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USPTO Issues Provisional Storyline Patent

cheesedog writes "The USPTO will issue the first storyline patent in history today, with two others following in the next few months. Right to Create points out that this was anticipated several months ago in a story by Richard Stallman published in the The Guardian, UK. With the publication of this not-yet-granted patent, its author can begin requiring licensing fees for anyone whose activities might fall within its claims, including book authors, movie studies, television studios and broadcasters, etc. The claims appear to cover the literary elements of a story involving an ambitious high school student who applies for entrance to MIT and prays to remain sleeping until the acceptance letter comes, which doesn't happen for another 30 years."

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  1. USPTO Broken by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Funny

    RMS: If patent law had been applied to novels in the 1880s, great books would not have been written.

    USPTO: Ooh, good idea!

    Seriously, the US patent system is very broken, and it appears they are moving in a direction to expand, rather than contract, the amount of things that are patentable. They clearly have no care for whether the patents they grant are stifling innovation. Action is needed to reverse this, but I doubt we'll see it while Bush is still in power.

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    1. Re:USPTO Broken by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think that's bad, wait until you realize that this means that books written outside the US will be banned inside the US because the represent patent infringement.

      The US is going to start banning books

      I wonder how they're going to dispose of confiscated books, hmm? Perhaps burning them would be an efficient and effective way to destroy them.

      Yes, of course, the US must confiscate and burn all banned books! Because this is what capitalistic democracies do to protect their citizens.

      How many rights does a democracy have to curtail or eliminate before it ceases to be a democracy?

      Think I'm overreacting? Then think of all the rediculous things that software patents have allowed and then apply that to BOOKS.

    2. Re:USPTO Broken by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Can you imagine anyone scanning umpteen zillion unpublished short stories and novels for prior art? Whew.

      Oh puhleeese. These bozos (the USPTO) couldn't find prior art if somebody filed a patent for fire fer chrissake.

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    3. Re:USPTO Broken by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Action is needed to reverse this, but I doubt we'll see it while Bush is still in power.

      I'm not a Bush fan in the slightest, but I don't see it being the kind of thing a Democrat president would give a crap about, either. Whoever is president when some ridiculously hyped movie gets its opening delayed by litigation will be the president to fight it.

    4. Re:USPTO Broken by evilbuny · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least porn will be safe, there is no story lines in those :)

    5. Re:USPTO Broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A democracy is three wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for dinner.

      The US was never meant to be a democracy; the fact that it has become one will be it's downfall.

    6. Re:USPTO Broken by thephotoman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm...that has me thinking.

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    7. Re:USPTO Broken by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pornography is art! YOU CAN'T BAN ART! *shakes his fist to the sky*

    8. Re:USPTO Broken by Flower · · Score: 3, Funny
      They'll patent various combinations of *ehrrrm* positions as an invention to overcome "erectile difficulties due to various psychological barriers e.g. stress, performance demands, wolf date...."

      No my friend, not even porn is safe from these fiends.

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    9. Re:USPTO Broken by darkera · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Burning a copy of Fahrenheit 451? Oh sweet irony.

    10. Re:USPTO Broken by happyemoticon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm going to go back to Jonathan Swift here, in Gulliver's Travels. He claimed that the Yahoos, who were these little dirty, simian versions of humans with no intellect and nothing but greed, hatred, disease and guile, had lawyers. One yahoo found a shiny rock. Another yahoo came and tried to take it away from him. Struggle insues. 3rd yahoo comes in and takes it away from both of them (that's the lawyer).

      Swift would've positively loved this one.

      But anyway, I have to get in a cursory rant about what an apocalyptic crime this is. Feel free to ignore it, i'm sure it'll just be repeated several thousand times over. Now, it's not the fact that a patent may or may not be valid (i.e., conforming to the rules of a sadistic, flawed game), it's the fact that still more needless litigation is being introduced into a system that is already frought with friction. That friction favors the powers that be and makes sure that nothing truly creative ever happens again in the United States. If this shit is allowed to continue, you will never see another dirt-poor writer making it to fame, or another hacker in a basement cooking up the next revolution in technology.

    11. Re:USPTO Broken by thej1nx · · Score: 3, Funny
      The US is going to start banning books

      Ah welcome! you have accidentally uncovered the Grand Plan. We creationalist have been so far unsuccessful in subverting science textbooks being teached in the classrooms. George Bush has declared that we are one nation under god and by God we are going to bring everyone under our God. Yes, even those damned atheists! Everybody knows science and religion don't mix, and so we have finally decided that if we cannot be allowed to teach creationilism in the class rooms, then we sure as hell are going to ban the other things being taught there. The best way to do so is ofcourse by banning all those other books.

      We all know that the bible was THE original book. EVERYTHING follows from the bible. That is a fact! Bible is prior art! Hence through USPTO we will finally see to it that only the bible, which is the ORIGINAL BOOK, is taught in our schools and colleges and we will ban all the other irrelevant stuff like medicine, physics, chemistry and maths.

      We are one nation under God, and only God can help us now. Amen.

    12. Re:USPTO Broken by Agarax · · Score: 4, Funny

      I find your lack of faith disturbing, Citizen-Unit.

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    13. Re:USPTO Broken by FFFish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe the USPTO is saying "Ooh, good idea!" because it is purposefully committing suicide?

      I mean, that's a weird idea, but it seems to me that they're basically forcing the government to deal with the problem. Surely any halfway intelligent person can see that this system just isn't working

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    14. Re:USPTO Broken by HanzoSpam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think this is bad, just wait until someone patents "hero fights villian." That's pretty much on par with some of the things other kinds of pattents are issued for.

      Here we have a case of art anticipating life.

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    15. Re:USPTO Broken by RootsLINUX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not a Bush fan in the slightest, but I don't see it being the kind of thing a Democrat president would give a crap about, either.

      Okay then...lets all vote CowboyNeal for president. >_>

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    16. Re:USPTO Broken by GotenXiao · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Going to START banning books? I take it you've not heard of the US' banned books list.

      http://www.banned-books.com/bblista-i.html

      J.K Rowling, R.L Stein and Stephen King are some of the most challenged authors, according to the ALA's website.

      http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/challen gedbanned/challengedbanned.htm

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    17. Re:USPTO Broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Claim 1: a commnication process that represents, in the mind of the reader, the event of a nubile young women calling for a plumber to fix her broken washing machine.

      Claim 2: a communication process in accordance with claim 1, wherein said plumber arrives and pulls out his 'tool'.

      Claim 3: a communication process in accordance with claims 1 and 2, wherein aformentioned characters engage in sexual intercourse.

      Claim 4: a communication process according to claims 1 2, and 3, wherein the plumber character leaves, but then 'forgets his wrench' thereby initiating further repeatition of the processes outlined in claims 2 and 3.

    18. Re:USPTO Broken by LParks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simple solution if they start to ban books. One just needs to get a patent that would make the Bible infringe on it, similar to the way that companies have retro-patented things like the double-click. Then this whole book patent idea will be taken a lot more seriously by members of the government and patent office.

    19. Re:USPTO Broken by Jonner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      By referring to the "the US' banned books list," you imply that the Federal government has a master list of books that are disallowed in the the United States. However, it's really a list of books that have been removed in very specific, local contexts, usually school libraries. If the US patents on storylines were enforced, it would be much more repressive than any current banning.

    20. Re:USPTO Broken by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

      A constitutional republic is three Christian fundamentalists and a homosexual deciding on who can marry.

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    21. Re:USPTO Broken by rishistar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I usually shake my fist about halfway down to the ground.

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    22. Re:USPTO Broken by sydb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You might be on to something there. It would not be the first time that people do exactly what they are told to do even though they know it's stupid in order to highlight that stupidity. Frequently, trying to explain to those in power that they are wielding their power wrongly just does not work; they need to see the consequences of their actions before they realise they have made a mistake.

      Very insightful.

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    23. Re:USPTO Broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      How many rights does a democracy have to curtail or eliminate before it ceases to be a democracy?

      Wait a second... Since when does democracy (or majority rule, or representative rule) imply individual rights?

      Democracy is simply the modern justification for power (the "right" to initiate force as a means to an end). Democracy does not, in any way, remove the element of power from government. 500 years ago, rulers justified themselves by claiming they were following god's orders. Today, rulers justify themselves by claiming they are following the majority's orders. Even when they are, does it really justify coercion? Don't be afraid to ask that question.

      Democracy is still government, and government is still founded on the principle of coercion. Democracy, monarchy, republic, tyranny... the core principle of any government is identical. Government is defined by its unique "right" to initiate force as a means to an end; anyone else who does so is a criminal. How they achieved that "right" is simply irrelevant to the definition of government.

      Democracy is not immune to oppression. It is still impossible to curtail power. If power could be contained, then it wouldn't be power, would it? How can the "right" to initiate force possibly be contained? Only by eliminating it -- and that is not going to happen any time soon.

      Personally, I say the type of government doesn't matter worth a damn; what matters is the level of respect a government has for individual freedom. If a society is more free living under the rule of a monarchy than the rule of a democracy, then I say the monarchy is more ethical and just, and you're damn right I'd rather live there.

    24. Re:USPTO Broken by lsommerer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think you misspelled 'consumer-unit'

    25. Re:USPTO Broken by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Action is needed to reverse this, but I doubt we'll see it while Bush is still in power.

      While I think the notion of patented storylines is the height of nonsense (and hopefully, this applied-for patent will not actually come to pass), I don't think the current (or any) administration is what you should be bitching about. The Patent Office is a creature of the US Congress. Congress impacts its charter, and its funding. While the USPTO is an agency of the Department of Commerce (and thus, is always under the direction of a political appointee), the DoC still has to actually do what congress has said it has to do. Congress approves the DoC's spending and programs at a pretty granular level. Don't like all this crap? Talk to your congressional delegation about it. No president can dictate a change in IP law (thank goodness). Can you imagine if either Bush or Kerry (or Gore! yikes!) could hand down instructions on how to evaluate such things? No, it's something that needs to be handled more thoughtfully, and in a less politicized form - not by edict.

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    26. Re:USPTO Broken by trezor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see you've understood how writing in ALL CAPS makes your point that much more valid.

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    27. Re:USPTO Broken by techiemac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There never was a prior art search.
      First of all lets clairify what a provisional patent is... It's not a patent and does not hold the same teeth as a patent does. Simply put, it gives you the right to put Patent Pending on some technology that you are developing. In addition, if you apply for a patent in a years time from time of the filing of the provisional patent, the effective date of the patent (assuming it's approved... not all patents are) is the date of provisional patent filing. Oh, the date of provisional patent filing is the date you drop it off at the post office and send it via registered mail.
      So, today you could write up a provisional patent document (not as formal as an actual patent application but it helps to keep it formal if you are going after the patent), enclose a check for $100.00 if you are an individual, send it via registered mail (not fedex, ups, but usps) and BAM, Patent Pending.
      It doesn't mean you are going to get the patent. It's meant for smaller inventors to potentially apply for patents and decide if they want to invest the $10,000 it typically takes to possibly get a patent. The gives you protection of prior art no matter what so some company can't patent the technology even if you decide not to pursue a patent (as the provisional patent application counts as prior art and assuming the technology is "new and novel"). If you do decide to pursue a patent the effective date of the patent is the date you sent it via registered mail.

    28. Re:USPTO Broken by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Must resist trolll... ARG can't resist trolll.... Vote libertarian then

    29. Re:USPTO Broken by mikiN · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks goodness there is still the Kama Sutra to claim as prior art...

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  2. Reality TV by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hopefully someone will patent reality TV shows. I am rather sick of those.

    Wait no, this wont work. You need to have a story to be able to patent it. Soon all that will be on the air is reality TV. Noooo!

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    1. Re:Reality TV by julesh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hopefully someone will patent reality TV shows. I am rather sick of those.

      Uri Geller has already patented one of those.

      Sorry, it didn't really help.

  3. I've got a storyline patent too. by Maradine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Claim 1: a communication process that represents, in the mind of a reader, the concept of a character who is so shocked and enraged by the concept of patenting a storyline, that he "snaps" (see USPTO #12006213391)

    Claim 2: a communication process according to claim 1, wherein said character subsequently goes to his bedroom, where he keeps a loaded Glock 32C, and racks the slide.

    Claim 3: a communication process according to claims 1 and 2, wherein said character subsequently flies to DC and unloads his plastic fantasic on an unsuspecting USPTO in a singlular act of biblical fury.

    Claim 4: a communication process according to claims 1 2, and 3, wherein said character subsequently returns to his hometown and has a slurpy, cosmic justice being served.

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  4. You aint seen nothing yet by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So y'all thought software patents were evil incarnate. Well it was only a matter of time until someone came along and made them look reasonable. And here it is.

    This is so fucking depressing. Do Australians have to honour this patent within Australia? Did the government fuck us over with a treaty that makes it so any of our work falls under this god-forsaken piece of shit?

    1. Re:You aint seen nothing yet by patio11 · · Score: 4, Funny

      On behalf of all Americans, I apologize if our screwy patent office has deprived Aussies of their God-given liberty to write bad novels combining MIT and Rip van Winkle.

    2. Re:You aint seen nothing yet by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting
      On behalf of all Americans, I apologize if our screwy patent office has deprived Aussies of their God-given liberty to write bad novels combining MIT and Rip van Winkle.

      It's a test case. If approved, there will be literally thousands of similar ones approved and used to harrass writers all over the world.

      I found this on the asshole who is making the claim's website:

      As far back as high school, [Andrew Knight] authored various works of short fiction that were published in national magazines,... Since then, he has conceived of a variety of unique fictional storylines. Recognizing that fierce competition for publication and financial reward focused on the quality of storytelling, as opposed to the quality of the underlying storyline itself, and further recognizing that even the world's most skilled storytellers (of which he is clearly not) rarely turn a profit, his unique fictional storylines have matured into pending patent applications instead of novels or screenplays. He thus seeks reward on the true value of his innovations--the underlying storylines--instead of forced, sub-par expressions of these underlying storylines.

      So the same concept as submarine patents: don't create a sellable product, just patent the concept and wait to ambush someone who has the talent to think of it AND bring it to market. The main target will be movie studios I think -- already they have to fight off hacks who claim that someone read their script and stole the idea, now they'd be liable even if the "idea" was never shown to anyone or published.

  5. Where am I... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know why they want to spend billions going to Mars... this planet is bizzare enough.

    1. Re:Where am I... by thej1nx · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't know why they want to spend billions going to Mars... this planet is bizzare enough.

      You are wondering why Scientist want to go to Mars ? Self Explanatory. They want to escape all this bizzareness :P

  6. Publish, not issue by Aneurysm9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get it right. Even the article does. These are patent applications that are being published because of a recent statutory change requiring publication of all patent applications 18 months after filing. This has nothing to do with whether or not letters patent will be granted.

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    1. Re:Publish, not issue by Radrik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. A story has no utility. Thank God that AC knows what is going on. Listen: Just because the patent application has been published doesn't mean that the patent has been granted. They're working on a 2 1/2 year backlog, and they publish applications to stop people from applying for things over and over again.

      max born, no one has been able to come up with an example of prior art for the Amazon one-click patent. Honestly, if that's not a case of a decent software patent, what is?

    2. Re:Publish, not issue by cheesedog · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Oh, you might be surprised what kind of triviality the patent office grants -- see this poster's list.

      And, sadly, it looks like this guy is serious. Looks like he's even set up a practice to promote helping others get storyline patents.

  7. They haven't issued anything by imthesponge · · Score: 5, Informative
    U.S. Patent Office Publishes the First Patent Application to Claim a Fictional Storyline; Inventor Asserts Provisional Rights Against Hollywood

    ...

    Will Knights claimed storyline pass the rigors of nonobviousness and issue as a U.S. Patent? ...

  8. Patent these quickly! by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    [wo]man vs. nature
    [wo]man vs. [wo]man
    [wo]man vs. the environment
    [wo]man vs. machines/technology
    [wo]man vs. the supernatural
    [wo]man vs. self
    [wo]man vs. god/religion

    That pretty much covers everything.

    1. Re:Patent these quickly! by Maradine · · Score: 4, Funny

      Leaving us the fertile artistic ground of [The Environment vs. Nature] and [The Machines vs. God]. I am *so* in.

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    2. Re:Patent these quickly! by Drantin · · Score: 3, Funny

      entity vs. (other) entity
      entity vs. circumstance(s)
      entity vs. nonentity

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    3. Re:Patent these quickly! by dkf · · Score: 2, Funny

      entity vs. nonentity

      That's the IBM vs. SCO case, isn't it?

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  9. Reductio ad Absurdum by ewhac · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...And here are the assholes who have been doing the legal legwork to make this possible. Here is their argument in law, which draws heavily on the flawed, idiotic precedents established with software patents.

    The system is now officially broken, and anyone who takes the USPTO seriously after today is part of the problem.

    Schwab

    1. Re:Reductio ad Absurdum by jerometremblay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I really hope it is granted. The more abused the system is, the quicker it will have to be fixed.

      Maybe the MPAA and RIAA will have to put those lawers to a good use for once.

    2. Re:Reductio ad Absurdum by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ...And here are the assholes who have been doing the legal legwork to make this possible. Here is their argument in law, which draws heavily on the flawed, idiotic precedents established with software patents.
      Okay... this is either going to burn karma like there's no tomorrow, or be a huge piece of whoring.

      Good On 'Em!

      Yeah, that's right, I'm cheering.

      The law appears to allow it. The law is probably broken. Will anything be done about how broken the law is unless people realise it's broken? 'Course not, it never is... unless it's something that threatens your or my "national interests", but that's straying into "-1 Offtopic" and "-1 Flamebait" territory.

      So, if things are broken, and they won't get fixed until someone is caught taking advantage of the situation, then let them try to take advantage of the situation and let the public know!

    3. Re:Reductio ad Absurdum by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Maybe the MPAA and RIAA will have to put those lawers [sic] to a good use for once.

      Are you kidding? The MPAA will pee themselves with delight over this. They will support this wholeheartedly.

      Analysis:

      The issue of, "Who owns the story," is a thorny one in Hollywood. Professional screenwriters -- many of whom, by the way, are unionized because the studios kept abusing them way back when -- often retain the copyrights to their stories. Among other things, copyright affords the author the right to enjoin performance of their story in most media (since those are derivative works). However, copyright's scope is limited. You only have a case against a studio if the copying was direct. If the studio's work was substantially similar, then you get to sit in court for years and argue exactly how similar it was, and whether the studio's work A) constitutes plagiarism, and B) whether the degree of plagiarism is sufficient to warrant punishment by the courts. See Buchwald vs. Paramount for an example of how messy this can get.

      Further, if a writer feels that s/he's being maltreated by the studios, s/he can vote with their feet and simply choose to work for someone else under different, hopefully better conditions. (In practice, this is more difficult than I'm making it sound.)

      However, if plotline elements can be patented, then there will be a mad rush by the studios to acquire as many patents as possible. Once done, screenwriters will no longer be able to ply their trade without being expressly licensed by the studio to do so. The balance of power will shift massively to the studios, who will wield absolute veto power over who may write screenplays, and under what circumstances. ("I want to retain rights to the story." "I'm sorry; we don't offer plot element licenses under those conditions.")

      This will also effectively kill those pesky independent screenwriters and film studios, since the large studios will simply refuse to license the plot elements. (The large studios won't have any difficulty; they'll merely cross-license with each other.) The studios could also, if they so wished, break the screenwriters' union overnight.

      And, of course, you'll hear a bunch of self-serving blathering about how film production is massively expensive, and successful film plots are already hard to come by, so successful plot elements should be afforded the maximum protection possible because, darn it, it was expensive to develop. This "reasoning" is, of course, complete bullshit, but it'll play well in the trade magazines and the halls of Congress.

      Schwab

    4. Re:Reductio ad Absurdum by Eric+Smalley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps the Writers Guild of America could link its screenplay Registry to the Prior Art Database or feed directly to the USPTO. Screenwriters routinely submit their manuscripts. In fact, almost no studio, production company or agent will look at an unregistered script. As of about 10 years ago there were around 7,500 scripts registered each year. That should cover just about any conceivable reductionist plot line. Perhaps we can make it so that these people will have to essentially write the full works in order to establish novelty.

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  10. The Worst Part Is... by susano_otter · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... that's got to be the lamest story line I've ever heard.

    Not to mention the fact that Rip Van Winkle, King Arthur, and Sleeping Beauty are all prior art.

    Hrm.

    Sleeping Beauty?

    Maybe the worst part is what Disney is going to do to this guy...

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  11. Wait, Slashdot sensationalism alert. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linked article title:

    U.S. Patent Office Publishes the First Patent Application to Claim a Fictional Storyline; Inventor Asserts Provisional Rights Against Hollywood

    Thanks to the posters below, thought I would put it up here so people see it.

    - TheSpoom

  12. Impressive Prior Art Though... by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a good body of prior art out there to invalidate many patents. All you need to do is work on an existing story archetype. That's a pretty wide range, covering the entire literary world to date.

    According to Joseph Campbell, nearly all good stories conform to a standard cycle (the name of which eludes me right now), making all heroic-type stories unpatentable.

    Shame about originality though. And also a shame that if someone comes to sue you, you've got to go through a long process to prove that you weren't copying their stuff. The one with the biggest legal bill will probably win.

    What was wrong with copyright anyway? All works of fiction are under copyright, and there are existing ways to deal with transgressions. Plagiarism is anethema to real authors, as well.

    1. Re:Impressive Prior Art Though... by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's called the Hero's Journey (also known as the monomyth). Essentially there's only two types of stories: the Hero's Journey and the Ritual Occasion.

  13. Followup by ewhac · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Okay, so they haven't actually granted the patent yet; it's only an application at this stage.

    However, the fact that the USPTO accepted the application at all merely reinforces my assertion: The USPTO is now officially broken.

    Schwab

    1. Re:Followup by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, they're obligated to accept it, so long as the paperwork and bribe are all proper.

      You misspelt bribe. I corrected it in my quote for you.

  14. Palm Sunday. by killjoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In his book Palm Sunday Kurt Vonnegut talks about a project he completed in school where he graphed the happiness curve of the main character over the course of the book/story. He examined many popular stories and found out that all of the stories he looked at shared only a handful of common graphs. It's been a while but I remember him saying that the book of genesis has the same graph as cinderalla for example.

    Whoever patents the five or six storylines that are the basis for virtually all books will become richer then Bill Gates.

    The neat thing about this is that you don't have to actuall write the books yourself. The patent office punishes the people who get off their ass and do things while rewarding people who get in the patent line early and patent things they have never built or made.

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    1. Re:Palm Sunday. by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're thinking of the Hero's Journey story type. Fits like a glove over pretty much any Hollywood movie you can care to name.

    2. Re:Palm Sunday. by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lots of people have done this type of analysis, and it is quite valuable. That doesn't mean that the subject matter is without merit, however. EVERY Simpsons episode has followed roughly the same structure for ten years, and it still captivates audiences. Ever notice that the first 5 minutes have nothing to do with the next 25? Yup, that's the one.

      Someone is going to mod me up for saying this, then mod me down for being obvious, but read The Hero with a Thousand Faces. It goes into painstaking detail about the idealized hero story, and yet the structure fits tons of popular and historical media such as Terminator 2, Heart of Darkness, Cowboy Bebop, Tarzan, Blade, Odysseus, the new testament in the Bible, etc, etc.

      There are several other structures out there, and nearly infinite variants, but if you look at media with a critical eye you will find that all good films, books, shows, and games fall into set patterns of challenges, setbacks, losses, and eventual triumph (or not). If I may be so bold, most truly great pieces of media aren't made by artists, but by craftsmen. An artist explores their feelings as they create, producing something which is generally more intellectually engaging than emotionally so. A craftsman knows every tool of their trade, and hones their skills, tricks, and abilities towards controlling the viewer's reaction. Spielberg is a master craftsman. Vonnegut is a craftsman. Even in artistic pieces like Y Tu Mama Tambien, the craftsmanship is present and in the forefront.

      I say this because too many people try to create media from the heart, without realizing that you really need to engage your head thoroughly in order to focus on how to effect the heart of your audience. These people are master magicians: they conjure up images and emotions using smoke and mirrors. And like master magicians, they have to know the routines, and know how to work the routines so that they don't seem like routines. Part of the magic is taking something that was slaved over for years, with every detail hashed out and revised in painstaking detail, and making it look completley natural and unintended.

      But there is magic, there is structure. And if you want to become a magician, you need to give up the magic and learn how it is done.

    3. Re:Palm Sunday. by Vengeance · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have always thought of that aspect of 'The Simpsons' as being rather akin to Sunday comics. The first splash panel is often unrelated to the comic as a whole.

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  15. Someone should patent porno movie plots by craXORjack · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cause that industry can afford to pay big bucks and they only have one storyline:

    Knock knock!
    Who is it?
    Pizza Delivery!/Copier Repairman!/Pool Cleaner!
    Bow-chicka-bow-bow

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  16. Re:What about prior art? by sharkb8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Novelty and nonobviousness are where prior art comes in. Novelty essentially means that a applicaiton is not exactly the same as another (or a combination of) patent/reference. Unobviousness means that an application is not so close to another (or a combination of) patents and references.

    No way this gets past utility.

  17. Patent Office is philosophically broke by Dark+Coder · · Score: 3, Informative
    Check out the most frivolous and most obvious patents, such as

    1. 'how to swing on a swing set',
    2. Stamp moistener (with your tongue!!!),
    3. Towel with a neck loop,
    4. Light bulb changer, weighing over 100 lbs.,
    5. 6 duplicative patents on 'cat toys on a string attached to a stick'1,2,3,4,5,6,


    Many of the not so credible patents have inate and self-evident common senses that have been documented by Greek/Roman historians in B.C. times!

    This is not what us commoner had envision for our ideal patent system. Oh boy, Adam Smith must be hotly spinning in his grave!

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  18. And here's their email: by Sebby · · Score: 2, Informative
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  19. Hey America by Quirk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You're fucked!

    Seriously fucked

    What sickens me is your sickness is going to seep into Canada. I'll fight this one tooth and nail.

    Really, at the risk of being redundant you are deeply badly fucked.

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  20. Marines by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 4, Funny

    What on earth does the statue of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima have to do with this patent company's About Us page?

        They have another reason to be ashamed... Not to mention their whole site looks like it was done in Front Page. Oh wait... It was :)

    meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0"

    1. Re:Marines by Zordak · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My brother is a Marine, and quite frankly, I'm offended that this loser would use the imagery of one of their proudest moments. He's blatantly trying to trade on the strong patriotitic feelings that image stirs, and the attempted imagery would be laughable if it weren't so perverse. At Iwo Jima, the probabilities were stacked against the Marines (often the case with Marines) but they took the island by the strength of their tenacity. There's a reason their enemies gave them the nickname "Devil Dogs." If this moron is trying to equate himself to them (and despite the location, I think that's exactly what he's doing), saying he'll tenaciously fight until he secures what he believes to be his rights, it's one of the sickest things I've seen in my life. If he truly wanted to suggest his location, he could have used several buildings more instantly identifiable with Washington, D.C. without defecating on the memory of Mt. Suribachi.

      Second, yes this moron is a lawyer, but he's a patent lawyer, which means he has a technical degree. He got it from MIT (and yes, I still think he's a moron). I'm in law school, and I am quite comfortable in vi. I use vi to write my case briefs in LaTeX. If he doesn't know how to use vi himself, he ought to be smart enough to hire someone who does. There's no reason to have a bad webpage.

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  21. Re:Copy by craXORjack · · Score: 5, Informative
    So if I were to photocopy a page out of a textbook and give it to students would I be a) infringing the patent b) violating copyright c) both?

    A textbook wouldn't have a storyline so the answer could not be (a) or (c). However, whether you are violating (b) depends on whether the page you photocopied was from a textbook printed on paper or an electronic book which displays text encoded digitally. In the first case, the old and established Fair Use Act covers this and no violation has occured. In the second case, the DMCA comes into play and you would be subject to penalties on par with those for second degree murder.

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  22. New ways to protect mediocrity... by psiber · · Score: 3, Informative

    WTF? The "About Us" section of Knight's website states:

    "Recognizing that fierce competition for publication and financial reward focused on the quality of storytelling, as opposed to the quality of the underlying storyline itself, and further recognizing that even the world's most skilled storytellers (of which he is clearly not) rarely turn a profit, his unique fictional storylines have matured into pending patent applications instead of novels or screenplays. He thus seeks reward on the true value of his innovations--the underlying storylines--instead of forced, sub-par expressions of these underlying storylines." (http://www.plotpatents.com/about_us.htm)

    Basically, he wants to get paid for coming up with a story idea and not the work of turning the idea into an actual GOOD story because he is not a skilled storyteller. Here's an idea for you: (1 come up with a good story idea (2 find a skilled storyteller and (3 contract them to write the story (with both names appearing on the work maybe? or not in which case this is just hiring a ghost writer). Oh yeah, he'd have to actually DO THE WORK of looking for a skilled storyteller he is able to work with. How about this one then: (1 come up with a good story idea (2 write a BAD story (3 what for someone to copy it and (4 sue them under copyright law. Oh yeah, the duplicate story would have to be VERY similar to the original to be considered for copyright infringement and would most likely be just as bad as the original and not sell either, so he still would not get paid. I can see why so many foreigners see us Americans as lazy...

    Besides, the idea behind the patent system is you can patent your idea, PRODUCE your idea (which Knight apparently IS NOT GOING TO DO with his story ideas), and try to make money from it without having to worry about a bigger competitor copying your idea and profiting from your creativity... Oh yeah, the patent system is still broken... never mind...

  23. Re:Possible suggestion to END PATENTS by ScrappyLaptop · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hey, don't get me wrong; I too think that the system no longer serves it's original purpose. And, I like the idea of patent trusts; I like the idea of public trusts even more.

    However, what you are proposing is a direct attack on the operation and function of a government agency. In case you haven't noticed, "Peaceful protest" is no longer tolerated at a federal level. In fact, what you propose could be construed as terrorism (don't laugh, careers advance on this stuff), leading the USPTO to finally get put under the protective wing of the DHS.

    My original point was just that large corporations like IBM already do exactly what you are proposing, and in numbers that dwarf what you could organize. Problem is, it hasn't fixed a thing and instead has contributed to the lack of scrutiny given current applications. You see, not only would you have to own these thousands of minutea patents, but you will also need to fund the lawyers to protect them. The patent office is willing to grant a patent to just about anything; they figure any problems will get resolved in the courts. Of course, that solution works just fine if you own an army of attorneys or happen to be an army of attorneys...or a politician that once part of an army of attorneys or who is owned by an army of attorneys or a corporation that owns an army of attorneys...

  24. Land Grab by headkase · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The impression I've been building as I read each example of this kind of crap is that the US through organizations such as the WTO and internally with "IP" laws is trying to grab as big a piece of the pie as it can in the initial Information Age. Nobody knows what the future is going to be like in 20 years but it's a safe bet that if you weight the rules to favor your nation (which doesn't neccessarily mean individuals within it) so that you "own" everything then stategicaly you should be better off. If something like this idea isn't making it's way through the machinery of the US government then they must simply be incompetent or playing pork barrel games.
    You know, in China which tends towards the opposite of US IP laws, every motivated individual still has their stuff but as you work up into business organizations they simply have different rules that make things work their way. For example, music piracy is (more) rampant in China so instead of record labels sitting back and raking in the dough there are no record labels and artists are paid through corporate sponsorships - different systems that accomplish the same effect of getting a person their music.

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  25. Re:There are only seven original stories by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Now choose random book/movie/video game and try to assign them to one of these seven categories. I choose the episode Ariel from FireFly:


    The crew helps Simon infiltrate a ritzy planet's hospital for info on the experiments going on at River's school. But as he uncovers the cause of her psychosis, a betrayal by one of the Serenity members puts the Tam siblings back in the hands of the Alliance.


    Wow, what category does this fit into? Let's try all of them shall we?

    • ACHILLES. Simon thinks he's the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, so he plans a flawless crime where both he, his sister and the crew get everything they want, but he forgot his fatal flaw! He's too trusting and Jayne's betrayal leads his plan into jeopardy.
    • CINDERELLA. Simon's dream to go home with his sister comes true as he once more goes back to core planet and even gets the chance to practice medicine, saving a life and telling off an intern, even though it threatens the job and risks their capture.
    • CIRCE. Jayne goes along with the plan, even pretending that he's friends with Simon and River but it turns out he was betraying them!!
    • FAUST. Simon sinks further into the underworld of libertarian crime, but by the end of the tail he learns that criminals can rarely be trusted.
    • ORPHEUS. The most obvious, the crew decend into hell (a core planet) complete with Simon and River simulating their own deaths to do it. The minions of hell try to claw at them and keep them from escaping but, with the help of their friends, they make it out with a precious secret.
    • ROMEO and JULIET. Simon would do anything for his sister, including die for her.
    • TRISTAN and ISOLDE. Simon struggles to repair his sister's damaged brain, ignoring Kaylee's obvious affection for him.


    Yah. What have we learn about categories?
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  26. Good news! by JamesTRexx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hollywood will die slowly as a new Hollywood without patent restrictions will emerge in Europe or Asia.
    Maybe it'll be the end of the Oscars as a bonus.

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  27. Hey ... by ggvaidya · · Score: 3, Insightful
    1. Re:Hey ... by julesh · · Score: 3, Funny

      "To obtain the patent [on a wheel] the applicant must make a declaration that they are the inventor."

      Haven't these guys ever heard of reinventing the wheel? Sheesh.

  28. Parody? by makomk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about parody? Surely this would prevent anyone parodying said stories either? Copyright law protects the right to make parodies of copyrighted works, but I'm guessing the same doesn't apply to patents on storylines.

  29. Blame the voters. by I+am+Jack's+username · · Score: 5, Funny
    >> Action is needed to reverse this, but I doubt we'll
    >> see it while Bush is still in power.
    >
    > I'm not a Bush fan in the slightest, but I don't see it
    > being the kind of thing a Democrat president would give
    > a crap about, either.

    So long, and thanks for all the fish — Douglas Adams:

    "On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

    "Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

    "I did," said ford. "It is."

    "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

    "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

    "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

    "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

    "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

    "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."

  30. Link to the patent application and analysis by julesh · · Score: 2, Informative

    (Just posted this on another site, but it should be here as well:)

    And here's the patent application:

    The relevant parts:

    I claim:

    1. A process of relaying a story having a timeline and a unique plot involving characters, comprising: indicating a character's desire at a first time in said timeline for at least one of the following: a) to remain asleep or unconscious until a particular event occurs; and b) to forget or be substantially unable to recall substantially all events during the time period from said first time until a particular event occurs; indicating said character's substantial inability at a time after said occurrence of said particular event to recall substantially all events during the time period from said first time to said occurrence of said particular event; and indicating that during said time period said character was an active participant in a plurality of events.


    OK, so this claim covers all stories which involve characters that wish to sleep until something happens, apparently achieving this wish, and then discovering that they were awake but don't remember everything that happened in the meantime.

    Typical practice in patent applications is to put something very broad in the first claim in the hopes that it will be granted, but not to actually expect it to be enforceable because the chances are somebody has done something similar before. (If anybody can name stories that follow this structure, published before Nov 28, 2003, now is the time to tell the USPTO about it).

    2. A process of relaying a story as in claim 1, comprising: indicating that said particular event has occurred at a second time in said timeline at least one week after said first time; and indicating said character's substantial inability at a time after said second time to recall substantially all events during the time period from said first time to said second time.

    Claim 2 is the same story where the event waited for takes at least a week to occur, and everything that happened is forgotten about.

    3. A process of relaying a story as in claim 2, wherein said second time is at least one year after said first time.

    The same, except a year or more elapses.

    4. A process of relaying a story as in claim 1, wherein said particular event is at least one of: a passing of a particular amount of time; a notification of a decision; and a relief of a pain.

    5. A process of relaying a story as in claim 1, wherein said plurality of events comprises at least one of said character's wedding, a birth of a child of said character, and performance of said character's occupation for a substantial portion of said time period.


    Things a character might wait for and things that might happen during the wait.

    6. A process of relaying a story as in claim 1, further comprising indicating a belief held by at least three other characters that said character was conscious during said active participation in said plurality of events.

    Something that's likely to happen after the character 'wakes up'.

    7. A process of relaying a story as in claim 1, wherein each of said steps of indicating comprises indicating in a written form.

    8. A process of relaying a story as in claim 1, wherein each of said steps of indicating comprises indicating in a video form.


    Books, TV series and films are covered.

    9. A process of relaying a story as in claim 8, wherein said process is a process of displaying a motion picture having a timeline and a unique plot, comprising: displaying a video representation of an actor acting as said character; displaying a video representation of said actor indicating at said first time in said timeline a desire for said at l

  31. But Is He Serious? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But is this Knight guy actually serious about this? Is this all just satire to show that the USPTO is incompetant?

    The site is so absurb that it almost does count as some kind of anti-patent comic sketch.

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  32. New Wave Lawyers by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This doofus JUST GOT OUT OF LAW SCHOOL.

    This "doofus" is part of the New Wave of Hip young legal eagles, trained in the modern intellectual property mindset, who are going to sweep away all your old outdated notions of "justice" and "fairness" and take the legal industry to new heights of glorious profit!

    So Preacheth The Church Of The New Global Economy! Hail Satan!!

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  33. The application is up at USPTO - this isn't a joke by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I ran a search for "storyline" and found the claim for "Process of relaying a story having a unique plot."

    This guy seems serious. Now let's just hope the USPTO realizes the stupidity of allowing even an application for this sort of patent. Stories have been around since the beginnings of humanity. Patenting the ideas behind them would be like patenting speech itself.

    I still can't believe this. It's like something out of The Onion.

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  34. Sane by Tony · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, that's a weird idea, but it seems to me that they're basically forcing the government to deal with the problem. Surely any halfway intelligent person can see that this system just isn't working

    I've highlighted the flaws in your argument. Otherwise, it's the only sane explanation.

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  35. Misleading header and confusion by __aayurq3262 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The USPTO did not "issue" a storyline patent. They published a copy of the patent application filed by some idiot who wants a patent on a storyline. He gets no rights unless the PTO actually grants the patent. So far no one has ever been granted such a patent. You can file an application asking them to give you a patent on anything - it doesn't mean you're going to get it. Don't shoot the PTO until they actually grant this one. They are legally obligated to publish it - so that means nothing. The application was published, not "issued." There's also a lot of confusion here over the word "provisional" as used with patents. There is something called a "provisional patent application" and there is something called "provisional patent rights." They are totally different things and are unrelated. The "provisional patent application" is a way of starting the patent process. You get no rights with it unless you later file a patent and that patent is approved. Provisional patent applications are never examined and are never published. "Provisional rights" refers to rights you get after your non-provisional patent application is published. Patent applications used to be secret. When the decision was made to publish them, it seemed only fair that if somebody learned about the invention because of the publishing and began to copy the invention, the inventor should get a "reasonable royalty" for that copying. Provisional rights apply only if the patent is ultimately granted, and only if the infringer is actually notified of the provisional rights. The inventor only gets a "reasonable royalty."