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Vista Could Ship Earlier Than Expected

UltimaGuy writes "With speculation of a ship date for Windows Vista ranging in the second part of 2006, word has surprisingly surfaced that it can be expected much earlier. BusinessWeek has received a copy of the internal blog of Chris Jones, who is a top Windows executive. The blog states that the code for Windows Vista will be completed by August 31, giving Microsoft the opportunity to place Vista on PCs for the 2006 Christmas season."

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  1. Yea sure..... by rimcrazy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just in time for Santa, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy..............

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    1. Re:Yea sure..... by oztiks · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep, and let's face it, an Operating System is not the first gift you'd think of giving, nor would there be much Vista-based software available. Can't imagine why they think getting it out in time for Christmas is in any way important!

      You know after reading your post i had a sudden flash of this evil grinch like santa wearing thick glasses, having a bowl haircut (real 70's like) and the windows emblem printed on the side of his bag of goodies. Going from house to house replacing peoples linux distribution pressies with copies of vista.

      Now imagine being that poor let down 10yr old child screaming in dismay ... MUM!!! I TOLD YOU I DIDNT WANT THIS PROPEITRY SOFTWARE TRASH!!!

      And yes i know the hole in this plot, if your giving copies of linux to people for xmas you must be a real cheapskate.

    2. Re:Yea sure..... by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't this just a well thought out (well, at least in the minds of marketing/management) ruse to deceive us as to the real release date? They move the release date forward, so that they can still meet their expectations of releasing it behind schedule, and at the end of the day still release it when it was going to be released in th first place?

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    3. Re:Yea sure..... by Headcase88 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Can't imagine why they think getting it out in time for Christmas is in any way important!"

      Kids ask Mom for a computer for Christmas, Mom buys one, packaged with Vista.

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    4. Re:Yea sure..... by LehiNephi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      an Operating System is not the first gift you'd think of giving

      Exactly. I mean, who is going to be standing in line at 2 am on Black Friday for version 1.0 of an OS that is almost certainly going to be buggy and full of holes? You might as well do the same to get your oil changed. The additional functionality just isn't there. This isn't Windows 95--it's just a pretty face slapped on top of the same functionality.

      Besides the purely-utilitarian nature of an OS, the current set of commercially-available computers from HP, Dell, IBM, etc are not yet ready for the high requirements of Vista, and I don't think they will be by next August.

      In other words, WHO CARES?

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  2. in other news... by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    a top Realm employee has revealed that the first copy of DukeNukem Forever will be posted with Vista...

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  3. always a good idea by dresgarcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SO they take the product that has had tons of problems and MOVE UP the release date? Wow. . . I hope its perfect. No that a few months will make a difference at this point. . .

    1. Re:always a good idea by oscartheduck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In what sense is releasing a product due in the latter part of 2006 in time for Christmas 2006 (maybe having it ready in October, which is STILL the latter part of 2006) actually moving up the release date? It seems to me like they're just shipping it on time. What am I missing?

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  4. Brilliant... by Chicane-UK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So.. this super hyped version of the next generation of Windows has gradually had all of its most attractive features stripped out of it just for the sake of getting it out of the door quickly. So this means that its going to be yet another interim OS, and the NEXT version of Windows is going to be the one that you really want.

    We're just going to be left with a shadow of the OS we were all hoping for - and purely so that Microsoft can say that they have an OS that looks just as pretty as MacOS X. Other than that, there have been absolutely no stand out or interesting additions that I can see.

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    1. Re:Brilliant... by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A simple search reveals that WinFS was stripped out, while Avalon and Indigo were "decoupled". So, it seems the only things Longhorn has going for it (beyond the new eyecandy GUI) is the "Fundamentals" APIs and WinFX, to plug it into. Truthfully, before WinFS was even removed, it was downgraded from an all-encompassing database filesystem to a wrapper for NTFS that developers can choose to ignore.

      The real reason for the comment, though, is because Vista appears to be a dud, quite like XP. Admittedly, XP was a great improvement for people who were using Win 9x, but there's very little in XP that is an improvement over Windows 2000. It's more a fact that Windows didn't market Windows 2000 for the consumer, while they did market Windows 98/ME, that made XP the first of the Windows NT to sell so well to consumers. Now, assumedly Vista will sell as well, simply because OEMs will be expected to carry the next version of Windows when it's released. It'd take severe issues (a la Windows ME) for customers to actually demand to use XP instead.

      So, technologically Vista seems mostly a dud. It's a shame, too, since with Microsoft still quite the monopoly in the desktop PC world, them actually making great strides seems like the only short-term way in which the desktop PC will advance. At the same time, I (and probably many others) never thought that WinFS would be finished on time, let alone included in Vista. Something like WinFS has been promised at least since the time of Windows 2000 (I've heard reports of sooner, but I don't recall personally reading such promises any earlier; a link to such a report appreciated). The real loss is that with all the software engineers at Microsoft who could truly design such a working system, Microsoft doesn't seem really interested in doing the right thing for the sake of good design. It's the same reason I have doubts about Microsoft's commitment to security. It's a long-term process, after all.

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    2. Re:Brilliant... by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The significant point here is that Microsoft is now beginning to position Vista as vaporware. MS has a long tradition of announcing that they will start selling product Real Soon Now to mess up the heads of IT strategists who are thinking about moving their company away from MS products. This works because it activates all the PHBs and any effort to talk rationally about moving the company to Linux (or OS/2 back in the day, or D.R. DOS back at the dawn of time) is going to be met with a lot of thought-avoidance resistance since it becomes so easy to say "I don't want you to waste any time on looking at a possible Linux migration until we see what MS has to offer".

      The vaporware stage of Microsoft product development is concerned with projecting mirages of paradise into the marketplace, in an effort to cause potential buyers to wait until MS actually has product to put out there. It is the kind of FUD that MS marketdroids are particularly good at generating. It is the kind of thing that PHBs soak up like sponges, because it gives them such great sounding excuses for avoiding actually having to think about IT problems or making management decisions that might put a ding in their careers.

  5. Am I missing something? by Silvrmane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    August 31, 2006. Christmas Season 2006. All of these things put it in the second half of 2006. How is this "much sooner" than the second half of 2006?

    1. Re:Am I missing something? by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes you are missing something. When the release was sheduled at the second half of 2006, nobody actually ever expected it to come out before 2010. 2006 is earlier than expected!

    2. Re:Am I missing something? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you measure time in processor cycles, it's a LOOOOOOOOONG time. 4 months x 30 days x 24 hrs x 60 minutes x 60 seconds x 3 GigaHertz = 3,110,4000 BILLION clock cycles.

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  6. Oh, please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, that's some accomplishment, beating some artifical ship date by a few months... when it's years late and has been gutted of its most-touted features so it could see daylight in this decade.

    NOT!

  7. doesn't make sense by TheWart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I missing something obvious, or is "Christmas 2006" actually later than "Second half 2006."

    At the very least they seem to be too close together to say it is shipping "much" earlier.

    1. Re:doesn't make sense by Bluey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unless you celebrate Christmas very late, it's actually in the second half of 2006. The summary is a complete butchering of what the article actually says, which is something along the lines of:

      Microsoft's mum about when Vista will be available, other than "second half of 2006".
      Analysts decide this most likely means it will be released on "Christmas 2006".
      A MS Executive blog saying "code complete will be August 31, 2006" is leaked to a news organization.
      Analysts decide this most likely means it will be released on "October 2006" which is earlier than they previously guessed.

      No real news here other than analysts making as many different guesses as possible to hedge their bets.

  8. Better hope it's not being released too early by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or else you might have to have some string on hand for -

    Oh, wait. Wrong Microsoft product. My bad.

  9. They've done it before by DenmaFat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back when MS was shipping a new OS version every 18 months or so, I think they delivered a product earlier than originally planned at least once. It might have been Windows 98.

    Getting Vista installed on the fall OEM systems is probably their number 1 goal (quality and features be damned). They can always start taking out the really buggy stuff during the summer.

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  10. Interesting coincidence.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    All of the previous comments were submitted by members who joined Slashdot, apparently, within a few minutes or days at most of each other.

    Check out the members' numbers: if this were poker, it would be a straight-flush.
    1.(#14127838)
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    And all were posted within two minutes or so of each other. What are the odds?

    And one or all of him, apparently, has moderator points, and is modding himself up.

    Perhaps there is a way to prevent Slashdot giving multiple accounts to jerkoffs.

    1. Re:Interesting coincidence.... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps there is a way to prevent Slashdot giving multiple accounts to jerkoffs.

      Perhaps there's a way to educate ACs about which number is the User ID and which is the post number.

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    2. Re:Interesting coincidence.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps there is a way to prevent Slashdot giving multiple accounts to jerkoffs.

      Perhaps there's a way to educate ACs about which number is the User ID and which is the post number.

      Perhaps there is a way to educate logged in users about what sarcasm is, and how to use it/recognize it to prevent them from looking like fools.

    3. Re:Interesting coincidence.... by flyinwhitey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How funny, the AC gets caught trolling, and tries to act like it was a joke.

      I think the more pressing need is to prevent jerkoffs from posting AC. Or just from being stupid generally.

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  11. Re:Morons by DingerX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh give me a break. Code complete. this thing will sing through QA. I'm telling you, Windows Vista will be the most perfect work of man since the Septuagint translation, and those guys had the advantage of only a 72-person dev team!

    There will be no bugs or security problems. And if there are any, well Microsoft can always postpone Christmas. They've done it before, haven't they?

  12. Re:This Article Could Ship Earlier Than Expected by oztiks · · Score: 3, Funny

    obviously the articals' release date was later then expected, maybe someone wanted to ensure the quality of the information presented... which i cant say is true for the subject at hand ...

  13. Are you involved with this conspiracy? by InsaneLampshade · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mr Anonymous Coward, your "member number" also appears to be convienently close to the previous comments, are you involved with this conspiracy?

  14. New Products on Christmas are a MUST. by _eb0la_reston_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *Every* consumer-products company MUST have something NEW ready for Christmas (aka. peak sales period).

    If M$ *cannot* deliver Vista by September 1st, hardware vendors won't be able to ship their PCs with Vista on Christmas. In this case, I bet they will postpone their shipping date to late-January / mid-February 2006.

    As soon Vista is released, PCs with XP pre-installed will be sold at discount. M$ can't "punish" their customers (OEM, not end users) on their peak sales period:

    $peak_sales = $christmas ;
        big_profit ($christmas) unless ( ( $peak_sales == $discount ) || failed_business_model ) ;

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    1. Re:New Products on Christmas are a MUST. by medgooroo · · Score: 5, Funny
      If M$ *cannot* deliver Vista by September 1st, hardware vendors won't be able to ship their PCs with Vista on Christmas. In this case, I bet they will postpone their shipping date to late-January / mid-February 2006.
      I was sure you were going to say "I bet they will postpone christmas to late-January / mid-February 2006.
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  15. MS invented a Time Machine?? by One+Blue+Ninja · · Score: 3, Informative

    Vista was "expected" about, what - 4 years ago? "Earlier than expected", my ass!

    1. Re:MS invented a Time Machine?? by One+Blue+Ninja · · Score: 3, Funny
      No, by that time, everyone expected Longhorn.
      Call me crazy, but I sure couldn't go to any of MY clients and say, "You know that project I was supposed to have done for you 4 years ago? Well, I've finally settled on a name for it. So it's not late anymore!"

      I can only hope that, as a /. reader, you're aware that Vista *is* Longhorn :-)

  16. Isn't Vista... by Flashpot · · Score: 2, Funny

    the working name of Service Pack 3? :-)

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  17. Which Version ? by axonis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Which of the 7 different versions will ship first ?

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  18. Missing icon by Ruphuz · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's strange: I have refreshed the page several times, but the foot icon does not appear...

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  19. Thank god! by __aailob1448 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was wondering if everybody else was blind, stupid or crazy. I see that I was not alone.

  20. Windows Vista for christmas eh? by beef3k · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, that's worse than getting a pair of socks.

  21. Oh goody by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can add the date to my calendar of events to be ignored. I suspect I will continue using XP until they stop supporting it. Vista does not impress me at first blush.

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  22. well, maybe by zogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The vendors will OEM it, and if this past Black Friday shopping frenzy is an indication, people will be lining up to get it, *because* of the hardware deals that will be wrapped around it.
    With that said, all new major releases of windows since at least 95 have had brisk sales by disk at release time, that lasts a month or so (whatever) then slows down. I would imagine this will be similar.

    It also depends on pricing, MS can afford to drop prices and still make a lot of profit. As the software costs approach or exceed the hardware costs, they will be forced to do this I think. people might be in the unusual situation of being in the same store staring at 200$ complete systems with OS installed, then staring at a set of disks for 200$ with the same OS. This will cause a few "hmmm, WTF??" moments.

  23. What features are left to remove? by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whenever Microsoft advances a delivery date, they usually remove a couple of promised features.

    I thought they'd already cancelled most of the features preannounced for Vista.

    What features are left to remove?

    "Oh, we've found that our customers are asking for the same look and feel of Windows XP so we've decided to keep the graphic design and UI the same..."

  24. MS terminology... by andy55 · · Score: 4, Informative


    I worked with MS for a while, and their project managers use the milestone phrase "code complete" to mean that it's just testing and QA from there (meaning, of course, many many fixes and revs will be introduced into the code after this). So, assuming Chris Jones' comment about being Vista code being "complete" by Aug 2006 was referring to being "code complete," it doesn't say much about when Vista will ship--it just says when non-QA driven changes will no longer be able to get into the codebase past this date.

  25. So.... by tbannist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Code complete August 2006?
    Shipped October 2006?
    Quality assurance testing begins early 2007?
    Microsoft ends support early 2014?
    Last bug patched early 2014?

    Yup, par for the course for Windows 2005.

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