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Peter J. Quinn Investigated for Travel Omissions

tadelste writes to tell us O'Reilly is reporting that a recent story in the Boston News about Peter J. Quinn is nothing more than a desperate attempt to slant public opinion in the Massachusetts OpenDocument frenzy. While we have documents showing Microsoft's lobbyists paying for big trips for the former House Majority Leader and his family to go to England and Scotland, Mr. Quinn seems to be getting the spotlight for incomplete travel records. From the article in question: "On most of the trips, Quinn said, his travel and other expenses were paid for by the sponsors of the conferences. On two of the trips -- to Tucson and Washington, D.C. -- Quinn paid his own way, according to state records and an interview with Quinn."

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  1. Who the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is Peter J. Quinn?

    1. Re:Who the hell by B4L1STA · · Score: 1

      According to the Macc.gov site:

      Peter Quinn has served as Chief Information Officer (CIO) for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts since September of 2002 and Director of the Commonwealth's Information Technology Division (ITD). Mr. Quinn is also Founding Chair of the Government Open Code Collaborative (GOCC). As ITD Director and CIO, under the Executive Office for Administration and Finance, Mr. Quinn is responsible for setting information technology standards in the Commonwealth. Mr. Quinn came to public service following a successful career in private sector IT, most recently as the CIO for Boston Financial Data Services.

    2. Re:Who the hell by tadelste · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where have you been? He's the guy Microsoft hates for making the OASIS OpenDocument Format the state standard and opening the door to openoffice.org and Sun's Star Office 8. He's been instrumental in getting government to use open source software. After the ruling Microsoft went bonkers. here a quote from Bernard Golden of IDG: Microsoft has reached out to a couple of politicians in Massachusetts and gotten them to object to the process of this decision. The politicians have raised issues that mandating ODF would also mandate use of OpenOffice and that OpenOffice's open source license would mean that any commercial product that attempted to comply with the mandate would also become open source. This would certainly cause commercial vendors to avoid participating in Massachusetts IT tenders, thereby reducing choice for the state.

    3. Re:Who the hell by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Informative

      Peter J. Quinn is the CIO for Massachusetts. He's the guy ultimately responsible for picking ODF over Microsoft, which then resulted in MS making their XML-based document formats for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint "open".

      Groklaw already has an article on it basically exonerating Mr. Quinn.

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    4. Re:Who the hell by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      here a quote from Bernard Golden of IDG: Microsoft has reached out to a couple of politicians in Massachusetts and gotten them to object to the process of this decision. The politicians have raised issues that mandating ODF would also mandate use of OpenOffice and that OpenOffice's open source license would mean that any commercial product that attempted to comply with the mandate would also become open source.

      Wow, two FUD-bites in one quote: (1) mandating ODF would mandate (i.e., force) use of OpenOffice; and (2) vendors that create products compliant with ODF are forced to become open-source. Obviously 200% bull, but an impressive serving of it.

      Not that I doubt the veracity of what you're saying, but do you possibly have a link for this quote? Really, it belongs in a FUD gallery somewhere.

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    5. Re:Who the hell by neillewis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft is already paying for development of an ODF converter for MS Office. They'd rather feed smear stories to the press and buy off politicians than give their customers what they want, but they'll readily support OpenDocument if they start losing those customers.

      Either way, it looks like the days of the Office monopoly are numbered, and the 75% monopoly rent profit margin too. Micosoft only has itself to blame if it doesn't want to compete on a level playing field.

    6. Re:Who the hell by patio11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's the CIO of Massachusetts. A real stand-up guy, I translated for him for three days when he came to Japan. Committed to open source, very concerned about open document formats specifically because he thinks governmental organizations need access to documents in perpetuity and shouldn't lock-in to a vendor.

    7. Re:Who the hell by penix1 · · Score: 1

      "Microsoft is already paying for development of an ODF converter for MS Office. They'd rather feed smear stories to the press and buy off politicians than give their customers what they want, but they'll readily support OpenDocument if they start losing those customers."

      And as I keep replying to people who insist the MS will "support" ODF....

      SUPPORT != DEFAULT

      Have you ever been in any MS office product and tried to change the default? I can just about assure you that the default will be (or already is) MS XML patents and all. People are lazy when it comes to saving documents and won't go through hoops to change the format even with the law being what it is.

      B.

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    8. Re:Who the hell by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well ... sorry for replying to my own post, but I found the link.

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    9. Re:Who the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post was rated "Funny," but I think it's quite serious. Really, Who The F*ck is this guy? Yeah, I could RTFA, but I'm not going to bother when (a) I never heard of him and (b) nothing in the intro explains why I should give a sh*t.

      "Hey, guess what? John Doe was told by his employer to submit some more receipts for his expense report. Let's alert the world and act like it matters!"

      I've got better things to do with my time (despite all evidence to the contrary).

    10. Re:Who the hell by arkanes · · Score: 1

      One of the Massachusets requirements is that the default file format must be, or must be alterable to, the OpenDoc format. I was all ready to give MS the benefit of the doubt, too, reading the Office developer blogs and hearing them talk about how MS has turned a new leaf and is really dedicated to interoperability and open standards. And in fairness, maybe the Office guys believe that.

    11. Re:Who the hell by omz · · Score: 1

      is a man with big big balls... ask m$

    12. Re:Who the hell by morganew · · Score: 2, Informative

      A little clarification would be a good idea though --

      #1 It IS a mandate. Page 18 of v3.5 of the ETRM states that documents shall be saved in the ODF format. Not a mandate for OO.o, but a mandate for ODF; the ETRM spells out what programs are currently supported. It's an odd mandate because page 21 that says "oh yeah, you can use pdf as well".

      The fact that they list off supported programs gets a little fuzzy. Government documents often 'require' things by listing off acceptable purchases. Even odder is the fact that at the time the ETRM was released, NONE of the listed programs supported the OASIS standard ODF format in a non-beta version. So the fact that they listed programs that were expected to support definitely suggests a pseudo-mandate. If they had left the named programs off, I think it would have been far cleaner and less suspect.

      Here's the relevant lines from ETRM v3.5:

      Guidelines - The OpenDocument format must be used for office documents such as text documents (.odt), spreadsheets (.ods), and presentations (.odp). The OpenDocument format is currently supported by a variety of office applications including OpenOffice.org, StarOffice, KOffice, and IBM Workplace.

      Any acquisition of new office applications must support the OpenDocument standard.

      #2 is obviously totally wrong. ODF doesn't make anything automatically OSS.

      I think what they were complaining about was Eric Kriss' line that "Sovereignty trumps IP 100% of the time", but who knows.

      My biggest beef with the whole thing is how everyone pretends that this is something other than a corporate battle between Sun, IBM and Microsoft. With Google just hanging out on the sidelines, waiting to crush all.

      An IBM owned company produced the study that led to this decision, Sun and IBM dominate the board of OASIS, and Microsoft is likley to control the board of ECMA for their new OpenXML standard.

      This isn't good versus evil, it's big publicly held companies using the standards process to do battle. It ain't nothing new, just look at the standards wars in the wireless phone space!

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    13. Re:Who the hell by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      > Have you ever been in any MS office product and tried to change the default?

      Have you? In Word, it's about three clicks.

      A competent administrators should be able to set the default format across the entire organization via Group Policy in an afternoon. This is already common practice for Office sites which do rolling upgrades (eg most people using Office 2006 will want to revert the default back to DOC instead of the XML formats.)

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    14. Re:Who the hell by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the very informative post. I hope someone mods it up.

      Anyway -- if I may add one tiny clarification to your clarification ;)

      #1 It IS a mandate. Page 18 of v3.5 of the ETRM states that documents shall be saved in the ODF format. Not a mandate for OO.o, but a mandate for ODF; the ETRM spells out what programs are currently supported.

      We both agree that ODF is mandated whereas OO.o is not. Bernard Golden's point was that MS has recruited some politicans to shill the FUD that mandating ODF would mandate OO.o as well.

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    15. Re:Who the hell by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      As near as I can tell, Microsoft is paying for a filter that will let Microsoft office read OpenOffice documents.

          - Read, not write.

          - OpenOffice documents (as used in OpenOffice 1.x) not Open Document Format

      The project everyone keeps pointing to is unquestionally only an input filter, it won't help you save documents in whatever format it reads, and in the project description it only mentions "OpenOffice format". OpenOffice format isn't ODF, and Open Document Format is not mentioned one single time anywhere in the sf.net project description. Anywhere.

      This is Microsoft's idea of "supporting ODF" ?

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  2. Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may not by yagu · · Score: 0, Troll

    I read the article, all set to be outraged by what a PR spin this was to make this guy, and by association, the proposal for Open Document format for Massechusetts, and by meta-association, Open Source, ad nauseum, look bad.

    You know what? It does look bad, but it looks bad for Quinn and his possible ethical lapses. If this guy really did schmooze, if he really was on the dole for anyone, then, my "side" or not, it's not good and it's wrong! I hope it's mostly a case of not dotting the i's, not crossing the t's, but if it's not, he owes an explanation.

    Quinn had (and still has) the potential to be a contributor to the Open movement. He also has the potential to knock it back a peg or two.

    I'm huge Open Source, linux, anti-Microsoft (in the "I-wish-they-would-cut-out-the-monopolistic-abuse- crap" sense), but not at the cost of ethics.

  3. When you thought Slashdot couldn't sink any lower. by Seumas · · Score: 0, Troll

    They post articles citing Bill O'Reilly as a news source.

  4. Re:Who the heck by saskboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The link is already getting slow so here's the info:
    Peter Quinn has served as Chief Information Officer (CIO) for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts since September of 2002 and Director of the Commonwealth's Information Technology Division (ITD). Mr. Quinn is also Founding Chair of the Government Open Code Collaborative (GOCC). As ITD Director and CIO, under the Executive Office for Administration and Finance, Mr. Quinn is responsible for setting information technology standards in the Commonwealth. Mr. Quinn came to public service following a successful career in private sector IT, most recently as the CIO for Boston Financial Data Services

    http://www.mass.gov/portal/site/massgovportal/menu item.2231afa58be831c14db4a11030468a0c/?pageID=itdu tilities&L=1&sid=Aitd&U=quinn_bio_publicsite

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  5. he is by Deitheres · · Score: 1
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  6. that's nothing!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should see what they say about Thurston P. Quackenbush! I hear he kicked a puppy. Egads!

    Seriously, how about a little backstory here? Or just give me the summary: is this good or bad for Microsoft? News for nerds? Stuff that matters? Hello?

  7. Re:When you thought Slashdot couldn't sink any low by saskboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sorry, but this is the IT publshing company, not our friend Bill O'Idiot of Fox News.
    http://weblogs.oreilly.com/

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  8. My bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that post was still occupied by Peter I. Quinn! Sorry for the confusion.

    1. Re:My bad by Deitheres · · Score: 1

      Oh it's ok... I can understand the confusion given that Quinton J Peters preceded Peter I Quinn in the position!

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    2. Re:My bad by AoT · · Score: 1

      Re: your sig

      So, I am learning latin and your sig seems wrong to me.

      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur

      Why decipio in the first person perfect tense in the first part and the third person in the second half?

      It seems to translate as "the people want to be deceived(me to deceive them), so they are deceived.

      sorry for the off topic, i have to get up to speed by spring semester.

  9. Re:When you thought Slashdot couldn't sink any low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 funny

  10. Re:When you thought Slashdot couldn't sink any low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought you Canadians had a great sense of humor? How'd this one fly over your head?!

  11. Re:WTF by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's MS dragging the name of a government official through the mud just because he is choosing open standards over MS.

    It's kinda what /. is for.

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  12. Guts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At worst, if Quinn got free vacations at OSS conferences paid by OSS corporations, it will show that at least OSS corporations are fighting proprietary corporations like Microsoft in an arena where victories are won every day: buying political decisions. The OSS revolution is a practical one, not an ideological one (though some ideologues like Stallman can be useful). Maybe once the tiny sector of government that is its technology formats and software is open and transparent, we'll have some luck fixing the political part. Until then, I remember the fortune cookie "it's best not to know how laws and sausages are made".

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    1. Re:Guts by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Why? what's so bad about sausages?

      seriously though, this would've been a great opportunity for an object lesson. He should've stored all of the plans and approvals in an old, no longer easily accessable format. Come to think of it, nothing in TFA specifically precludes this from having been his course of action all along...

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    2. Re:Guts by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The OSS revolution is a practical one, not an ideological one (though some ideologues like Stallman can be useful).

      It's funny you make this comment, given Stallman is the leader of the Free Software revolution, not the Open Source Software revolution. The OSS revolution was created precisely because of a disagreement over this obsessive focus over ideology: OSS's ideology focused more on the practical effects of open software, though with the ideological assumption that open source will always end up producing cheaper and better code.

      But I would claim that the ideology of OSS can be proven wrong simply by pointing out places were there's niche proprietary software used in appliances (note, not embedded work); the constant rewriting of such small code snippits doesn't really leave room for different development model to cause measurable quality or price differentiations. Not surprisingly the OSS camp is inclined to simply call FS people "nuts" because they desire for even firmware and bioses to be open. So, I whole-heartedly agree the ideology of Stallman can be useful. It's just the ideology of free software, not open source software.

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    3. Re:Guts by fizzup · · Score: 1

      Uh... I think you meant, "it's best not to know how laws and sausages are made in bed."

    4. Re:Guts by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I saw a great refutation to that quote, in someone's signature here:

      "The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism."

      From http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169368 &cid=14119001

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    5. Re:Guts by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a cop-out to me. Two wrongs don't make a right.

      It would be very practical to bomb MS headquarters, making sure to take out Gates and Ballmer, but I doubt you advocate that.

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    6. Re:Guts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      It's not a copout, and it's also not a revolutionary stance. I personally wouldn't take a bribe, or trust a politician who does. But I also realize that politics is not about trusting politicians, but getting things done. That's a bad state of affairs, but only a martyr tries to fix everything at once, without chance of success. Dirty, secretive business is part of the political system, and the secret part is the part that OSS has a chance at changing. Once we've got some tide-turning gains in that fight, we might have a chance to do something about its political counterpart. In the meantime, we've got all we can manage in just getting OSS to be the default, with proprietary SW the odd exception.

      Two wrongs don't make a right, but we're not trying to make a right out of the political process. We're trying to do OSS right, without resorting to even worse practices as a tradeoff. Accepting that politicians are on the take isn't anything like bombing MS headquarters. And OSS victory isn't anything like identical with cleaning up politics. Politics might be more important, but OSS is more urgent - and part of a winning strategy for both. As I said, the OSS revolution is practical - don't get that mixed up with ideology or purity, or you won't get very far.

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  13. Re:WTF by tadelste · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's news for nerds because it's about free software in the government - Linux, Openoffice.org, Firefox. It's also sad because Microsoft has to stoop to dirty tricks and can't accept it's loss like men.

  14. another paid ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    looks like scuttlemonkey got his xbox 360

    1. Re:another paid ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG! I hope he gets mugged on the way out of the conference.

  15. Happens to the best of us by TubeSteak · · Score: 0, Troll

    While it is unfortunate that people play politics with legal matters, breaking the law is breaking the law.

    And I don't mean breaking copyright law. So don't bring that up.

    Anti-corruption laws are there for a reason. You can peddle all the coke, whores, vacations and influence you like, but don't cry "BIAS" if you get caught.

    I find it to be an inherently dishonest position to take when someone who broke the law (and/or their apologists) tries to play themselves as the victim of prosecutors.

    The only situation (off the top of my head) where its fair to claim you're a victim is if you're being prosecuted under laws that have not been enforced or are so antiquated that they should have been stricken from the books entirely.

    It doesn't take an ethics class to figure out that "IT manager Peter Quinn of the Massachusetts state government" shoulda kept his goddamn paperwork in order. There is a reason they make you file all that shit in triplicate.

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    1. Re:Happens to the best of us by faedle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except, as it has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not obvious he actually broke the law.

      He went to a couple of trade shows on his own dime, and maybe didn't file every little slip of paperwork required. It happens. Was it a major ethics violation? No, it doesn't appear to be.

      Far from the two felony convictions Microsoft has recieved. If you, personally, recieved two felony convictions, you'd be disbarred from even bidding on projects with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Why is Microsoft seemingly the sole exception to just about every state's "felons cannot provide services to the state" statutes?

      Next time you go 5 MPH over the speed limit, I expect you to duly walk into the nearest police station and demand they write you a citation. After all, the law is the law.

    2. Re:Happens to the best of us by tadelste · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's unreasonable. It's not even enough money to warrant a Class C Misdemeanor. How do you know he didn't have exemptions. Most states follow the model paper work redution act. Mass is usually among the states that follow the model acts. The O'Reilly article says he that his boss was contacted and said he had permission. RTFA.

    3. Re:Happens to the best of us by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1
      "Next time you go 5 MPH over the speed limit, I expect you to duly walk into the nearest police station and demand they write you a citation."

      Point taken, however in MA the law says we must drive at speeds which are "safe and proper"; technically, the speed limit is just a guide. One could theoretically drive over the limit legally, or under the limit and still get a ticket (which would be dismissed by an angry judge, no doubt...).

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    4. Re:Happens to the best of us by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      however in MA the law says we must drive at speeds which are "safe and proper"

      Actually, what the General Laws of Massachusetts, Title XIV "Public Ways and Works", Chaper 90 "Motor Vehicles And Aircraft", Section 17 "Speed limits" says is:

      Section 17. No person operating a motor vehicle on any way shall run it at a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper, having regard to traffic and the use of the way and the safety of the public. Unless a way is otherwise posted in accordance with the provisions of section eighteen, it shall be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper as aforesaid (1) if a motor vehicle is operated on a divided highway outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding fifty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile, or (2) on any other way outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding forty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile, or (3) inside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding thirty miles per hour for a distance of one-eighth of a mile, or (4) within a school zone which may be established by a city or town as provided in section two of chapter eighty-five at a rate of speed exceeding twenty miles per hour. Operation of a motor vehicle at a speed in excess of fifteen miles per hour within one-tenth of a mile of a vehicle used in hawking or peddling merchandise and which displays flashing amber lights shall likewise be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper. If a speed limit has been duly established upon any way, in accordance with the provisions of said section, operation of a motor vehicle at a rate of speed in excess of such limit shall be prima facie evidence that such speed is greater than is reasonable and proper; but, notwithstanding such establishment of a speed limit, every person operating a motor vehicle shall decrease the speed of the same when a special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic, or by reason of weather or highway conditions. Any person in violation of this section, while operating a motor vehicle through the parameters of a marked construction zone or construction area, at a speed which exceeds the posted limit, or at a speed that is greater than is reasonable and proper, shall be subject to a fine of 2 times the amount currently in effect for the violation issued. Except on a limited access highway, no person shall operate a school bus at a rate of speed exceeding forty miles per hour, while actually engaged in carrying school children.

      and adds in Section 17A "Speed limit; Massachusetts Turnpike":

      Section 17A. Unless otherwise prohibited by federal law, the maximum speed for motor vehicles traveling on interstate highway route 90, the Massachusetts Turnpike, between the New York state border and the Westfield interchange, and from the Ludlow interchange to the Auburn interchange, interstate highway route 91 from the Vermont border to Northampton, Exit 21, and interstate 95 from the Newbury interchange 56 to the Danvers interchange 50, shall be sixty-five miles per hour.

      (section 17B talks about drag racing, but we won't deal with the issues of racing while dressed in clothing generally considered more appropriate for the opposite sex here), with Section 18 "Special regulations, speed and use of vehicles" talking mainly about Bahston.

      So, yeah, you have to drive at "safe and proper" speeds, but if you drive more than 1/4 or 1/8 mile (depending on where you're driving) at speeds above the posted speed (hmm, 1/4 mile, see previous comment about putting on women's clothing and hanging around in bars^W^W^W^Wracing) that's prima facie evidence of driving at an unreasonable or improper speed.

    5. Re:Happens to the best of us by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      Actually, what the General Laws of Massachusetts, Title XIV "Public Ways and Works", Chaper 90 "Motor Vehicles And Aircraft", Section 17 "Speed limits" says

      s/says/say/, sorry about that.

    6. Re:Happens to the best of us by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip!

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  16. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately that is the way of most politicians these days. The need to constantly raise compaign funds has made most of them little more than paid whores. Most citizens are left with voting for "their" paid whore and against the other guy's.

  17. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Compholio · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm huge Open Source, linux, anti-Microsoft (in the "I-wish-they-would-cut-out-the-monopolistic-abuse- crap" sense), but not at the cost of ethics.

    Then I suggest you read both articles carefully, the boston globe one doesn't even list any violations that make sense in reality-land. For example:

    Even though a galaxy of computer companies are listed as sponsors of many of the conferences, Quinn did not list any of them on his authorization forms or the business relationships any of them have with the Commonwealth.

    If you've ever been to a tech conference you know that the list of sponsors is immense, it would not make sense to list a single company on that list because it is the conference itself (not its sponsors) who decide to pay for your visit when you're a guest. The globe article even points out earlier in the story that the guy's legal advisor didn't know exactly what he needed to do with regards to listing who paid for the trip - and later in the story it notes that when his expenses were paid by a single company he did list the name of the company.

  18. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    looking at other news sorces, he filed for all of these, but may not have been "pre-approved" and some people [pro microsoft] think he should have put all the sponsors of the events down.. not just the committee paying him... it's a tempest in a teapot. There's no wrongdoing here, just squibbling about whether he filled out the paperwork right or not. All of these happened AFTER the decision was made to switch to ODF too.

    This was a political thing.. some reporter thinks they're smearing somebody... they waited for a long weekend to even report it when he can't respond... this is editorial abuse, heads should be rolling... and not his.

  19. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Otter · · Score: 1
    You know what? It does look bad, but it looks bad for Quinn and his possible ethical lapses.

    It's not obvious to me that this is a big deal. But the panicky "Another desperate attempt...!" tone of the article certainly makes it sound like a big deal!

    I was also unimpressed by :

    Pamela Jones of groklaw pointed out that representatives for the disabled were demonstrating an unseemly helplessness in raising their complaint. Because several open-source tools support OpenDocument, anyone who wants accessibility added can pay someone to do the job rather than complaining about it.

    Uhh, I don't think "Yuo have teh source code so fix it yuorself!" is going to fly in the face of an ADA lawsuit...

  20. Let's keep this in perspective . . . by Idou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We are talking about lazy documentation on what probably will amount to a couple of thousand dollars by someone who probably makes well over 100k/year. Would you honestly risk a high paying job, one you have invested a great deal of time and effort in, over a couple free trips to CONFERENCES?

    If this were real fraud, he would have crossed every t and dotted every i to avoid attention. No, this looks like a case of a really busy, dedicated individual who was a bit careless with some mundane, tedious paperwork.
    There are probably millions of government employees who never have this problem because all they do is paperwork and never risk anything based on principles of what is best for the public.

    It would be much more interesting to trace the paper-trail for how this article came to existence. . .

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  21. Block editors? by Mecdemort · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is there a function in /. to block articles submitted by certain editors? *cough* scuttlemonkey *cough*. I don't think I can take another microsoft advert in my life, let alone two in a row, but if I see another today I'm going to shoot myself.

    1. Re:Block editors? by saskboy · · Score: 1

      "I don't think I can take another microsoft advert in my life, let alone two in a row, but if I see another today I'm going to shoot myself."

      Ever think that's Microsoft's plan? Kill off the Linux users through bad journalism induced suicide?

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    2. Re:Block editors? by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1
      Is there a function in /. to block articles submitted by certain editors?
      As a matter of fact, there is! Customize Slashdot's Display.

      Scroll down to the section labelled "Customize Stories on the Homepage," uncheck the checkbox next to the editors you don't want to hear from, and then submit the form using the "Save" button.
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  22. Peter Quinn at FISL6.0 by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2

    I met Peter Quinn at FISl6.0. He certainly did not impress me as any kind a politician, much less a corrupt politician. He seemed like a pretty regular guy.
    -russ

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    1. Re:Peter Quinn at FISL6.0 by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Just playing devils advocate here.

      Corrupt politicians goal is to look like a normal guy. You can't be running rabid like Jack Thompson and expect people to trust you and vote for you.

      As Pink Floyd put it: "You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to, so when they turn their back on you, you get a chance to put the knife in."

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  23. Re:When you thought Slashdot couldn't sink any low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "How'd this one fly over your head?!"

    It bounced off my Roots touque.

  24. Remember Radwanski? by dan+of+the+north · · Score: 2, Insightful

    George Radwanski resigned as Privacy Commissioner of Canada over dubious expense claims. Unfortunately, an investigation did back up the charges. I say unfortunately because Radwanski was an effective champion of our privacy rights.

    All of this is to say that Peter Quinn may be a good person doing good things but, there is a line that may have been crossed... as PJ points out in her article: It is too bad that 3 time Pulitzer winner Stephen Kurkjian didn't wait until he had the full story before publishing his article.

  25. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Reverberant · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I hope it's mostly a case of not dotting the i's, not crossing the t's,

    Given what I know about working for Mass, I strongly suspect that's the case.

    <begin anecdote>

    Back in my last job, I did some consulting for the MBTA. There was no problem with traveling within the state on project business. However, traveling out of the state on project business was a big deal, requiring several levels of approval. At one point we needed to fly to Colorado to conduct some testing - it would have cost several $million to test locally, and several $thousand to test in CO. I think it took something like 2 months for the approval to come through. Since the testing wasn't too time-critical, we just waited for the T to give us approval.

    <end anecdote>

    Given my experience working for the state, and my experience going to conferences, I don't find it hard to believe that Mr. Quinn may have been running against conference registration deadlines, hotel room deadlines, and airfare deadlines - I suspect that he followed proper procedures when he could, but if there was a time crunch (maybe it took too long for a gov't bean counter to approve the first of 12 forms), he may have just asked his boss (and council as TFA noted) for verbal approval.

    Frankly, as a Mass taxpayer, I'm happy that state workers are going to conferences. Of course if it was a golfing junket, it would be a different matter. But (IMNSHO) technical people need to go to conferences to expose themselves to news ideas, to meet contacts, and, yes, to schmooze with vendors.

  26. Go read GROKLAW! by baomike · · Score: 1

    The details are there.

  27. From TF O'Reilly A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "Pamela Jones of groklaw pointed out that representatives for the disabled were demonstrating an unseemly helplessness in raising their complaint. Because several open-source tools support OpenDocument, anyone who wants accessibility added can pay someone to do the job rather than complaining about it."

    So the representatives for the disabled should just "pay someone" to add the kind of accessibility features Microsoft has taken years to develop? Or the government should just "pay someone". Was the time an effort needed to "pay someone" to add accessibility added to the cost of moving to OpenDocument? Accessibility is NOT some lightweight feature you can just hack in. This is a either ridiculous strawman or the author has no idea what he's talking about.

    1. Re:From TF O'Reilly A by Red+Alastor · · Score: 2, Informative

      What are you talking about ? Accessibility comes with third party add-ons. No Microsoft code.

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    2. Re:From TF O'Reilly A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "to add the kind of accessibility features Microsoft has taken years to develop?"

      Excuse me sir, you assumptions are showing.

      Microsoft did not develop the products (such as JAWS) that add accessibility features to MS Office.

      If anything, Microsoft hindered development of such products.

  28. Re:Who the heck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bill? Is that you?

  29. They are going to destroy him by acidmonth · · Score: 1

    No matter what he may have done (or not done), the scent of blood is in the water.

  30. Taking a page from the Rove playbook by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't just attack the message, smear the messenger.

    We complain about not having good candidates to vote for, but what sane person is going to run for office in this sleazy poliical climate?

    Yes, Mass. was proposing an open document format. That would make him a good choice as a keynote speaker at OSS conferences. And they break this on a weekend? This stinks like yesterday's diapers.

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  31. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by max+born · · Score: 1

    If you've ever been to a tech conference you know that the list of sponsors is immense, it would not make sense to list a single company on that list ...

    I think this is more about who paid for the travel.

    On most of the trips, Quinn said, his travel and other expenses were paid for by the sponsors of the conferences ...

    This guy is supposed to list the companies that financed his travel. He apparently didn't. He fscked up and gave Microsoft amunition. Quinn unecessarily caused the general public to question the motivations behind the opendoc initiative. And all over some simple paperwork.

    Politicians -- too bad you can't reboot 'em.

  32. Public Opinion? by ml10422 · · Score: 1

    The general public of Massachusetts has an opinion about OpenDocument?

    1. Re:Public Opinion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It varies from community to community. In elightened places like Saugus, Massachusetts, it's very much pro open format. There are also backwaters in Massachusetts, though. I'd say the majority is for open formats... Massachusetts is a pretty tech-savvy state on the whole.

  33. a political liability for Gov. Mitt Romney by miked98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This story is a caricature of a purposefully leaked, politically motivated hatchet job that -- to the glee of the "unnamed sources" who served it up -- got past the Thanksgiving rag tag staff and onto Page One.

    It's unclear what this very public investigation about is even about. Misuse of taxpayer dollars? Quinn paid *his own way* to attend two of these technical conferences and was an invited expenses-paid speaker for others. Cozy relationships with corporate sponsors? The article notes that his expenses-paid conferences were sponsored by a "galaxy of computer companies" -- e.g. the free market. Not filling out the proper paperwork? Since when is improper paperwork Page One material? (Maybe Quinn never got the memo about those TPS reports).

    So what is Peter J. Quinn guilty of? Being a political liability for Governor and Presidential Hopeful Mitt Romney. Having one of your employees piss off the bosses of the world's richest software company is no way to kick off your 2008 campaign fundraising drive.

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  34. Obligatory Gandhi quote by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Assumming the "they laugh at you" is the FUD campaigns, I could deduce we're currently experiencing the "then they fight you" stage.

  35. The Globe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Boston Globe is well known for being a horrible newspaper in town, possibly only beat out for sensationalist garbage by the Boston Herald.

    This will die out in a week as long as there was no significant ethical breach, no one of significance pays any attention to this newspaper and knows not to trust any information from it unless it's been at least a week after they first reported on the subject (they have the tendancy to discover "facts", or at least imply them, from the most amazing sources).

    1. Re:The Globe by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I'm very confused by this though. The globe is known for being a horrible, LEFTIST newspaper. They should be chomping at the bit to get interviews with RMS about this.

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    2. Re:The Globe by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      The globe is known for being a horrible, LEFTIST newspaper.

      Perhaps you need to change your definition of "leftist" to fit reality.

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  36. Re:who let the dogs out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    What!? This isn't offtopic, the original poster just got the phrase wrong, he is refering to Molly Ivin's book "Who let the Dogs in: Incredible Political Animals I have Known." It's a masterpiece that discusses matters such as Bill Gates's lobbying and the effect it has had on governments around the world, among many other things.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400062853/103-37 90523-8815052?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance

  37. sigh.... by Reverberant · · Score: 1

    council = counsel

  38. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    little more than paid whores

    I think you mean over-paid whores. The standard kind still gets paid, as a matter of definition. :)

  39. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by DrJimbo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    max born said:
    This guy is supposed to list the companies that financed his travel. He apparently didn't. He fscked up and gave Microsoft amunition. Quinn unecessarily caused the general public to question the motivations behind the opendoc initiative. And all over some simple paperwork.
    Oh for cryin' out loud. Are you serious?

    Nobody lists all the fsckin' companies that sponsor a conference when they are being paid by the conference. If I got funded by a tv station, I would list the tv station but not all of its sponsors (advertisers). What you say makes no sense and is not how the real world operates.

    The guy didn't fsck up at all. The Boston Globe was trying to raise muck where there wasn't any muck to be found. They published this crap and now they are being ridiculed.

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  40. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny
    At one point we needed to fly to Colorado to conduct some testing - it would have cost several $million to test locally, and several $thousand to test in CO.

    Wow... with those kind of discounts available, maybe Massachusetts should have built their huge highway tunnel in Colorado, too.

  41. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by max+born · · Score: 1

    Nobody lists all the fsckin' companies that sponsor a conference when they are being paid by the conference.

    Look. I'm on your side too. But rules are rules. If the MA state law says you must declare XYZ then you must. That was my point only.

  42. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by aaronl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the state law says you have to list who paid for the trip, and you list the conference, then where is the problem? If you go to E3 as a speaker, EA did not pay for your trip, the E3 conference did. If you are an Olympic athelete, the Olympic committeee pays for your trip, not Coke.

    When you ask for reimbursement, you document why and where you went, the costs, mileage (if applicable), and the applicable code. Often the agency will reimburse you, and then the event will reimburse the agency.

    I really doubt that this is anything but The Globe making stuff up on this one.

  43. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by DrJimbo · · Score: 1
    Look. I'm on your side too. But rules are rules. If the MA state law says you must declare XYZ then you must. That was my point only.

    I agree with you that in order to be lawful, the law must be followed. I disagree with your implication (or perhaps the unstated implication of the Globe article that you latched on to) that the law says you have to list all of the corporate sponsors of a group you get travel money from.

    I worked in the state of Massachusetts and was paid from federal grants. We had tons of paperwork. We had to fill out time cards for days we hadn't worked yet. There is no way that any of us was required to list all of the corporate sponsors if we were paid travel money to speak at a conference. The idea is absurd. It is possible that the state of Massachusetts has even more absurd paperwork laws than the federal government but I highly doubt it.

    If you still don't believe me, just go back and re-read the Globe article. Clearly they are trying to raise some muck. Clearly the guy did not list the corporate sponsors even after consulting a lawyer. Don't you think if it really was a legal requirement then the article would have said so?

    It is nonsense. You were duped.

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  44. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    Its all bullshit, and I hope Quinn sues his bosses. He's in an excellent position to win.

  45. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by bhiestand · · Score: 1

    Quinn for president!

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  46. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    He's got my vote, and I'm not even a yank.

    ... bit if they're determined to screw honest people over this badly, send him to Canada. We like the cut of his jib.

  47. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I'm glad to fear folks saying this is what /. is for. For a second there I thought it was just another news filter to compete with the Digg. I'm glad to hear news about free software from the place where the developers, users, and fans used to hang out.

  48. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by bhiestand · · Score: 1
    ... bit if they're determined to screw honest people over this badly, send him to Canada. We like the cut of his jib.

    No. Thanks for the offer, though. We'll keep him here. We are sending Michael Moore over soon, though. If we can ever get Steven Seagal and Keanu Reeves out of their fantasy worlds we're sending them over, too. Then we'll finally have something to make fun of you canucks for :).
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  49. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

    I think the issues is that Quinn didn't say "The coference paid" he said "Paid for by the sponsors of the conference". He's saying the sponsors individually paid, not the conferece.

  50. both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The OSS revolution is a practical one, not an ideological one

    I see no reason why it can not be both.

  51. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by pallmall1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If the MA state law says you must declare XYZ then you must.
    Big IF there. Even the Globe doesn't know if Quinn needed to or in fact DID declare anything necessary, because they don't even know what, if anything, it would be necessary for him to disclose. They just ran a Thanksgiving smear on the guy without even knowing what the rules are that they wrote on page one he's being "inquired" about. Kind of like that "XYZ" bullshit you mentioned.

    The Boston Globe method was to 1) ask what the disclosure rules are because they didn't know, and then 2) print an article on the front page that says the Governor's administration has launched an inquiry into possible ethics violation by Quinn. Note that the big pile of #2 the Globe put on page one came before they knew what the rules are, or without giving Quinn a chance to respond because they couldn't reach him on THANKSGIVING DAY.

    If you can't smell this smear job, you should see a doctor and let him count the holes in your head. It's not about what "side" anyone is on, it's about ethics, and the Boston Globe has demonstrated that they have none.
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  52. you better think before thowing mud by someone1234 · · Score: 1

    He went to several conferences as speaker (ie. he wasn't about to be swayed, he wanted to 'sway' other's opinion). The conference organizers paid his trip. Would you be more satisfied if the Commonwealth paid his trip??? Guess he told other listeners (who went to those conferences) how and why they picked ODF. Why is it good for a government institution, etc. I wonder who told Boston Globe that this guy should be dragged across the dirt.

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  53. Much ado about nothing, but its something by davmoo · · Score: 1

    I agree that the charges involved are obviously fud that is meant to draw attention away from the real issues. Microsoft and company are using the oldest trick in the book...if you can't dazzle 'em with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit.

    However...

    Mr. Quinn, in going up against Microsoft, is challenging the proverbial 900 pound gorilla here. That gorilla is going to use every technique available to him to discredit Mr. Quinn. Mudslinging like this should be expected, and therefore he should have made absolutely certain that all of his i's were dotted and his t's were crossed. If for no other reason than to make sure he's not giving the gorilla fud fodder like this.

    If you're gonna play the game (politics), you damned sure better know the rules.

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  54. put another way by xmodem_and_rommon · · Score: 1

    Can anyone else say "double standard"?

    This is despicable behavoir on Microsoft's part.

  55. MS-backed Worst EU Lobbying Campaign by Christian+Engstrom · · Score: 4, Informative
    [Microsoft would] rather feed smear stories to the press and buy off politicians than give their customers what they want
    When they don't have any actual arguments to fight with, what else can they do?

    Another Microsoft backed lobbying effort was the fake grass roots movement "Campaign for Creativity", which tried to convince the European Parliament to introduce software patents in Europe, by pretending to represent "artists, designers, writers, photographers, software developers, musicians, engineers, inventors". In reality it was just a site put up by the lobbying firm Campbell Gentry, and financed by companies like Microsoft and SAP.

    This (failed) lobbying effort has how been nominated as one of the contenders for the "Worst EU Lobbying Award" 2005.

    The "winner" will be selected by an open Internet poll. If you want to donate a mouse-click to the fight against software patents and the companies that try to introduce them by corrupting the political system, you can go to the site and vote online.

    The award is organized by a number of watchdog groups that are working for cleaner and more transparent methods in politics, so although the award as such sounds a bit humorous, the underlying issues are quite serious.

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  56. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by CaptainZapp · · Score: 1
    Well let's play devils advocate and believe that Mr. Quinn was on the take since he was hired as the MA CIO in 2002.

    But then why the hell would he (and I assume that the MA CIO has a rather loud voice on such decisions) push forward the very sensible Open Doc initiative? I mean that must have pissed his "sponsors" mightily off.

    That a guy in such a position is in demand at such conferences makes sense and it's not unheard off that the organizers pay the tab.

    I agree tha state officials should be srupelously clean in their dealings with entities presenting a potential conflict of interests. But I fail to believe in a huge conspiracy by Microsoft to buy MA legislation.

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  57. Link to C4C by Christian+Engstrom · · Score: 1
    I don't want to boost their Google ranking by making the link clickable, but if you want to check out the Campaign for Creativity site for yourself, it is at www.campaignforcreativity.org

    Note that the "www" is reqired. If you just type in campaignforcreativity.org you instead get to a page that promotes the "Advocacy Online" service that the lobbying firm provides.

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    1. Re:Link to C4C by neillewis · · Score: 1

      Ackkk, inept astroturfing is so embarassing, thanks for the heads up.

  58. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, you could then go to the conference, ask who the sponsors were and then you'd have your list.

    If you *are* paid by a company, you don't list the accountant, authorising agent, managers involved in the decision, banks involved in the transfer and *their* staff so involved. No, you'd list "Acme Ind. Corp.".

    If Quinn said "the conference paid", you could smear him by saying "but you must be lying because the conference doesn't get money to pay for attendees - they have to get their money from the sponsors!".

    Boned either way.

  59. Groklaw's view by golodh · · Score: 3, Informative
  60. Microsoft Hatchet Job Using The Globe by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing more.

    The Globe is owned by the New York Times, which is Sultzberger being used by Bush and cronies to sell the Iraq War. Now we have the Globe being used by Microsoft to attack the Open Document Format decision in Massachusetts.

    Once a sellout, always a sellout.

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  61. We Simply Sought His Advice by Uggy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm the CTO of Altamente, mentioned in the article. We invited Peter to the conference in Puerto Rico simply because we felt that the government of Puerto Rico needed to hear what Massachusetts was doing with regard to IT. How simple is that? We don't do any business in/with Mass.

    It was a great opportunity for one government to share with another some of the challanges and difficulties of budgeting information technology and one possible solution that Peter's office had proposed. Since we're an open source company, it makes perfect sense that we like what he was doing with OpenDocument.

    It's just a stupid witch hunt. His trip to Brazil, Puerto Rico and most of the far flung conferences were paid by people who wanted to hear what he had to say, what he was doing, and how they could do the same. As many people wanted to listen to Dr. Edgar David Villanueva from Peru, lots of people want to hear what Peter Quinn has to say as well. Same deal.

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  62. In the age of Karl Rove, bidniz is full contact by smchris · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The guy's just lucky his wife isn't a CIA agent.

    or he isn't an Enron snitch:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/baxterautopsy.ht ml

    or he isn't actively investigating the powers that be:

    http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/New s/Frontpage/110805/news1.html

    Instead, he just got Swift Boated.

    1. Re:In the age of Karl Rove, bidniz is full contact by mtec · · Score: 0, Troll

      Three words:

      Tin
      uh...
      Foil
      and um...
      Hat!

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  63. And so Microsoft said; by mtec · · Score: 1

    "When Quinn who spends-the-dough gets here, all the lawyers gonna jump for joy!"

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  64. Sounds Smelly to Me by segedunum · · Score: 1

    It simply looks as though they're trying to find a way of getting him fired. I would get as much written down and signed in future as I could. I am willing to bet that some officials at Masachussetts are having quite a bit of stuff paid for them on the never never.

  65. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by budgenator · · Score: 1

    FTA Romney administration officials are investigating whether Quinn violated travel procedures by not obtaining written authorization for six of the trips... State rules also require employees to provide a detailed estimate of the cost of travel sponsored by private firms and other outside groups... Quinn said he sought the legal advice of Linda M. Hamel, the lawyer for the Informational Technology Division, on the propriety of his appearing at a conference in which his travel and room were being paid for by the sponsors of the conference.

    yup it sounds like it, probably more of an ethics thing rather than a legal thing, most likely some executive order that's ignored half the time, by the 1/3 of the people that even know it exists. Seems to me that the state requiring written authorization for travel, might have some serious constitutional freedom of assembly issues if push came to shove.

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  66. Re:When you thought Slashdot couldn't sink any low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You people are idiots. Anyone with a two digit IQ got this guy's joke you overzealous mod stooges. Fucking tools.

  67. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 1

    Heh,

    Imagine the fun if he was invited by the BBC to speak about open source and governments...

    Listing all 56 million inhabitants of the United Kingdom has got to suck!

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  68. Letter to the Boston Globe Editor by landonf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I sent the following to the Boston Globe Editor:

    Microsoft's campaign against industry standards has sunk to new lows. Stephen Kurkjian's Nov 26th muck-raking article on Massachusetts CIO Peter Quinn paints Quinn's personal dedication and industry outreach as potential scandal and corruption. Is a $543 trip to a conference on digital governance by the Commonwealth's CIO really worthy of a front-page article?

    Kurkjian writes "a galaxy of computer companies are listed as sponsors of many of the conferences", but then notes that Quinn "did not list any of them on his authorization forms or the business relationships any of them have with the Commonwealth." It was the conference organizers, not sponsors, who paid for Quinn's trips. Should Quinn also be required to list every conference's advertisers and their business relationships with the Commonwealth? That would certainly be a galaxy of paperwork!

    Quinn is doing his job. Moving to the OpenDocument format is the equivalent of trying to convert the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to standardized printer paper. He should be praised for his dedication to the Commonwealth in the face of an 800lb industry gorilla, not dragged through the mud for attending industry conferences.

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  69. Microsoft contributions by endoplasmicMessenger · · Score: 1

    How much does the Globe make each month from Microsoft contributions? How many times more than is beings discussed here?

    And much has Microsoft contributed to the good Senator's coffers? Why isn't that in the news?

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  70. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    You just want to get back at us for sending you Celine Dion ... guess we owe you for that one :-)

  71. Re:WTF by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

    With the exception of flamebait from Anonymous Cowards, /. has far better conversation and information that Digg. Digg is what would happen to /. if Fark invaded.

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  72. while this is true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...before the election of Bush, at neocon not-close-to-"free" republic web forum, the NY Times was daily ridiculed as being a left wing pinko bedwetting commie newspaper. There were many calls to not use the paper as a source. Funny how things change, isn't it?

    What neither the well meaning but unfortunately sort of naieve grassroots Rs (signified by @ freeps) or Ds (DU et al) seem to be able to actually grok despite all the evidence shoved at them, is that contemporary political society is feudalistic in nature, and those arbitrary political melodramatic "parties" are a cooperating venture meant by the aristocratic part of this feudalism to serve as a way of both marginalizing the middle class and keeping the general population in virtual serfdom. By keeping the various politically active by nature persons constantly at each others throats, they effectively keep most of them from every looking beyond a set arbitrary point upstream in the analysis of political events and realities. In truth, it is way more a sick cult behavior than anything rational or coherent, just the reality of it is too hard for most of them to grasp, so they don't. Normal human nature, people stop living in reality when reality becomes too painful. The feudalistic controllers keep them dumbed down, and deliberately so, and effectively so. People who can rise to the intellectual challenge and see beyond the "good cop/bad cop" routines are commonly banned from those two activist sites once they start questioning the status quo of whichever faction they are beholden to. and to be fair I am only using those two sites in reference because they are commonly known and large, it applies in a number of other areas as well, and I am only speaking in general terms without the use of the word "all".

      I did not invent the term "useful idiots", but it applies here. THAT is the true nature of current Main Stream Media manipulation,to keep the populations at the useful idiot or below stage of awareness. And also why (non aligned and independent) blogging and podcasting and the anonymous net in general is such a threat to the continuing power of the controller classes, who are, by and large, transnational in outlook, megalomaniacal by nature and ruthless by behavior.

    There are very...very few true independent main stream journalists, and even fewer editors. They simply are immediately out of a job if they rock the boat. They get told what to do and how to do it. It is that simple. If you see currently large politician A who previously was "supported" wildly, and then he "seems to slip", you are looking at the result of decisions made high above the normal names associated with political movements. The people who control the cash control "things", they are never elected and not much ever discussed in print, and the decisions and orders flow downhill from there. Named public politicians and parties are a few steps away from where true power politics and high stakes economics are played.

  73. Re:Hopefully, this is misunderstanding, but may no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is nonsense. You were duped.

    Um, well this is Slashdot, aka dupes-r-us...

  74. Massachusetts Travel Regulations are ridiculous by wcrosby · · Score: 2, Informative

    The issue here is not one of Mr. Quinn being on the take. I can assure you he is not. In fact, Mr. Quinn believes very seriously in the effort that he has undertaken, and will fight it to the end.

    The real issue here is the antiquated regulations regarding travel in the Commonwealth. I know, because I worked there 20 years ago, and the regulations were antiquated then, and have never been amended to take into account today's business environment.

    Basically, the regs state that all employees that travel out of state have to have the permission of their supervisor, and once they have that, they have to pay for the travel themselves, unless they are on a speaking engagement. Even then, they cannot accept payment for the travel if there is a potential that the sponsor would be doing business with the state. These rules were primarily created to make it difficult to ask for approval. And if you did pay for the travel yourself, you were sure to be notified by the Legislature the next year that this obviously discretionary spending would be removed from your budget -- good luck ever getting the State to pay for any travel.

    Mr. Quinn had signed approval of at least 5 trips. The signoff was from the former Secretary of Administration and Finance, who recently left government. It was this Secretary that was leading the fight against Microsoft, and Mr. Quinn was fulfilling this Secretary's wishes. Why he didn't get approval for all 12 trips -- who knows? But what does it really matter? All of the trips were for speaking engagements at conferences where there was no clear single sponsor. That being the case, why shouldn't Mr. Quinn allow the sponsor to pay for the travel? It saves money for the taxpayers, and provides exposure to what other entities are doing to implement Open Source.

    It's obvious to me that this was a hack job by lobbyists -- something that Microsoft made clear during an open hearing with Mr. Quinn regarding the State's open source philosophy that they were very willing to undertake.