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No Region Codes for HD-DVD?
MBCook writes "According to Engadget something interesting has come out of the DVD Forum Conference 2005 in Japan. Here is the line from the post we've all been waiting for: 'But one statement from Toshiba Digital Media Networks' Hisashi Yamada was particularly intriguing: "We've gotten a variety of opinions about region controls. Even in the Steering Committee, they are extremely unpopular; we decided to not put them in. HD DVD probably won't contain any region playback controls."' Source: Japanese, English (via Google's Language Tools)."
If Blu-Ray doesn't match this, I think Toshiba just got a LOT more popular.
Does this mean we can import and play the HD-DVDs of movies that have yet to come out in the theatre here in Europe? (without special hardware)
I wonder what the movie industry thinks about this.
Poor argument - it could easily be made (more) illegal, and hardware manufactures told not to add region-hacking codes in the firmware.
at least one copy can be made to an electronic format, and no region encoding? sweet!!!
I hope Apple jumps on this because then they could have all they need for a video iPod
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Looks like the competition between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD may benefit consumers in the end after all. Now let's see what Sony offers the consumer with Blu-Ray to convince us to go with them first.
...is that they're not supplying region code "functionality" because region codes definitely have increased piracy as a whole. When someone in a given country can't get a DVD because its not available in their market yet, they'll more likely just download the movie.
Region coding worked fine before information traveled so fast and so easily. You'll also see European release dates much closer to the U.S. release dates for the same reason -- if the movie isn't in theatres in your market, just download a bootleg and see it first.
Here again is another proof that information not only wants to be free, it wants to be available to everyone at the same time.
I've always found it interesting how region coding was giving an advantage to Hollywood movies. Everything out of Hollywood, even the least interesting tripe, gets released in other region codes than north America, notably in the Europe/Japan zone (2). On the other hand, only a relatively few movies from Europe and Japan get an "American release" on Zone 1 DVDs. Hence the zoning works as a one-way filter and keeps American consumers from most foreign movies.
The theater release date argument toward zoning is not good because more and more of the most anticipated movies have worldwide release, and also because then why would zoning apply to old classics and other pre-dvd era movies that are still to be released ?
And the people rejoiced.
And the movie industry rejected HD-DVD.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
DRM is even more unpopular but it's being used even more.
Region codes may seem ridiculous and bothersome to the consumer, but it prevents us from ordering movies and games from less well off places where they're sold for maybe $2 instead of paying $10-$20 here. Unless the studios are willing to release material with a global price of 20 US dollars it's not going to happen. Or maybe they'll just change the name, it won't be called "region codes" by name but there will be something in place to restrict the playing of foreign movies and games. There's just too much money involved to scrap it.
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Obviously, it could just be a case of HDDVD seeing how unpopular they are and making some changes to their strategy late in the day to get some support which they wouldn't have done if we hadn't originally shunned them.
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Who is this 'most of us'? Last time I checked only an extreme minority 'hacked' anything electronic.
Although many people point to release dates and argue that regions were to prevent someone from importing a movie that was still in local theatres, I think a much larger factor was the general standard of living. Region coding allowed the studios to charge higher prices in regions that had higher standards of living without pricing themselves out of the market in economically depressed regions.
What I want in a DVD player (or any movie player):
I managed to get a DVD player that can do the first two (it also does PAL->NTSC conversion), but not the last (and I actually have an old TV with only coax input, so I must run the DVD (at the time, the DVD only had RCA analog out) through a VHS player which doesn't work due to Macrovision; I've been bitten and I wasn't even trying to copy... luckily I also have an old VHS player that doesn't have auto-tracking, woohoo).
I absolutely abhor shopping for these things because it's such an effort to do the research and find something that works how I want it to. It's tough being a discerning shopper. Is there a DVD player that can skip "non-skippable" things? Can I do this from Linux (in which case, is there a DVD drive that is region free? I assume Macrovision isn't an issue... even if I were to record analog with a VHS deck...).
So, yay to no region codes, but to the current DVD player shopping: AAAAAAAAAAAH!! #%$@!
Most DVD players in the Uk (especially the cheap ones) do not ship region free, but there is normally a very easy way (if you can find it) to make it region free. My DVD player can be made region free (or any other region) by using a hidden menu which is accessed by pressing 7 when the tray is open.
Lots of examples of how easy it is are available here http://www.dvdexploder.com/multihacks.htm
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Most of "us" just pretend "we" are hackers on /. whereas "we" are really clueless. We just run programs real hackers have written.
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Also, most of us can hack, and hacking DVD BIOS/software/players is pretty straightforward.
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That may be so, but most of the population struggle even with the documented features of their device, nevermind applying cracks to them.
So, you don't have multi-standard TVs in the US? Your DVD players don't do at least a half-arsed conversion from one standard to another? (What's the reverse of PAL-60? NTSC-50? So what if you lose 40-odd lines top and bottom?)
If that's the case: wow, what a backwards, insular country...
These things are pretty much standard in the rest of the world - any TV less than 10 years old is almost sure to natively handle PAL/SECAM & NTSC. And if you can't walk into a major retailer and buy a decent name-brand DVD player that's region-free out of the box (or with codes in the user manual), then you're not trying...
At least, that's the case in Australia. Hell, some of the major DVD retailers here stock R1 titles on the shelf alongside R4.
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
Now that Mod Chips Are Legal who really cares about region codes? just wait for the DVD player mod chip!
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When I watched that movie, I wondered, "What are effects of digital media on analog evil". For example, when I watched the movie it was on DVD. Therefore, a copy was more than likely made in various caches in the system. Does that inhibit the evil on the VHS from attacking me? Or even at a more fundamental level, did the evil even survive the MPEG2 compression? Can any evil survive digitation?
What about internet distribution? Does copying a DivX file grant you immunity? Do the router owner's between you and another computer gain immunity, even though they are not aware of the copy.
Somebody needs to do their Ph.D. dissertation on this subject.