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Dark Tower Comic Series Confirmed

uberbastard writes "For all of you die-hard fans of Stephen King's epic Dark Tower series, it looks like we're in for an extension. Stephen King and Marvel comics will be teaming up along with renowned artist Jae Lee to create an original comic series based on The Dark Tower. From the article: 'The comics will work in conjunction with the novels, further supplementing and defining the saga's mythology under the direction of the acclaimed author himself.'"

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  1. Any series of novels.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... which the author feels compelled to conclude with a plea not to drive by his house and take out his mailbox with a baseball bat, is probably best left concluded.

    1. Re:Any series of novels.. by macdaddy357 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

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  2. Nice trend by free+space · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Marvel has brought high profile writers from outside the comic genre before, like Scott Orson Card on Ultimate Iron Man
    I wonder how DC will respond, if they'll respond at all.

    1. Re:Nice trend by kalel666 · · Score: 1

      If you want to get technical, Marvel is reponding to DC with regards to hiring high profile writers like Stephen King. Check out the credits to Batman 400, from 1986.

      Alright, so it was just an intro.

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    2. Re:Nice trend by jesse.k · · Score: 1

      well, seeing how DC made a name for itself about 20 years ago by hiring Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Grant Morrison, I think Marvel is still playing catch up to them in the writing department.

    3. Re:Nice trend by mkwng · · Score: 1

      Both companies have been dipping into other talent pools lately. Don't forget DC recently used NYT bestselling mystery author Brad Meltzer to write the Identity Crisis miniseries. Both have featured stories by Kevin Smith, and Marvel has creators like Damon Lindelof, co-creator of Lost (Ultimate Wolverine v. Hulk) and mystery novelist Charlie Huston (Moon Knight) in the pipeline.

  3. Re:Nice trend..correction by free+space · · Score: 1

    sorry..I meant Orson Scott Card, I can never remember his name right!

  4. Jericho Hill by World+War+II+Online · · Score: 1

    I hope that gets included in the storyline. I want to know what happened that led up to that final battle on jericho hill.

  5. Awesome by somethinghollow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I loved the series. My only gripe was King slowly added more "stuff" to the universe that wasn't there in the first one (where the universe was introduced). So, it'll be nice to get the back story and more information on stuff that "appeared" 1/2 through the series. I guess I'll have to shell out the cash for this one.

    1. Re:Awesome by GroeFaZ · · Score: 1

      My only gripe was King slowly added more "stuff" to the universe that wasn't there in the first one The world was moving on, and the Beams grew weaker all the time. Not even the past was for certain, considering time traveling doors and stuff, so adding new stuff is not unexplainable within the plot.

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    2. Re:Awesome by somethinghollow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just mean in the "suspension of disbelief" kinda way. In the first book, we discover that physics of Mid-World is the same as our universe. We discover that magic exists in Mid-world. We discover that there are doors between universes when we meet Jake. We discover that there are mutants (which explains other bizarre animals in later books). We know time doesn't quite make sense any more. We learn alot.

      I can't think of any concrete examples at this time (it's been over a year since I re-read from the beginning -- and almost 10 years since I read Gunslinger -- and almost 6 months since I finished the last book), but I know I had some "WTF" moments where it seemed like things were just made up on-the-fly (and I don't think S.K. would disagree, since he claims to write books as-they-come, not with a pre-planned plot).

      I'm not arguing about it's ability to exist in that universe, just that it's nice if it's introduced from the get go instead of 1/2 way through the story. But seeing that the story was written over decades, unplanned, I can't expect anything more.

      Don't get me wrong. It's my favorite series of books (and as a whole, my favorite story), beating out The Vampire Chronicles by a good margin.

    3. Re:Awesome by ElAsturiano · · Score: 1

      well, Adding more 'stuff' to the universe is part of the creation process... Even more in this series where we go from the most open and uncertain beginning into a story full of loops and intricacies. If King hadn't added any more "stuff" after he introduced us to Roland's world, The whole 7 tome work would have been reduced to : "The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed" (It's my modest opinion)

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    4. Re:Awesome by NickFortune · · Score: 1
      True enough, and part of the writer's craft is to introduce that new stuff in such a way as to make it seem like it was there all the time. The reaction you want is "Oh of course!" not "WTF!" Too many WTF moments among too many readers and you're probably not doing it right.

      Personally, I didn't didn't have a problem with the evolution of the Roland's world. The first one seemed to mix elements of gunslingers, high fantasy and post-apocalypse. I had more trouble with the fact that the narrative kept returning to New York, but even that was foreshadowed in a way by the use of "Hey Jude".

      At the end of the day, my only real gripe is with the cosmology of Roland's world. It's been (necessarily) cobbled together out of elements of all King's books. I don't think it fits very well, and I have some niggles with Roland's time loop, the one-way nature of time in the "real world". Then there are questions as to who filled King's role in the cosmos before his birth and who will take up the role after he dies (since it's unreasonable to assume the multiverse will die with the writer). And speaking of the the writing himself into the story aspect, I can't stop thinking that Grant Morrison did it better in Animal Man.

      That said, they are all minor quibbles, and I rather enjoyed the books. I can't see me shelling out for the comics, but that's mainly cause I kicked that habit a few years back.

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    5. Re:Awesome by JeremyALogan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll whole-heartedly agree that it feels like he's just making stuff up at some points. When you're reading alsong and everything's going well them BAM you're in The Wizard of Oz it'a bit unsetteling. I feel like he had a good enough epic tale to tell without gettin into modern-day mythos. I understand that he wrote what felt right at the time, but I feel like some of it wa cheapened by harking on topics we all know. My argumnets being said... I'm looking forward to a comic and, hopefully, a 10+ hour movie (worked for LOTR)... it's a great story that deserves to reach anyone it can. I just hope it can be told faithfully...

    6. Re:Awesome by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong. It's my favorite series of books (and as a whole, my favorite story), beating out The Vampire Chronicles by a good margin.

      After finishing wolves of the calla I would have agree about it being my favorite series of book. Part 6 really killed it for me though. It was a huge boring book that did very little for the massive plot.
      I like part 7 somewhat, good action and it kept me interested, but how can anyone not feel a little cheated with the ending?

      Dark tower series is probably my second favorite after Lord or the Rings.

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    7. Re:Awesome by leobh · · Score: 1

      You might want to read the revised and expanded version of The Gunslinger (new as in less than 10 years old, I'm sure). I've only just got into the series but I suspect King has made an effort to bring more consistency between book and the others in the series given what he says in the lengthy foreword.

    8. Re:Awesome by Krimszon · · Score: 1

      Also worth noting is that the first book was rewritten to better fit the later books

    9. Re:Awesome by jwlidtnet · · Score: 1

      He does, but I don't know how I feel about such retconning. I'd prefer the later books fit the earlier books, rather than creatively remixing the earlier books to make certain ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE (19, Walter=Flagg) fit the new continuity.

    10. Re:Awesome by Erik+Fish · · Score: 1

      By the time the ending rolled around I was prepared for just about anything. Considering the author (not to mention the copious foreshadowing) I saw no reason why the ending couldn't be absolutely pitch black.

      So I don't feel cheated at all. I actually thought the ending was very fitting to the rambling and informal way that much of the story was written. It's the sort of ending you might expect from one of the original, un-sanitized "fairy tales".

  6. Re:Ass Juice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't read "Ender's Game" so I only know that he's a high profile writer and his Iron Man stories didn't impress me much.

    Still, it's cool that someone is named 'Card'.. now all he needs is to call his son video :P

  7. Huh by coljrigg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone else wonder at first, 'Isn't Dork Tower already a comic?'

    1. Re:Huh by kklein · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's exactly what I thought as well. Glad to know I'm not the only one.

    2. Re:Huh by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      Yep, me too. Dork Tower is one of the better gamer comics out there. I really liked thier special food edition.

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    3. Re:Huh by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Yep. I was hoping that I'd misread and they were talking about a Dork Tower animated series.

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  8. Expand on Roland's youth by Phoenixhunter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Sounds similar to what George RR Martin did with adapting one of his short stories "The Hedge Knight" into a six-part comic. Roland has quite a few years unaccounted for, and touched upon in at least one of Stephen King's short stories that I'm aware of.

    For the most part I hope that Stephen King is doing this by his own volition, a desire to expand his genre to the more visual aspects.

    1. Re:Expand on Roland's youth by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      For the most part I hope that Stephen King is doing this by his own volition, a desire to expand his genre to the more visual aspects.

      That or he's feeling guilt for having his fans read 7 long books without resolving some basic plot lines.
      In the preface on one of the early books (3 or 4.. can't remember) he said he would dedicate more time to Roland's youth.
      I'd love to see a comic dealing with the fall of Gilead.

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  9. Best news I have heard in a while by pugman · · Score: 1

    I have been following Roland around for the last 15 years and enjoyed every book. As a kid I was a huge comic book fan but as most I grew out of it. Now it looks like I will return. Good news indeed. Heil Gunslinger.

  10. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll get off scot free! That Orson is such a card!

    ... well, I think it's funny.
  11. And for their next comic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the X-Men are attacked by umm...A LAMP MONSTER...ooowowwooowoooh!

  12. For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by TheNoxx · · Score: 2, Informative

    The book King wrote, "Dragon's Eye", reveals a great deal about Flagg, for those interested. It's an old book, fairly difficult to find.

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    1. Re:For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Eyes of the Dragon, you must mean.

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    2. Re:For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by TheNoxx · · Score: 1

      That's "Eyes of the Dragon"... my mistake. :)

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    3. Re:For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by chinodelosmuertos · · Score: 1

      Eyes of the Dragon isn't a bad book. Thoroughly enjoyed it. I found The Stand to be the closest tie-in to The Dark Tower, though. There are chapters in the Dark Tower series devoted to Roland and his Ka-Tet walking through the world in which The Stand takes place. I might be mistaken, but isn't Flagg sorta the main evil baddie in The Stand as well?

    4. Re:For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Definitely, although to be honest, I prefer to think of Flagg as his character in The Stand than the character that is revealed in the later books of the Dark Tower series.

    5. Re:For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by Modeftron · · Score: 1

      In the hardback editions of the later novels in the Dark Tower series King wrote an introduction explaining that (and I am paraphrasing) he has always wanted to write the series and that all his other books are shadows of this series, that is to say that he always kept drifting back to the world of the Dark Tower series. My favorite dark tower reference is in the Talisman's sequel Black House (co-written with Peter Straub) in which the helpful character some may say deus ex machina Parkus helps Jack break down the physhic/slave engine.

      Although it is easy for King now to say that all of these connections between his work were pre-existing since these (Dark Tower Series) were some of the last novels he created, at least until he cranks out some more.

    6. Re:For even more post apocalyptic surrealism... by dioxide · · Score: 4, Informative
      The book King wrote, "Dragon's Eye", reveals a great deal about Flagg, for those interested. It's an old book, fairly difficult to find.


      Check out the roadmap. It shows that many of his books are linked to the Dark Tower, and how. Don't scroll down past the map unless you're prepared for a spoiler or two though, especially if you have not finished the dt series at least. http://www.thedarktower.net/connections/roadmap/
      tommy
  13. Re:Nice trend..correction by seochat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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  14. Stephen King is not a Good Writer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    His writings are a guilty pleasure and will not last long after his death. I remember reading his short story "The Body"(the movie stand by me was based on this). He took four freaking pages to describe the damn body.

    1. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by ceeam · · Score: 1

      Bingo! You mention "Stephen King" and "death" in a single sentence without being a troll!!! (Ahh, I guess I'm too old to remember that. Maybe we need to revive that? On second thought, maybe not...)

    2. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      That's Stephen King...wildly excessive detail.

    3. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by coronaride · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear...however, more on track with the topic, the idea of a comic series for "The Dark Tower" books leaves me feeling rather torn. I read all of the books and enjoyed the first five of them...then he started indulging in narcissistic fantasies...I don't know, maybe I just missed something...he implores you at the end of the final book to not read beyond a certain point...so I didn't...by that time, it became apparent to me that the whole point of this series was to push the reader off of a cliff...I have heard what happens at the end, and this seems congruent with my thoughts...what a waste of time...

      Of course..if someone who found a deeper meaning from the series would like to correct me, I'd be more than willing to listen.

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    4. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by mankey+wanker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Good Lord, I tried to stick it out - I swear I did. But by the time I finished "The Waste Lands" I was thinking that I was reading the author's equivalent of wanking in text form. Apparently I was right, see:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_(serie s)

      Yikes! How he starts this as a reply to Robert Browning's amazing "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came" is just the stuff of nightmares. It is the authorial equivalent of slicing up an original manuscript of Browning's and then using the paper strips to wipe one's ass.

      There's a sad tendency among writers today to create vast universes of interconnected stories among all of their works so that every novel and short story must be purchased and read to see the whole fabric of the author's imagined universe. This unifying tendency reminds me of Michael Moorcock who has revised his many stories to link up in ever neater ways to complete his Eternal Champion/Multiverse series. The chief problem is starting off with seminal works of fantasy fiction like the "Elric of Melnibone" series and ending up with something that is so self-referential it borders on parody of both reader and writer (not that I recommend you actually read the latest 3 Elric novels - Ugh!).

    5. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by LordNightwalker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I for one found the end to be very fitting, plus it opens up an interesting possibility: another writer could now pick up the story of the Dark Tower, and write it as he sees fit, tying it into his own bibliography... I know it ain't gonna happen, no way King is gonna sign the rights to TDT away, but maybe someone might pick up the story again once it ends up in the public domain. Doubt I'd still be around to read the result though; last time I checked my due date was way before 2500AD. ;)

      No, what I had more trouble with was the rushed feel to the last couple of novels... The first one is a mess, to be sure, but it was a charming little mess and it wasn't too long... Books 2 and 3 were goddamn genius. But then it went downhill; the cliffhanger with Blaine was concluded too easily and felt like a rather cliché way of moving the story on so he could get sidetracked by the whole "Roland's Youth" story.

      After that there were too many loose ends, like what the heck was Father Callahan doing in Wolves of the Calla? If King needed an ally there, anyone would do, but why did he have to pick Father Callahan? He makes it look like it has some sort of deeper meaning, as if the Father will become part of the ka-tet, and then the poor sod dies in the stupidest way ever: "Run, Jake! There's no particular reason why we couldn't escape together, but I wanna sacrifice myself. Sorry if it's hard for you to emotionally detach yourself and get running, but I feel like dying for no particular reason today"...

      And please, don't get me started on Flagg and the Red King... They were supposed to be the god damn major enemies, men of great power and cunning, yet they died easier than a blindfolded slow mutant in a boobytrapped maze. And what the heck was with the Harry Potter thing anyway? If you gotta reference stuff from our world, at least reference the classics, not that J.K. Rowling kiddy crap.

      Don't get me wrong; I still love the series, but book 4 was somewhat of a disappointment: waiting for years for the story to progress, and being treated to a history lesson instead. And everything after that felt somehow rushed and... cheap...

      I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees it this way...

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    6. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong; I still love the series, but book 4 was somewhat of a disappointment: waiting for years for the story to progress, and being treated to a history lesson instead. And everything after that felt somehow rushed and... cheap...

      I remeber feeling that way when I stared reading book 4. I was realy digging the post-apocalyptic surreal world, then BAM, we're heading out to the old west. But the story of Roland with his buddies and Susand Delgado was pretty interesting so I really ended up liking the book a lot.
      After part 5, I wanted him to got back into flashback mode for the fall of Gilead, but instead we were treated to pages upon pages of new york and politics and susannah.

      And I agree, the harry potter thing was way out of place to the point of making me kind of angry when I read it.

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    7. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by Ben+Varrey · · Score: 1

      Stephen King used to be a good writer. Then, sometime around _Dreamcatcher_, he realized that he could market self-serving, incoherent trash. As an aspiring writer myself, I can't help but sympathize with him--I'd certainly publish my grocery list, if a large, renowned publishing house offered to issue ten million copies in hardback! Unfortunately, his decline into authorial arteriosclerosis coincided with the climax of his excellent "Dark Tower" series, and by the time he reached the final book, there wasn't much left to save. You're right--the ending was terrible. I wept.

    8. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by cjsm · · Score: 1

      Yea I basically agree with you. The first three were great, the fourth with all of the stuff about Roland's youth was unnecessary. Wolves was ok, but not in the same class as the first three. The last two I haven't read yet, although I have Song of Susan laying around.

      If he only could have kept up the genius of the first three books! Sometimes I think Steven King needs a good editor. Even brilliant artists need some constructive criticism now and then. But unfortunately, they get to a point where no one gives it to them, either because they're to big and famous, or ego, whatever. Look at McCartney without Lennon as a critic. His music ended up with a lot of fluff content, which is King's problem at times. He goes off on tangents like the youth of Roland in book 4 that would have been better off being edited out. When reading an exciting story like the Dark Tower, I don't want to go off on a 400 page tangent of stories about the main character as a little boy, even if the stories are somewhat interesting in themselves. Its like watching the Superbowl and having an hour of video with stories of the youth of the star quarterback between the third and fourth quarter.

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    9. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by Rich+Klein · · Score: 1

      Piers Anthony wasn't a good writer, either. ISTR that they've both admitted that fact. The important part is that their works are (guilty) pleasures. I'm contractually obligated to add: Squee!

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    10. Re:Stephen King is not a Good Writer by Krimszon · · Score: 1

      The deeper meaning is that you enjoy the ride, not the end. I agree with you on the last 2 parts being the lesser, but looking back, I must say I have indeed enjoyed the ride.

  15. Comics section please by mccalli · · Score: 0
    I'm not interested in this, but I fully recognise that many people are. Solution? A Comics section so that people who like comics can continue to read, and people that don't can have the article removed from the front page.

    Could we have a comics section please?

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Comics section please by Clueless+Nick · · Score: 1

      Nahhh...we need a Stephen King section. THEN I'll truly be able to hang out with real fr...umm...iends. -clueless

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  16. AND you forgot... by Clueless+Nick · · Score: 1

    Needful Things. Also touches upon the Tower series, I think...

    "The Eyes of the Dragon" speaks about some more previous incarnations of Flagg, or the Dark One, or the Walkin Dude (The Stand). When will we see something more on him? Let's see - who's the real protagonist here?

    I haven't read more than an excerpt from the Tower series, unfortunately. WILL take it up seriously now.

    -clueless

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    1. Re:AND you forgot... by RipTides9x · · Score: 1

      iNSOMNIA is a direct tie-in to DT series.
      It had a boy who was to go on from that story to, what I was lead to believe, have a more pivitol role in DT world.

      As is part of Hearts in aTLANTIS.
      Brautigan in the first part of the book was cast as a central character as well.

      "The Eyes of the Dragon" land of Delain(I believe?) was presented as the birthplace of Walter/Flagg/ManInBlack in the DT series.

    2. Re:AND you forgot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hearts in Atlantis and Black House are closely tied together, with beams and breakers, which Brautigan of course was one.

    3. Re:AND you forgot... by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, Black House told us a bit more about Breakers & how the Crimson King got them.

      Jaysyn

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  17. UGh by Altephfour · · Score: 0

    Yeah, after what happened with the last 2 dark tower books i'm not going to be buying these comics. I dont want to spoil it but the way it ended was pure crap. Also, I saw no jack sawyer...WHERE WAS MY BELOVED JACK?

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  18. Don't extend the end by GroeFaZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The end to the series, the final solution as to what lies behind the final door, was the probably the best I've ever read (only second to Asimov's The Last Question .

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    1. Re:Don't extend the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're not going to. http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays23.h tml is a long interview with Marvel about the series. The first 6 comics are going to be about Roland, Cuthbert, and Alain while they're in Mejis (DT4.)

    2. Re:Don't extend the end by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      Really good link. Too bad you put that up as an AC, its worth some karma :)

      This should probably be included in the slashdot summary, much more information.

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  19. Solution? by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    Um, skip this submission and don't read the coments?

    1. Re:Solution? by mccalli · · Score: 1
      Um, skip this submission and don't read the coments?

      Agreed, and apart from checking replies to my post that's what I'm doing. But then the same argument could be applied to any of the existing preferences too, yet they're there. My comment is just to help fine-tune an already working system, I'm not sitting here fuming about this article's existence or anything. Just a suggestion.

      Cheers
      Ian

  20. Retro-editing by lastberserker · · Score: 2, Informative
    Adding more 'stuff' to the universe is part of the creation process...

    Have you read the last revision of the first book? It got a freaking taheen brute-forced into it completely out of the story line! It does [maybe] help holding the series together, still IMHO it just sticks out as a sore thumb :-(

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    1. Re:Retro-editing by somethinghollow · · Score: 1

      I wanted to read it (something about some certain number and death that I know nothing about), but apparently the copy I ended up with when I re-read it was an older one. Sounds bad :\. It is better when it flows well. I'll try to pick it up one day.

  21. The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by WilyKit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many Dark Tower fans praise Wizard and Glass as the best of the series. And most fans will agree that there are many unanswered questions at the end of Dark Tower VII, so any exposition, even a comic book, is most welcome. I did not like the way Randall Flagg was handled at all. The "resolution" of his story clashed jarringly with everything that was known about Maerlyn, and about what kind of creature he was ("His name is Legion. He is the King of Nowhere.") There is a lot missing about the nature of the Guardians, Maturin especially. Most of all, the connections with other books aren't satisfactorily resolved.. for instance, It... is It simply a glammer, a vampire, or something more? Is It the Crimson King himself, and is Black Thirteen the object that It arrived in? Are the Deadlights what everyone thinks they are? What is the connection between The Mist and the Dark Tower series? And what are the names of the rest of the Guardians, besides Shardik and Maturin?

    1. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. A lot of stuff in the book seemed rushed through like he just wanted to get it finished. When Martin first described the Tower and stuff on that beach in the first book it made it sound... well kinda scary. To me, the 7th book was kind of an anti-climax.

      Another thing that just sort of had me asking "why?! why?!" was if that one kid at the end could make stuff he drew real how come he didn't fix Roland's hand?

    2. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      Another thing that just sort of had me asking "why?! why?!" was if that one kid at the end could make stuff he drew real how come he didn't fix Roland's hand?

      Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one. This bugged me as well.

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    3. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by cornface · · Score: 1

      Another thing that just sort of had me asking "why?! why?!" was if that one kid at the end could make stuff he drew real how come he didn't fix Roland's hand?

      The answer is that Stephen King is a boring washed up hack that ran out of ideas and motivation 20 years ago.

    4. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 1
      Many Dark Tower fans praise Wizard and Glass as the best of the series.

      It is? I must be out of touch then, because the book disappointed me so much that it made me give up on the series completely.

      The first Stephen King book I ever read was The Gunslinger, and I was blown away. It expertly brought you in to a magical and mysterious world with curious connections to our own. You simply had to keep reading to see what was coming next, which wasn't a big deal because it used to be a very short and sweet book and didn't take much to finish.

      That's right - a short and sweet novel by Stephen King. A true rarity. I always felt the strength of the thing wasn't the parts he put in but the parts he left out, if you catch my meaning. You could tell it was his first book, because this skill was lost on him forever afterwords.

      Then came The Drawing of the Three. A lot more Stephen King-like writing style but still good and interesting as it ties in a lot more with our world. After that, the Wastelands and I'm still enjoying the series. More details on Roland's world, but still a good bit of mystery. Afterwords, I couldn't wait for the next in the series, as it's supposed to go into Roland's past.

      So I waited. And waited. Many years waiting. Finally, when I've almost forgotten about the series, Wizard and Glass comes out. And I read it. What's it like? Some bullshit corny romance with contradictions to references to Roland's past in The Gunslinger. Also, it's hard to explain, but the way he describes the mysterious world there feels like it destroys the fantastic, surreal feel The Gunsliner so skillfully created. No more reading The Dark Tower series for me.

      Then later on, when skimming other information about The Dark Tower out of curiosity, I find out that King is about to pull a George Lucas and - Jesus fucking Christ no!! - rewrite The Gunslinger to erase contradictions from later books and also to add many more pages to what was once a perfectly paced, concise book. I felt like throwing up. It's like he looked back at something good he wrote and declared, "Well shit, I can't let this stand, I've got to be a hack!"

      Sorry, I know it's not my series and all, but I just had to vent.

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      Happy people make bad consumers.
    5. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by E10Reads · · Score: 1

      Actually, King calls himself a hack in book 6 or possibly in the epilogue of book 5, I can't quite remember. So good showing.

    6. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      jealous are we? are you coinciding his giving up drugs to his hackiness?

      nah just jealous.

    7. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by bostonguy · · Score: 1

      I've always assumed (well, not always. for the past few DT books), that the events in 'The Mist' were due to a thinny. Whether it was naturally occuring, or due to a military project, I don't have any thoughts on.

    8. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by FenderGeek · · Score: 1

      Many Dark Tower fans praise Wizard and Glass as the best of the series.

      You're kidding, right? Anyone I know that's read this series said that Wizard and Glass was their least favorite. Don't get me wrong, it's a good book, but it doesn't mesh well with the rest of the series. I was as interested as anybody to find out some of Roland's backstory, but it didn't need to take up 90% of the book. That was just overkill, and it's disorienting to stray from the main plot for that long. Maybe if it had been a separate book that wasn't part of the Dark Tower series I would have liked it better.

      In any case, you better believe that Marvel will be getting my hard-earned money for these comics if they're even halfway decent.

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      One only needs two tools in life: WD-40 to make things go, and duck tape to make them stop. ~G.M. Weilacher
    9. Re:The Dark Tower series in incomplete, anyway by cornface · · Score: 1

      nah just jealous.

      Of what? His books are a small fart in the wide world of literature.

  22. amen brother by Chainsaw76 · · Score: 1

    I can tell you exactly when the story turn sour for me. the introduction of a character who's initials are S. K. there were a few bright spots after that but very few. And the ending? I wanted my time and money back! I should have listened to him when he warned us to stop reading.. "no ending" was better than the real "ending" heck any ending would have been.

    Let it lay Mr. King.. Let it lay.

    -Jason

  23. Re:Best news I have heard in a while by Loquax · · Score: 1

    I agree wholeheartedly! I've wondered for years how they might make a movie or series of movies based on these books. I never once thought about a graphic novel series. It is a much better fit than just about any other visual media. I've always suspected King also wanted another crack at editing and expanding the saga of Roland. Now he has the chance.

  24. But...? by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I heard here on Slashdot that Stephen King was dead...?

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    Yup...
  25. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

    Same here.
    King at one time said part 5,6 or 7 would be a flashback like part 4 was.
    I was very dissapointed how it ended. The series started off so well and I even enjoyed part 5, but the last two were rushed. It was clear he lost interest.

    WTF was the crimson king? What happened to Roland's dad? What happened to the witch?

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    "If they have both, tell them we use Linux. And if they have that, tell them the computers are down." -Dave Chapelle
  26. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Y'know, this is one of the reasons I like reading Stephen King (and watching Joss Whedon).

    In life, not everything is explained, and when people do try to explain it, they are often full of shit. This is something that holds true in KIng's stories as well.

    we shouldn't expect to learn all of the answers.

  27. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

    we shouldn't expect to learn all of the answers.

    Of course not, just the major plot lines.

    Don't get me wrong, I've read most of stephen king's books and he's still my favorite author.
    I'm psyched that he's part of creating these comics and I'm really looking forward to getting back to Roland's world.

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    "If they have both, tell them we use Linux. And if they have that, tell them the computers are down." -Dave Chapelle
  28. Who's Jae Lee? by mblase · · Score: 1

    Why, he's one of the most King-appropriate comic book artists I can think of.

    http://images.google.com/images?q=jae+lee -- Google Images has lots of his stuff.

  29. Marvel plzzz plzzzz by goarilla · · Score: 0

    dont screw this up, im already at book 5 in the series called wolves of calla

    the dark tower series roxxx

    1. Re:Marvel plzzz plzzzz by Mikail · · Score: 1

      Hate to burst your bubble, but finish books 6 and 7 first... Marvel won't have a chance to screw it up; King did that himself.

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      If life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life, let's all get wasted and have the time of our lives.
  30. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by nwbvt · · Score: 1
    " Of course not, just the major plot lines."

    You are told what basically happens. Roland and company fight John Farson's army, everyone dies but Roland, the Horn of Eld is lost, etc. The rest of it is left to the imagination (which King assumes his readers have). I mean you are not exactly told how the hotel in The Shining came to be haunted.

    Stephen King was planning to write a lot more, but was unable to due to the fact that he recently realized he was mortal. He had to get his story down, and now that he is finished (isn't he officially retired now?), he can direct other people to expand the world he had created.

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    Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
  31. i didnt realize... by wickersty · · Score: 2, Funny

    People still make comics?

  32. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

    You are told what basically happens. Roland and company fight John Farson's army, everyone dies but Roland, the Horn of Eld is lost, etc. The rest of it is left to the imagination (which King assumes his readers have). I mean you are not exactly told how the hotel in The Shining came to be haunted.

    I might be a little biased against the ending. I picked up part 5 not long after finally finishing Return of the King and its appendices. Tolkien was nothing if not thorough.
    I know they are totally different writers, but Stephen King did take quite a bit from tolkien's story.

    King did explain that Roland was the sole survivor of the battle of Jericho Hill, but Rhea of the Coos was a major player in the story. And she just disappeared after tricking Roland in Gilead.
    We can't assume that she was even at Jericho Hill or hanging out with evil santa in the tower.

    Sure she might have just decided to hide out and lay low, but after what she did to Roland, his vengenance should have been directed at her more than Walter, Farson, and the Crimson King combined.

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    "If they have both, tell them we use Linux. And if they have that, tell them the computers are down." -Dave Chapelle
  33. More Flagg by xant · · Score: 1

    Someone has already mentioned Needful Things. Flagg's character shows up in a lot of books, often as Randall, or the Walkin' Dude. The Stand also involves Flagg. I can't think of any more off the top of my head, but he has a presence.

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    It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
  34. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to read a King that makes no sense? I recommend From A Buick 8, or if you want one that makes no sense AND sucks, Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon.

  35. One can only hope... by NidStyles · · Score: 0

    I certainly do think they should keep King away from writing the dialogue, but as far as the plots go, they are perfect comic world material. No real linear storyline, and it jumps around like you wouldn't believe. Only the Batman universe has nearly as many breaks. I got tired of having to buy from three or four different comic lines to just read one story. Ever tried reading how Bruce Wayne got acquited from his murder charges in the Gotham Nights line? You have to buy a few Robins, and a couple of the Azraels to know. I still don't what went on there.

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    Yes, I said it.
  36. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by mydn · · Score: 1
    the Horn of Eld is lost

    Really? I think the beauty of the Dark Tower universe is that nothing is absolute.

  37. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by jwlidtnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're right, we shouldn't expect all the answers.

    However, with regard to the Dark Tower, there's a pretty clear (and pretty unfortunate) division between books 1-4 and the rest: the pre-accident and post-accident era. King's near-death experience profoundly affected him (heck, the fact that he writes the guy who hit him into the story--a guy who, you'll remember, killed himself not too long after the event in question--is testament to that by itself), and frankly, I think his writing suffered in the aftermath. A few people theorized that part of the problem is that his editors "went easy" on him afterwards, and that he was rushing to complete the series "just in case."

    I agree with the grandparent that the series ended on a slow, disappointing note. No, I didn't expect everything to be explained. What I did expect, however, was storytelling that made up for the lack of clear explanations. Books 1-4 had this in spades. 5-7? Exposition, exposition, exposition. The characters are no longer "effortlessly" the characters we got used to; instead, they're almost forced in mannerisms and attitudes. Et cetera.

    They weren't bad, but they weren't great, and as one who thinks that Stephen King is a profoundly underrated author (yes, yes, he's popular, but I think he has a grasp of literary technique that he is rarely acknowledged as posessing) I expected more.

  38. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by jwlidtnet · · Score: 1

    From a Buick 8 made sense--it's about how the profoundly unordinary can be absorbed by day-to-day life--but its structure didn't do it any favors, I agree.

  39. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by nwbvt · · Score: 1

    I never said it was lost forever.

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    Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
  40. Re:Jericho Hill - SPOILER WARNING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bango Skank was here

  41. Huge Let-Down by fdiskne1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I started reading Stephen King books back when Carrie first came out. I really enjoyed most of them, but in recent years his quality has dropped. Most of my friends have been wondering why I continue reading his books because like they say, "His early books were good, but it's pretty much just crap any more." I have every book he published. I really enjoyed the first three books of the Dark Tower series. The ending to book three pissed me off because of the "cliff-hanger" ending. What made it worse is the way he started book four. Can anyone whose read it say that was an honest conclusion to the climax of the third book? I don't think so. The quality of the series continued to go downhill from there. I see a few people commenting on how they thought the ending and what was behind the final door was great. I can't disagree more. I thought that was the most amatuer ending of any of his books and that's saying quite a bit. Sad to say, but I've stopped purchasing SK books and the poor quality ones will be finding themselves in the closet as I find new books to replace them on my bookshelves.

    I'm left with The Stand (another one that was great until the end), It (ditto), Salem's Lot, Misery, Christine, The Dead Zone, The Shining, The Night Shift Collection, Firestarter, Pet Semetery and Carrie. I tried to stay a loyal fan and I made it much longer than others I know, but after all those years of the Dark Tower to end like that...I'm done.

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    But why is the rum gone?
  42. I take it back. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    What you have is class envy.

  43. One question by d_54321 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Diddi-chik?

    And as a follow up:
    Daddi-chum?