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Splashpower Boasts Wireless Power

Sullivan writes "Maccentral is running a story on a startup called Splashpower that hopes to be able to wirelessly recharge all of our handheld devices. They have a working prototype that already recharges an iPod Mini and a cell phone. Now we can look forward to yet another way to get brain cancer."

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  1. but what about lost efficiencies? by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think this is a very cool device and have often wondered why more devices haven't come with wireless re-chargability (think electric toothbrushes). But I wonder about the efficiency of this method. Is it? And if it's not, how less efficient is it than direct contact recharging? As more and more gadgets and devices become rechargable technology this would seem to be more important. I don't know much about electronics at the engineering level, so any erudite replies would be appreciated.

  2. Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by cyberworm · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is probably how Tesla would have charged his iPod.

    1. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, Tesla wanted to be able to pull power at long range. The splash pad is just a two part transformer (the pad is one coil, and the clip-on adapter is the second coil). So, it turns the electricity from the wall into magnetic pulses which are then turned back into electricity (it's not very efficient, but who needs efficiency when you're being encouraged to be lazy anyways?).

    2. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by hazee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, except Tesla would have used a couple of million volts, giving rise to massive bloody great bursts of lightning that have a nasty habbit of electrocuting passing cattle, and whose cracks of thunder *really* annoy the villagers ten miles down the valley...

    3. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, then you're back to having a separate charger for each device. The main idea here is to do away with a plethora of adaptors, cables, and bricks.

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  3. fashion news... by rd4tech · · Score: 2, Funny

    the tinfoil hat

  4. Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by HaeMaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, "pick up the cord, plug it in" or "set on pad". Not really worth $250 to me.

    1. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by s7uar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but once (if) it gets built into phones, if you're away on a business trip and forget your cellphone charger you'll be glad the hotel provided a pad in your room.

    2. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by cloudmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot "clean all of the lint and crud out of the charging port" and "wiggle phone around so the contacts make good contact rather than just barely missing" in your description of the old method. You also may have forgotton "make sure that cord is at such an angle so as to facilitate minimal breakage after grabbbing and walking away without remembering to unplug it in the morning". :)

    3. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Sepodati · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you to a point, but you forgot that you need the 5 cords for the 5 devices you have, with each one plugged into an outlet. So it would be convienent if you could just sit any of your devices on this and have them recharging. I mean, you set them somewhere, anyhow. Why not have them recharging each time you do so?

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    4. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I agree with you to a point, but you forgot that you need the 5 cords for the 5 devices you have, with each one plugged into an outlet."
      You are assuming that one pad will charge every device. It would be very possible to make a "standard" DC port for every device. Chargers would be universal and easy to use. Heck USB is very close right now.
      The problem is none of the companies want it. They all make good money off of selling extra chargers.

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    5. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by CaseyB · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're that guy from the TV commercials, aren't you? You know, the guy for whom straining spaghetti or wiping off a table or opening a jar are so incredibly difficult and frustrating that you have to swipe all your existing products off a tabletop with both hands and buy some special device to do it for you.

    6. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by cloudmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, but I am the guy who carries his cell phone in a pocket of jeans or coveralls, where the charging socket gets filled pu with lint and dust. Then again, I did buy a Eurosealer at Walgreens (mostly for humor value), and my tabletop could definitely use a sweeping-off-with-both-hands... :)

    7. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My last vacation I took...

      -cell phone
      -PSP
      -digital camera
      -laptop ...and my daughter took...

      -iPod
      -GameBoy Advanced
      -her own cell phone
      -her own notebook (yes, I realize this part is overkill, but _you_ try telling a 16 year old girl she needs to leave it at home) ... all of which required their own, seperate power brick for charging. I ended up taking a power strip with me to plug all of the rest into at the hotel so I wouldn't have them spread all over the room.

      In my bedroom I have a rats next of courds to serve the same function.

      I agree, if it was just a cell phone I wouldn't pay the $250. But if all my devices had this built in it would be a pretty nice sized hassle removed from my life.

      TW

  5. Wireless Mouse Pad by Nycto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My first thought when reading this: Build it in to a desk and use it as your mouse pad. Then, you would never have to charge your wireless mouse. Sweet.

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    1. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by joey_knisch · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean like this?

    2. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by Trixter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd never have to charge your wireless mouse, but then you'd gain a cord back. Cord, never have to charge it... hmm, sounds just like a corded mouse to me :-)

  6. afroman's already done it by philo_enyce · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arnold pad.htm

    still, i'd like it if this became mainstream.

    philo

    1. Re:afroman's already done it by sirmalloc · · Score: 2, Funny

      best....website.....ever.

    2. Re:afroman's already done it by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually tried building one of these for my MX700. Winding a flat spiral inductor is WAY harder than you would think. I never got one good enough to induce anything in my secondary coil.

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  7. Isn't this just inductive power? by Kerosene · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Inductive power has been around for a while, mostly in electric toothbrushes.

    It's not "wireless" as the devices have to be pretty much touching the pad.

    For things like mp3 players and cellphones, it's really useless unless you're completely lazy or hate charging wires with a passion.

    No chance of brain cancer here, really.

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    1. Re:Isn't this just inductive power? by erlenic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For things like mp3 players and cellphones, it's really useless unless you're completely lazy or hate charging wires with a passion.

      That's me exactly. I absolutely hate having a power cord for my phone floating around in my car. I would love a pad built into the small holding tray (or whatever it could be called) that's in my center console. I already take my cell phone and PDA out of my pocket and place them there anyway, why not add effortless recharging to it?

  8. Its about time by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://home.howstuffworks.com/question292.htm

    My electric shaver recharges this way, and i've been wondering why we don't just have a pad that we can toss our electric gadgets onto for recharging.

    My wish has been granted!

    As for efficiency, I'll refer you to DansData, because he knows the answer to everything.
      Your Answer Here

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    1. Re:Its about time by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 3, Interesting


      My Braun electric toothbrush does too and you can recharge it just by setting it next to a CRT-based monitor.

  9. Re:Wait a second... by Shaleh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The one main advantage is the end of ac-dc adapters aka wall warts. This would get rid of each device needing its own proprietary power connector. I have a power strip of these just to recharge my own gadgets -- phone, gba, camera, etc.

    Not sure I am keen on the potential healh affects though.

  10. nice plan but... by mSparks43 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the way I understand it, it works in exactly the same way as the transformer in every power supply... these things are short range (typically a few centemeters max) so the risk of em celular damage should be insigificant. I wonder though, how this will play with the actual electronics in the device itself. Electronics tend to get fried by high power e.m. fields, and if the device has any kind of coil that isn't intended for power coupling you may end up cooking the device?

  11. Re:I love my new ... by Remlik · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes they did prove it...at least my college physics prof did by using a hypothetical line 1 foot above your head carring an impossible amout of power (1 million volts or somthing silly like that). The magnetic field generated by the line was several orders of magnitude less than the magnetic field of the earth which you are exposed to at all times.

    Also the cell phone brain cancer thing is becoming less and less likely.

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  12. Re:I love my new ... by Noxx · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think Eddie Murphy is still looking into it...

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  13. Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, they have created a device that recharges devices wirelessly, if you place the device on top of the pad.

    My cell phone, my beard trimmer, and my toothbrush already recharge wirelessly... sure, I have to place them in their cradles and line up the contacts, but it's still approximately the same.

    What is being offered here is a universal charger system. The rest of it is bells and whistles. What Splashpower needs to do is get the device producers to incorporate the hardware necessary for this, and to get hotels etc. to install the pads.

    This is problematic, as stated in the article. Device-makers won't install the charging coil unless the infrastructure for charging is in place; establishments won't purchase the charging pads unless a sufficient amount of devices have the coil installed. There's just no ROI for a hotel chain to install these in their rooms and suites, and no reason for an end-user to purchase an enabled device if chargers aren't available.

    Nice idea, but don't buy stock.

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  14. One step closer... by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now we're one step closer to the Broadcast Energy Transmitter (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093066/). Better watch out or Cobra-La will use it to deploy spores from space.

  15. Sounds Familiar? Try Another! by loyukfai · · Score: 2, Informative
    At least this is more than half year old.

    OTOH, this maybe a bit more refreshing.

  16. Two hits in the efficiency chain? by nobodyman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Excellent link from the parent -- I have an electric toothbrush that charges the same way and I've always wondered how efficient it is. Apparently it isn't much worse than traditional adapters used for phones and such: about 70%.

    However, if you look at the photo of the splashpower base, it looks as though the base itself uses an AC adapter (the cord appears to have a male DC-power connector). If that's the case then you really have to hits in the chain, and the system is ultimately 50% efficient (.7 for the adapter that powers the base, times .7 for the "remote" charging.) Right?

    1. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by Enigma_Man · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, you're going to get less than .7 efficiency from the inductive recharger. The .7 efficiency on something like a toothbrush-charging stand assumes that the coils actually overlap slightly (know that little knob that the toothbrush rests on? It's actually part of the magnetic core that helps transmit the AC over). The electric field decreases with the square of distance. In one of those toothbrush chargers, the inductors are separated maybe by a millimeter of thin plastic. If you have... say a mousepad-sized recharging "station" to put all of your goodies onto, you might end up with distances of several inches from the charging coil to the pickup coil in the device you actually want to charge. Without having an actual "stand" like electric toothbrushes do, you aren't going to transmit much power. If you're going to have a stand, might as well have metal contacts, and forego the less efficient inductive method. The only reason why toothbrushes really do that is because they're often wet, and you put them in your mouth, so you wouldn't want metal contacts sticking out (my waterproof electric razor actually has metal contacts, you just wouldn't want to plug in the AC while it's wet).

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  17. You don't put it on your head by panurge · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So how exactly is a short range magnetic field going to give you brain cancer?

    The efficiency is probably not at all bad; the magnetic field is short range and, in the absence of a receiver, the only thing in the magnetic circuit to absorb energy is the hysteresis of the inductor in the transmitter. Which, with modern ferrites, can be pretty small, unless of course they are using a purely air-cored system at the transmitter end, in which case it's tiny.

    The huge potential benefit of this system is that it eliminates the second most unreliable part of electronic systems: connectors. Anyone who has worked at the sharp end of electronics knows that connectors suck, big time. Designs proliferate. There are far too many of them and they are far too unstandardised. And connectors designed to be repeatedly made and broken are the worst of the lot. Although the designs have come a long way (the fact that gigabit copper Ethernet connectors work is a small electronic miracle in itself) they are still the worst part of any system, after the batteries.
    So here we have a system which if widely adopted allows most of the tiny connectors used in portable devices to disappear, and possibly reduces the demands on batteries because people will find recharging easier. Those are big pluses.

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  18. Sealed iPod? by utexaspunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always thought it would be cool if Apple made a completely sealed, solid-state iPod. It would need inductive charging built in, as well as wireless bluetooth headphones. I'm not sure if a standard exists for it, but there also needs to be a very short-range (i.e., through the inductive charger) high-bandwidth wireless data transfer protocol. How cool would it be to have a waterproof iPod nano? Maybe someday they'll evolve into equally slim, sealed and lightweight tablets.

  19. Re:I love my new ... by Urusai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess the prof's theoretical calculations don't explain why HVAC lines will make a fluorescent tube light up at a distance, yet Earth's magnetic field does nothing...

  20. universal adapter VS. charge pad by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have a universal plug adapter you can really do the same thing. The difference is simply laying the device down and spending $150.00 for that slight convenience.

    How many of you read this first thought you could recharge remotely, say within 100 feet of this device? Now THAT would be convenient.

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  21. Re:I love my new ... by demonbug · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Earth's magnetic field is really really weak at the surface - like 30-40000 nano tesla, depending on where you are. We get exposed to many fields that are significantly stronger all the time (I definitley do - but then I work in a lab where we have several 1-2 tesla magnets going fairly often; on the otehr hand, we also have a shielded room, so I don't get exposed to Earth's magnetic field for significant portions of my day).

  22. Re:Nice, but... by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IMO, what we need is a single standard for power distribution that caters to the device, not dozens of adapters that are a slave to a single 120VAC standard.

    Most small electric devices operate off of DC power, so no matter what, you have to have an adapter to convert AC power to DC. Since you have to have the adapter anyway, it doesn't really matter what DC voltage you go with, so you pick whatever's going to be cheapest for the situation. Consequently, we have all sorts of DC power requirements.

    What might help the situation is for someone to come up with a standard for power outlets that use a standardized DC voltage in addition to AC. Or maybe a handful of voltages. Different contacts could provide your DC voltage(s), in conjunction with your AC voltage.

    Device manufacturers could then target those standardized voltages and spend less money on adapters.

  23. Re:Lawsuits are a comin' by joelsanda · · Score: 3, Funny

    The "I'm getting cancer and my kids have ADD because of the powerlines in my house" crowd and their lawyers are going to have a field day with this!

    Yeah ... especially when the attorneys (whose suits will still cost more than their laptops and cell phones) are typing away on their laptops using WiFi and mobile phones with Bluetooth!

    Case ... dismissed!

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  24. Re:Lawsuits are a comin' by Peldor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously the field wasn't strong enough to make their lightbulbs glow.

  25. Re:I love my new ... by Doomedsnowball · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do people think radio waves when they hear "wireless"? Hmmm... it seems obvious to me that the trick is to induce a electric current with a magnet that is not strong enough to completely destroy the electronic components inside the device. This would work toward eliminating multiple adapters to recharge various devices and overloading wall sockets with adapters. They aren't saying that they are recharging the devices with a high power 2.4 Ghz signal. Duh.

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  26. Re:I love my new ... by retro128 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But two questions: First, was it alternating current? And second, how much amperage was going through the line?

    Just having 1,000,000 volts above your head means nothing if there's little amperage and it's a DC power source. Alternating currents cause electromagnetic fields to propogate, and large amounts of current causes them to be more powerful. This is why you can get a flourescent tube to light up when you stand underneath high power transmission lines - The electromagnetic field from them is inducted into the tube and there is still enough power to excite the mercury atoms. Last I checked the Earth's magnetic field couldn't do something like that...

    I can see why the brain cancer/cell phone controversy exists - Basically you have a very, very powerful source of EM in a concentrated spot next to your ear. The problem is that nobody can seem to prove conclusively that it causes cell mutations.

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  27. One good thing about wired chargers by programmerar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One good thing about wired chargers is for example when you're on your cell phone and the battery starts beeping, you just attach the wire and it charges WHILE you use the phone (i.e. have it pressed to your ear). Same thing goes with electric shavers...

    None of this would work with this wireless charger. Not that I wouldn't like one laying around...

  28. Nothing New by Anonimus+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reminds me of something else I've seen before... http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arnold pad.htm

  29. Re:I love my new ... by Ariane+6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Umm, because in AC the magnetic field is changing, which flourescent bulbs require to operate?

    The earth also has an electric field of about 100 volts per meter, so the potential at your feet (if you're an average-sized adult) is different from that at your head by about 200 volts. Doesn't cause cancer.

  30. Splashpower is terrific! by Bozovision · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Splashpower is a really interesting company; a couple of students took developed a business plan for a competition. They won the competition and started the company off the back of it while they were still at university. They used an idea that they reasonably certain could be solved (they were both engineers) and started serious work once the funding was sorted out. They've received angel and venture funding.

    Splashpads are quite interesting in that they are active devices. When you drop something onto the pad, there's some communication that goes on between the pad and the device. The pad delivers power to the right place on the pad to recharge that device, and only that place. You don't have to orientate the device correctly, and there's no contact made. You can have multiple devces recharging at once.

    If you drop your keys onto the pad then they won't electrocute you when you pick them up. And they won't heat up. If you drop electronics that's not enabled onto the pad, then it won't get electrocuted either.

    There is a chicken-and-egg problem. On the other hand, I would not be at all surprised to see at least one cell-phone manufacturer adopting their system, and the first step in widespread adoption is to get individual manufacturers to commit to it. They also have the advantage that past a certain penetration point it becomes a de facto standard.

    There are several other competing companies. In my opinion the Splashpower system is one of the best and most likely to succeed providing they can move past initial adoption.

    Re braincancer. Deeply, deeply unlikely. Worry about the X-rays emitted from your CRT first.