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Gamestop Reports Loss, 360 Shortages

Gamasutra reports that gaming retail powerhouse Gamestop has reported a slow third quarter, largely based on few big named titles during that period of time. The article also mentioned their frustrations with the 360's limited production so far. From the article: "There is no question that both the core gamer and gift giver are very enthusiastic about this great product. In fact, our attach ratio of games and accessories to date has never been higher for any release in GameStop's history. Our only concern is that the total hardware released to date in the U.S., and to GameStop, are far less than we had anticipated. While we expect to be supplied throughout the holiday season, the exact quantities to be shipped are not yet clear."

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  1. Correct me if I'm wrong... by EddieBurkett · · Score: 2, Informative
    In fact, our attach ratio of games and accessories to date has never been higher for any release in GameStop's history.
    Didn't Microsoft mandate that retailers could only sell the 360 for pre-order as part of package deals with a certain number of accessories and games required to be purchased along side the console? Of course the attach ratio would be so high then...
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    1. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by yammosk · · Score: 1

      There was also a rumor that GS was prioritizing pre-orders based on how many extras were pre-ordered in addition to the console. Not sure if that was confirmed.

    2. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Ars-Gonzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, Microsoft claims that the vendors are solely responsible for the bundle madness.

      The attach ratio has never been higher because in order to buy a Xbox 360 from Gamestop or EB, you had to spend a minimum of $300 on accessories and games.

    3. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by rednalb · · Score: 1

      I preordered the console only from the local EBGames in June and was able to pick it up on launch day. I didn't preorder anything else with it.

    4. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reports that Microsoft demanded bundling for pre-orders were just the usual Slashdot anti-Microsoft FUD. EBGames was solely responsible for any package deal requirement on pre-orders they sold.

      But you do have a point, it does really skew their statistics.

    5. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Microsoft mandate that retailers could only sell the 360 for pre-order as part of package deals with a certain number of accessories and games required to be purchased along side the console? Of course the attach ratio would be so high then...

      I don't know if they did or not but I do know that the shortage caused problems in itself; I know several retailers who 'sold out' pre-orders on the core system and ultimate bundle (and even their super-duper bundles) but, somehow, had a $1200 bundle that had Dozens of XBox 360s for sale. If the only ways a person (who has more money than brains) is going to get their XBox 360 today is to spend $1200 at futurshop (with 3 extra controllers, 6 games, 2 memory cards, etc.) or spend $1200 on ebay on a core system, they are going to buy it from Futureshop.

      It only takes a 1 in 20 people to go crazy to manipulate the attachment ratio for a system launch; with how short the supplies were Microsoft forced the hand of a lot of people.

    6. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Xugumad · · Score: 1

      Certainly, here in the UK, there are numerous stores selling XBox 360s by themselves (Game, Gameplay.co.uk, Amazon.co.uk, Play.com, Simply Games, etc.)...

    7. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Delphiki · · Score: 1
      The attach ratio has never been higher because in order to buy a Xbox 360 from Gamestop or EB, you had to spend a minimum of $300 on accessories and games.

      There might be some locations that require this but my friend and I both preordered from different EB games stores and weren't forced to buy any accessories. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't just make shit up.

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    8. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by lion2 · · Score: 1

      It's wrong. I went to Gamestop several months ago and asked if I was required to purchase games and accessories if I preordered and they told me no. Only the online preorders required the ridiculous bundles, but you could go into any store and only preorder the basic packages.

    9. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by th3space · · Score: 1

      Look, I was on Mars and I was able to just pick one up off of the goddamn floor. The floor is actually not red, but more of a blue...the atmospheric ionic particulation changes how you see it. I know a guy with 15 toes, too. His name is Sue Bob. I have it on good authority that Jesus is seeing to it that the Phantom takes over the game market. Hurrrr!

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  2. Roffles by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love how businesses always call a drop in revenue a "loss." Like they are rightfully entitled to ever-increasing profits and anything to the contrary is someone's fault.

    1. Re:Roffles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, profits of negative $2.5 million sure sounds like a loss to me, genius. Perhaps you're commenting on the drop in sales -- no, things haven't gotten so bad there that they have negative sales.

    2. Re:Roffles by Epi-man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love how businesses always call a drop in revenue a "loss." Like they are rightfully entitled to ever-increasing profits and anything to the contrary is someone's fault.

      Do me a favor and remember that the next time you hear all the talk about those vicious spending cuts being made to social programs and look at how much more money they are getting than the year before.

      As someone else pointed out, it isn't the drop in revenue earning the title, it is the fact that revenue - costs 0.

    3. Re:Roffles by the_humeister · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not quite sure how you can conclude that from the article. They reported an increase in revenue but a net loss of $2.5 million.

    4. Re:Roffles by Morinaga · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You are confusing profits and revenue. The profitering mantra of corporations trying to squeeze out ever last drop of profit is a fallacy. Stockholders of public corporations are in general obsessed with "growth" which is generally focused on revenue increases. If a company is increasing their revenue then they are becoming more valuble as a commodity that investors might wish to own for increasing stock values. Profits can be in the red within reason or investor expectations with no negitive consequence.

      The days of your grandparents income stocks are nearly extinct like corporate pensions. The corporations aren't the root of evil, it's the manner in which their "owners" demand growth to increase their shareholder wealth that create problems. Ironically those shareholders are people like myself and millions of others with 401ks. Problem is I own one tenth of one percent in X corporation in my well diversified portfolio and the power of proxy vote, board of director pressure etc... is in the hands of large portfolio managers. These investors like myself aren't interested in examining the profit philosophy of the 5000 companies I have a stake in for a variety of reasons. The least of which is the fact you have no power in such a minority stake and the biggest of which is I'm more concerned about making my mortgage payment, saving for my kid's education and selfishly the results of this weekends Bronco game. Call me self centered if you will but do take a quick look in the mirror before you throw those stones.

  3. Roffles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are roffles what they serve at the IHOPs in Japan?

  4. Gamestop is just unhappy because.... by Strell · · Score: 1

    They haven't had a chance to make massive profits reselling used systems yet. I'm sure they are pissed about the eBay debacle also, what with some high percentage of the initial systems being resold.

    I'm sure they'll shit bricks if the PS3 DRM "no more used games" rumor comes true. The weight of the world might shift even.

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  5. Attach rate by PhotoBoy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "There is no question that both the core gamer and gift giver are very enthusiastic about this great product. In fact, our attach ratio of games and accessories to date has never been higher for any release in GameStop's history."

    Could it perhaps be that the reason the attach rate is so high is because the stores forced people to pre-order the 360 with lots of games they didn't want along with some useless peripherals thrown in with it? Then when they buy the machine they have to buy the games and accessories they want thereby ensuring Gamestop et al get to flog as much crap as possible.

    Similar I would think to Sony UK's current tactic of forcing all shops selling PSPs to bundle games that no-one wants with the system, otherwise they don't get supplied with stock.

  6. No... by CaseM · · Score: 1

    Packaging and said "bundles" are up to the specific retailers (which doesn't dispute the fact that bundles were prevalent in pre-sales).

  7. Whatever happened by dar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to the EB buyout of Gamestop?

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    1. Re:Whatever happened by Mortisoul · · Score: 1

      it happened they are currently in the process of changing the names over, should be pretty close to done by the end of the year I think.

    2. Re:Whatever happened by coolestdickofall · · Score: 1

      I believe it was the otherway around. Gamestop bought EB.

    3. Re:Whatever happened by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      no EB bought Gamestop, most of the gamestop management hasd already been fired.

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    4. Re:Whatever happened by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 1
      No. GameStop bought EB Games. If you'd like, there are plenty of articles on Slashdot and who knows how many other sites; this was just the first to poop up.

      And I've heard nothing about GameStop managers being fired, but I do know that they've axed EB employees in Philly, EB's former headquarters.

      For crying out loud...would a 30 second Google search to check your facts kill you people?

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  8. 360 Profit by SquisherX · · Score: 0

    Well, if in fact Microsoft is losing money with each Xbox360 sold, then it would be in their best interests to keep these stores with as few of them (but always some in or coming in) so that the retailers will have a high demand for the xbox, and as such they can put together more elaborate bundles, because they know that someone is waiting in line to buy. Im sure with some of these bundles, the loss from the xbox is recovered and perhaps some profit is even made.

  9. Uh intentional? by Mortisoul · · Score: 1

    Didn't Micor$oft also cause the shortage so that the hype would be insane and boost sales over the long term? And of course the sales of the attachments are very high, I was told by my local gamestop that the units were NOT being given out on order of pre-order placement but instead based on how many accessories a consumer bought, so of course those sales are going to be way because people wanted to do their best to get one of the consols. And as for ebay me thinks 1200 for a console that doesn't even reliably work is just a little steep.

    1. Re:Uh intentional? by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 1

      It is, however, quite a unique bookend, paperweight, or CD/DVD case, as well as quite a conversation piece.

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  10. Does this really matters? by sTeF · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    i may be too old for this, or i could simply disable the games section - not an option, i am still interested in games, thus i am also not too old. but i would propose to put 360 related stories in a new category, ads. which i can disable. :)

    i am sorry, but this is slashdot, heeeeeellllllooooo. this should be anti-ms, not adding to their marketing buzz.

    i have to ask, does anyone still care?

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    1. Re:Does this really matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No zealot, no one cares.

    2. Re:Does this really matters? by Generic+Guy · · Score: 1
      i would propose to put 360 related stories in a new category

      Oh calm down, already. Since the Thanksgiving release, Xbox360 buzz is already falling off pretty sharply. Don't worry, late next year you can reconfigure your filters for all the Playstation 3 articles choking Slashdot and the rest of the press.

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  11. Is it at all suprsing? by ameoba · · Score: 1

    Should it be any suprise that they're having a slow 3rd quarter? The last 6 months have been nothing but hype about the 360, PS3 and Revolution telling us that the next-gen games are going to make the current games worthless. Coupled with the fact that, this far into the product cycle, most everyone who would buy the last generation of hardware has already purchased it, is it any suprise that sales of current titles are slacking?

    If I was a retailer, I'd be pretty pissed at MSFT for devaluing my current merchandise and failing to supply me with a proper stock of gear that I can actually sell.

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  12. I don't think so. by drcarson · · Score: 1

    One thing that I've heard is that XBox is trying to play the supply and demand game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that they are doing a pretty good job of it.