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Snooping Through Walls with Microwaves

denis-The-menace writes "According to an article from newscientist, scientists have devised a system to use microwave energy for surveillance. If people are speaking inside the room, any flimsy surface, such as clothing, will be vibrating. This modulates the radio beam reflected from the surface. Although the radio reflection that passes back through the wall is extremely faint, the kind of electronic extraction and signal cleaning tricks used by NASA to decode signals in space can be used to extract speech. Although, I doubt it would work in this room"

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  1. 1st sign the feds are onto you... by titla1k · · Score: 5, Funny

    is there's a van sitting outside your house, with a whole lot of kitchen appliances pointing at it.

    1. Re:1st sign the feds are onto you... by moviepig.com · · Score: 4, Funny
      If people are speaking [then] clothing... will be vibrating.

      So the hell with eyes... it's actually possible to undress her with your diction...

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  2. Invest in AA by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I'm going to buy stock in Alcoa Operations...with shenanigans like this going on, they can only increase in value.

    In the meantime, here's some telltale signs you might be under microwave surveillance:
    • You feel slightly warmer than is normal.
    • Your food seems to be cooking itself.
    • Metal objects in your house give off sparks for no good reason.
    • Your coffee remins hot for a very long time.
    • Your beer remains cold for a very short time.
    • All your CDs are covered with tiny cracks and will no longer play.
    • Your house pets smell delicious.

    Watch for these signs and protect your privacy...cause the government certainly isn't going to.
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    1. Re:Invest in AA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Aside from the fact that farmers and subsidies have all but shut down Alcoa in the US, Aluminum is a poor choice, and hence wouldn't be used. Lead. That would be the metal of choice. It has properties which make it excellent at sound proofing. Vibrating aluminum would modulate their signal quite nicely.

    2. Re:Invest in AA by mikiN · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no such thing as the English language. There are, however, at least two widely spoken dialects, both of which use different spellings for the word aluminium.

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    3. Re:Invest in AA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The element was discovered by an American who named it Aluminum. The British rejected this and gave it the name Aluminium for their usage (so it would end in "ium" just like HeliUM, LithIUM, BerrylIUM, etc). Aluminum is the standard American spelling. Aluminium is the standard spelling in British Commonwealth countries. While I appreciate the British desire for consistency, the Americans can legitimately argue that the person who discovered it should be able to name it whatever they bloody well want.

      I say this as an Australian.

  3. Just Friggin' Great by SecureTheNet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now, when the NSA spies on me, my wi-fi network will be unable to work due to interference!

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  4. oh no by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 5, Funny

    luckily my parents basement has thick walls.

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  5. Makes little difference by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many criminals protect against laser audio surveillance, where a laser beam is bounced off a window or other rigid surface, and the sound from the room vibrates the surface, wobbling the beam, the wobble being translated into audio by the snooper.

    The laser can be defeated by double glazing (I think), devices to vibrate windows and laser detectors (to tell you if you're being listened to).

    A microwave device can be defeated by the good old tinfoil hat - by which I mean wallpapering in foil or otherwise turning the room into a faraday cage.

    1. Re:Makes little difference by cheekyboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the crims are making 100's of millions, spending 0.01% of counter measures is INSURANCE

      hence, the drug lords of south america spend tonnes of tonnes of cash on goodies.

      The best crims are never found out hence, their success and covertness.

      a) buy gold
      b) hide in 50% legit 5% return businesses
      c) learn sign language
      d) study tonnes of tonnes of history of cold ware espianage
      e) never ever talk , paint a false picture to everyone including your wife/kids
      f) cover tracks and never park anywhere, unless you own the govt, or they owe you billions.

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    2. Re:Makes little difference by Jetboy01 · · Score: 4, Funny

      With all these new snooping devices being invented, I think it's time someone devised the 'tinfoil flat'.

    3. Re:Makes little difference by jolyonr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Therefore anyone listening to rap music must be a criminal!

      Arrest them straight away!

      Jolyon

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    4. Re:Makes little difference by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

      The best crims are never found out hence, their success and covertness.

      a) buy gold
      [..]
      e) never ever talk , paint a false picture to everyone including your wife/kids

      Doesn't that include not discussing it on Slashdot either? Plus, you forgot...

      (g) Don't give away all your secrets.

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    5. Re:Makes little difference by Talas213 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A microwave device can be defeated by the good old tinfoil hat - by which I mean wallpapering in foil or otherwise turning the room into a faraday cage.

      I'd suggest lining the walls with bags of popcorn. That way you'll know when you're under survellance and have a nice snack readily available.

  6. Not new tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think this a new technology. I think that this is just a new take on a technology that Léon Theremin (inventor of the Theremin instrument) was working on for the KGB in the 50-60s. He was using infrared bounced off of windows to detect conversations inside (or something). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léon_Theremin

  7. Fluff piece by gtoomey · · Score: 4, Informative
    This "story" is just a reference to a patent application.

    Even at 100GHz, the wavelength of microwaves is 3 mm. But sound waves inside a room would cause a surface to vibrate perhaps 0.001 mm. You cant modulate a 3mm wave to record 0.001 mm changes.

    1. Re:Fluff piece by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Interesting
      >"You cant modulate a 3mm wave to record 0.001 mm changes." You're partially correct. It would be difficult to detect the modulations, EXCEPT that if you're also the sender of the original signal, you can mix the incoming and outgoing signals and extract the phase difference. Subtraction is a VERY powerful signal-extraction method!

      There's an anecdote in the engineering field: where some poor sods at Racal-Dana had a phase detector at 50MHz that was so sensitive to vibration they had to stop their experiments whenever a plane took off from Orange County Airport (quite a few miles away). They eventually had to get special thick aluminum wall castings to enclose the phase detector to block the vibrations. And this was at just 50MHz. Phase detectors get more sensitive proportional to operating frequency, so a 5,000 MHz phase detector is *mighty* sensitive!

    2. Re:Fluff piece by pz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even at 100GHz, the wavelength of microwaves is 3 mm. But sound waves inside a room would cause a surface to vibrate perhaps 0.001 mm. You cant modulate a 3mm wave to record 0.001 mm changes.

      Interference detectors, more commonly known as interferometers, can detect distances far below the wavelength used to make the measurements. For example, 800 nm infrared laser light can readily be used to resolve 5 nm differences (I've worked on the development of such a system). Further, the distances being considered for measuring the movement of things like clothing or the throat and chest of the speaker are far above one micron (0.001 mm): put your finger on your throat and speak; think that's one micron you're feeling?

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  8. It was news... 45 years ago. by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Soviet KGB have been doing exactly this since before 1960. Windowpanes make good microwave reflectors. All it takes is a simple microwave source and mixer. Nothing new to see here.

    1. Re:It was news... 45 years ago. by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Uh, not quite. For many reasons.
      • There were no "lasers" in 1960. At least not the very stable continuous-wave lasers that you need for this, and especially not in the USSR.
      • Think-- do lasers go through glass? Do lasers bounce off glass? Might other wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation act similarly?
      • Microwaves bounce off most anything, if you pick the right angle. Conveniently, most buildings have the windows recessed a bit, and any concave corner makes an EXCELLENT "corner reflector", which has the amazing property of bouncing any incident beam right back to the sender.
      Not only did they bounce microwaves off glass-- they had the hutzpah to give the US ambassador a honorary plaque, which he hung on his office wall. Unbeknownst to us, there was a little diaphragm inside the plaque, just the right wavelength to reflect K-band microwavesm, which vibrated very nicely to every word spoken in his office. Look it up.
  9. How long? by xor.pt · · Score: 3, Funny

    How long till they incorporate this feature into an iPod?

  10. Food fun by Snamh+Da+Ean · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, I knew that burrito I put in the microwave last night when I came home from a party was speaking to me...

  11. This isnt new by MrEcho.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This tech has been around for a very long time, just not in the public sector.

    If you look at any high security building(NSA, etc) they will have multi layers on the outside and inside of the buildings.

    Not only is it physical security, but sound and wireless security.

  12. Very dangerous!!! by elgatozorbas · · Score: 3, Informative

    The summary mentioned microwave ovens, so some may be tempted to play around with a DIY radar. Don't!!! Of all domectic appliances a microwave is about the most dangerous to take apart. The RF radiation has a very high power and is invisible. When exposed to the electromagnetic field, currents start to flow inside the human body (mostly close to the skin) giving rise to burn-like wounds. Especially the risk of eye injury is significant. Don't try this at home.

  13. I can see the RIAA using it!! by AnonymousYellowBelly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, they listen to the music playing inside your house. Say you are hearing the latest hit from Britney Spears but the RIAA has no record of you buying it, well they turn the 'volume' to 11 on their microwave emitter and fry your balls, burn your house and kill your dog. Justice has been served, right?

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  14. Tinfoil hats by Jerom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny thing is, with this kind of device tinfoil hats will actually improve "the black suits" reception, since tinfoil easily vibrates and reflects radiowaves really well.

    *Sigh* what now?

    J.

  15. Foil Room fallacy by obfuscated · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "Foil Room" won't help against snooping as you'd like to believe. (Prepare to ditch all your foil hats!!).

    To truly block signals, you'd need to build a actual Faraday "cage" built with the smallest possible 'holes' so the waves created inside (be it voice, the sound of you typing or even waves emitted by the blinking LED from your Ethernet card) will be cancelled out. This is the same technology that the intelligence agencies employ against counter intelligence. That with foil (which is properly grounded) will work.

    Solid surfaces such as foil can actually act as large AMPLIFIERS if implemented incorrectly since the waves will

    Note that your microwave is surrounded by a Faraday cage to protect you from the rays; not foil.

    A quick Google to back up my post yielded this page discussing similar topics.

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  16. Re:In analogue phone days by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Interesting

    MI5 developed this in the 1950s, and called it Special Facilities. All it required at the start was a modification to the phone - a single washer, and the phone could be used as a surveillence device. Later versions enabled activation using high frequency radio waves to activate the telephones microphone and required no modification to the phone itself.

    Survellience was also carried out against embassy cypher machines using unshielded telephone cables picking up eletromagnetic emissions from the cypher machines, in many cases enabling the reading of both the en clair message and the cypher material.

    None of this was admissable in a UK court. Phone tap evidence still isnt.

  17. Not quite microwave by Ge10 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has been around for a long time. In the book "Spycatcher" by ex-MI5 agent Peter Wright, he describes a bug used by the KGB to spy on the American ambassador in Hawaii (I think). There was a metal membrane hidden inside a wooden carving, which would passively vibrate with sounds in the room. A strong RF beam of around 900 MHz (details are hazy again, and it's not quite microwave) was directed towards the office from a fair distance away, then the signal would be minutely modulated and reflected by the metal membrane. It was able to work for several years, and this was in the 1960's. You can only guess what's available now.

  18. Microwave Impulse Radar / Ultra Wideband Radar by jhhl · · Score: 3, Informative
    You are (are you?) probably talking about Microwave Impulse Radar, the miracle technology that was supposed to change our lives years ago. It's tiny bursts of microwave radar, able to be transmitted/received at short ranges at tiny power levels by an on-chip transmitter.
    Here's a typical article about MIR. Last I read, there were legal battles about shoddy treatment of potential vendors by the LLNL. Slashdot readers would probably do well to track this technology!

    A taste of this from http://www.eurekalert.org/features/doe/2004-09/dln l-etu091604.php

    UWB's data capacity, speed, low power requirements, and resistance to interference have attracted the attention of major electronic corporations who recognize the technology's commercial potential. Because UWB can penetrate walls, it could become the center of all communications within homes and small offices. UWB signals could carry voice, data, and video. Products could speed downloading images from a digital camera to a computer, connecting printers to computers, and routing high-definition signals to televisions. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) currently restricts commercial UWB applications to between 3.1 and 10.6 gigahertz because of a concern they could interfere with existing transmissions, especially flight radios, beacons, and the Global Positioning System. FCC rules also limit UWB commercial devices to less than 1 watt, which prevents them from working beyond a relatively short distance (about 10 meters).

    Using an experimental license, Livermore has developed numerous UWB systems in frequency bands ranging from 200 megahertz to 100 gigahertz. Tests at Livermore have shown that the devices do not cause undue interference with other electronic devices operating in this broad frequency range. Livermore efforts are directed at developing UWB devices for the government that operate both above and below the 3.1- to 10.6-gigahertz band designated for commercial devices.
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  19. Old news by Technician · · Score: 3, Informative

    A wodden copy of the Great Seal of the United States was bugged. Part of the seal was used as a diaphram and was used as a passive resonant reflector. This would pass most bug sweeps as the device was not active, but passive. When painted with a 330 Mhz signal, it would modulate it.

    The only update in the article is now they use microwaves and common materials already in a room.

    Details here;
    http://www.spybusters.com/Great_Seal_Bug.html

    This bug is was delivered in 1946 and discovered in 1952.

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  20. Re:In analogue phone days by IIH · · Score: 4, Funny
    I didn't think that sort of evidence was admissible in a UK court.

    Evidence?? Court?? You are running an old version of UK, please upgrade where these bugs have been removed in an effort to improve security.

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  21. OLD NEWS:This has been in active use since the 50s by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first sign the Fed's are listening to you is when they give you a nice small bust of lenin for your mantle peice. That's exactly what the British did to the russian ambassador back in the post world-war two era. They gave him a a gift of a small statue and inside it they had mounted a corner cube which is a passive device that enhances the retro-reflection of microwaves beamed at it. (read about it is Peter Wright's (banned in UK) book Spycatcher--wright was the science officer for MI5 and inventor of the technique)

    The second sign is when you feel toasty warm and the chair feels cold. In the 70's and 80's the carter and reagan administrations were perpetually complaining that the level of microwave energy measured inside the US embassy exceeded the OSHA limits for exposure. Eventually the US built a new embassy with enhanced shielding. UNfortunately the Soviet's put listening devices into the bricks. The embassy had to be knocked down and rebuilt. Of course, peter wright did exactly the same thing to the Soviet embassy in canada. Each night he snuck into the construction site and pulled wires up the inside of the walls to his microphones in specially made window sills. The soviet's learned about it from a mole in MI5 and had to build a second interior wall so that no rooms were near the windows.

    Doppler microwave spying is quite old. As is laser vibrometry on windows.

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  22. Used Here by waldoj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Charlottesville, home of the National Ground Intelligence Center (you might know them for a little kerfuffle involving their providing bad intelligence about nuclear weapons to some president...something about a war?), they've long had a thick wire mesh covering all of their windows. A former employee told me, when I was a kid, that it was designed to reflect microwaves for this very reason.

    -Waldo Jaquith

  23. Re:OLD NEWS:This has been in active use since the by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This stuff has been happening since the fifties. Nothing new here.

    The russians did that to the US, too. With a nice giant carving of the Great Seal - with a device behind a small hole beneath the beak.

    Consisted of a cavity resonator about the size of a stack of 10 or so dimes, with a tuning post up the middle, a diaphragm for one end (to detune it according to air pressure) and a wire antenna maybe a foot long coupled into the cavity. Excite it with a microwave signal near but not dead-on the resonance and the reflection is amplitude modulated by the sound from the room.

    Better yet: Put a diode in a movable surface. Excite it and it returns harmonics (easy to sort out from other reflections because they're on a different frequency), phase-modulated by doppler shift from the object's motion (like its variant FM, PM is very noise-resistant).

    Russian laborers constructed an embassy where the walls were FULL of thousands of diodes - embedded in the construction material. US had to abandon the building and build one of their own. News items suggested the diodes were to make it hard to sniff for bugs. But IMHO they were the bugs themselves, using the harmonic-generation/doppler/PM trick.

    Like the posting in the root article, this makes every surface a bug. You have to get diodes into them, but the return is cleaner and stronger than echoes from a passive reflector.

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