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PTO Eliminates "Technological Arts" Requirement

MdntToker writes to tell us that the Patent Board has issued an opinion which removes the existing procedure of rejecting patents under 35 U.S.C. 101 as outside of the "technological arts". From the article: "Our determination is that there is currently no judicially recognized separate "technological arts" test to determine patent eligible subject matter under 101. We decline to create one. Therefore, it is apparent that the examiner's rejection can not be sustained."

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  1. Geesh by quibbs0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who's going to jump on the patent that eliminates the process for processing the elimination of patent requirements?

    1. Re:Geesh by bedroll · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm just going to patent the process for due compensation of employee efforts by an employer.

      Then I'll be the only one who can pay my employees.

    2. Re:Geesh by looseBits · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think anyone is currently infringing on that.

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  2. Great by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Time to go patent all my fiction writings, before someone else does it.

    This is the dumbest thing I've ever even imagined. Just when you think it cannot possibly get any worse.

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  3. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I really have no idea what this means. And since I can't install linux on it, I'm gonna go back to surfing pr0n.

  4. Profit! by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think I'll patent the making of the "I have a patent on stupid patents" jokes that appear below.

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    1. Re:Profit! by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Funny

      The great thing is, NOW YOU CAN! They can't prove a joke is not a technological invention! And since they dismiss prior art in favor of patent whores all the time, the world is yours for the taking, thanks to our friends at the USPTO.

      Fortunately no one has yet patented "Going down to the patent office with a bat" so I won't owe anyone a nickel when I finally snap.

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  5. As a kid, I wondered... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...how it was that wrestlers could have "patented moves."

    I guess now they actually can. :\

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  6. This is an idea by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is an idea I wish I had patented. Imagine patenting the concept of patents before there was such thing as patents. The royalties from the patent office alone would be enough to retire on.

  7. This is a great step by oliverthered · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...In the direction of making patents completely and utterly useless.
    Now all they have to do is remove the prior art clauses and were in patent utopia.

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    1. Re:This is a great step by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod the parent up. As a system becomes ridiculous, it will be more and more ignored... the way people are already treating copyright.

      Copyright and the people who try to enforce copyright have become so comical that most normal people ignore it. They copy freely and to their hearts' content.

      "Surely that law only applies to criminals, and I'm no criminal!"

      "Oh, yes, it certainly does apply to you!" the RIAA says. "We'll sue you if you think differently."

      "You'll sue *everyone*?!"

      And thus the RIAA files thousands and thousands of lawsuits and haven't managed to dent any amount of infringement. It's ridiculous, and people are ignoring it.

      Now replace the RIAA with PTO in everything above. Pretty soon, people are going to start ignoring patents too.

      Monsato company better look out! How many Mexican share-croppers do you have time to arrest!

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    2. Re:This is a great step by FiskeBoller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand the step as a progression to overturning out-dated or corrupt systems. However, the problem is that there are an increasing number of laws by which government and quasi-government organizations can cause you uncomfort. Think of how the BSA is assisted by armed agents used to seize computers. And civil disobedience takes on a whole different meaning when the arrested have no rights as in the Padilla case. It's much easier to stop silly laws from being written than encourage or survive a systemic collapse (in this case the patent system).

    3. Re:This is a great step by incabulos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Patents are much worse though - they prevent life saving drugs from being cheaply manufactured, an act which directly acts to kill people. Copyright merely stops people from downloading useless and pointless crap like metallica mp3s and microsoft software that does not benefit the owner or humanity as a whole in any way.

      Patent fraud is also the least-prosecuted and yet most-damaging ( in an economic sense ) of all the so-called "Intellectual Property" crimes. The article several days ago here on /. about how x% of the human genome is patented by corporations? All 100% patent fraud - the prior art in question has existed for _millions_ of years! Ditto Microsoft committing hundreds of cases of patent fraud every day, patenting TCP/IP, FAT, memory-protection, and dozens of other concepts that have existed in IT for decades as prior art.

      Why arent these criminals pursued and prosecuted the way file-sharers are? Being a large megacorp does not grant them the ability to violate the law, regardless of how incompetant or corrupt the USPTO may be.

    4. Re:This is a great step by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your comment about medicines is only a half-truth. Since medical research costs on the order of half a billion dollars minimum to research and test a new drug to approval, not only do patents slow the production of cheap drugs, they also cause the development of the drugs in the first place. And it's an important half of the truth you're missing, too, since most people would rather be able to spend a lot of money and send their mother's cancer into remission than have a dead mother smelling up the living room, which is the other option.

      Most new drugs are developed in the US, specifically because we have a strong patent system. The algorithm patents may be stupid, but don't go trying to throw the baby out with the bath-water, there.

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  8. Not Sure How Big this Really Is by thebdj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I do not know how big a deal this really is. I am sure in software or business method arts there might be more of an issue at hand, but I do not think 35 USC 101 is a highly used rejection method within the office. I would also be surprised if this stood up outside the Board of Patent Appeals and Interference (BPAI). I believe this should be tasked to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) since it almost sounds like the BPAI is trying to limit the USC.

    I do not have numbers, but I am willing to take a guess the number of Business Method patents allowed to date is quite low. It is something that I believe should be more contested by the general public then the idea of software patents. I mean at least I'll see the end of a Patent term in my lifetime, but that same code that gets copyrighted won't be touchable until after a great many of us are long gone.

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    1. Re:Not Sure How Big this Really Is by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason that the technological art standard does not come up much as a reason for rejection is that, generally, people whose invention didn't meet that standard wouldn't even bother filing a patent. Patent lawyers wouldn't waste their time.

      Now that this particular court has ruled differently, expect a rash of filings that would previously have been rejected under this clause.

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  9. Just what exactly is an abstract idea? by starseeker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reading the article, I'm made aware of two things: 1) I lack the training to be able to argue about this properly 2) I would like to know why exactly "a 'method of compensating a manager' that involved several steps of calculating a proper compensation based on performance criteria and then transferring payment to the manager" is not an abstract idea? What exactly does constitute an abstract idea? This sounds like a particular application of mathematical and economic principles, which I wouldn't have thought patentable at all. Anybody have a link to some reference materials that might help with these questions, without requiriring several years obtaining a law degree?

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  10. How old are you? by jurt1235 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Patents exist since at least 1594 (earliest patents I know of), probably earlier. Your patent would be pretty much expired by now.
    Patents were invented to make people publish their inventions, protecting them for a short period of time, after that time everybody is free to use it. That probably worked in a slower paced world.

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  11. The Future of America by JemalCole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now they aren't even going to be limiting patents to software and "business methods"? In another 5 years we're all going to have to pay license fees to take a crap without being sued for violating a patent for "method of voiding bowels into a porcelain fixture while seated."

    But that won't be the end of it: microphones in the toilet will be listening to make sure it doesn't sound like the tune to some Britney Spears song, while cameras examine the shape of the turds to see if they resemble a corporate logo. I can't wait to see which company owns the rights to each particular method for wiping your ass.

    1. Re:The Future of America by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      "But that won't be the end of it: microphones in the toilet will be listening to make sure it doesn't sound like the tune to some Britney Spears song, while cameras examine the shape of the turds to see if they resemble a corporate logo. I can't wait to see which company owns the rights to each particular method for wiping your ass."

      No, no, no... FTA:

      "[the patented process must] 'produce a useful, concrete, tangible result' without being a 'law of nature, physical phenomenon or abstract idea.'"

      My craps are rarely like concrete, and are often regarded by my wife to be physical phenomena. So not patentable on two accounts.

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    2. Re:The Future of America by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Funny

      My craps are rarely like concrete, and are often regarded by my wife to be physical phenomena. So not patentable on two accounts.

      Well, mine often are like concrete and at the least are quite tangible. Not to mention the event more closely resemble a spiritual phenomena (including much speaking in tongues and biblical references).So that means that at least mine are patentable!

      Gotta go. Prune juice just kicked in.

    3. Re:The Future of America by crimethinker · · Score: 2, Funny
      microphones in the toilet will be listening to make sure it doesn't sound like the tune to some Britney Spears song

      But most peoples' time on the throne sounds a lot better than any song Britney ever "sang."

      -paul

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  12. I hearby claim a patent on... by geoff+lane · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...space time.

    You ALL owe me bigtime.

    1. Re:I hearby claim a patent on... by bohemian72 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hello.

      This is God.

      I'd like to claim 'prior art.'

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  13. It was inevitable by LeonGeeste · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, they had to do this at some point. All intellectual works are basically discovery of some *previously existing* but useful aspect of reality. If you invent a new mousetrap, you're discovering the previously-existing aspect of reality that some organization of different materials is better at catching mice. If you write a book, you're discovering the previously-existing aspect of reality that people like a certain combination of words. Trying to classify one kind as "technological" and the other as not gets really tricky.

    Next on the list: the patent office stops rejecting discoveries as being "too theoretical". Imagine working around those patents!

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    1. Re:It was inevitable by fenris_23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thanks Plato. We are now living 2500 years ahead of you. Trying reading Karl Popper.

  14. This could give Carly Fiorina a second chance by skitheboat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Her definition of invent was out there already. I can see her joining a patent holidng company and patenting countless common and inane ideas.

  15. Just another straw... by jamesgamble · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...that will break the US Patent Office's back. We're due for patent reform. It has become such a joke that just about any new technology or idea is already patented in some respect. And if it isn't already patented, someone out there can make a case showing their patent covers the new technology and they are due money in return for fair use. There has to be a limit. Enough is enough.

  16. Re:Not Sure How Big this Really I by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's discussed in a bit more detail here. It looks like any business process can be patented, from plotting a basic graph on a whiteboard, to having TPS reports notched according to the future employment status of the employee.

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  17. Idiocy by mESSDan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If I understood the article, this means you could patent the following:

    I. Method of Selling items: The business shall offer a customer an item/good/idea/etc for an amount of currency (Dollars/Euro/Yen/etc). Upon receipt of currency, or promisory currency note, the aforementioned item/good/idea/etc's ownership will be transferred to the customer.

    It's not like the PTO even looks for prior art.

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    1. Re:Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      shall offer a customer an item/good/idea/etc
      I'll see your patent on selling items, and raise you one patent on selling the license to use an item.

      The business shall offer a customer a non-exclusive, terminatable, license to use a product in exchange for currency or promisary note. The product will remain the property of said business, and the customer agrees to return or destroy the product upon the demand of said business.

  18. Not good for a vibrant economy. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A vibrant economy requires resources to be used efficiently. In theory, patents are supposed to help this process by increasing the incentive to invest in capital. Indeed, such investment can benefit both the inventor and the end user. As such, patents encourage the production of new capital, and the new capital is often more efficient at using resources than the previous capital. Thus the economy grows.

    However, it appears as though America is reaching a point where patents interfere with the process so much that productivity is diminished. When an inventor has to search for patents when designing every portion of a capital work, less time is spent on developing the capital itself. Thus the creation of new capital diminishes, and resources are not used as efficiently. That can eventually cause the economy to basically rot.

    This is not what the American economy needs, considering its various other problems (massive debt, inflated stock markets, a housing bubble, and so forth).

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    1. Re:Not good for a vibrant economy. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When an inventor has to search for patents when designing every portion of a capital work, less time is spent on developing the capital itself.

      That's only for the small-time inventor, who doesn't hold any (or few) other patents. These are the guys that the patent system is allegedly supposed to help the most -- keep the big boys from stealing their idea. It works laughably in practice.

      If you are a large-time inventor, a multinational corporation, then you explicitly do not search for patents. Because, you see, knowingly violating a patent results in treble damages. Since so many things are patented, violating someone else's patent is inevitable. When they come to the negotiating table, you want two things: 1) to be able to claim that you didn't knowingly violate their patent 2) to have a vast enough patent portfolio that you can be assured that they themselves are unknowingly violating one of your patents. At that point you sign a cross-license agreement that favors the party with the bigger/more valuable pile of patents.

      Guess how well the small time inventor does at one of these negotiations? Can you imagine some small business going up against the patent portfolio of IBM?

      The result is that all the big corps have cross-licensing agreements for all the patents of each other's that they have violated, creating a big mutual technology trust that is a barrier to entry for all smaller competitors. They love this situation, and it only makes sense that they would want to see any restriction on patenting removed, even if it means they will eventually violate someone's ridiculous business method patent.

      Big corps are stealing our money, locking away our technology, and basically planning on destroying our country for a gigantic payoff. In this sense, patents are nothing but a single front, a symptom of the underlying problem.

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  19. Don't hesitate to punch if you feel like it... by fitchmicah · · Score: 3, Funny

    If anyone was thinking about actually going to some of these headquarters and just punching the shit out of some of these people, I am here to highly encourage you!

  20. At least there was one positive thing... by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems there are actually examiners at the USPTO that are willing to call bullshit on a bogus patent. That offers a bit of encouragement.

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  21. burn the lawyers by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Insightful


    This is all because the people who make money from patents are patent lawyers. The more stuff out there that can be patented then litigated for patent infringment the better. I agree the patent office sucks ass, Ive been trying to patent something without the help of a lawyer which is next to imposibble and it's all because they have complicated things beyond comprehension. To what extent I have no idea.

    1. Re:burn the lawyers by wikkiewikkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please, provide me with some more details about your patent idea and I will be glad to assist you.

  22. A Good Thing? by slicer622 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one who thinks this could go well for IP in the long run?

    If the patent office makes a blatantly terrible move like this one seems to be, its possible it could trigger a backlash that will get patent law fixed up properly. People talk about this with the Supreme Court as well - it might be better to overturn Roe v. Wade because it would so energize the choice crowd and maybe even motivate congressional action.

    Just something to consider.

  23. Lazy Imbeciles by ewhac · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Great. These fools have effectively opened the door to patents on storyline plots.

    Anyone have a spare Senator they're not using?

    Schwab

  24. This is total bullshit by andreMA · · Score: 5, Informative
    Article I, Section 8
    Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    USPTO has no authority outside the realm of "Science and useful Arts" and patents granted outside the scope of that allowed by the Constitution are illegal. Nor does it matter what Congress has to say about it; granting patents on things not meeting the prior test is not a power granted to the Federal Government.

    They "declined" to create a definition. Translation: we "chose" to ignore the law. Perhaps I'll "decline" to pay my taxes and see how that flies. Arrogant bastards; they need to be put against the wall.

    1. Re:This is total bullshit by hagbard5235 · · Score: 5, Informative

      In a sane world, you would be correct. But welcome to the wonderful world of Wickard v Filburn, brought to use by FDR's packed Supreme Court, where enumerated powers are no longer enumerated, and you might as well ignore the 9th and 10th ammendment to the constitution. Essentially, Wickard says the government can do pretty much anything under the commerce clause and the general welfare clause. In a sane world, one might argue that the only authority for granting pattents at all comes from Article I, Section 8, clause 8, but in FDRs bizaro world were we all live today, you can just as easily derive the authority to grant patents without restriction from the commerce clause under Wickard.

      Thank you FDR, nobody really needed liberty anyway!

    2. Re:This is total bullshit by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does the patented process fall under "Science" or does it fall under "Useful Arts"?

      The court in question declined to create a standard for "Useful Arts" because that is not their responsibility -- the Congress should define Useful Arts, and the Courts could then apply that definition.

      One of the dissenting judges specifically asked for this.

      The three consenting judges did not, but typically when the court declines to establish some standard, they are implying that someone else has that responsibility.

      So all the people who are against "Activist Judges" should be happy.

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    3. Re:This is total bullshit by RickHunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn fucking right you should thank FDR. Without him, you'd be slaving away 7 days a week, 10 hours a day, in horrible conditions in the guts of some factory, and wouldn't live past 30. FDR gave America the workplace protections that allowed her to thrive through the middle of this century. Now that those protections are being rolled back again, everything is, of course, going all to hell.

      Here's news for you: there's nothing outside of science and useful arts. Business is a useful art. Economics is a science.

      A better argument against business method patents is that they do not serve the common good.

    4. Re:This is total bullshit by NetCow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Business is a useful art.
      Agreed.
      Economics is a science.
      Agreed under reserve.
      BUT: Granted above, then
      A better argument against business method patents is that they do not serve the common good.
      define "common good", since you stated Economics is a science, patents are an economic issue, and you are trying to bring forth arguments.

    5. Re:This is total bullshit by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting point; however, strictly speaking, "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" is a prefatory declaration, and does not explicitly place any restriction on the text that follows. This is similar to the case of the Second Amendment to the Constitution - the prefatory clause does not restrict the operative clause.

    6. Re:This is total bullshit by aaronl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just because he did one thing correctly does not make everything he did correct. The workplace and labor laws were coming anyway. However, for FDR's signature on that, we also ended up with a lot of terrible programs, such as welfare and Social Security. While we aren't working 7 days a week and 10 hours a day, we *are* working 5 days and 8 hours a day for 60 years, and the majority of people in the country barely keep their heads above water in the process. Add to that the high taxation that everyone endures, and it's pretty messy. We have an unstable currency (see Federal Reserve and the gold standard). We have tremendous numbers of people working for government instead of in private sector. And then there's the fact that even parts of the labor reform have been bad for the country...

      No, FDR was not a good thing, and we shouldn't thank him for all the harm he caused.

    7. Re:This is total bullshit by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How did FDR give us workplace protection? He is part of the executive branch, and so he should not have any constitutional power to make laws?

      But even if I assume your assumption is true, and labor unions and direct action by working people had nothing to do with it, and the work week for most people wasn't already 40 hours a week at the time the "fair labor standards act" was made a law, and instead the 40 hour work week was a glorious gift dropped into our lap by a member of the millioniare ruling class, what does that have to do with FDRs disasterous effect on the government, including things that effect the patent laws?

      FDR did so many horrible things: he approved rounding up people and putting them into concentration camps because of their race, and turned the U.S., who was comitted to being neutral and staying out of wars, into the worlds most vast and powerful war machine which has continued to this day. He installed government censorship and control of the media that we couldn't even imagine even in these days of G. W. Bush (some may say "it was only because of the war", but his own records show he wanted all waretime controls to be permanent)... and he forced millions into the military service without their concent.

      And, as it relates to this topic, his supreme court justices who he stacked into the court, so broadly defined "interstate commerce" and the governments regulation that there isn't anything that the government can't do in the name of "interstate commerce". So, if a corporation wants to patent a buisness model, or human DNA, or things like that that are clearly an absolute abuse of the patent system, the government is free to enforce those rediculous laws because any restrictions on the government were abandoned with FDR.

      FDR was a facist monster, probably the closest thing the U.S. ever had to a dictator. He was a racist, totalitarian thug, not much different than the facisism in Europe that he was against.

  25. This is fairly logical by Sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is a logical decision, the mistake was made years ago when courts stopped asking the question of why patents should be permissible in some fields but not in others. The current doctrine seems to be that if money can be made with it, then it should be patentable.

    Taking this doctrine to its logical extreme may, unfortunately, be the only way to force people to recognise how flawed it is. In that regard, this may be a useful decision.

  26. Patent Cartels by PktLoss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hrmm, Though honestly I don't see removing a restriction the department isn't able to define or legally defend as a big deal, recent trends are worrysome. I can see a future where companies pay regular fees to some cartel for protection from patent related lawsuits. At first there will be numerous small cartels kicking around, fighting each other for business, suing each others 'clients', over time the biggest bankroll will prevail and a patent protection fee will become a regular part of doing business.

  27. This is stupid... by the_skywise · · Score: 2, Funny

    Essentially the ruling states that ANY process regardless of whether or not it's performed using a device or results IN a device.

    IE, I can now patent my process for making hamburgers into meat balls.

    Or to dial a phone.

    Or the methodology behind replying to a slashdot post. (NOT the code for doing so, the *idea* behind a posting forum.)

  28. Patents on General Knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now class, please turn your books to the section on "Integral Calculus". This class has been liscensed and authorized by Megacorp - holders of patents on the power rule. Please note that any integrals referencing the trigonometric functions must also credit the proper patent holder. sin = George Smith, cos = Megacorp, tan = Umbrella Corp. For a list of all current patent holders on Mathematics please reference "How Freaking Retarded Can We Be (2010 Edition)". Always pay your liscense fees! No calculation without compensation. Or was that "No taxation without representation"?

  29. Maybe They Broke It in Order to Fix It by quantax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This seems so ridiculous, that I wonder whether this is was purposefully done to force people to reform patent laws. Sometimes you need to utterly break something before people will notice that it was broken to start with. This is the most benign interpretation I can see as otherwise, it seems to be lacking in sense.

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  30. "We decline to create one." by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny. As the Patent Board itself, I'd have thought that was part of their job. Maybe not.

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    1. Re:"We decline to create one." by arkanes · · Score: 2, Informative

      The legislature has delegated the job of deciding what the requirements for patents are to the PTO. Thats why the patent office gets to decide if business patents are okay or not, or whether you need to actually implement something before you can patent it, or whether or not you can implement living things.

  31. Drop the duration to 7 years by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's become clear that since the patent office is willing to let anyone patent anything with very minimal checking on validity that patents will effectively end productivity and innovation in the US (and everywhere that has an enforcement treaty with the US). So either we cripple our economy and technological advancement or we modify patents so they don't strangle innovation. So ditch them or limit the duration to a more reasonable timeframe (given the current rate of advancement).

    1. Re:Drop the duration to 7 years by wildsurf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So ditch them or limit the duration to a more reasonable timeframe (given the current rate of advancement).

      Just last week I was granted a patent, from an application I submitted to the USPTO in February 2001. That's four and a half years. Somehow I think the timeframe of patent examination/acceptance would also have to be reduced, if 7-year patents are to be in any way meaningful. I do however agree that 7 years is a much more reasonable duration than 17 years, for software-related patents.

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  32. World greatest answer! by 9Nails · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I submit the parent for the Worlds greatest answer prize. Not only is the parent dead on, but their answer reflects the kind of half-ass journalism that we've become accustomed to. A journalism in which the reader isn't expected to actually read the article. A journalism in which no question will be answered and where diagrams are appropriate, none will be provided. And... ahh screw it, nobody is really going to read this any way!

  33. Harvey Birdman - Full-Employment Act by ebooher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From "Get The Big Money Shovel": Appendix Z

    This makes me chuckle mostly because I saw Harvey Birdman last night. I don't know if it was a repeat or not, but the episode was basically one of those "Welcome to Company X" promotional training videos. "How to do your job" "Why we're here" "Company History" all that.

    Every time they showed Sebben he had an ever larger pile of money until at the very end of it he was neck deep in cash with swimsuited women on pool floats.

    And for those of you that think Geeks and Animation can not possibly be interrelated and have never seen Harvey Birdman, the joke behind the series is he's a lawyer willing to take on the case of the "little" `Toon.

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    "Genius may shine aloof and alone, like a star, but goodness is social, and it takes two men and God to make a Brother."
  34. Patents on literary plots by Christian+Engstrom · · Score: 5, Interesting
    At least we know who will go for the patent for acquiring patents on movie plots. It'll be these enterprising young lawyers.

    This decision is quite funny. A couple of months ago, Slashdot was running a story about a piece by Richard Stallman where he made the analogy with the works of Victor Hugo being covered by patents on literary plots. Then there were some posters who thought Dr. Stallman was making an absurd comparison, and that patents on literature would never happen.

    Well, well...

    Meanwhile, in Europe, we have chosen another road. After the victory on July 6, when the European Parliament rejected the software directive, we now have a chance to get one of our activists to win the title "European of the Year" in an open Internet poll organized by a big business magazine.

    Please feel free to go to NoSoftwarePatents.com for instructions on how to vote, while you contemplate this latest madness by the US patent establishment.

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    Christian Engström, Former Member of the European Parliament 2009-2014 for The Pirate Party, Sweden
  35. Re:Think patenting of plot twists in movies by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 2, Informative

    " I won't steal your thunder " Before you were stealing my intellectual property, now you're stealing my thunder? Thats *my* thunder you're taking their buddy. :)

    More seriously:
    "bezier curves for issues of clarity, simplicity of implementation, ink conservation"
    Thats damn close to the drawing a graph example the judges based their thinking on. Steal away.

    Only tangentially related to this, have you seen this patent:
    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=/netah tml/srchnum.htm&Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&r=1&l= 50&f=G&d=PALL&s1=6767433.WKU.&OS=PN/6767433&RS=PN/ 6767433

    For a solar still:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_still

    This company received a patent on the solar still in 2004:
    http://www.solaqua.com/solstilbas.html

    I think USA has almost no prior art test at all, and no non-obvious test, this is a train wreck just waiting to be patented.

  36. Mod parent +5 funny! by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Economics is a science.

    Funniest damn thing I've heard all day!

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  37. Re:That's good news for me! by Urusai · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hereby claim a method of losslessly compressing audio, to wit, I claim that:

    1) audio exists,
    2) it can be losslessly compressed,
    3) there exists some algorithm to compress audio losslessly,
    4) ...
    5) profit.

    Item 4 is redacted to protect valuable trade secrets under the DMCA and Patriot Act.

  38. Dumb step backward by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a liberal, I would have to say that protection of human rights is governments' sole legitimate role. Property is a social concept, without society there would be no need for the concept of property. By owning property, you are stealing the opportunity to use that property from everyone else, most of whom would never grant you that right without some recompense. For the privelege of private ownership of anything, you owe a debt to everyone. Private property is not a right, it is a privelege granted to the individual by society.

    All "intellectual property" is based on ideas freely granted to the individual by society. The individual owes society for the ideas that sparked the innovation. Processes and other abstract things should never be patentable because doing so does not benefit society. It does not protect innovation at all.

    Collective property is at least as valid as private property, and given the right control structure it is as feasible to maintain collectively as it is privately. In fact, one could argue the opposite of the tragedy of the commons, saying that an individual owner would always find it easier to profit from a resource in a destructive fashion and then move on than a collective owner of the same resource. Collective ownership is far more natural to the human mind than private ownership. Witness the fact that most "primitive" (as we in the west see them) societies have little conception of private ownership.

    I postulate that you and people like you benefit from private ownership in an unfair fashion and that you cling to the myth of the benefits of private ownership in order to justify your ego-based worldview and your position of power and privilege rather than from an real and logically arrived at conclusion that it truely benefits the collection of individuals known as society the most.

    Yes, this post is slightly trollish but hey, wouldn't you conservatives and libertarians out there rather point out how foolish and knee-jerk my post is rather than mod me down? After all, if my arguments are so knee-jerk, they should be pretty easy to refute, right?

    However, if you want to mod me down for using a sixty seven word, paragraph-long run on sentence, be my guest.

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  39. Re:For the benefit of those of us outside the USA by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Informative
    How often are the 'Patents Board' democratically elected

    Th Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences is established under 35 U.S.C.

    The Administrative Patent Judges (who issued the opinion in the article) are appointed by the Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and Director of the United States Patent and Trademark Office (i.e. "The Director"). The Administrative Patent Judges are regular employees of the patent office, and serve until they quit, retire, are removed, etc.

    The Director is appointed by the President.

    and for how long have they had the power to change the laws of the USA?

    They don't have the power to change the law. They have the power to interpret patent law, "on written appeal of an applicant". Note that the applicant can then take this issue to federal court after it is reviewed.

    In this case, the patent examiner rejected the patent claims of the applicant by arguing that they were outside the "technical arts". The patent applicant filed an appeal to the Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences. The case was reviewed by the Board and a majority (3 of 5) found that there is no test under the law for determining what "technological arts" covers. The minority argued that the meaning of "technological arts" is equivalent to the "useful arts" phrase in the US Constitution.

    The result of this is that a precedent has been set which determines that, "outside the technical arts", is not a justifiable reason under the law for rejecting patent claims.

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    Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
  40. The Broken System by kaladorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your patent is supposed to not duplicate prior art and it is supposed to be non-obvious.

    Both of these criteria are criteria honoured in the work to register a patent in good faith (a search for prior art) and after the fact, by the fact your patent can be challenged.

    A lot of the most obvious patents will not be upheld if challenged and either meaningful prior art exists or if the patent actually *is* obvious. In the Litigious States of America, this mechanism for defeating patents should not be surprising.

    It is, however, expensive to register patents. It is also expensive to challenge them. This gives the leverage to the financially wealthy. It gives even more leverage to larger companies that don't do anything but patent registration and litigation - they don't spend any money inovating, just patenting other people's ideas and chasing down infringers. Usually this results in out of court settlements rather than challenges, since it could cost you $100K to challenge a patent, and $20K to license it from the current patent holder.

    We've created a system that has within it a built in niche for a group of butt-sucking parasites who do no actual work. I'm not talking about lawyers, but of patent attack/defense companies that don't *make* anything. They are just storehouses for intellectual property, not with the idea of protecting of the inventors or even their investors, but simply for profit. They act as leghold traps on innovation, rather than incentives.

    This is the surest sign that the system is broken. The patent system itself now has so many companies co-opted into the machine that they can't imagine life without it. And their fear keeps the system going strong and growing. And of course, as it grows, it stifles invention and innovation, instead of protecting it as it probably did way back when the patents were first envisioned.

    At one time, it did bring together investors and inventors because it helped ensure RoI for the investors, because anyone who knocked off their process or product could be litigated against and punished. Thus it fostered innovation.

    That day is long past. What we have left is the rotting carcass of a system that protected innovation, and the only creatures that enjoy hanging around rotting carcasses are maggots, flies, and carrion eaters. And that's what the Patent system has develoved to.

    Get rid of it, because it no longer serves the purpose it was meant for.

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    -- Mal: "Well they tell you: never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious."