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Cyber Monday Doesn't Exist

xsspd2004 writes "Despite a huge amount of hype, the Monday after Thanksgiving is historically only the 12th-biggest online shopping day of the year. Do a Google search on "Cyber Monday," and you get as many as 779,000 results. Not a bad haul for a term that was created just a week and a half ago."

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  1. Uh by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it was created only a week ago, I somehow doubt that google has spidered and indexed ~800k sites/pages containing such phrase, in that time period.

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    1. Re:Uh by myspys · · Score: 4, Informative

      looking at google now, it's up to 1.8m

      look at the results though, they are from cnn, yahoo, cnet etc etc
      all big sites, and as you can probably guess, google crawls these sites a few times every day

      so google crawling and indexing 1.8m pages in a week isn't impossible at all

    2. Re:Uh by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, we have the primary news sites, then we have the secondary news sites, then we have news blogs (like this one), then every fricking blog and message board, then all the spam-blogs...I googled it just a second ago and got 2,060,000 hits. So if it can jump from 800k at the time of submission, to 2,060,000 hopefully not too much later, I think you may be underestimating how many people can talk abotu nothing, and how fast google can make that meaningless blather available to the world.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go google this post.

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    3. Re:Uh by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you're doubting the freshness of the term, try searching in Google Groups instead. A usenet search can often give you a better picture of how a term or phrase evolved through culture.

      "Black Friday" - 11,000 results dating back to at least 1993.

      "Cyber Monday" - 20 results, all but one were indeed posted within the past week. The other one is in Russian, and doesn't actually appear to contain the term.

      So, if there was such a thing as "Cyber Monday" prior to this Thanksgiving, nobody seemed to know about it, and they sure as heck weren't discussing it.

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    4. Re:Uh by WebCrapper · · Score: 4, Informative

      It all depends on how you search...

      Without quotation marks I get 5.2M results. With marks, I get 706k and the top 100 results (ok, so I scanned the top 100) are all news sites printing or reprinting stories.

      I have to agree here. It appears that someone coined the term and something happened. I'd love to see the historical data off some of the larger E-tailers to see if the term increased sales. If so, I'm predicting that retailers will start naming different days in the year to try to get more sales.

      BTW, in case no one knew this Black Friday is historically a day when something bad happens.

      Oh - and it looks like "Cyber Monday" is now on Wikipedia as well. Oddly enough, its pending deletion...

      The term Cyber Monday is a fairly recent term which refers to the Monday immediately following Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving. Similar to Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year when retail stores often offer great deals, "Cyber Monday" has in recent years been a busy day for online retailers, and one in which online stores offer similarly low prices.
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      Origin of term

      The term "Cyber Monday" is a neologism invented by the National Retail Federation, and was never in common use within the ecommerce community. According to shop.org, Scott Silverman, the Executive Director of the company, coined the term during a meeting in August or September 2005 to describe an emerging trend first noticed on the Monday after Thanksgiving, 2004.

    5. Re:Uh by akadruid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now at 6,670,000 on Google... where can I find a nice bit of Javascript to show a pretty counter, alongside my 'terror level guage', my 'no. of war dead in Iraq/$billion defense budget graph'.

      Mind you, http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&wo rd1=cyber+monday&word2=orange+wednesday">Orange Wednesday is still beating Cyber Monday on GoogleFight

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  2. Are you trying to say... by lbrandy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you trying to say that our media is creating and over-hyping something that doesn't necessarily exist to make for better headlines? Noooooo... not our media....

    1. Re:Are you trying to say... by MCraigW · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Walmart's credit card screen wasn't encrypted so I canceled out. Called customer service and not only did I get a real, well spoken, knowledgeable person in under a minute, but they pulled up exactly what I had tried to buy, took my card information, and got my unit shipped

      Yeah, that knowledgable person just entered your card information in the same form that you wouldn't use...

    2. Re:Are you trying to say... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even more ironic was that with the online fraud protection provided by credit cards, he would have zero liability for any misuse of his card due to the unencrypted credit card screen. (Assuming that you believe that Walmart.com doesn't use SSL)

      If that call center agent used that same page or stole the number, the online fraud stuff doesn't kick in and you're liable for the first $50.

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    3. Re:Are you trying to say... by ortholattice · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Probably more likely is that the form target is https, just not the page the form comes from. This would be fine, and is smart design

      How am I supposed to know that the form target is https? Am I supposed to analyze the page source code before I click "buy" with my credit card number? Your browser might warn you, and give you a chance to opt-out, if a form submission leaves https mode, but the other way around you can only know, practically speaking, after it's too late.

      Of course I could set the browser to warn about all non-encrypted submissions (as some do until by default you turn it off). But that would be extremely annoying for ordinary non-senstive information submission, like posting to a forum, so most people turn it off, a quite reasonable thing to do once you're aware of that.

      Sorry, this would not get my vote as a "smart design". My conservative assumption is that submission from a non-encrypted page will be non-encrypted unless I have good evidence otherwise.

  3. greeting card strategem by know1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this will be just like when they tried to add grandma and grandadas days to mothers and fathers days, just another excuse to try and drum up more profit. seems a bit pointless in this case though, they are both wrong and it's a growth business anyway. perhaps marketing were exceptionally bored. or maybe it was the work experience guy

  4. It's twoo, it's twoo! by glomph · · Score: 4, Funny

    On CyberMonday, my whole family stands in line for hours to buy stuff on the Internet! It gets to fisticuffs and hair-pulling when it comes to grabbing the mouse and clicking on the 'Complete Purchase' button!

  5. Google index by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, most of the hits on the google search are from msg board posts that actually say "Wanna cyber, Monday?"

    1. Re:Google index by FreakyLefty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Eep. Only 2 results for "wanna cyber monday" on Google. Obviously Monday isn't the most popular time... still, curious, I checked the other days and Monday comes out on top. Seems people are just too impatient to plan these things. Pah, kids these days.

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    2. Re:Google index by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who's Monday?

  6. An alternative name... by ysegalov · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article:
    They quickly discarded suggestions such as Black Monday (too much like Black Friday), Blue Monday (not very cheery), and Green Monday (too environmentalist), and settled on Cyber Monday.

    I would call it - 'November's fools day'.

  7. umm Cyber? Monday by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    DOH! Does this mean I missed the biggest day of the year to get online and talk dirty to women who are actually men pretending to be women pretending to like men who are pretending not to like little boys?

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  8. O rly? by parasonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I somehow doubt that google has spidered and indexed ~800k sites/pages containing such phrase, in that time period.

    Somebody has a case of the cyber-Mondays!

  9. Uh guys, It's was Deer Slaying Day.... by FirstNoel · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first Monday after Thanksgiving has always been and will always be Deer Slaying Day. Hell, we have off for work and school, just so we can go slay some of those fierce creatures.

    Sheesh...get it right.

    It's kind of like Snake Whacking day...only with deer.

    Watch out those antlers can be nasty!

    Sean D.

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    1. Re:Uh guys, It's was Deer Slaying Day.... by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
      Watch out those antlers can be nasty!

      My sister was once bitten by a moose.
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    2. Re:Uh guys, It's was Deer Slaying Day.... by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm okay with you being against hunting, but in the absence of natural predators, it is a good idea to control the deer population. If you drive down US 2 in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you can see the problem without getting out of your car; there is no green on cedar below about 5 or 6 feet. The deer eat any and all of it they can reach. No new cedar is growing. For me, that's a problem. It isn't just cedar either. A few years back, the Michigan DNR was managing for license revenue rather than population control. The deer were eating god-damn everything. Bovine TB and CWD scares changed that policy in a jiffy, and things are getting better, but they still hammer the cedar pretty good.

      Not to mention the road hazards created by too large a herd.

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  10. No. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Google search they performed has nothing to do with indicating the quantity of sales. They don't even claim that it does! They use the search more to show how quickly the new term "Cyber Monday" has spread.

    If you had bothered to read the article, you would have noticed that the sales data is based on non-Google research.

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  11. Thanks slashdot, I just did a search for... by Wisgary · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Cyber monday" and came up with this:
    naked girl naked underage and nude boy nude boy teen pic nude boy... and tgp preteens very female nudist cyber monday real underground erotic ... lolitas gay art european porn clitoris story little lilamber sex polish ...
    Relevant!
  12. Love Day by farfisa69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Marge: "Happy Love Day everyone!"
    Lisa: "Come on Mom! The stores just invented this holiday because they wanted to make money!"
    Homer: "Lisa don't you ruin another love day!"

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  13. For the same reason Black Friday *does* exist! by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Black Friday exists because physical shopping at a Brick-n'-Mortar has a number of very real constraints on when it can occur - You need the store open and staffed; You need to have free time (ie, not at work) to go; You need a reason to go; You need money to spend there.

    Most people meeting the last condition have the Friday after Turkey-day off from work, thus meeting the second condition. Most retail sales staff do not, thus meeting the first condition. And our annual Materialism-and-oh-yeah-that-dead-Jew festival provides the final condition, a reason to go shopping in the first place.


    Shopping on-line changes all that. The store always has its virtual doors open. They always have what you want, even if you don't know you want something. You can even find things on the cheap, if you look around carefully. It eliminates three of the four constraints necessary for a "holiday" flood of shoppers to occur on a particular day. And for the only one remaining, we still have at least another 20 or so "shopping" days up to which Amazon will guarantee delivery by December 25th. So no rush.


    The entire premise of a mad rush to shop on one particular day comes from the same minds that can't understand why we "abandon" 90% of shopping carts at online stores, after they force us to add items to a cart to see its price.

    Nothing to see here, move along - Captain Obvious has struck again.

    1. Re:For the same reason Black Friday *does* exist! by kria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In addition, of course, most stores have huge sales on that Friday. It would be interesting to see the order that all this occured in, but I suspect that the sales just made a fairly popular shopping day into a very popular one.

      Of course, even Black Friday is only the Fifth Largest Shopping Day of the year. Apparently weekends leading up to Christmas are bigger, and I suspect that peaks in online shopping will occur based on when things can be shipped to get to people in time for Christmas. This year, with Christmas on a Sunday, I suspect that Christmas Eve will be an astounding shopping day.

    2. Re:For the same reason Black Friday *does* exist! by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, Christian or not, it would be nice if you showed a little more respect

      For the most part, I do respect people's religious beliefs. I will, to my dying death, argue in support of your right to believe in anything that makes you feel better about your relation to Life, The Universe, and Everything. So long as it doesn't directly affect me; for example if your beliefs tell you to blow me up, you have lost any claim on my "respect".

      I won't, however, humor you about your particular choice of imaginary friend. I don't humor parents who lie to their kids about Santa and the Eostre Bunny, either (I don't go out of my way to disillusion them, but asking me a direct question such as "so what time do you think Santa visited last night" for the amusement of the wee ones will not have a good outcome). And I'll damn sure put my foot down when it comes to indoctrinating kids with FSM-worthy nonsense in direct contradiction with demonstrable facts.


      Personally, I do believe in a creator deity, but I don't have the impudence (or ignorance) to claim I can ever "know" anything about that deity... Beyond the mere fact that I exist, or more accurately, that existance itself exists.

      Now, if you happen to consider yourself a Christian, then you should feel offended by what I wrote. But not because of how I wrote it, rather, because I described the sad reality of your biggest religious festival. The material world has taken what should count as a joyous celebration of the birth of the son of your bhakti's god (time shifted to match the winter solstice, no doubt out of "respect" for those religions that held that as a holy day), and turned it into a day of worship of the jolly fat consumer of Coca Cola.

      "Ford be praised!"

    3. Re:For the same reason Black Friday *does* exist! by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sure you already know that the reason it's called "Black Friday" is because it's the time of year when retailers finally move out of the red and into the profitable black column on their balance sheets

      Although this doesn't apply to privately held stores, at least any corporate retail chains have to report their earnings quarterly. And any non-R&D company that reported three out of four quarters in the red would find itself trading as penny stocks within just a few cycles of that.


      Not to say that such a claim counts as entirely untrue, though - I suspect it counts as "true" in the same way that you can truthfully claim that Americans have to work almost until June to reach "Tax Freedom Day", the day we stop working just to pay our taxes, and start our year "in the black" so to speak.


      So, I suppose that in some retail sectors, the fairly thin profit margins mean that, if you add up all their costs for the coming year and start counting income against them from January 1st onward, they might experience an analogous "Overhead Freedom Day" sometime in late November. But looking at the numbers like that would leave everything after that point, including the very lucrative holiday season, as pure profit... So not quite such a bleak outlook as staying in the red for 11 months.



      Or to look at from a more common-sense approach - Why even open the doors from February to October if you'll only run a loss for the first 11 months? They'd make more, in the long run, to go on vacation for nine or ten months out of the year.

    4. Re:For the same reason Black Friday *does* exist! by onepoint · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>I don't humor parents who lie to their kids about Santa and the Eostre Bunny, either (I don't go out of my way to disillusion them, but asking me a direct question such as "so what time do you think Santa visited last night" for the amusement of the wee ones will not have a good outcome).

      You don't have kids yet do you. I hope whomever you have ruined x-mass won't return the favor. I guess you have never seen a kid's joy on the morning of x-mass or organizing the Easter egg hunt for 30 kids in the neighborhood ( does not matter the faith, the fun is in the search ).

      we still make cookies for Santa and leave a carrot out for Rudolph. I hope to do it for ever.

      Onepoint

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  14. Oh, just wait... by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A few more years of this hype and it may well exist. Just wait.

    The interesting question is, "Why the hype?" Or, more specifically, "Why do some people want it to exist?"

    A related question is, "How can the entire media be manipulated to hype something that doesn't really exist?" Sounds *cough*WMD*cough* familiar, doesn't it?

  15. Lemmings to the Internet by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course Cyber Monday doesn't exist, by way of the fact that you can shop at most e-tailers at any time, any day, and with advances in shipping, you can shop and get things delivered to you right up to Christmas day in most cases.

    Of course some marketing person thought this up -- they thought up New Coke didn't they?

    From Business Week: That's not to suggest that the Cyber Monday boost is a total fabrication. The fact is, people do most of their online shopping at work -- 58% of them, according to comScore Networks. They often get started in earnest on Mondays, when they return from a frustrating weekend at the mall to their broadband connections at work.

    The fact is, many of us are smart enough not to buy into the hype of Black Friday, let alone Cyber Monday. I can shop online any time, from work, from home. It's easier to do from work because there's little chance of someone discovering what you're buying. Mind you, you have to be careful and actually work occasionally...

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  16. 779,000 results? more like 300. by Sam+H · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doing a simple Google search I get "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 283 already displayed." although more than 1,000,000 pages were indexed. (YMMV, all Google frontends don't yield the same results, especially with newly coined terms). This simply means that hundreds of useless blogs or news sites use the phrase on hundreds of their pages, and that those pages are accessible through hundreds of different URLs. Typical Google pollution.

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  17. Like the "nine months after" myths... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds a lot like the "baby train" and "birthrate peak nine months after the 1965 Northeast US blackout" myths. Only less entertaining.

    Someone said, "Gee, I betcha there's a lot of online shopping when people get back to work and their high-speed internet connections" and the plausible and amusing speculation became a legend.

    I actually was skeptical about this, because most e-commerce sites are quite usable even at dialup speeds, and, conversely, DSL and cable are far from rare.

    It's not like the days when people had 28Kbps modems at home and T1s at work.

    It would be very interesting if someone actually managed to track the "Cyber Monday" meme to its source. It might be possible, since it originated recently and probably spread mostly via the Internet.

  18. Wag the dog by Mr.+Stinky · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, of all people my Mom told me about this on Sunday. I am an online retailer, and historically the Monday after Thanksgiving has not been the best, however yesterday was our largest day ever on record, beating the prior largest day by about 40% more! I belive because of the hype produced by the media, it subconsciously persuaded people who would have bought on Tuesday or Wednesday to buy on Monday. I hate it when my Mom is right!!! -=Dave

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  19. Re:Talliwhacker Tuesday! by jrumney · · Score: 5, Funny
    Alas, I cannot participate, as I suffer from severe impotency.

    Please contact me urgently about a large number of emails intended for you that have ended up in my inbox.

  20. Cyber monday is overhyped by inhalentbroom · · Score: 2, Informative

    I found this out first hand. I work at UPS in one of the sorting hubs (we get a lot of stuff from amazon and other online retailers). We were gearing up for Monday (when a lot of stuff was suppose to ship and get to us) and we didn't get too busy. Busier than normal but no where near the hype.

  21. My niece called on the phone. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Funny

    She promptly informed me that the day was 'Cyber Day' and that everything on the Internet was 50% off.

    That'd be my dream. I told her that the only thing that was half off was women's clothing at myspace.com. She then asked me if I've ever shopped there before.

  22. Gas lines by porkThreeWays · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought I saw you in line. Remember me? We met in the gas lines after the hurricane. I met your brother once in line for Styx tickets and your Uncle in another line for space mountain. Man I love waiting in lines....

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  23. "Only" the twelfth? by tgeller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The story implies that being the twelfth-biggest shopping day is some pathetic underachievement. But consider: That means it's in the 96th percentile! I'd say that's significant, especially if (as the article implies) shopping then falls off for the next week, i.e. until 5 December.

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  24. Hype by fdiskne1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just one more thing that demonstrates the reason I ignore the mainstream media. I refuse to believe any hype. As soon as I hear about anything "new and wonderful" I look into what makes it new and what makes it wonderful. When I first heard the term "cyber Monday", I thought to myself, "That's a bunch of bull. It's all just media hype." I was proved correct. I'm tired of all the media hype. Like NBC's Today show having the woman in a canoe to report on all the flooding, only to have a couple of guys walk through the few-inch deep water in front of her. Like the guy reporting on a hurricane a couple of years ago, struggling to stay in front of the camera despite the ferocious winds, only to have someone walk behind him, looking at him funny like "Why are you acting like the wind is blowing that hard?" Don't believe what the media tells you. All they want is to have more viewers for their commercials so they can make more money. What a bunch of crap.

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