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Fortune Takes a Look at Bram Cohen

jackstack writes "Fortune has an interesting article about bittorrent creator Bram Cohen. 'Right now I'm the CEO because I don't trust anyone else to be the CEO,' Bram says. The article goes into some interesting detail about Bram's state of mind, his poor history in college, and gives a glimpse of what it's like to go from being an unknown, brilliant geek - to the CEO of an $8.75 Million startup company."

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  1. It's all about the community by Red_Foreman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's all about the community - what Bram did was to unify the community into donating bandwidth through BitTorrent, and that's what makes it so special.

    Bandwidth costs money, and offering, say, Linux ISO's is expensive. But, if people opt in (BitTorrent) each person is joining a community and helping out with the cost of bandwidth - especially those who are accessing via an ISP and not through work.

    It's the same level of cooperation that makes OSS so special.

    1. Re:It's all about the community by rovingeyes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your first line should read - "It's all about the community - what Bram did was to unify the community into donating bandwidth & pornthrough BitTorrent...". He made it popular by offering pr0n. See he has some marketing skills in him. I think he is qualified to be CEO.

    2. Re:It's all about the community by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What is remarkable about Bittorrent is the protocol, not the rather limited Bittorrent app. The polished and feature-rich Azureus rules the Bittorrent sphere.

      Hear that, Mr. Cohen? There's a better than even chance you're reading this, so here's my advice: ditch your app, rebadge a version of Azureus, and make that the "official" Bittorrent application.

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    3. Re:It's all about the community by zerocool^ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention - the technology is so phenomenal, and yet executed so beautifully, that it takes the breath away.

      For years, most of us have been thinking "The more people downloading the file, the slower it goes for every user", and have been trying to solve this delima.

      Bram looked at the problem and said, "What if... the more people downloading the file, the faster it went?" And then he coded it.

      I understand the technology, but I'm still in awe of its seeming ability to just shrug off the confines of the known universe in order to solve the problem. It's like someone walking into Boeing and saying, "Hey, instead of building these planes to carry people... what if gravity pulled people upward?" and then proceeded to make it happen.

      This is the programming revolution of the decade, mark my prophetic words - BitTorrent and subsequent derivative technologies will be the biggest thing to happen to information technology this decade. If it doesn't awe you, you're just too jaded.

      ~Will

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    4. Re:It's all about the community by Agret · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try utorrent, it's like Azureus but without the bloat of java.

      # Typical memory use less than 4 MB
      # Incredibly small: 96 KB

      http://www.utorrent.com/

      Only thing it's missing is uPnP and if you have that enabled you should be shot.

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    5. Re:It's all about the community by Kjella · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only thing it's missing is uPnP and if you have that enabled you should be shot.

      Well, you copied two off the "At a glance" list, but I don't think you read it very well. Full list:

      Multiple simultaneous downloads
      Smart bandwidth usage
      File level priorities
      Configurable bandwidth scheduling
      Global and per-torrent speed limiting
      Quickly resumes interrupted transfers
      UPnP support (WinXP only)
      Supports popular protocol extensions
      Localized to different languages
      Typical memory use less than 4 MB
      Incredibly small: 96 KB

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  2. Ummm by cached · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't mean to troll, but given that he has Asperger's Syndrome, should it not be in his best interest to give the job of CEO to somebody who is more charismatic (in the sense that he can communicate exactly what people will want to hear), in an attempt to gain extra customers?

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    1. Re:Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's important to note that it's a self-diagnosis, not a medical one.

    2. Re:Ummm by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should he hand over his title to some facist punk that will bank on his hard earned work. He's the brilliant guy that came up with this, he should run the company as he sees fits. Sometimes it's not about profit, but about ideals and vision.

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    3. Re:Ummm by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      but given that he has Asperger's Syndrome, should it not be in his best interest to give the job of CEO to somebody who is more charismatic

      The job of a CEO is to provide direction and strategy for an organization. I would say that maybe he needs a PR person. He seems to be doing quite well as the CEO.

      The other thing that has me thinking - who diagnosed his illness?
      I've met quite a few people who said that they had various illnesses. When I asked them about the diagnosis and what the physician (or some other qualified expert) said, they don't say anything about an expert diagnosis: just something vague. I don't know about him, but I think a lot of folks use popular illnesses as an excuse for their own shortcomings or as an excuse for not doing something that they're not interested in doing.

      Forgive my spelling, but I have spellexia.

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    4. Re:Ummm by AsmCoder8088 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Asperger's Syndrome, for those who don't know what it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_Syndrome

    5. Re:Ummm by eln · · Score: 5, Informative

      Asperger's lies on the Autism Spectrum. However, the Autism Spectrum is extraordinarily vast, ranging all the way from barely impaired to completely nonfunctional. Most geeks are probably somewhere on the spectrum, they just aren't severe enough to consider getting tested. Since this guy is self-diagnosed, it's impossible to tell where on the spectrum he is. Most Asperger's people have perfectly normal lives, and can learn to be great communicators with training.

      In my Management class last semester, we had a few CEOs of local companies come in. One said he had always been extremely introverted and technical (Asperger's? Possibly), but had learned to overcome it to an extent. As long as he could have his required periods of downtime by himself, he could handle the day to day CEO duties, including the public and social aspects.

      A person with Asperger's is not necessarily retarded, and in some ways can be profoundly gifted. In my mind, someone with the analytical frame of mind that most Asperger's people have is the perfect candidate for a CEO position, which is concerned mainly with long-term strategy.

    6. Re:Ummm by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Why should he hand over his title to some facist punk that will bank on his hard earned work. He's the brilliant guy that came up with this, he should run the company as he sees fits. Sometimes it's not about profit, but about ideals and vision.


      Yeah - because when someone has ideals and vision and doesn't care about profits, they DEFINITELY wanna hook up with venture financing people. I hear those big money guys are all about dreams and couldn't give a fuck about profits.

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    7. Re:Ummm by MoggyMania · · Score: 5, Informative

      Aspergers isn't an illness -- it's a neurodevelopmental disorder on the autism spectrum. It's also not "shortcomings" to be designed to do things differently than most people.

      According to experts on autism Baron-Cohen, Atwood, and Wing, people identifying as being on the autism spectrum are accurate 99% of the time, because the internal characteristics are so striking. They can include severe sensory sensitivity, extreme motor clumsiness, weak or lacking depth perception, difficulty speaking (often with loss of speech under stress), extreme difficulty changing from one task to the other even if we want to, native use of different (autistic) body language that is incompatible with that of non-autistics, having multiple senses report one sense's information (like seeing colors for sounds)...

      A LOT of stuff that comes nowhere near the neurotypical experience, and that we're aware is different long before we can name it.

      Speaking as the moderator of three of the largest online discussion groups for adults on the spectrum, plus having been heavily involved in the community for four years now, I can pretty much verify their claim. Out of the many hundreds of people that have joined thinking that they're AS, I can only offhand think of one clearly that was obviously wrong, and two or three where I was uncertain.

      Also, I can't imagine why anybody would *want* to claim they're one of us if they aren't. It doesn't get us out of anything that isn't obviously a meltdown-inducing problem (plus rarely even then), we're subject to constant criticism based on our differences or what we are... I'm proud to be autistic, but I hate the prejudice I encounter.

    8. Re:Ummm by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since he is a grown-up, don't you think he's capable of making his own decisions about who he wants to have running his company?

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    9. Re:Ummm by vertinox · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't mean to troll, but given that he has Asperger's Syndrome, should it not be in his best interest to give the job of CEO to somebody who is more charismatic (in the sense that he can communicate exactly what people will want to hear)

      Balmer, Fiona, or Gates were neither charismatic nor said things I wanted to hear...

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    10. Re:Ummm by Jozer99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sometimes fame outweighs charisma. If Linus hadn't invented linux, do you honestly think he would be a spokesperson for Transmetia?

    11. Re:Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Also, I can't imagine why anybody would *want* to claim they're one of us if they aren't."

      You'd be surprised.

      While it may not be present (or at least prevalent) in your circles, it's rather "popular" for teens to claim to have some kind of disorder. Whether it's Aspergers, dyslexia, bipolar, depression, schizophrenia, OCD. I've seen threads on sites like deviantART dedicated to things like "What kind of mental problem do you have?" and the post numbers are in the thousands, with people claiming to have all sorts of problems but offering no information when asked about diagnosis. Some even claim to have combinations of disorders that would be impossible to have in reality. I'm guessing it makes them feel "special" or "different." Like this one.

    12. Re:Ummm by still_sick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For a while, whenever a similar story would come up - there would be a myriad of posts ala "I like technology and am socially awkward, therefore I must have Aspergers!".

      Why would they make the claim? Probably it gives them an "excuse". It's no longer "their fault" that they're clueless when talking to people.

      Of course one post on Slashdot does not equate to seeking out and joining one of your groups. I have no doubt that your claim is true.

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  3. Loved and hated by Vvornth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can picture all the recorded media company execs getting together in small cabals, swapping stories on ways they'd like to kill Bram Cohen.

  4. bittorrent as a business??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I may be a good way to share files, but I'm afraid the investors are throwing their money away. It's like trying to make money off of FTP.

    1. Re:bittorrent as a business??? by alc6379 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I may be a good way to share files, but I'm afraid the investors are throwing their money away. It's like trying to make money off of FTP.

      you mean like these people do?
      http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=%22ftp+client% 22&btnG=Search+Froogle
      http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=%22ftp+server% 22&btnG=Search+Froogle

      People make money all the time by selling client/server software for FTP. I venture that some websites even make money by offering downloads of content via FTP. Maybe Cohen is going to offer some kind of licensed/authenticated Bittorrent protocol, or something along those lines, to give people a reason to pay him for his work.

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    2. Re:bittorrent as a business??? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read the article, it sounds like BitTorrent Inc. is trying to build a mostly-unrelated business (media-on-demand, similar to the iTunes music/TV store) that happens to use the BitTorrent technology and brand.

  5. Worth by squoozer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can this company be worth 8.75 million. What does it do that is worth that much a year? As far as I can see nothing. The only "product" it has it gives away for free. If it started charging a dozen open source versions would appear in it's place. Even if they didn't the system can be copied by others for virtually nothing. What is it with these really high value estimations?

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    1. Re:Worth by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey man, those PayPal donations sure mount up! Once you've paid the fees.

    2. Re:Worth by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is it with these really high value estimations?

      That's just the dollar value of how much capital investment the company has received. Obviously someone thinks the company has potential, just because you are not privy to their business plans doesn't mean that the plans are not feasible.

    3. Re:Worth by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Stone soup.

      He's the Russian soldier that comes into the village and coordinates everybody for the common good.

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    4. Re:Worth by mochan_s · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How can this company be worth 8.75 million

      When Fortune magazine runs a story on the CEO.

      The name BitTorrent is alone worth that. This is a name millions and millions of people know - it would take more than $8.75 million dollars to achieve that through advertising.

    5. Re:Worth by asavage · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right now there are 600,000 people running Azureus. There are probably over 3 Million active users. This is just one of many Bit Torrent Clients. I wouldn't say millions and millions is an exaggeration.

    6. Re:Worth by ThousandStars · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, the article says that 45 million people have downloaded Bittorrent. It doesn't cite a source, but I'd imagine it means the offical client downloads. Plenty of other people download clients from other sources -- Azureus from Sourcefoge comes to mind -- so the real number may be much, much higher. Still, even if it isn't, and 45 million includes a lot of duplicates, I wouldn't be surprised if a few million people know what Bittorrent is. Certainly at least a few of my non-geek friends, the same ones who would give me a funny look if I said "Slashdot", know what Bittorrent is, which indicates to me that it's penetrated the mainstream at least somewhat.

    7. Re:Worth by thrillseeker · · Score: 2, Funny
      What other way is there that you can easily and quickly grab files ranging in size from hundres of megabytes to gigabytes?

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a Fedex truck full of Blu-Rays.

  6. Good call on Bram's part by MacFury · · Score: 4, Informative
    He developed something unique and functional. If someone else takes over the company, they will probably just not "Get it"

    Besides, CEO's of american companies are usually in it for the quick buck and end up screwing over the company they work for and all of it's workers. One CEO of a rather large company, forget his name...well...he presided over the company while its stock plumetted 20%, took a massive severence package and ended up making $54,000 an hour when it was all said and done. The average yearly salary of his employees...$35,000.

    1. Re:Good call on Bram's part by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative

      However you can't remember his name, but you can accurately remember all those numbers?

      The parent poster is correct. The executive was Disney ex-president Michael Ovitz, who was paid $140,000,000 to leave the company after 15 months.

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  7. Re:Ummm - no! Not at all. by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For one thing, I think Asperger's Syndrome is a very real condition, but the jury's still out on whether or not it just describes a variation of normal behavior, or whether it's something worthy of considering as a "mental illness" - implying a need for treatment.

    The simple description of "a mild form of autism" leaves it pretty wide open to describe a whole spectrum of behaviors. But the condition interested me, personally, only because I realized that I probably have it myself after reading enough about it. In my case, I think I've partially "overcome" it as I've gotten older and forced myself to break myself of some of my older, more "anti-social" habits. But the side-effect? It seems pretty unlikely I'll ever accomplish any brilliant or great projects anymore, either.

    In the case of BT's creator, it seems to me like the guy is following the same path I did - and I'd predict his days of intensely focused, marathon coding sessions are nearly over. (He got married, etc.)

    He's the one who created BitTorrent, so he's the best choice to head up any company trying to market the technology. According to the article, he already hired on a guy to communicate his product to the recording industry execs, realizing he wasn't able to do that so well himself. He's smart enough to get the right people for those jobs, as needed.

    They often suggest Bill Gates had Asperger's too, and he seemed to manage to make a semi-successful company out of Microsoft over the years as C.E.O.

  8. Going from P2P to P-NP? by adavies42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the very last paragraph, it mentions Bram dropping by an old Bell Labs friend to talk about "satisfiability testing". If they're talking about 3SAT, does this mean he's working on P-NP?

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  9. enough with the aspergers by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there's always been smart people who can do complex topological analysis in their head but can't balance their checkbook

    likewise, there have always been people whose minds always flit from one subject to the next every second- in other words, attention deficit disorder

    but now we have these buzzwords, asperpgers and ADD and others, and people think its some miraculous discovery, and its all they talk about and they act like it explains all sorts of behavior

    but it's just a fad, and meanwhile, the conditions have always been there, always will be there, and those who have these conditions are no more special or less special than the rest of us

    cohen is a smart guy, and he can concentrate on a complex math problem, and he likes to do it, that's all, that's it

    i'm just so sick of everyone jumping on the buzzword bandwagon, it doesn't mean anything

    there once was a time in the 1800s when everyone thought phrenology was the end-all explanation of character and intelligence

    it's long forgotten, like the racist pseudoscience it was

    meanwhile, in a hundred years, when our language and our attention isn't controlled by the marketing department of large pharmaceutical companies, our hypochondriacal way of looking at our mental differences will have moved onto the next stupid fad

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    1. Re:enough with the aspergers by hkb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is this marked as troll? Cohen goes on about his "SELF-DIAGNOSED" Asperger's in every single fucking interview about him. He's never been diagnosed by someone qualified, like oh, say a doctor.

      God it was stupid and pathetic the first time, and each successive mention just compounds the stupidity.

      He wrote Bit Torrent, he didn't create the world in 6 days.

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  10. I hate to point out the obvious by BewireNomali · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... but an undereducated, socially-crippled, obsessive-compulsive, uncouth geek found a fertile, viable woman to not only marry him, but bear him child thricefold...

    dude is just getting his license. this is far more amazing than bittorrent and deserves its own thread.

    does anyone know if she's hot?

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    1. Re:I hate to point out the obvious by vertinox · · Score: 2, Funny

      does anyone know if she's hot?

      When a developer says "free as in beer" he means he needs lots!

      Or maybe she does...

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    2. Re:I hate to point out the obvious by Audax_23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As an Oakland resident who commutes daily around the Bay Area, I'd like to point out the existence of a very advanced technology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle
      It uses gears to commute energies that are intrinsicaly present wherever the user is (provide they're metabollically prepared) to propel them forward at great speeds.
      Given the combined utilty of this elegant technology and the Bays' extensive public transport system a car can be easily viewed as more of a liability in terms of cost and convienence when the factors of parking and gas prices ( ~ US $3.00 'round here) are factored. In my group of friends and aquaintances a good half, if not more, do not own cars. The brute force approach to transportaion (ie. internal combustion) seems to me a poor method for general use when the energies spent are overwhelmingly directed at transporting the system itself rather than it's passengers and payload. I was in Berlin last year where it is very common to see people using large hand carts to move heavy loads about. That is also a large cosmopolitan city where cars can be extremely inconvienent for everyday use. I'm no luddite, but the perception that combustion engines are a technical advancement over alternatives like sails on boats or gears on feet always seemed strange to me.

  11. Congratulations and ENCOURAGEMENT for all of us by Work+Account · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bram Cohen, congratulations on your accomplisments.

    May you continue to live a productive and happy life and continue offering innovative and hopefully open source software.

    Let this serve as encouragement to all of us: with desire, dedication, brains, a computer, and Internet access, anything is achievable.

    Do what you do best; for most of us this is coding!

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  12. Or the Web. by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, after all, anybody can set up a Web site. How could a company possibly make money doing that??

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    1. Re:Or the Web. by hunterx11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most didn't.

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  14. Fortune = Barbara Walters of Businesss Mags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ah. The Barbara Walters of business magazines. You want a puff piece, read Fortune. You want news, read Business Week or the Wall Street Journal or even the Economist.

  15. I wish him luck by SimplyBen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a founder of a funded startup myself I hope he suceeds, but statistically he won't. Maybe i'm alone here, but i'm having a hardtime envisioning the business model of such a company (and doubt his ability to lead it to profitability). Sure bittorrent is a neat technology: but its just that a technology, and an open one too. It appears to be a long shot, and thats why funding came from venture capitalists. From most slashdotters POV i'm sure that sounds awesome until you realize what accepting venture capital is typically about: 90%+ stock takeovers with rider clauses allowing the investment firm first dibs on any money withdrawn from the company. I hope he hires someone to run the company that can translate whatever products he comes up with into something that can actually be sold.

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    1. Re:I wish him luck by i7dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so...i dont want to sound like i'm arguing, cause i'm not...but could he base his entire business model around maturing a technology with the expectation that it would get bought from him at a price far beyond the value of the startup capital given to him?

      yes, its oversimplification; but it seems like something that is possible.

      dude.

  16. you made a mistake when you said the word by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "doctors"

    everything after that is a mistake

    i'm talking about personality, not medical conditions, and the way society talks about each other

    if we were in a hospital, talking about patients with liver disease or cancer, you would be 100% right

    but we're not, we're talking about this hychondriac way people talk about simple personality differences

    the world i am after is a world with more tolerant of more ranges of personality differences

    as cohen is a ready example of, it is not all negative to have a quirky personality

    but in a world you are living in, where anyone vaguely outside the norm is diagnosed with a medical system, we are talking about a world that is promoting sameness and conformity

    at the loss of what?

    at the loss of people like cohen!

    so that is why i find it disgusting that anyone, including cohen (we're all hypochondriacs... read any psychology text book describing mental disorders and i defy not to say at one paragraph or another "hey! i've felt like that before!"), should think that just because he can concentrate hard and can't tune into what people are saying that great, is someone with a medical disorder

    same with ADD

    what if ritalin and prozac and other drugs are destroying the cohens of this world?

    is ADD all negative? well, is asperger's all negative? what great writers, comedians, directors, etc. have been destroyed because they were treated with drugs, someone with an ability to focus on other things than the here and now- that's all negative? well i can describe asperger's in dire negative ways... but cohen is a shining example of why its not all negative!

    so how about LESS medicalization of personality types, and MORE tolerance and acceptance of a range of quirks?

    because the only people who win in the world you describe- the medicalization of personalities, are pharmaceutical companies, who want to prescribe us a pill for every perceived quirk of character that someone can pin down

    it's disgusting, it will turn us into a society of robots so that some pharmaceutical company has some more cash in its bottom line

    well how many riches are lost when our picassos and shakespeares and einsteins and cohens and hitchcocss are medically treated into personality sameness?

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  17. When your big, bandwidth finds you. by IpSo_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "In mid-October, Apple unveiled its long-rumored video iPod and started making some TV downloads and Pixar shorts available through its popular iTunes service. Navin says that the Google and Apple moves are both competition, but that BitTorrent's market will offer much more than just movies and TV shows. Plus, he speculates that Apple is paying "an astronomical price for bandwidth."

    For anyone big, bandwidth becomes more and more of a non-issue. Only the little guys actually pay a significant amount for it.

    Having worked for a web hosting company that went from small, averaging only 50mbits/sec in total, to over 800mbits/sec their overall bandwidth costs actually went DOWN. Why? Because once they started pushing over 100-200mbits/sec they could sign free, or next to free peering agreements with major Tier 1 providers. As long as you don't piss them off, and the agreement continues to be mutually benficial you get "free" bandwidth.

    I'm sure Apple and any other big players pay fractions of a cent on the dollar for bandwidth.

    I still believe Cohen's company can help out the little guys sell their wares, at least until they push enough bandwidth that it becomes cheaper to host the content themselves. I doubt you'll ever see Apple or the MPAA paying him money to host content though.

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  18. Re:Hard to believe by CaptainUberJimmy · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's Ali G's older brother
    He is a doctor though at Cambridge Simon Baron-Cohen
    not Sasha Baron-Cohen
    That's Ali G
    Heard their proud of each other though..awww

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  19. my problem is with the medicalization by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Interesting
    of aspects of personality that don't need to be treated medically

    when you talk about "social anxiety disorder" instead of shyness

    or you talk about "attention deficit disorder" instead of inattention

    the next thing out of people's mouths is "how do i treat that?"

    the language you use to describe something has meaning

    watch fox news: instead of calling it suicide bombing, they call it homicide bombing

    i don't really care about suicide bombing/ homicide bombing, i'm not trying to make an ideological point about that here, i'm simply trying to drive home to you the point that the LANGUAGE you use matters when describing something, it has meaning, the words you use matters

    why prochoice versus prolife?

    why not prochoice versus antichoice?

    why not antilife versus prolife?

    do you understand how it matters?

    why speak about personality in terms of medical terminology?

    newsweek

    Aren't there enough sick people that the drug companies can target? Why try and convince others they're sick?

    The marketing people and the sophisticated PR people who work for them are doing what shareholders demand of them. They're looking for ways to maximize markets. One way is to redefine more and more people as sick. There's an informal alliance between the drug companies and aspects of the medical profession and aspects of the patient advocacy world who all seem to have interests in defining more and more people as ill. We look at this condition by condition in the book, and what you see is a similar formula or process at work. Every time a panel of experts come together, they want to nudge the boundaries a little further out, whether it's mental illness, cholesterol or high blood pressure.

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  20. Good summary, but still.... by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd have to say your list of symptoms allows for a pretty wide spectrum...

    I won't address *all* of those points of yours one by one, but I can comment on a number of them selected at random to try to illustrate my point.

    1. Thoughts of suicide? Yes, I spent most of my first couple years of high-school thinking about "just ending it all" practically every day. I was extremely unhappy and depressed, yet most people probably never had a clue I really felt THAT bad. Most of them were either too busy just having fun at my expense (Hey guys, let's steal his shoes again and run off with them so he goes bezerk trying to get 'em back! .. and that kind of thing.), or the few people that were close to me just saw the "other side" of me, where I was much happier, being around my friend with similar interests and all. Still, I "solved" this problem on my own, by convincing my folks to pull me out of the private, all-boys' school I was attending, and switching to a public school where I felt like I had a chance to make a "fresh start" in a much more "normal" social environment.

    2. Codependent? I suppose, but not *extremely* so. I lived at my parents' house a lot longer than some people I knew, but by the time I was 21, I did move out. Screwed up with my first apartment and roommate due to not finding a decent job to pay my share of the bills, and had to go back to mom and dad for another stint... But I finally did buy a house and move out on my own. I guess this was partially the "fear of the unknown" thing plus a bit of laziness, but I didn't have parents that were pushing for me to leave either. In fact, my folks still cried the day I moved out - and called all the time wanting me to come back to help them with any number of misc. things they'd come up with.

    3. Social interaction? I definitely had problems in this area. To this day, keeping eye contact with someone while talking to them is really difficult for me and always feels very uncomfortable. I've learned to force myself to do it in situations where I know it's expected of me (job interviews and such) but I'm very bad about doing it with someone I care about (a lover, a good friend, etc.) because I'm comfortable with them and don't feel the need to force myself to do it anymore around people who have already fully accepted me as a friend. I used to be very shy around people too, and I can't imagine ever just striking up conversations with strangers at a dance club or bar, to this day. But I'm very talkative when I'm in a small group and can chat one-on-one with people about anything of interest.

    4. Hyper-focusing. This is one of those areas where my "disorder" was surely an advantage, work or project-wise. I used to be able to absolutely absorb myself into a project - like writing and working on an early BBS system I put together. I made it into one of the most popular ones in town (and greatly expanded my social circle in the process) - but I was walking around in classes with the greenbar paper printouts of my code and editing things with a pencil during school whenever I could get away with it. It was an obsession, simply because it really interested me. Nowdays, I don't even get the opportunity to get myself into that "mode" because all the responsibilities of having a kid to take care of, a house to take care of, bills to pay, my own business to build up, etc. etc. removes that option.

  21. Re:short sighted by Tidal+Flame · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, but how is it his fault that your ISP can't handle the amount of data that its customers are trying to access? I'm trying not to have an "IGMSFY" attitude, but honestly, I don't see the logic in your statement.

  22. Re:Ummm - no! Not at all. by Deluge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "In the case of BT's creator, it seems to me like the guy is following the same path I did - and I'd predict his days of intensely focused, marathon coding sessions are nearly over. (He got married, etc.)"

    Marathon coding sessions are not a symptom of Asperger's. If that were the case you'd hear a lot more people whining about being afflicted with this condition.

    If anything, Coen is a hypochondriac, because let's face facts, anyone who can get married, have a kid, go out and meet some bigshot CEO for drinks and actually make a positive impression, and who can actually go out and do something big with his little project, is someone with "all the right stuff", and not Asperger's.

    Now, if his sob story included things like the inability to speak coherently in the presence of a woman or an audience focused on him, an inability to deal with people one on one without offending them with unintentionally offending gestures, or just not impressing them in the slightest, then I might have a bit of sympathy.

    Christ, the more I think about it the more it pisses me off, here's a successful guy in pretty much every way and he goes and whines to the world about how sick he his and how much of a hero people should consider him for battling his horrible ailment. Makes me sick.