mac Equivalent: WhatSize by Grincho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mac equivalents include WhatSize (free), OmniDiskSweeper (commercial and no reason to buy it, as WhatSize clones it completely), and even the Finder.

  29. Linux: It Just Isn't Where Windows Is. by xdroop · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Hey, I used Linux on this laptop for six months. I used Linux on this laptop's predicessor for three years. I use Linux at home on a server. I get Linux.

    The problem is that I spent a long time on hibernation, and while I could sometimes get it to stop properly, it almost never restarted properly.

    For sleep mode, Linux would usually work; but again, not always. I have far fewer problems with Windows than I did with Linux.

    For the network: I know that Linux will do DHCP. That's how mine was configured. My complaint was that if I managed to make the laptop go to sleep on network A, and it woke up on network B, I would have to manually do the ifdown/ifup dance. Windows seems to assume that if it has gone to sleep it needs to renegotiate the network config when it is woken up, which is a safe assumption much of time, and a harmless one the vast majority of the time.

    I'll admit that I don't mess around with changing my display resolution much; except that when I am docked at the office, it seems silly to be stuck in a 1400x1280 60Hz display if I have a 1600x1400 85Hz capable monitor sitting right in front of me. And that, plus the real, full-sized keyboard, is the only necessary justification for docking; anything else is just gravy.

    Regarding the CDRs: the unfixated disks require something called DirectCD (part of the Roxio suite of products) in order to read; nothing else has been able to read them on any platform I've tried. I was stunned too.

    And I've tried WINE. I even paid for CrossOver. And there are still some things that don't work under it (the Cisco switch management applet thing is the current gate).

    The point of all this is that yes, I could do much (perhaps all) of my list on Linux; however, I'm not an 18-year-old living in my mom's basement anymore. I have a life, a wife, and a child; I no longer have hours and hours on end to fiddle with this and tweak that or whatever. If I can get things done without the fiddling and fussing it works much better for me, and for my employer.

    But keep hacking on this stuff. Once it all "just works", I'm sure I'll come back to it because I really hate Windows. I just need it right now.

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    you should read everything on the internet as if it had "but I'm probably talking out of my ass" appended to it.