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U.S. Cybersecurity Not So Secure?

freaktheclown writes "According to CNet, 'government auditors have been saying that Homeland Security has failed to live up to its cybersecurity responsibilities and may be 'unprepared' for emergencies.'" The article discusses FEMA's handling of relief efforts for hurricane Katrina and how a very similar situation exists with electronic security measures in the U.S. In addition to a conjecture the department of cybersecurity has been "plagued by a series of damning reports, accusations of bureaucratic bungling, and a rapid exodus of senior staff that's worrying experts and industry groups."

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  1. That's what happens when unqualified people.. by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... are given jobs because of their political affiliations.

    Yes, unqualified people performing serious jobs leads to nothing but problems.

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    1. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      And I am sure that is based on your intimate knowledge of the issue? The problem is not one of qualified people but crisis management. The unsuspecting public we all know and love pitted against the just because I can 'download" enemy is the problem. Sitting on the sidelines and condescendingly joking what losers Windows AOL'ers is really helping now, isn't it?

    2. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by clambake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, unqualified people performing serious jobs leads to nothing but problems.

      Careful now, that sounds a bit like TERRORIST talk to me...

    3. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that attitude is part of the problem. The initial post laments:

      ..accusations of bureaucratic bungling, and a rapid exodus of senior staff that's worrying...

      I think those things are very intertwined. Whenever there is a governmental mistake, or failure to accurately foresee the future, accusations start flying. The media Queen of hearts shouts at everyone, "Off with their heads". No wonder there's an exodus of senior staff.
      Help Wanted:Anyone want to fill the 'scapegoat' position? I didn't think so.

    4. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > ... are given jobs because of their political affiliations.
      >
      > Yes, unqualified people performing serious jobs leads to nothing but problems.

      You miss the point. The purpose of cycling senior people through the bureaucracy isn't because the bureaucracy's ineffective, it's because it's the gateway to a consluting career with the bureaucracy. That's how the Aristocracy of Pull works, and it works the same way whether the Jackasses or the Elephants are in charge. (The only catch is that you can only pull fellow Jackasses (or Elephants) through the door -- and because your tribal totem isn't going to be in charge forever, whenever your gang's in charge, you're obliged to bring the maximum number of fellow gang members through the door as possible during your time in charge.)

      To recap:

      1) Cultivate enough pull to get a cushy appointment.
      2) As a courtesy to the last guy to hold your post, hire him as a conslutant at double his previous pay.
      3) Continue to ineffective -- preferably so ineffective that you have a good excuse to resign in "disgrace" within a year or so. This frees up the slot so your boss can reward another guy with pull.
      4) Get hired by the new guy at half the political liability to your friends, and at double the pay.
      5) PROFIT!

      The less effective the bureaucracy, the more people can be run through the revolving door during the course of a given administration, and the more taxpayer dollars can be looted in the process. And because pull is proportional to dollars looted, the system creates its own incentive. Launder, rinse, repeat.

    5. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The media Queen of hearts shouts at everyone, "Off with their heads". No wonder there's an exodus of senior staff.

      Except in the United States the media does not seriously question the government. That is why the Bush administration was able to preside over several of the worst incidents in American history, and have emerged basically unscathed.

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    6. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Datamonstar · · Score: 1

      Finally! A shortcut to skip that ambigous ??? step!

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    7. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by stilwebm · · Score: 2, Informative

      A couple of years ago I enjoyed a speech and follow-up discussion with the Middle Tennessee Infragard president, who held (and currently holds) several high level security positions after many years of underground security experience. He worked closely with federal employees and appointees. His observation was not that the appointees were chosen by political affiliation or felt it necessary to follow a political agenda. The problem was that the appointees had to negotiate an unfamiliar system of red tape and even wait congress to approve certain measures. It is hard to act quick, something that cybersecurity often demands. The frustration leads to high turnover, especially when lucrative private sector offers enter the picture.

    8. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by bakes · · Score: 5, Funny

      the gateway to a consluting career

      This is one of the most insightful typos I've seen on slashdot.

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    9. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny
      the gateway to a consluting career
      This is one of the most insightful typos I've seen on slashdot.
      It's even funnier when you know that in french, "con" means "cunt" (both as in "vagina" and "stupid")
    10. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by whyne · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... are given jobs because of their political ... Hmm. "Outside observers are holding out hope for Chertoff's departmental reorganization announced in July. As part of the reshuffling, he hired Stewart Baker, former general counsel to the National Security Agency and a well-respected technology lawyer." I know that I feel safer with attorneys in charge of my countrys network security.

    11. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by CyricZ · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If the American media were truly as anti-Republican as you seem to believe, then there would've been a massive outcry after Sept. 11. Of course, that never happened, because the media is not anti-Republican by any means. As we so obviously witnessed, the American mass media then proceeded to help out the Bush administration by hyping the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      Now, considering how wrong you were with your first couple of sentences, I'm not going to bother with the rest of your post, since it is probably just as factually incorrect.

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    12. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the French conflate stupidity with vaginas. I understand their culture so much more now - or at least their men.

    13. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by john82 · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's deep.

      You don't know sh*t about the problem, so it MUST be what ever BS idea pops into your head.

      Then you get modded as "insightful" by equally simple-minded moderators.

      Amazing.

    14. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      First:
      I find it amusing that the Right Wingers out there have latched on to this mantra of "Democrats believe the Bush caused Katrina, what idiots".. I couldn't figure it out at first and then I realized that this was an unclever ploy to make Liberals look stupid somehow.. except that I couldn't find any Liberals actually ever even IMPLYING Bush was responsible for "causing" Katrina..

      What Liberals were saying (right or wrong) is that it wasn't handled appropriately and Bush even agreed and took responsibility for this.

      So please do yourself a favor and stop regurgitating whatever Fox News feeds you. (the origins that Democrats were even suggesting that came from Ben Stein http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/benstein.asp )

      Let's see you like to talk a lot of officially approved Right Wing propaganda, but who had the highest death toll from Katrina? .. Which State? I'll help you out.. Starts with an L and ends with an A.
      Here's a little link for your narrow mind.. Please click on it, it will help to educate you:
      http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/33 87284

      Let's see Louisiana had 1003 dead, Missisippi which you claim was hit the hardest only had 221 people dead.. Let's see I guess math escapes you, that's almost 5 times as many dead in Lousiana.

      Maybe you should get your facts straight and do a little bit of research from alternative news sources before you go off spouting the misinformed Fox News spinning of the facts.

    15. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the media weren't in Bush's pocket, the departure in disgust of every "cybersecurity czar" we've had (all under Bush) would be a running story about how we're begging to get hit. We pay taxes to a government we elected to protect us from threats, and those responsible for the cyber department won't accept liability for their useless department. That's not "scapegoating". If the department were competent, there wouldn't be any need to scapegoat anyone. Anyone watching their counterparts across DHS leave thousands to die in the wake of Katrina can tell that we're paying fools to pretend to protect us. And if reporters were more competent than these DHS personnel they cover for, it wouldn't take Katrina to show how screwed we all are.

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    16. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whenever there is a governmental mistake, or failure to accurately foresee the future, accusations start flying. The media Queen of hearts shouts at everyone, "Off with their heads". No wonder there's an exodus of senior staff.

      But that's not what happens -- the media doesn't scapegoat invisible public service employees who've been dutifully showing up doing their job every day for 30 years. Those employees make it through scandals in administration after administration, because everyone knows the agency will not function without them -- ocassionally one may be scapegoated internally, but they don't have any "sex appeal" to the media.

      This recent wave IS very different, because it is one of the first times that these guys do seem to be resigning in large numbers -- not because of "media pressure" (the media doesn't even know who these guys are), but because of inept cronies being put in place above them, and then the cronies not being smart enough to realize the career professionals should be running the show.

      That's exactly what is happening with the CIA right now, where guys who have happily served both Republican and Democratic administrations for decades are suddenly being dictated to on how to perform their jobs by people who are barely qualified to operate the paper shredder.

      "The Media" isn't pushing out the senior CIA officials, the Bush administration is, the same way they pushed Whitman out of the EPA (I mean, geez, the Republican governor of New Jersey is "too liberal" on the environment? Reality check! That's as crazy as suggesting a quadrupegic veteran isn't patriotic!)

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    17. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by deanj · · Score: 1
      If the media weren't in Bush's pocket...


      Just curious....What color is the sky on your planet?

    18. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by black+hole+sun · · Score: 1

      Hello Cryic, long time no see! (We're both (former) authors at GameFAQs in its hayday).

      Greetings aside, I've got to disagree. Unless you're glued to Fox, CNN and MSNBC have been giving the government its fair share of blame. Just turn on Lou Dobbs and you'll find him railing against government ineffeciencies and wastes, to include its incompetence in the aftermath of Katrina. Over on MSNBC you've got the good Keith Olbermann, and he's not exactly letting Bush & Co off easy either. Hell, even in the Fox News camp there's some dissent coming from Shepard Smith ("Studio B") and Cavuto. Of course you'll always have blowhards like O'Reilly, but what can you do.

      This is of course to say nothing of the papers -- NYT, Time, Newsweek -- nobody's giving Bush any slack these days (and rightfully so, IMO). His image is in the pits atm even amongst some conservatives due to his Supreme Court nominee. So let's not be too quick to jump on the "conservative media" bandwagon.

    19. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around these here parts the sunrises are colored Murdoch, the sunsets O'Reilly.

      The sad thing about the mindless sheeple like you is that they're too busy squawking the party line to realize that the world's done gone and moved on. Even CNN goes begging for conservative viewership these days.

    20. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What the AC said:

      " Around these here parts the sunrises are colored Murdoch, the sunsets O'Reilly.

      The sad thing about the mindless sheeple like you is that they're too busy squawking the party line to realize that the world's done gone and moved on. Even CNN goes begging for conservative viewership these days.
      "

      Now, if you'd step away from your corporate media and brush the rust off your brain, you'd notice that the Bush administration has left our country smashed almost beyond recognition. Harder to look at than the endless lies you'd like to believe is Bush's America, but at least true.

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    21. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by name773 · · Score: 1

      "That's as crazy as suggesting a quadrupegic veteran isn't patriotic!"

      not to disparage veterans or anything, but losing a few limbs serving your country might not improve your opinion of said country

      it could go either way really

    22. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I had a woman at work claim that Katrina was caused by the climate changes caused by Bush's energy and environment policies. So, I asked her if Bush can control the weather. Because I remember an episode of G.I. Joe when I was little where Cobra could do that and I thought it was neat if it were reality. She then saw how stupid her comments made her look, so she backed off a bit. We all look at her a little differently now.

    23. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Coyoteold1 · · Score: 1

      It irritates me enough when a person has a lot more talent at getting a job through "schmooze" than in doing a job, but it's worse when they are deliberately appointed to a position of extreme responsibility based more on whether they'll be a "team player" than whether they'll do their job well.

      It's bad enough when a company appoints people based on social skills over actual skills - how much worse when someone elects unqualified buddies into positions of _real_ importance in government?

    24. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this is getting completely off topic, but "hardest hit" doesn't necessarily mean "most deaths". The northeast corner of a hurricane is by far the most damaging. The Northeast corner of Katrina travelled over Mississipi (source).

      Modern buildings in hurricane prone areas are built to withstand winds up to 150MPH. Katrina reached wind speeds of up to 175 mph sustained (source). Buildings were razed to the ground by those forces. New Orleans had more deaths because of the higher population density.

      That said, 1003 dead is more tragic than 221 dead. But I'd rather not get into statistical counts of dead people. It demeans them. Each one of those dead was an individual with a name, a family, friends, a life story, ...

    25. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need a visit from Bob and Bob.

      ofsp-dohere.wav
    26. Re: That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > That's exactly what is happening with the CIA right now, where guys who have happily served both Republican and Democratic administrations for decades are suddenly being dictated to on how to perform their jobs by people who are barely qualified to operate the paper shredder.

      And operating a paper shredder appears to be a very important skill for Bush appointees.

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    27. Re: That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > > If the media weren't in Bush's pocket...

      > Just curious....What color is the sky on your planet?

      Heh. "Blue" sounds like a doubly appropriate answer.

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    28. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you do know what `twat' means, don't you? This would be a better translation of `con' (not as vulgar as `cunt'), so whatever cultural insights you've inferred should apply to english speakers, too.

    29. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      "Except in the United States the media does not seriously question the government."

      The Bush administration was able to quite quickly attribute the 9/11/2001 debacle to Saddam bin Laden. The 10/2001 Metro DC sniper team was relatively quickly captured, considering the population and traffic density. But the perpetrators of the deadly anthrax letters of 11/2001 have never been caught.

      Those deadly anthrax letters were not directed to members of the Bush administration, nor to their neo(Con)artist supporters in the Congress. They were directed at the liberal Eastern establishment media, and at the GOP's "loyal opposition" in the US Senate. The anthrax was a direct DNA match (including typical generational mutations) to the anthrax stored at the US Army's bioweapons lab at Ft. Dettrick, MD. One might presume that the liberal press and Bush's political opposition had the "wind taken out of their sails" after the anthrax letters were mailed.

    30. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by dptalia · · Score: 1
      We pay taxes to a government we elected to protect us from threats, and those responsible for the cyber department won't accept liability for their useless department.

      Do we? Maybe we believe we do, but the government has no mandate to protect us from threats. From outside governments, yes, which is why the military is constitutional. But from "threats"? That's the sort of thinking that's gotten us mandatory seat belt laws, which the feds have no right to be involved in (I know, states passed the seat belt laws, but under threat of witholding federal tax dollars).

      It comes down to personal responsibility. We are responsible for ourselves, and why should we expect the government to absolve us of our responsibility? Besides, everything the government does is cumbersome and filled with bureaucratic nonsense. Paperwork is the onlything governments are good at.

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    31. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      You're making a big mistake, first by conflating "protecting us from ourselves" with "protecting us from threats". You're right about the illegitimacy of seatbelt mandate laws, and motorcycle helmets, etc. Personal liability is the responsibility of the government, requiring laws that make us liable for the expectable results of our own actions. But "threat to ourselves" is not within the scope of government protection from "threats". It gets added as further subsidies to corporations and the lawyers who run them.

      The second part of your mistake is ignoring the fundamental function of our government. The Constitution mandates the government that the people ordain and establish to "provide for the common defense". Not just against foreigners and their governments, but against criminals, natural disasters, and other threats to "general welfare". Like hurricanes, riots, droughts, and other threats to the people of a scale that requires all the people united to defend.

      I know Republicans have no use for the government, because it interferes with their corporate agenda to exploit the people, beyond a source of corporate welfare. And now years of Republican government have demonstrated that a government that hates government will destroy itself and fail the people it supposedly represents. But that's instructive of Republicans, not government. The US military, Social Security, government healthcare (VA and Medicare/Medicaid), disaster relief, water/sewage/transportation are all among the best service providers, providing top quality service compared with either private or public services around the world. But only when managed by a government with a vested interest in the people's benefit, not just in exploiting them with a corporate government. A less corrupt government is the people, representing us. Not representing an elite clicque of corporate interests that represent the threat, not our defense.

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    32. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by orcrist · · Score: 1

      not to disparage veterans or anything, but losing a few limbs serving your country might not improve your opinion of said country

      "Opinion of" and "Patriotism" do not necessarily correlate; though that is the meme that came from the cheerleaders for the Iraq war, revived from the Cold War. I consider to myself to be reasonably patriotic, but my opinion of my country (the U.S.) is that it's in the toilet. If I weren't patriotic I would care a lot less about that.

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    33. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Huh? Who is Saddam bin Laden?

      I really wonder sometimes what they put in the USA drinking water ;).

      Or perhaps it's the mercury in the vaccines (google for thimerosal). Mercury is not so good for the brain.

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    34. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by dptalia · · Score: 1
      Libertarian, not Republican - Republican love a big government as long as it's big in what they're interested in. Democrats love a big government, but only in the branches that they like.

      That being said, read the founders letter/essays/etc. The idea was a small government. And the "common defense" sure as eck didn't mean natural disasters! Next you be talking about the welfare clause as justifying the current nightmare of "help" programs. That was the greatest fear the founders had - that these clauses would be taken to mean far more than they should.

      Name one thing the government is good at. The closest I can come to is the military - and even they are hideously slow and inefficent compared to mercenary companies. Social Security? Have you SEEN their rate of return? The VA? Have you read about the health care fiasco the VA has been running? Medicare/Medicade? In California alone they estimate the fraud in the Billions. And you consider these well run programs?

      Nope, I seriously abscribe to "he who governs least governs best". I acknowledge there needs to be some government as it's manifest that many people can't be responsible for themselves. But it should be small and anemic.

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    35. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Food for thought: Is it possible for a human being to be qualified to initiate force against other human beings?

      (The "right" to initiate force, after all, is what precisely defines government and seperates it from every other group or individual.)

    36. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Or perhaps it's the mercury in the vaccines

      Or the anti-humor dose in your vaccines.

    37. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Social Security's return is not its value; it's the security (hence the name). SS is extremely popular because it transformed our society from one which nearly guaranteed most elderly would be poor. Medicaid/Medicare and the VA are other systems which naturally need ongoing revisions (another feature of our government), but which are also vastly superior in protecting Americans. An economy of scale that enables us to band together to protect ourselves from large threats, like macroeconomics and natural disasters. The same principle as police. Government exists to protect us from all kinds of threats by joining our resources for "the common welfare". That means foreign enemies, internal criminals, and natural disasters. Now, you tell me who's going to protect you from your local disaster. Or, if you've got a smart answer about how you've found one of the few 100% stable places in the country to live, how all 300 million of us will live there. Countries have assets in diversifying risk. The US has prospered from doing that efficiently. As it dismantles those security systems, it naturally falls prey to inevitable risks. As someone with something to lose, I don't want to see that.

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    38. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by dptalia · · Score: 1
      Gee, before Social Security most of the elderly lived with their children/grandchildren rather that starve in a garret. This helped strengthen the family unit, and allowed children growning up to always have an adult at hand, even if both parent worked. It also taught us some respect for our elders - rather than housing them in a home and letting Social Security pay for it. Don't have a family? There were charities that existed to help you out. Gee, there are still charities to help out the elderly - why do we need them with Social Security saving us?

      Talking about Social Security, it was never meant to be a retirement plan. When instituted the average lifespan was low enough that almost noone ever received social security. It was a political ploy - something that sounds nice but doesn't really do anything. And as the 1933 Supreme Court case determined, Social Security is just a tax, you have no right to that money.

      I'm not sure having the government involved has improved anything. Somehow we survived without the programs and still went on to be a strong, secure country. Now our tax rates go up, our sense of entitlement is outrageous, and people feel that the government "owes " them happieness.

      America was built on self-reliance. Once we took care of our own. All I'd like is to see some sort of return to what made us great.

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    39. Re:That's what happens when unqualified people.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it's terrorist talk to say KILL ALL BUREAUCRATS, POLITICIANS AND LAWYERS. No, terrorism is reserved for serious offences, like copying DVDs.

  2. First post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cybersecurity not so secure?

    That's like jumbo shrimp!

    1. Re:First post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like Sanitary Landfill.

  3. Who qualifies by Siberwulf · · Score: 0

    Really though, who qualifies? People that work for Symantec, McAfee and the likes? Cyber security really starts at each individual user, imo. The virus can't spread if it has nowhere to spread to. I know thats not directly related to the article, but is a clutch 'factor' in Security on the web. Can't DOS something if you have no hosts.

    1. Re:Who qualifies by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      Can't DOS something if you have no hosts.

      If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
      Is it really a server if its not connected to a network?

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    2. Re:Who qualifies by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yep, shoot all computer users and make sure the damn things are never turned on agai35[cf(*^NO CARRIER

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    3. Re:Who qualifies by skids · · Score: 1

      Symantec?!?!?! If only! You're seriously "misoverestimating" the neo-cons. Try Gator. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/01 33212

    4. Re:Who qualifies by FullCircle · · Score: 1

      If you shoot them in the right place, they won't be turned on again.

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    5. Re:Who qualifies by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Cyber security really starts at each individual user
      Exactly but what doesn't help is when on sub-department of HLS says don't use IE6.0 it's insecure for the average user and an other like FEMA say's you must use IE6.0 to access this site and get emergency money. In the military their is a saying that goes "A poor plan well executed is better than a good plan poorly executed". The feds are showing numerous signs of poor executuion, if they can't decide if we can use IE6.0 or not inside one department, it bodes ill for the whole government.

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  4. Security Through Obscurity is my motto by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    I keep all my usernames/passwords on a Geocities hosted site.

    1. Re:Security Through Obscurity is my motto by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      Now that's what I call hiding in plain sight....

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    2. Re:Security Through Obscurity is my motto by markana · · Score: 1

      That might work - especially if you displayed them in popups...

      99% of the web users out there will automatically block them out, giving you quite a bit of security. :-)

    3. Re:Security Through Obscurity is my motto by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 3, Funny

      I keep all my backups as encrypted files named hot_nude.avi on kazaa.

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    4. Re:Security Through Obscurity is my motto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet...

      steghide them in a gif that flashes "Get a free iPod!!!" and put it in the popup.

  5. May be 'unprepared' for emergencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't say! What makes you draw such startling conclusions? You're really risking your career going out on such limbs.

  6. The root cause? by clevershark · · Score: 4, Funny
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  7. Duh! by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Troll

    When you have over 90% of all computers running on the same family of Operating Systems, with the other less then 10% trying to keep the features to work with the other 90% of the computers. Is a disaster waiting to happen. You can firewall every box, Windows could be the most secure OS in the world, but when you have 90% market share it is going to be a target. Secondly people are afraid to have an independent audits on their computer security, they worry about loosing their jobs if the auditors find a problem. Also you have the problem where people assume the first line of defence is all you need, so if a virus got threw the firewall and virus scanner it just spreads all threw the network.

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    1. Re:Duh! by kcarlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you have over 90% of all computers running on the same family of Operating Systems, with the other less then 10% trying to keep the features to work with the other 90% of the computers. Is a disaster waiting to happen. You can firewall every box, Windows could be the most secure OS in the world, but when you have 90% market share it is going to be a target. Secondly people are afraid to have an independent audits on their computer security, they worry about loosing their jobs if the auditors find a problem. Also you have the problem where people assume the first line of defence is all you need, so if a virus got threw the firewall and virus scanner it just spreads all threw the network.

      To my experience, the major issues involved in a desktop procurement from a Federal manager's point of view are: what are my licensing costs? what are my training costs (it is nearly impossible in the Federal workforce to find someone who has never used any version of Windows or Office, and for any other solution the training costs are typically a significant multiple of MS licensing costs)? what are the security issues (it is very difficult for managers to see how open source could possibly be more secure than Microsoft, and most think that any software as heavily targeted would see a similar track record, though the security folks are often more open on this point)? how is his decision going to impact what he pays for IT personnel? will he even be able to find IT personnel? how will he answer his GS15 or SES boss who has just thrown his monitor through the window and into Constitution Avenue because he made a stupid mistake with an unfamiliar user interface ("I'll have Khalid bring up an XP build right away, sir!")?

      Spend an hour with a Federal help desk operation and you will move on to achievable objectives, like ending world hunger. Serious inroads will be made in academia, business, and local government before widespread adoption by the Fed.

      In the meantime, the Federal security folks are in the position of defending everybody's favorite target OS.

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    2. Re:Duh! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      What do you expect to happen, for the Government to regulate Microsoft? Microsoft gave the proper campaign contributions - there's effectively nothing that can be done by the Government.

      The People could, but they're complacent and lazy. Your best bet is to defend your island of data and have a plan for when everything else goes to hell.

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  8. Education by AxsDeny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The core of the problem is that users continue to not understand what they are doing or using. People expect things to "just work" and if it breaks they will have it fixed. Many people treat their cars this way. They know how to drive them, but not how to fix them if they break down. If we can't educate the users in the safe and proper use of their machines, we will continue to have such problems. If the mainstream OS continues to be riddled with security holes that grandma doesn't know how to patch, we will continue to have these 100,000 node bot nets.

    Education and training actually does better security and society as a whole.

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    1. Re:Education by pcnetworx1 · · Score: 1

      ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY!!!

      I have gone all Linux & BSD on my home machines, but I had Windows for many years before that AND NEVER HAD 1 F***** VIRUS, CRACK, OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE happen to the machine and I had no AV protection. My friends and family asked "How? What AV Sofware you use?" I said "My Brain." Education is the first thing in is this matter all the way.

      I just cannot fathom how people have a deal about a $%$%$FREE ip0d9$)#($#$, then it says go to a web page, and download something, and they do it? I mean this is equated to someone on the street coming up to you, shouting "I will give you a free ipod, just inhale what is in my test tube (with a biohazard sign on the side)," then the person does it, gets SARS and asks "Why?"

      Sorry, this is a rant. But it is true as well.

    2. Re:Education by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Education and training actually does better security and society as a whole.
      Maybe we should get a copy of Moodle installed somewhere and put up some cyber security courses, K-Ph. D. levels should cover it.

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  9. How important is it REALLY? by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Seriously, the intarweb has been little more than a stew of viruses, zombies and DOS attacks for years now. Yet we all manage to show up and do our jobs. How bad could a "cyberattack" really be, if we're living through the current levels of crap?

    And what good is a "federal overseer" when they have no jurisdiction over half of the network?

    I say that we're no worse off for not having a top-dog. It's a meaningless, ineffective position. Why spend the money on it, much less promote the position to a direct report under the DIRHSA?

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    1. Re:How important is it REALLY? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      And what good is a "federal overseer" when they have no jurisdiction over half of the network?
      This is my logic to have an international control of the Internet (predominated by the US).

      But in terms of what they could do, did you really think they could bring down the Twin Towers? I mean, I figure that they can be pretty darn creative if they put their minds to it. And they seem to have decent monetary backing.

    2. Re:How important is it REALLY? by Nevyn · · Score: 1
      How bad could a "cyberattack" really be, if we're living through the current levels of crap?

      All powerstations are down for days, lots of people die at hospitals all over the country. Others people die due to no light/AC/heat/water "even worse" ... billions lost due to companies that can't do anything, noone can travel due to gas stations not having power (thus no food gets to stores), stocks go down the toilet bringing even more economic damage.

      But, yeh, fuckit ... you've got virus protection right for your porn sites, what more could be needed?

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    3. Re:How important is it REALLY? by plover · · Score: 1
      Thanks, that's precisely the kind of mindless hysteria needed to get people all worked up over this.

      Hospitals going dark? Patients dying without power? I'm sorry, you must have missed the last couple of decades where virtually every hospital and almost all major clinics in the country have standby diesel generators. Hell, not only the ordinary office buildings and hotels around here but even the freakin' PARKING RAMPS have generators now, lest the power should go out and trap Jim-Bob in an elevator for an hour without air conditioning!

      And exactly which powerstations are going down because of a "cyber attack"? What kind of "cyber attack" are you imagining? Little electrons armed with tiny guns, sneaking in the wires and shooting the generators from within? Are you aware that the internal control networks are dedicated to that one function and are completely isolated? They're not hooked to the public internet.

      Fortunately, the nation's utilities aren't as stupid and sloppy as you give them credit for. As far as I know they all have regulations or policies prohibiting having their controls online. And all the ones I'm aware of have security professionals whose job includes auditing that policy.

      That means no online electric powergrid control, no municipal water control, no chemical/petroleum plant control is on the internet. The closest they usually get is to make "status" information available online. The east coast blackout was due to a monitoring (not control) system being on the public internet, becoming virus infested, and failing to propagate alerts, allowing a critical link to break without a redundant link being triggered. That was a wakeup call to the industry to keep mission critical gear off the internet completely.

      But here you are trumpeting, "Beware! Osama bin Hacker is going to cause fire, floods, famine! Only an appointed CyberTzar can save us now!" I ask you, what is he going to do differently that the industry won't do instantly anyway? It's not like Cisco was going to sit there on their thumbs once the router breach was published.

      Your pennance for your chicken little statement is to go back and watch "Hackers" again. Make sure that when he "hacks" a "virus" to cause "ecological disaster" that you look around and say to yourself, "Hey, it's only a movie. And a crappy one at that." Only then do you have permission to fast forward to the Angelina Jolie breast scene.

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  10. Cyberstruggle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Politics, power struggles, board of directors, nepotism, no money: all incompatible with security.

    Oh, forgot users.

  11. And yet with GLB/HIPAA/Sarbanes-Oxley by TykeClone · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They have claimed the right to regulate the networks of financial services and medical services outfits.

    Let he who is without sin...

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    1. Re:And yet with GLB/HIPAA/Sarbanes-Oxley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only the Republicans would listen to Jesus's advice. Yet they feel compelled to cast stones like a gravel making machine crossed with a jiffy pop maker. Stone the gays! stone the pagans! stone the brownies! I used to be a conservative until I woke up and saw the true path that Jesus wanted us to walk. I can only pray others wake up and find his light before they are brought to him by 6 strong men.

  12. Hire new people asap and get creative by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    some interesting & revealing quotes:
    "I sure wouldn't take that job," "It only has a downside."

    "It's been a mess for over four years, and hopefully the new folks will fix this,"

    "In the previous incarnation, DHS and the Homeland Security Council didn't really know what to do with cyber--it's been a deer-in-the-headlights experience for them,"

    "Cybersecurity clearly fell off the radar screen when they set up the department, and the department is trying to find its way,"

    "the nation is applying Band-Aids, rather than developing the inherently more secure information technology that our nation requires."

    Sounds like a good place for hackers/security experts to get a job, they should be giving large bonuses/salaries & get creative in order to recruit people ASAP and get them out of this mess. Try a new path...what do we have to lose?

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    1. Re:Hire new people asap and get creative by clevershark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they should be giving large bonuses/salaries & get creative in order to recruit people ASAP and get them out of this mess Of course since we're talking security-related government jobs they'll pay bottom dollar (practically poverty wages in high-cost markets like New York) and be incredibly invasive in terms of privacy.

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  13. Phillipine Intelligence Agencies by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1
    Have opeatives with secured White House computer access! What's Phillipine GNP? How 'enabled' are their foreign intelligence services?

    Whoopie! Maybe Haiti will have a mole in the NSA?

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    1. Re:Phillipine Intelligence Agencies by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      What's Phillipine GNP?

      Or, more importantly, what's the Philippine GNP?

    2. Re:Phillipine Intelligence Agencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The top position has been vacant since Liscouski quit in January. In July, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff pledged to fill the post but has not named a successor."

      "Have opeatives with secured White House computer access!"

      Is that how he made his fortune? Supplying opiated staff? Or oppiating supplies?

      If I could make a profit from a failed business venture, I too would ruin for President.

      Anonymous?

      MOI?

      Aptly the scrambled code that allows me to pour this tipe onto your screen is: "poorer".

      Where did all these red dots come from?

    3. Re:Phillipine Intelligence Agencies by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 1

      For 2005 Q2: US$25 billion (1,399,077 million PhP - source).

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  14. Reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot: News articles not so news-worthy?

  15. the ownership vs. threat info gap by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful
    One core problem is that the people that regulate cybersecurity don't own the infrastructure. This means they have little hope of understanding how real-world privately-owned (and vulnerable) networks operate. The flip side is that the government people that might have intelligence data on cybersecurity threats won't share that info with the people that actually own and operate the networks.

    One group (govt) may understand the threat, but is clueless on the operations side. The other group (owers) don't have the classified intelligence data on the threat, but do know the operations side of the network.

    Until the two sides share both info and operations knowledge, cybersecurity isn't possible.

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  16. Who wants a top-down solution anyway? by Quadraginta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Goodness, who wants the Federal government to be responsible for general IT security in this country? I mean, let's just think carefully through the kind of power over the network they'd need (or say they need) to be given to achieve it.

    Brrr.

    1. Re:Who wants a top-down solution anyway? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I'll believe it when they get their own house in order. Until then, they can keep their sticky paws off my network.

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    2. Re:Who wants a top-down solution anyway? by sunwolf · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about vigilante cybersecurity? While arguably effective, it tends to get people in trouble (registration required...article now a premium). As a summary, in his spare time, some guy went after a group of Chinese hackers code-named Titan Rain who were stealing government data. He handed information off to the Feds, and was consequently fired from his high-profile security job and even placed under suspicion of aiding Titan Rain by...you guessed it, the Federal Government.

      Don't get me wrong...I'm all for vigilantism. But I'm rather surprised at this /. article's incredulous tone in the face of the US's history.

    3. Re:Who wants a top-down solution anyway? by quentin_quayle · · Score: 1

      TFA: "the nation is applying Band-Aids, rather than developing the inherently more secure information technology that our nation requires."

      The popular + IT/tech press: more and more statements like this lately...

      Quadraginta above: "Goodness, who wants the Federal government to be responsible for general IT security in this country? I mean, let's just think carefully through the kind of power over the network they'd need (or say they need) to be given to achieve it."

      Put the clues together, here. Or maybe it's just me, but it seems as if there is gradually increasing propaganda building to support something like the so-called "trusted computing" scheme being foisted on the computer industry under the pretext of "security".

      We should all be *glad* these bureaucrats are ineffective.

      "Be very glad that your PC is insecure - it means that after you buy it, you can break into it and install whatever software you want. What you want, not what Sony or Warner or AOL wants."
      -- John Gilmore, quoted in Ross Anderson, Security Engineering, p. 413.

    4. Re:Who wants a top-down solution anyway? by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      I dunno, it'd be nice to see the govt. push some basic standards.

      "And there fhalle be no portf open by default."

      or something.

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    5. Re:Who wants a top-down solution anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      who wants the Federal government to be responsible

      That's easy... the federal government. Here's a related exercise: who wants Wal-Mart to be the biggest retailer in the world?

      let's just think carefully through the kind of power over the network they'd need

      Precisely.

      to achieve it

      Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I don't think success is the objective here.

  17. culture of corruption == incompetence by opencity · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    While the Bushies are poster boys for complete corrupt criminality, the problem runs deeper. As Americans (I can't speak for the rest of the world but our standard of living is high enough that we have little (less) excuse), we take very little personal responsability for anything.

    Katrina was my main objection to nuclear power writ large. While I think fission is one of the better options for power generation, the culture of bureaucracy that has rotted the health and education sectors would most likely fail spectacularly during a crisis at a power plant. During a meltdown, political hacks would rush around covering their own asses while citizens - with air conditioners, automobiles and endless electricity needs - would scream that there was no planning to take care of them and that it was their birthrite to work 35 easy hours a week with iPods strapped to their heads.

    And then before the next election, there would be a terror alert, and we'd vote for the same criminal gang that has been looting the country, on and off, for 25 years. As opposed to some other criminal gang that doesn't loot as much. And go back to watching TV and reading ... slashdot(?)

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  18. DHS bit off more than they can chew by KerberosKing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All year long, they have had no one at the helm for cybersecurity. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Let's take a job that many different agencies struggled to keep up with before, then add the requirement that they all reorganize into DHS, where instead of computer security being their number one focus, it is one of many concerns. I would bet the funding for DHS compsec is less than the total spent by the seperate agency committees. There is only so much you can save by pooling resources, and I would agrue it gets lost when you have to compete for attention with WMDs, IEDs and other serious physical security threats.

    1. Re: DHS bit off more than they can chew by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > All year long, they have had no one at the helm for cybersecurity. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Let's take a job that many different agencies struggled to keep up with before, then add the requirement that they all reorganize into DHS, where instead of computer security being their number one focus, it is one of many concerns. I would bet the funding for DHS compsec is less than the total spent by the seperate agency committees. There is only so much you can save by pooling resources, and I would agrue it gets lost when you have to compete for attention with WMDs, IEDs and other serious physical security threats.

      The DoHS was created by our politicians as a way of telling us that they were taking care of us after 9/11. Having a system that actually worked was a secondary consideration - if it was a consideration at all.

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  19. Not just "unqualified" but also "political". by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Unqualified" can be handled by becoming qualified.

    "Unqualified" can be handled by finding and hiring qualifed assistants / advisors / etc.

    What we have is a situation where an unqualified person is put in charge of an agency and spends his/her time there working on his/her political connections using the agency's resources. So, over time, the agency is less capable of handling its mission than it was when that person started.

    But that's how our current politicians reward those who've helped them get into office. And it's not likely to change.

    1. Re:Not just "unqualified" but also "political". by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Hiring advisors does not make one qualified. At some point, he will need ot decide which advisor to listen to, and to do that he needs to be qualified enough to judge the relative value of their advice. Unless he has some senior officer who does all that work for him- in which case, that senior officer ought to be runnign the show.

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    2. Re: Not just "unqualified" but also "political". by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > "Unqualified" can be handled by becoming qualified.

      Yeah, that's why on my job applications I always put "CEO" in the "Position applying for" field.

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  20. A history of unfavorable gov't security reports by sczimme · · Score: 4, Informative


    Much of the Federal government has a sub-optimal track record in the security arena. In March of 2004 Rick Forno published an article (with links) that summarized Uncle Sam's security issues:

    The farce of federal cybersecurity

    (That's the title Rick used, btw.)

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  21. They run windows by NaCh0 · · Score: 0

    And are staffed with lowest bidders. Is anyone surprised?

  22. Of course, they are not ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    NSA and CIA disallowed any Windows based products in house except for unsecured desktop boxes and as a upfront web server (but they are simply traps). Now they are under extreme pressure from "above" to allow Windows and windows products in-house, no matter what the security costs are. When politicians make decisions, and not the experts, then we end up with 9/11s. After all, that is exactly what 9/11 and Iraqi invasion were.

    1. Re:Of course, they are not ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You unfortunately have no idea what you're talking about

    2. Re:Of course, they are not ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As of 9 months, the condition that I described was the situation for the last 4 years. That is, for 3 years, the NSA/CIA would not take any Windows based products except for desktop/unsecured systems. But about 14 months, they came under intense external pressure to accept Windows based products.

    3. Re:Of course, they are not ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As one who has worked for NSA and still works as a contractor for them, I can assure you that they have been using Windows systems for years on their classified networks. In fact, until recently, it was like pulling teeth to get approval to use a Linux system.

  23. wish they would stop using the word "cyber" by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    honestly, wtf is the point of this department anyway. shouldn't it be the responsiblity of each organisation to secure it's own IT? there doesn't seem to be much need for this. i mean what do they do all day? the FBI is already the ones who investigate crimes, CIA keeps and eye on things outside your borders. seems like a big fucking waste of money.

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    1. Re:wish they would stop using the word "cyber" by sinewalker · · Score: 1
      seems like a big fucking waste of money
      I think you've hit upon it there, litterally. I believe the word "cyber" was coined by AI researchers for the ability of computers to interact with humans, either via a human interface, or by acting human. Later, it turned more towards embedding computers into humans as a form of prosthetic (a la "$6 millon man") or to build composite computer-humans (cyborg).

      Lately I think the US "cyber security" push has one of these aims:

      • To control cyborg's access to the net?
      • To curb "cyberterrorism" -- the attack on America by those cyborgs?
      • To promote safe use of teledildonics within federal agencies, a sort of "monica lewinsky" protocol aimed at avoiding future political embarrasments.

      Obviously, the most likely of these is the third aim... ;-)

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    2. Re: wish they would stop using the word "cyber" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1
      > wish they would stop using the word "cyber"

      You are so cyber-right about that!

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  24. same ole same ole by argoff · · Score: 1

    In IT or economics, the rules are the same. Government doesn't provide security, freedom provides security - in this case meaning free software. I know this will come as a shocker for some people, but the copyright incentive system that government promotes by it's vary nature incentivises poor security too. Solve that problem and the security problem will solve itself.

  25. Common sense, does it exist? by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Insightful

    9/11 was preventable. We got pwned by leaving the cockpit doors open even though it was "common" knowledge that the most effective way to thwart hijackings was to NEVER let the bad guys take control of the airplane. If they can manage to crash it, or kill every passenger, so be it. El Al figured this out in the 70's, yet the FAA was too fucking stupid to pay attention.

    Similarly, the Bush administration ignored the valuable information it received from Richard Clarke and even their own Condoleezza Rice. Their motives are unknown, but it's worth considering that maybe they wanted a war from the beginning. The cost can be measured in the trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives.

    Hurricane Katrina was an act of nature. Maybe it was a side effect of intelligent design, but that doesn't matter. The lesson is that valuable information was ignored. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that category 3 levees won't hold a category 5 storm. A stomping wonder horse could have saved more lives than the horse judge BushCo put in charge of FEMA.

    Cybersecurity is nothing to joke about, yet the one company which has been responsible for the most damage has already been given a walk for other serious crimes. This government will do nothing to make them act responsibly. MS isn't the only one, but they are the prime example. Banks are another obvious concern, but I don't think the Feds will keep them in control now any more than they did during the S&L scandal of the 80's. We shouldn't be surprised. Bush is a family man, and his family has historically put their own interests above those of the USA.

    1. Re:Common sense, does it exist? by rossifer · · Score: 1

      9/11 was preventable. We got pwned by leaving the cockpit doors open even though it was "common" knowledge that the most effective way to thwart hijackings was to NEVER let the bad guys take control of the airplane. If they can manage to crash it, or kill every passenger, so be it. El Al figured this out in the 70's, yet the FAA was too fucking stupid to pay attention.

      Though I agree with your points, it's important to realize that there are other contributing factors to both the hijacking and why cockpit doors weren't secure. On the cockpit door, another contributing factor was the the pilot's union objected to a secure cockpit door on the argument that it would slow down emergency egress from the cockpit.

      IMHO, the other big factor on airplane security in general is that the general public had been told for decades that in the event of a hijacking, to not resist and let government/police negotiators secure their release. This type of passive response to violence is commonly advised by lots of uninvolved people for lots of situations (it's bad advice for pretty much each and every case), but the old advice on hijacking doesn't seem to get much airtime these days. The people on flight 56 figured out the real deal when they called home and the ability of hijackers to use a plane as a weapon ended within minutes.

      Today, I think that airport security could hand out loaded pistols to the three most suspicious characters on the jetway and you'd still never see another 9/11-type takeover. The passengers simply wouldn't let it happen. I sure as hell wouldn't...

      Regards,
      Ross

  26. That was known years ago. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was a plot to fly a plane into the Eiffel Tower. We've known planes were considered as weapons for years.

    But planes are physical objects. They cause physical damage. Normal, healthy people can be killed from physical damage.

    What's the very worst that can happen if the Internet goes down?

    That's not a rhetorical question. Think of the worst situation you can and then think of whether it would be better/safer to not have the Internet connected to whatever it is. Nuclear plant cyber-attack? Why have them on the 'net in the first place? Dam flooding a town? Same thing.

    The first thing any "cybersecurity czar" should be doing is making sure that the potential for damage is reduced.

    If the worst thing that they can do is to steal your identify and money online, then you're "safe" in that it won't kill you or physically cripple you.

    But that takes thought and expertise in evaluating the real threat.

    1. Re:That was known years ago. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Informative
      There was a plot to fly a plane into the Eiffel Tower. We've known planes were considered as weapons for years.
      Yeah, and unlike 9/11, the french managed to foil that plot. (And the french warned the US in advance of 9/11 but they didn't listen).
    2. Re:That was known years ago. by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1
      What's the very worst that can happen if the Internet goes down?

      Somebody somewhere panics and shoots off a bunch of nuclear missiles. Billions die, but I survive.

      Now it's a race to see if I die from radiation or starvation. Good thing I have all this extra body fat. Once that's gone, I'll have the corpses of my family and my pets to eat.

      Dang, radiation sickness really sucks. The other survivors all have it too, so I'm able to successfully fight them off for my share of the remnants of society.

      Finally, after six months, I am too weak to defend myself, and am devoured alive by rodents.

      I wake up. What? It's October 10th again? Look, it's just like the movie Groundhog Day, but lasting six months. Six terrible, terrible months. Forever.

    3. Re:That was known years ago. by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      'cybersecurity' isn't just about the internet.

      It's about keeping the computer that run things safe, whether or not they are on the internet.

      Granted, in most cases they can be made safe by removing remote access and restricting physical access to them.

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    4. Re:That was known years ago. by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "What's the very worst that can happen if the Internet goes down?"

      For the sake of argument, let's assume that it wouldn't cost any lives. It could easily cost tens or hundreds of billions of dollars. This is where logic breaks down for most people. They are unwilling to equate lives to dollars. But lives *are* dollars, and dollars *are* lives. That's the whole purpose of money, to serve as a paper representation of the everything a person needs and can hope to achieve in his life. Dollars buy medicine, food, shelter and clothing. Look at society as a single organism and ask yourself whether it would be better off losing a few fingers, or dying slowly of malnutrition.

    5. Re:That was known years ago. by grimwell · · Score: 1

      Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta told the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission) Friday that, prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, aviation security officials had not considered that a hijacker might commandeer an airplane for any reason other than taking hostages.
      "I don't think we ever thought of an airplane being used as a missile," Mineta declared. Link to story

      There was a plot to fly a plane into the Eiffel Tower. We've known planes were considered as weapons for years.

      Planes as weapons, you say? Now that thar is a novel idea.

      What's the very worst that can happen if the Internet goes down?

      I don't know. But during times of extreme emergency, the internet seems to be the best way of communicating. Look at Katrina and 9-11. In both cases the 'net was invaluable. If the 'net goes down, you lose an extermely useful tool. Call me selfish but like I have as many tools available as possible.

      If the worst thing that they can do is to steal your identify and money online, then you're "safe" in that it won't kill you or physically cripple you.

      Lack of money can kill you. Just ask that guy holding the "will work for food" sign. Other examples: No cash to get out of a hurricane's way. No cash to get the meds you need; maybe something as simple as an ephren(sp?) shot for an allergic reaction to a bee sting or just insulin or even just penicillin. Maybe that stolen identity incident completely fubar'd your medical records or medical insurance. That too could kill you. Fubar'd medical records, maybe you got the wrong blood type during a transfusion or got a medication you are allergic to. The world is a deadly place, you'll never get out alive. ;)

      I agree that if it doesn't need 'net access it shouldn't have it. But that doesn't stop it from happening. Employees at Nuclear Plants are going to have email access. Probably even web access. I'll even venture as far as to say some have laptops which are used outside of the plant. There are plenty of vectors for bad code to get at something. The "industrial west" is an information society, moving bits from point A to B as quickly as possible is the primary moviator, security is an after-thought at best.

      The "cybersecurity czar"(what is the with the nazi sounding Homeland Security dept and a russian nobility title? Is someone taunting us?) doesn't really have any power. It is just a nice title to make people feel safe, knowing they have someone to blame when it all goes to crap. Nuclear plants are private industry. Only Congress thru an act of law can force them to do or not do something.

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      If the govt becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law, it invites man to become his own law, it invites anarchy
    6. Re:That was known years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, have a very vivid imagination.

    7. Re:That was known years ago. by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      "We've known planes were considered as weapons for years."

      Exactly so!

      Prior to the first Gulf War when Saddam bin Laden invaded Kuwait and King George 1st retaliated, the Islamic Republic of Iran was busy making mischief in the Persian Gulf -- mining the waterways used by the oil tankers sailing out of Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, as well as threatening the NATO ships in the region with Chinese supplied Silkworm missles. The US Navy shot down an Iranian commercial aircraft over the Persian Gulf because it was percieved as a threat against the Sixth Fleet's aircraft carriers. As it turned out, it was not a "manned flying bomb" but an airplane full of pilgrams to Mecca.

      Any mumbo-jumbo from the USA's top politicians and bureaucrats about "not understanding" the potential risk of commercial aircraft piracy is pure, unadulterated bullshit. It all boiled down to (a) incompetence, (b) the risk-cost equation, and (c) providing a new "Pearl Harbor" to justify shredding the Bill of Rights and consolidate power in the Executive branch. 9/11/2001 provided the perfect excuse for these fascists to sieze power.

      Your other point about a valid rationale to establish voluntary Federal guidelines for cybersecurity is also on target, except for the fact that the Department of Homeland Security has proven itself to be an oxymoron. DHS is incapable of providing border or seaport security, or of providing a rapid response to man-made or natural disasters, let alone provide the shining example of secure and integrated IT.

      Bureaucracy is bad enough without interference from "Tammany Hall" style political nepotism, especially when tempered with an unhealthy dose of absolute incompetence.

  27. Authority grab is the problem by keraneuology · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The problem isn't political appointments, inept federal chiefs or any political leanings or biases. The problem is the the federal government has no business in being in charge of domestic response. Response to a local emergency or disaster is, and must remain the domain of the local authorities who can be held accountable for their preparation and performance - or lack thereof.

    FEMA can do nothing but react to an event and throw more debt at the problem. Unfortunately this leads to problems down the road - not only does it push the federal government closer to insolvency - but it leads to all kinds of expectations on the part of locals who develop the "we'll just sit back and wait for the calvary" mentality. Not only this, but you end up with gross inequity in the response: federal dollars to New Orleans for Katrina are already about 5 times the aid sent to Florida for four hurricanes combined. FEMA has given out some $600,000,000 in "emergency cash disbursements" so far, with many people upset that only the first 10,000 or so were given $2,000 cash cards. New Hampshire recently saw a few hundred people flooded out and it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if some of them file lawsuit under the equal protection clause asking for $2,000 cash cards, FEMA-paid apartments around the country and the like.

    Local emergencies should be handled by city, the county, the state and then the federal. In that order. And the federal should not be allowed to call any of the shots: they should provide resources only but all decisions should be made by the local leaders.

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    If the g'vt kept the data on you that google does you'd better believe you'd be calling it "doing evil"
    1. Re:Authority grab is the problem by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      I really do not think you are right. But, independently of that, do you seriously believe that anyone will buy into "they should provide resources only but all decisions should be made by the local leaders."?

    2. Re:Authority grab is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your idea is preposterous. A disaster by its nature often overwhelms local resources no matter what planning has taken place. Many local leaders don't know dick about dealing with disasters. If an earthquake hits San Francisco the day after a new mayor takes office, will he be able to handle it? Not likely. The head of FEMA should have known how to deal with disasters, but didn't. There's the real source of the problem.

      By your proposal every single locality in the United States needs to have experts in disaster preparedness even though the likelihood is that it could be centuries between disasters for any give locality. It's ridiculous on it's face to believe that any locality could keep up an adequate level of readiness under those conditions. What happens when an unanticipated disaster occurs?

      The other issue is that all the money being thrown around by GW isn't for disaster relief for Hurricane Katrina, it's to cover his exposed rear end after his pathetic lack of leadership. It's clear he's willing to promise any amount of our money for his damage control.

    3. Re:Authority grab is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Everyone knew. The $140 million it would have taken to build up the levees should have been paid for locally, but it was an Army Corps project (all dams are, and have been since various late 1800's disasters), so it needed Federal dollars to make it happen. Instead the feds spent hundreds of millions of dollars building museums and such in New Orleans.

      Given that the city should never have existed in the first place, and neither the local nor federal governments were competent to harden it against a known disaster (the eventual Category 5 storm), it *really* shouldn't be rebuilt. It'll just be another disaster waiting to happen. Plus, it will cost a lot. Money that could harden all the other not-yet-destroyed cities against whatever disasters are facing them. The $150 billion dollars it's estimated to rebuild New orleans could provide extensive disaster preparedness to a lot of other cities.

    4. Re:Authority grab is the problem by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1
      it leads to all kinds of expectations on the part of locals who develop the "we'll just sit back and wait for the calvary" mentality.

      Typo? Perhaps not.

      Local emergencies should be handled by city, the county, the state and then the federal. In that order.

      In fact, that is how it is handled, more or less.

    5. Re:Authority grab is the problem by keraneuology · · Score: 1
      I really do not think you are right.

      The difference between Madison's federalists and Jefferson's anti-federalists. I believe in a weak federal government under the theory that there is less accountability at the federal level which makes abuse easier and more widespread.

      do you seriously believe that anyone will buy into "they should provide resources only but all decisions should be made by the local leaders."?

      Do I believe they will buy into this? No. Just a beautiful dream.

      --
      If the g'vt kept the data on you that google does you'd better believe you'd be calling it "doing evil"
    6. Re:Authority grab is the problem by lifeblender · · Score: 1

      Local emergencies should be handled by city, the county, the state and then the federal. In that order.

      I'm not really sure that I agree with this. The major efforts to rebuild New Orleans were conducted by Army engineers, and military hardware was a big part of multiple efforts. It's not appropriate to turn over control of military hardware and manpower to local authorities, given that a great amount of coordination is needed to use available tools most efficiently. That in turn means that some central authority, possibly military, possibly not, is needed for coordinating the military's assistance.

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      Playing pornographics games during the day is evil! Play at night!
    7. Re:Authority grab is the problem by keraneuology · · Score: 1

      Why is the army being used to rebuild private enterprise?

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      If the g'vt kept the data on you that google does you'd better believe you'd be calling it "doing evil"
  28. Becoming qualified makes you qualified. by khasim · · Score: 2, Informative
    Unless he has some senior officer who does all that work for him- in which case, that senior officer ought to be runnign the show.
    And that used to be the way these things were run. The head of the agency was a political appointee. But s/he had long term professionals working for him/her. Those professionals worked for multiple administrations and were not involved in the political games. They did their jobs and were the experts in their fields.

    Check TFA and you'll see where it's talking about those professionals leaving now.
  29. From engineers to police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It used to be computer engineers who made computer networks secure. Now it's the police. How stupid.

  30. fear mongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone wants a raise and a bigger budget.

  31. Checklist for fixing ALL cybersecurity problems by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    All the Federal Government needs to do is print out the following checklist and go through it. The same for every corporation. If you can get all of these things accomplished, I can pretty much guarantee you'll be immune to any existing attack method short of physical compromise.


    • Ban .rhosts files. Totally. Sack and/or excommunicate those who use them. There are much more secure ways to have zero-password logins for automatic connections. If using an unencrypted network, ban RSH, RLOGIN and Telnet - use SSH instead. If using IPSec with host authentication by certificates, then you've already got the authentication and encryption covered, so unsecure protocols can be used there.
    • Different channels should get different access rights. Unsecure channels should NEVER have access to secure data. Unsecure channels should NEVER be used to create secure channels, as that is a common point of attack.
    • All servers with confidential data (credit card info, corporate data, missile plans, etc) should have some form of Mandatory Access Control at an absolute minimum, with such data unreachable from ANY combination of program and user other than those combinations specifically designated as having access. For Linux, you're wanting to look at SELinux or GRSecurity. Ideally, you want a B1-compliant OS at a minimum for commercially sensitive data and a B3-certified OS for Government work. Such servers should NOT be directly reachable, they should be accessed ONLY by intermediate servers. As such, we don't care about holes so much (as nobody should be able to reach them) - rather, we care about operations we're specifically allowing users to perform and making sure THOSE are bullet-proof.
    • All intermediate servers should be damn-near 100% free of security holes. We don't care about access controls for these, as they don't have any data. They're merely front-ends. However, because they're first in line for any cyber-attack, they need to be as close to immune from such attacks as possible. THIS is an ideal place for OpenBSD or MirBSD systems.
    • You should have two firewalls in series, pointing in opposite directions, at the entranceway. You want to control what comes into the network, but you ALSO want to control what comes out. That part is often forgotten, and THAT is why many network security strategies fail.
    • Active NIDS systems and authentication systems should live in parallel to the two firewalls. You want them to be able to shut down BOTH firewalls, should EITHER firewall be compromised, which means you have to have direct connections to both. Otherwise, the compromised firewall can simply block your instructions.
    • Servers that should NOT be reachable from the outside should NOT be on a LAN that is visible to the outside. If they need to connect to each other, use a private LAN.
    • If using a centralized authentication system, use Kerberos V. DO NOT use NT domains, NIS+, or any other such method.
    • Since the internal network is likely on private addresses, it would be better to use IPv6 and then have proxies map communication onto IPv4 for the outside world. The reason? It'll seriously bugger up those attack scripts that assume IPv4. It'll also make zombies that do reach the inside ineffective, as many of those will assume IPv4 as well. If IPv4 is not being carried, such software will break.
    • We've defined three types of LAN so far - one LAN inside the firewall connecting to proxy servers, one LAN for secure servers, and bridging LANs linking secure servers to proxies. We need one further network, this time for users. This LAN ONLY connects to the proxy servers. As those can see the outside world, we can use them as proxies to see the outside as much as those on the outside can use them to see the inside.


    If the Department of Homeland Paranoia were to implement such a system, I feel confident they'd score an A on their next evaluation, and would be as close to invulnerable as you can be using a computational system. People may disagee - and probably will - but I'd like to know where they think they'd be able to break in.

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    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  32. If they're really "responsible", why not? by khasim · · Score: 1

    But by "responsible" I mean "It's your ass that gets fined/fired/jailed if there's a problem".

    I don't mean just saying "I take responsiblity".

    Responsiblity means that you pay the consequences.

    If someone cracks my systems at work and gets away with customer data, I'm the one they fire. I'm "responsible". But I don't see anyone in our government actually being "responsible". That's the whole purpose of bureaucracy. The "responsibility" is diffused until it doesn't exist in sufficient quantity with any one person for that person to bear any of the consequences.

  33. Re:culture of corruption == incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice way to get the Bush dig in there. While I do agree that Bush is the poster boy for corruptness, dont forget that both parties are a bunch of corrupt criminals. Do yourself a favor and stop being an idealogue. I give this post a 2/10 on the troll factor.

  34. The problem with Federal computer security by brennz · · Score: 1

    The problem is too much duplicate effort, and the wrong people in charge of things.

    NIST, part of commerce, has come out with good documentation on information security. They have also created guides on host OS security duplicating NSA & DISA efforts.

    DISA, an agency within DOD, is the proponent for the Security Technical Implementation Guides (STIGs). These STIGs are the best, most updated guides on technical security within the US govt, and mandatory for DOD components.

    NSA, an agency within DOD, is the proponent for the Security Recommendation Guides (SRGs).

    DHS has created???????? They fund stuff from other agencies essentially.

    Until one agency within the fed that has the power to disconnect all agencies, reviews everyone's C&A documentation, standardizes security efforts, controls funding, then we'll have a woeful state within the US govt. It is just too balkanized.

  35. Homeland Non-Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homeland security was created to bring all the information gathered through all the intellegence agencys into one place so that we as a nation could better fight the outside influences that are just poised and waiting to tear down American. Because we all know how these people hate us Americans because of our Freedom. And you know who you are.

    And after hearing what this government agency was designed to do is anyone suprised to hear that it is ineffective? More government agencies and governing bodies does not equate to more effective or efficent intellegence decimation. If the FBI, CIA, and the NSA cannot seam to communicate information back and forth and then analyze it, how is throwing another agency (Homeland Security) going to change this?

    Truth be told, America already has more than enough Government to Protect its interests. To bad the Government cannot seam to focus on America! Really what should have happened after Sept 11th is not the creation of more government bodies. But fewer government bodies with the focus being on the protection of American interests. Someone should have lost thier job over the fiasco of Sept 11th, People should have lost thier jobs after the bumbling of hurrican Katrina relief efforts (and not this pansy assed stepping down, and somone should get fired for not being on top of cyber security of US interests.

    We would be better off disolving Homeland security and hiring a private company to do the same work. At least if they screwed it up we could always go shopping for a better company.

    1. Re:Homeland Non-Security by sinewalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually I would say that Homeland Security is all about enforcing the US Government's control over it's own people, and a prime example of the Freedom that most US Citizens NO LONGER HAVE. Witness:

      * The DMCA
      * The PATRIOT act
      * The increasing biocontrols at air and sea ports
      * Mandatory fingerprints for all US citizens entering or leaving the country
      * The scary ability that US police shows portray of any US citizen being seconds away from a database search, and the apparent acceptance by Hollywood that this is normal and good
      * Unjustified arrests of Americans at protests
      * Unexplained (and probably unjust) deportations of Americans from other countries, for apparent civil disobedience.

      Homeland Security has done nothing about the safety of US Citizens because it is not really about that (that's just the excuse). It is in response to terrorism launched by naturalised americans against America.

      I am not an American. I am living in a country that also enjoys the same Freedom by Constitutional right that Americans worship, only for Australia it was done without a war and without ammendments. I feel sorry for Americans as I watch their freedom being erroded by a runaway dictator president who was not even elected by the People of America. I feel shocked that so many Americans feel that they are still "the land of the free". And I watch in horror as my own country follows that same path.

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      “Our opponent is an alien starship packed with nuclear bombs. We have a protractor.” — Neal Stepnenso
    2. Re:Homeland Non-Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the biggest threat to Australia is our own government. We have a Prime Minister who gets around our constitution by bullying the states into doing what he wants, or he withholds federal funding. Yet nobody stands up says anything. The constitution is VERY specific on what is a federal area of authority. If it isn't in the list, it's a state area.

    3. Re:Homeland Non-Security by dennypayne · · Score: 1

      While on the whole I agree with your sentiments, your statement below is incorrect:

      * Mandatory fingerprints for all US citizens entering or leaving the country

      Fingerprinting is only required of non-citizens entering the country under the US-VISIT program. I'm not even sure all countries have to do this.

      Denny

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      Erecting the wall of separation between church and state is absolutely essential in a free society. - Thomas Jefferson
  36. DHS has no Emergency Response Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, you heard right. Zippo....nada...nothing. They have NO plan. Imagine a corporation as large as the US Govt. having no plan. Gives me the warm and fuzzies thinking about it. I wonder if they even have CIRT/CERTs, but one would gather that they don't.

    They covered this topic in the recent Information Security magazine if anyone wants to check it out.

  37. Re:culture of corruption == incompetence by opencity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >While I do agree that Bush is the poster boy for corruptness, dont forget that both parties are a bunch of corrupt criminals.

    I'm a lesser evilist. No love for the DLC, but they are significantly easier on the long term health of the country and the standard of living of the lower income 99% of the population. Pop quiz: Who balanced the Federal budget and in what year? Question 2: Under which post WWII administration was the most national debt accumulated?

    > Do yourself a favor and stop being an idealogue.

    Why stop being an idealogue? I don't blindly accept dishwater corporate Democratic party me-to-ism, kneejerk lefty utopianism, sectarian rightwing culture warring or highschool libertarianism.

    So if I complain about Clinton cheating on his wife I'm a patriot, if I complain about out of control cronyism or Haliburton overchages I'm (supporting the terrorists) an idealogue? The 'conservative' movement since Ronald Reagan is completely morally bankrupt (and not very conservative except socially).

    > I give this post a 2/10 on the troll factor.

    It's a start. I'll try harder next time. Why did the Bush dig get on your nerves? You vote for that idiot and the continued looting of the US and now have buyer remorse? Or should we stick to tech here in which case I USE FLASH (let the flame war begin)

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    Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.
  38. Let's Save Time by Goo.cc · · Score: 1

    and list was Homeland Security is prepared for.

    1. Re:Let's Save Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, tell us already! What is it prepared for???

    2. Re:Let's Save Time by Goo.cc · · Score: 1

      Well, they are real good at tracking the movements of non-terrorists.

  39. Devastating Human Suffering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    cybersecurity aside, it turns out that DHS didn't have a bio-attack response plan in place either.

    WASHINGTON -- President Bush, stirring debate on the worrisome possibility of a bird flu pandemic, suggested dispatching American troops to enforce quarantines in any areas with outbreaks of the killer virus.

    Bush asserted aggressive action could be needed to prevent a potentially crippling U.S. outbreak of a bird flu strain that is sweeping through Asian poultry and causing experts to fear it could become the next deadly pandemic. Citing concern that state and local authorities might be unable to contain and deal with such an outbreak, Bush asked Congress to give him the authority to call in the military.

  40. /~1234/index.html by Hal9000_sn3 · · Score: 1

    What a coincidence, that is where I keep my briefcase.

  41. they need to be prepared for an emergency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A cyberterrorist attack could hit any moment. DHS needs to have the following items on hand to distribute:

    1,000,000 emergency email clients
    100,000 fast-deploying RSS readers
    5,000,000 excel-compatible spreadsheets (they might have to tap foreign companies to produce this)
    20,000,000 Windows-compatible operating systems
    plenty of duct tape

    Thankfully, DHS has already executed several successful evacuation drills:

    1) with coordination from the major tier-1 ISPs, we can evacute up to 1 terabyte per day from the major population centers. (including packets with damaged headers .. however some with expired TTL's may have to be left behind).

    2) basic instant messaging services can be brought back on line within 8 hours. (full emoticon graphics after 10).

    3) they even have a backup supply of viruses and malware which, thanks to the assistance of Microsoft Corporation, can be deployed in approximately 15 minutes so that knowledge workers can "feel at home" during difficult times.

    Not to mention a team of professionally trained counselors to comfort those who feel lost and helpless without their Lotus Notes.

    I'm sure with more planning and understanding, and working with the private sector, DHS can make us all feel a little safer from a cyberterrorist attack.

  42. What is their purpose? by __aajwxe560 · · Score: 1

    I read the article, and am a sysadmin, and really, what purpose would such a position serve? Is there a specific job description of responsibilities for the position? The article indicates that the individual would "coordinate the response" to an Internet attack, but at what level do they start to become involved, and really, with as dynamic as the Internet is and companies continually coming and going, being bought out, etc., how would they constantly maintain communications with all the players? As soon as any company receives a denial of service, do they contact the individual in this position so they can see if its important enough to warrant a coordinated response? If so, does the person in the position receive thousands of emails daily from concerned sysadmin's and filter through this? And even if they warrant my situation critical, what are they going to do for me? I already have the contact info for my upstream provider, and certainly they will be one of the first people I will be calling and working with on my own. If it is a major issue, I would expect they would be working with their upstream provider, etc. And back to coordinating with specific companies - our company had an international corporate VPN solution through AT&T, and getting support on this was a stellar effort for all involved, as within AT&T itself they were often confused about what "group" owned the VPN solution, and it was a consistently major undertaking to find the group to get us any help. It sounds like a position with little purpose. Not that this would be surprising...

  43. User Education is an Unrealistic Fantasy by eepok · · Score: 1

    You know, I'm ALL for educating the user, but being in education, I know when and when it's not possible to teach.

    If it's a system of users on a network of a non-500 company, then mass education and mandatory training of employees just WILL NOT happen.

    So, what's the realistic answer? Real tech troubleshooters. Yes, real-- because there are plenty of admins out there that are so jaded with users that they won't even help them as much as they need to be helped.

    What is needed is a scramble crew of techies that know there way around windows like we all want our users to be. They should know how to get rid of viruses, spyware, install drivers, programs, back up, migrate, import/export, troubleshoot, etc. Common sense to us, but completely foreign to your standard user.

    Users do NOT have time to be techies. They don't have the drive to be techies.

    We don't expect NASCAR drivers to jump out of their cars when they go into a pitstop do we? No! There are professionals waiting and willing to fix the problems with a smile!

    SUMMARY: Yes, it would be nice to have educated users, but they won't be educated. Thus, we techies have to work around them. That's why techies are hired. Any techies that complain about ignorant users need to reread their job descriptions. If you don't like helping people with their shortcommings, you don't belong in tech.

    1. Re:User Education is an Unrealistic Fantasy by gravij · · Score: 1

      But the NASCAR driver has a drivers license and has been training for years to drive that car. Computer users on the otherhand don't have any training and are expected to be able to effectively use a piece of complex technology.

      Yes, techies are required when computers break down, exactly the same as mechanics fix broken cars.

      SUMMARY: People don't have innate knowledge of computers, just as they don't have have an innate ability to drive cars. Some training is definitely needed.

    2. Re:User Education is an Unrealistic Fantasy by eepok · · Score: 1

      By all means training is necessary. Unless you want an "INSIDE the computer?" moment. But what I was conveying is that there is too often a pattern of User-Hate from jaded techies when the techies forget that it is THEIR JOB to HELP people less knowledgable than they. All users should, and most do, know the basics, but give me a break. Quit the whining about having to follow your job description. Assume users know little, fix their stuff with a smile, and be worshipped like a genius. Yes, the admin CAN be loved!

  44. And when you inevitably fail ... by GringoGoiano · · Score: 1

    ... you still need recourse. You can't expect that all IT solutions will be 100% secure -- some engineer/administrator along the way will make a mistake. And worse, there's still the human element: even if you plug all the holes, those on the inside can still steal or misuse information stored on the very secure platforms.

    So what's the backup, that recourse? Log all events on your network: TCP/IP connections, transfer statistics, event logs, syslogs, web server logs, mail logs, DB logs, etc. Make sure you store those events in a central location and constantly analyze that information, in real-time, and historically. When you uncover a new possible exploit, build a rule to catch future occurrences, but even more important, look at the past to see who has used that exploit and prosecute their ass.

    Inevitably, this log centralization/aggregation costs money (how many GB/TB a day will a big corporation generate daily in logs?). A good solution: SenSage has a sophisticated log aggregator with compressed storage, blazing query speed, great real-time/historical analysis, and customers the likes of Yahoo, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Rockwell, Lockheed Martin, Fannie Mae, Australian DoD, US Census, etc.

  45. It isn't so much Microsoft as the method... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    A combination of no bid contracts and everybody else is doing it. Bids aren't just a pricetag, but a method of implementing goals. Without getting solution proposals how do you know you've gotten the best solution?

  46. Whose responsible? by gaanagaa · · Score: 1

    More like from the U.S. Depeartment Of We're Not Going To Tell You Anything You Didn't Already Know About Security

    No one cares about security until they get burned. Once burned the battle cry goes for awhile and fizzles as most don't give a rats ass about security beyond looking politically correct. It is why so many sites and users get hacked.

    And here is a hint, most get hacked from the inside out, that is - some twit loads a spyware or malicious program and claims ignorance when it happens. More like carelessness but management often overlooks it.

    Safe computing is like safe sex, use some precaution and don't be a slut and download everything you can click on.

  47. US changed or under panic? by gaanagaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    Am I the only person who is tired of the rhetoric "Since September 11th, each and every American's life has changed"? For those outside of the goverment, and particularly the military, has it really? Certainly we have mangled the Bill of Rights beyond recognition, but am I the only one whose reaction to the 2nd attack on the WTC was "well, it finally happened?" And the notion that using commercial airliners as weapons was unthought of? Given that Tom Clancy is a best selling author, the odds that no one in US security infrastructure read about that scenario is close to zero.

  48. You're Doin' a Heckuva Job, Brownie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The White House Staff will be renamed the Ministry of Truth. And the Department of Homeland Security will be renamed The Ministry of Love. Although it might be pronounced Mininistry of Love. Alternate names include Pompatus of Love. Remember, Big Bubba loves you!

  49. Appointments in other areas haven't been good by Animats · · Score: 1
    Well, what do you expect? Bush's appointments have been terrible across the board. His original economic advisers were mostly from Enron. His energy advisers were Cheney's buddies from the oil industry. His head of FEMA, well, we know about that bozo. In all those areas, the government is doing a poor job. Why should cybersecurity be doing better?

    It's a real problem. The President's key job is is appoint the top people in the federal government, about 3000 of them. That determines how well the Government works. This is not one of the better administrations in that area.

    It's not a party thing. Some presidents do a good job in this area, and some don't. Eisenhower was very good, Kennedy was good at it, Johnson was OK, Nixon was terrible, Ford wasn't around long enough to matter, Carter was mediocre, Reagan was spotty, Bush I was OK, Clinton was OK, and Bush II is terrible.

  50. Cybercore by bhav2007 · · Score: 1

    May be slightly off topic but...

    Has anybody else ever heard of the cybercore? Apparently, the U.S. government selected 6 (or 5?) schools to be part of their program to educate students to work as database security specialists for the government. Similiar to the army core, the government will pay for a few years of college in return for a few years of work.

    Sorry but I couldn't find any good links, although I know the University of Tulsa participates. Just wanted to point out a possible positive way that the government is responding to the lack of security experts.

  51. I'm not the CyricZ from GameFAQs. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not the CyricZ from GameFAQs. My name is Cyric Zndovzny. I think his name is Scott Zdankiewicz. We're different people. I am, however, a vocal opponent of the forums at their site. I found out about that site after somebody pointed out that he was also using the username I'm using here.

    In any case, the mainstream media puts up token opposition. But it's not true opposition in any way. I mean, does NBC really want to point out his flaws? Probably not, considering they're owned by General Electric. And General Electric is in the war industry. And Bush has perhaps been the greatest thing going for such industrialists, considering his interest in starting numerous wars.

    The media is neither conservative nor liberal. It's corporatist. And as such it won't act as the media should, truly questioning the government all of the time.

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    1. Re: I'm not the CyricZ from GameFAQs. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > In any case, the mainstream media puts up token opposition.

      And even that has only started in the past 6-8 months. For the most part the media has given GWB a free pass on account of 9/11. But he has taken advantage of it for too long, and the country's too obviously headed down the wrong path, so the media, the comedians, and even some of the Democrats are growing enough spine to make some feeble noises now and then.

      When the straw that breaks the camel's back comes along, there's going to be a shit-storm of pent up frustrations let loose.

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  52. Not sure about those comparisons. by SeaFox · · Score: 1
    The core of the problem is that users continue to not understand what they are doing or using. People expect things to "just work" and if it breaks they will have it fixed.

    I expect people pay for software/hardware with the idea what they are using should "just work" (assuming they are following the proper operating procedures). Maybe marketters should stop spreading this idea and be more realistic if it's not true.

    Many people treat their cars this way. They know how to drive them, but not how to fix them if they break down.

    Some reasons for this include:

    • Cars have become more complicated over time, the average "shade tree mechanic" has to dig through a mess of computer and emissons junk to get to the rods and pistons.
    • Car manufacturers don't want consumers to know how to fix them, they want them to bring the car back to the dealership and pay $60/hr labor (plus parts from their own parts dept, rather than another source that probably has the same thing for less) to get it fixed.
    • Some simply don't have the time to learn a new trade. They're a little busy working full-time jobs, raising families, and having constructive hobbies they enjoy.

    While I agree users need to be more educated about the operation of their computer equipment, until there are consequences for those who don't (like no internet access) I don't see how you're going to get anyone to play along. Why put forth the time and energy to be "properly trained" when you can do what you want right now just as easily. Wouldn't the average motorist be a worse driver if it wasn't illegal to drive without a valid license? People wouldn't try to operate their cars on roads by any set rules or guidence if there were no consequences for not doing so. That is exactly how computers are now.

  53. What else is new? by klept · · Score: 1

    I thought their being unprepared was a given

  54. MOD PARENT UP!!! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    That is one of the funniest comments I've read in a while.

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  55. Even CERT is cyber-hostile by rfc11fan · · Score: 1

    Now, if I wanted to serve as a central point for dissemination of highly important and urgent information to a world of computer experts, I'd probably provide an RSS or Atom feed, wouldn't you think? CERT (a subset of FEMA) doesn't. Why?

  56. This isn't a totalitarian socialist state by couch_warrior · · Score: 1

    Exsqueeze me? I can't seem to find the "protection from Hurricanes" clause in the Constitution. Or the Bill from Congress that made the Federal government responsible for plugging up the laundry list of security lapses in sMegmaSoft Windoze.
    Here's an idea, let's lobby for a bill that makes the use of Linux mandatory for all desktop computers that communicate over the internet.
    Oh, you didn't want the government to SOLVE the problem, you just want to bash the current administration.
    Here's a clue - the freedom to whine about your problems in a public forum is tightly coupled to a government that doesn't run your life for you - including kissing all your boo-boos and making them go away.

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  57. Re:culture of corruption == incompetence by legirons · · Score: 1

    "Or should we stick to tech here in which case I USE FLASH"

    If Flash plays on a filtered web browser with nothing to view it, is it really playing?

  58. This Isn't a Republican Fiefdom by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Sorry you missed the last few months here in America, but we just found out that the "current administration" destroyed our security infrastructure and left us vulnerable to an inevitable, long-predicted hurricane. Killing thousands in a preventable flood, destroying an essential port and one of America's oldest cities. While robbing us blind of our rights and money behind rhetoric of unlimited power in scrapping the old security systems. Which protected us from threats like this.

    You're the one who's whining. Echoing some long-discredited Republican talking points about "self reliance" and "socialism", and all kinds of nonsense about irrelevant laws about Linux. We've got laws about how FEMA protects us from threats, and your boys' FEMA collapsed into a total disaster. Read that Constitution, understand that you and I are "the people", and that we produce the government to protect us. Not the other way around, where whiners like you are created by a discredited government to protect them from people like me who can see the truth when it rips across the landscape in front of our eyes.

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  59. Fact free emotion , was-Re: Republican Fiefdom by couch_warrior · · Score: 1

    Dismantled our security system?
    The only thing that was dismantled was the $20M in funding for repairing the Mississippi river Levies that was diverted into building a Casino by the governor of Louisiana. The cries of distress at the lack of Federal aid for the resulting (as you say "preventable") flood were a smokescreen to cover for good old-fashioned political corruption.

    You actually assert that befoe the Bush adminstration, there was a "security system" that protected us from hurricanes? Are you delusional or just amazingly honesty-challenged?

    I lived in LA for 10 years (8 of which were during democratic presidential terms). The "safety net" for hurricanes was simply to run away, then come back and rebuild. No one came to help us out. We handled our own problems. We finally got fed up an left for good. Which is a lesson a lot of people need to learn. If you put yourself in harms way , no one owes it to you to protect you from the consequences of your foolishness. Walk in front of a bus, and it isn't the governments fault if you get hit.

    The severity of this Hurricane was unprecedented, and the magnitude of the damage was huge. But that doesn't somehow magically create prescience on the part of previous adminstrations because the crises they faced were small enough to deal with easily.

    Name one crisis, just one, in the US in the last 50 years that was anywhere near this magnitude, that democrats handled better....

    What would Al Gore have done differently, besides claiming to have invented the electric pump?

    You, my good sir, in spite of the vehemence of your attacks, are devoid of facts, and your assetions are just nonsensical.

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  60. Republican Serf Pipes Up by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    When I lived in New Orleans, in the first half of Bush Jr, we saw 2 F4-5 hurricanse just miss the city in one week. That year Bush responded to the Corps(e) of Engineers $70M levee budget request with $3M, which Congress boosted to only $5M. That $70M would have put the levees to the point where they would not as likely have been overwhelmed, or as much, after the 3 years of construction since. And the previous FEMA manager, DeWitt, actually knew how to run an emergency management agency, unlike Bush's crony, Brown.

    This was a total failure, by Bush and his crony administration. Those are the facts. Your nonsense about previous administrations, speculations about Gore (who? oh, the guy who used to be VP, when FEMA was reliable), are pure partisan emotion, and any facts therein are irrelevant. We're talking about how we're stuck with BUSH NOW. Your Republican apologies, hypothetical comparisons to people from several administrations ago, show that all you've got is the ability to steal elections, not run a country. So, yeah, I'm emotional: the fact is that your boys have fucked over Louisiana. And your cold bullshit about how that's OK because administrations almost a decade ago "got lucky", before Bush turned FEMA into a useless appendage of a catastrophic DHS, is sickening. Especially because the destruction of your home of a decade while it relied on your team of incompetents shows that you'd sell your grandma for a Bush contribution. That makes me emotional. That you don't care shows how much of a threat are you and your partisans.

    And now we'll stand by for the inevitable stories of how a "perfect Internet storm" destroyed America's cybersecurity, and how Bush is "responsible" for any mistakes that anyone his Republican government convicts that his Republican partisans like you don't forgive. Ah-nah-nay, gringo.

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