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Security Flaws Allow Wiretaps to be Evaded

An anonymous reader writes "The New York Times is reporting that a team of researchers led by Matt Blaze has discovered that technology used for decades by law enforcement agents to wiretap telephones has a security flaw that allows the person being wiretapped to stop the recorder remotely. It is also possible to falsify the numbers dialed. The flaws are detailed in a paper being published by the IEEE. Someone who thinks he's being wiretapped can apparently just send a low tone down the line that turns off the recorder. The link has a demo."

191 comments

  1. Is this is a big deal? by matr0x_x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How serious is this though - I mean, if I knew my line was tapped instead of working on getting it untapped I'd simply work on getting a second line!

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    1. Re:Is this is a big deal? by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      True, however sending a low tone down the line sounds like it could become a standard part of making call that you don't want tapped. So even if you don't know if you're being tapped, you can prevent it anyway.

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    2. Re:Is this is a big deal? by ndansmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Likely the powers-that-be would know about your new line and tap it as well. It is better to let them think they are tapping you, when in reality you are circumventing the system.

    3. Re:Is this is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Surely if sending a low frequency tone becomes a "standard", law enforcement agencies will change their methods to so that wiretaps can't be blocked by a low tone? In fact, the aticle says that only 10% of 'dated' wiretap machines can be defeated in this manner anyway, so don't rush out to buy the next phone offering compl33t an0nym1ty from the fedz!

      Where's the big deal?

    4. Re:Is this is a big deal? by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Or you could just watch your mouth on the phone.

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    5. Re:Is this is a big deal? by mcc · · Score: 1

      the powers-that-be... It is better to let them think they are tapping you, when in reality you are circumventing the system.

      Better hope then that the powers-that-be don't read Slashdot

    6. Re:Is this is a big deal? by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you want the truth?

      You can't handle the truth!

      " Look, our disinformation campaign is working! People who have something to hide will send the recorder activation tone down the line before each call, thinking they're keeping us from listening in. Bwhaahahaha"

      The truth is that in the current environment, you can't trust anything. Use your PC to scramble the call. If its that sensitive, anything else is foolish. Or use a one-time pad to encode it.

      Think of it, if you were the "powers that be", isn't this how you'd do it?

    7. Re:Is this is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that criminals just used prepaid cellphones (which they bought for cash) to do all their business these days

    8. Re:Is this is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We read everything.

  2. quickest way to Cuba by RY · · Score: 5, Funny

    Try it and find out...

    1. Re:quickest way to Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that selling the space between the bottom and the top of the large intestine?

    2. Re:quickest way to Cuba by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Isn't Guantanamo Base in Cuba? ... Oh wait ...

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    3. Re:quickest way to Cuba by patdabiker · · Score: 1

      I laughed at this comment initially. Then I though about it. Has it come to that?

    4. Re:quickest way to Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep yep, we know you can get sent to cuba for even looking at someone the wrong way. we get it.

      atleast you didnt use "Gitmo" to look like the ultimate jackass.

  3. In other news... by ThatGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other news, smart people can avoid being caught by doing stuff...

    I mean, any dolt can PGP or GnuPG encrypt a message or just hand deliver messages. Things like wiretaps are good for the duller knives in the drawer. We should still use them to "grab the low hanging fruit" and look elsewhere to capture the rest.

    If a person knows he's being wire tapped, he won't say anything incriminating anyway, and if the feds/cops don't get what they want over the phone, they'll just bug some offices instead.

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    1. Re:In other news... by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seriously, if I were planning a crime or terrorist act, you bet your ass I would encode all communication in some way -- whether it be encrypted emails or just a word code system over the phone that changes each time. This is similar to the Cold War days, when spies would leave innocent-looking messages in public places. Essentially, a non-computerized version of steganography.

      Where there is a will, there is a way. Where there is a stupid or lazy criminal, there is a prison sentence.

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    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Seriously, if I were planning a crime or terrorist act, you bet your ass I would encode all communication in some way -- whether it be encrypted emails or just a word code system over the phone that changes each time.

      To take your comment one step further....I would meet in a coffee shop or McDs and talk about "our plans" there. There's always a way around the law.....

    3. Re:In other news... by forkazoo · · Score: 0

      we give them trials now? good to know things are improving.

    4. Re:In other news... by ikkonoishi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Attn. Agent Snowman:The cows have jumped the moon. I repeat the cows have jumped the moon. It is too late to close the barn door.

    5. Re:In other news... by PlayfullyClever · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or just use a pre paid cell phone.

      The only groups these wiretaps hurt are the law-abiding citizens. The smart (read: dangerous) criminals have it all figured out-- Prepaid cell phones.

      Pre-paid cell phones are literally disposable, one-use toys to the bad guys. You don't even need a fake ID, just cash, and not all that much at that. How can they tap your phone when you use a different phone for each call? The best they could do is tap all the pre-paid phones and listen to every conversation out there -- good luck with that! (wanna bet the NSA is big into voice recognition?)

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    6. Re:In other news... by tomhudson · · Score: 0

      Well, sure, we now have trials. But that's why we have them so long. We have to get the right jury.

      We like juries that are partial to suspended sentences - you know, suspended from the nearest tree, suspended from the neck up, that sort of stuff.

      But its been hard lately, as even the KKK no longer sees it as their patriotic duty to volunteer people for these special jury duties. Too many of their members come back as damn liberals! Dissing "the system". Complaining about "human rights". Calling our glorious Commander-in-Chief "Mr Chimps, the fucktard"! We can't have that. He might be a fucktard, but he's OUR fucktard! That's why we work so hard to putting the US in jUStice. Because if we do it, it IS the right thing to do. Rmember that, citizen!

    7. Re:In other news... by s20451 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The corollary to your post (and the counter-argument to the grandparent) is that a person planning nefarious acts should send everything in plaintext.

      Sending encrypted e-mails, for example, when nobody else in the world is doing so, is like putting a huge sign on your front lawn saying, "INTRIGUING SECRETS ARE GOING ON IN HERE!".

      Remember that cryptography is only one link in the information security chain, and that everything has to get back to plaintext eventually. Once the feds are interested in your data, there is nothing stopping them from parking a truck across the street and harvesting your info using TEMPEST.

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    8. Re:In other news... by alienw · · Score: 1

      I don't even know if they need to get that high-tech. Generally, it's enough to know that suspicious person A sent a message to suspicious person B. The contents can be recovered by searching the place or just monitoring A & B's daily activities. Traffic analysis is a powerful technique.

    9. Re:In other news... by dorkygeek · · Score: 1

      But for how long will this be an option? Where I live, even pre-paid phones have to be registered, before they are activated!

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    10. Re:In other news... by Phil+Karn · · Score: 3, Informative

      You don't understand the problem. Extremely incriminating evidence can be obtained through traffic analysis, knowing who you talk to and when, without acquiring the actual content of your communications. That's what a "pen register" is -- traffic analysis of a telephone. Encrypting your calls or your emails won't help much if, for example, they can see you're talking to known terrorists.

    11. Re:In other news... by heypete · · Score: 1

      What prevents you from giving false information?

      "Ben Franklin, 1026 Lightning Kite Way, Somewhere, Pennsylvania"

      Assuming you pick a real city, a computer wouldn't know that as a fake address or not. Even your average phone-activation person probably wouldn't pick up on it.

    12. Re:In other news... by X · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, you might want to talk to a certain mafioso who used PGP to protect his communications, only to find out that the FBI didn't even need a court order to tap his keyboard. :-(

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    13. Re:In other news... by dorkygeek · · Score: 1
      What prevents you from giving false information?

      You have to show up in person and bring formal proof of your identity (like a passport or identification card).

      Well, that's Europe.

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    14. Re:In other news... by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep. It's not as though the exploit allows the cops to think nothing's wrong. Surely, the cops will be curious when their wiretaps go:

      Caller: Yo. It's me.
      >CARRIER LOST

      Furthermore, the FBI has insane bugging technologies. Forget wiretaps. If they really want to get you, they'll stick parabolic or laser mikes all around you. Or bug your car and office or simply follow you around and take pictures of all your friends who they then bug and wiretap. Or what they really do is catch an associate on a felony and extort^H^H^H^H^H^H convince them to turn state's witness.

      So while cool, this exploit probably does not help "bad" guys too much.

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    15. Re:In other news... by woolio · · Score: 3, Interesting
      wanna bet the NSA is big into voice recognition?

      At a recent IEEE conference, I noticed a large number of researchers' topics concerned voice recongition and voice synthesis.

      Although I'm not sure for who they were working or from where the funding came. (Plus, it was an international conference).
    16. Re:In other news... by erlenic · · Score: 1

      Some providers in the US do ask for ID, and I've heard T-Mobile's pre-pay service even requires a credit card. However, there are still pre-paid providers who do not require proof. My sister got one, and she doesn't have any ID.

    17. Re:In other news... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "undefined" period of time, rather than "unknown". Undefined as in "infinite".

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    18. Re:In other news... by baadger · · Score: 1

      Here in the UK you can get on all the major mobile networks without telling them who you are.

    19. Re:In other news... by dorkygeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the sake of free communication, I hope this stays like that in the UK then.

      On a sidenote, there were some interesting papers published at this years Cyber Safety conference. Especially interesting in our context: Prepaid Mobile Phones: the Anonymity Question by Gordon Gow.

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    20. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have been using an eToken not a passphrase.

    21. Re:In other news... by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 1
      Thank you for the new .sig!

      That should last for a few years, hopefully much less.

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    22. Re:In other news... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Generally, it's enough to know that suspicious person A sent a message to suspicious person B. The contents can be recovered by searching the place or just monitoring A & B's daily activities. Traffic analysis is a powerful technique.

      Perhaps an organization could use the AA*s to work around this ? Person A shares some files that have names that vaguely represents some movies or songs produced at some point in history. Person B infiltrates AA*s and sends the command to act by sending a Cease and Desist -letter.

      Heck, A doesn't even need to share anything; A doesn't even need a computer. B can send him a threat letter anyway, and no one will suspect anything because it happens all the time. In fact, for all you know, this could very well be the real reason why the AA*s keep on doing it... and everyone who buys their produts helps them finance it.

      Remember, when you download MP3s, you are downloading communism, but if you respect copyrights, you are supporting terrorism !

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    23. Re:In other news... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Encrypting your calls or your emails won't help much if, for example, they can see you're talking to known terrorists.

      So simply encrypt the address or phone number too, and no one will know who you're talking to. See, security is easy if you think logically :).

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    24. Re:In other news... by SgtPepperKSU · · Score: 1

      FTFS:

      It is also possible to falsify the numbers dialed.

    25. Re:In other news... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Generally it's enough to know that suspicious person A sent a message to suspicious person B."

      Well, there's ways to get around that. You can set up a chain of nym servers that have everything PGP encrypted and headers stripped as it bounces all over the world. VERY hard to trace...

      If you're really paranoid...you don't even have the emails come to you via email...last stop has each message, still encrypted, and posted to a USENET group...they would have a hard time finding who got the message from there and encrypted it...

      Nothing is fool proof here...but, VERY hard if not almost impossible to trace...especially trying to find out who is talking to whom.

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    26. Re:In other news... by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Thanks. Obviously some of the mods don't share your sense of humour. Iguess that's what happens when you insult the KKK by insinuating they're dumb enough to aid Bush :-)

      ./me gets asbestos/nomex suit back on, again!

    27. Re:In other news... by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 1
      Which, IMHO, is more a statement of opinion (some may argue fact) than an insult. It wouldn't surprise me if KKK members were insulted by it though. They may be stupid, but Mr. Chimp the fucktard is clearly more stupidifiedierated than they are. :)

      Mind if I borrow that suit?

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    28. Re:In other news... by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 1
      there is nothing stopping them from parking a truck across the street and harvesting your info using TEMPEST.

      Or just breaking into your house and copying the contents of your hard drive. MI5 used to do it in the 60's and 70's all the time to keep upto date with communist party goings on. Highly illegal of course and it wouldn't be admissable in court but once they know what (and when) your doing it would be easy to catch you in the act, so to speak. If 'they' want to know what your doing chances are they'll find out one way or another.

    29. Re:In other news... by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1

      Except of course they're not in jail because of this. The US isn't nearly so eeevil as some think. We're imperfect, of course.

    30. Re:In other news... by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      Usenet is an excellent way to communicate "bad" things. I could go to the library, use a public computer, and post to newsgroups. Just post some innocent messages to a specific group -- nobody would think anything of it, 95% of Usenet is offtopic, spam, etc. so it would fit right in. Someone else could check the newsgroup, and read the message, looking for specific words.

      For example, a code to "go ahead with the plan" might be as simple as the word "elephant." Then all I do when I want you to start your attack or your crime, is talk about my visit to the zoo. I could write an entire paragraph and only the word "elephant" is relevant, but completely innocent. Police would have no reason to be suspicious.

      Like I said before, a smart criminal will be paranoid. The police really are out to get him, and when faced with life in a federal pound me in the ass prison, there is no such thing as being too safe.

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    31. Re:In other news... by ProfFalcon · · Score: 1

      "Tap his keyboard." That's funny!

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    32. Re:In other news... by jtgd · · Score: 1

      Let's say Alice the terrorist wants to send a message to Bob the terrorist (or even a group). Alice encrypts the message and posts it through a mixmaster (to make it untraceable) to Usenet. It's freely available to everyone in the world but meaningless since it's encrypted. Bob happens to like downloading all posts to, say, alt.test, and decrypts it. Does this defeat your traffic analysis?

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    33. Re:In other news... by X · · Score: 1

      ...and this would have helped how?

      They didn't grab his passphrase, they grabbed *everything he typed* before it was encrypted.

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    34. Re:In other news... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      This isn't new. Back before the interweb, people would send codes by posting classifieds in the newspaper. I can't find any source material right now.. I think I either saw it on a documentary, or maybe at the Spy Museum in DC, or possibly both.

    35. Re:In other news... by Phil+Karn · · Score: 1
      It certainly can make traffic analysis harder, but it's also pretty obvious that it's extremely inefficient. This seems to be a property of every halfway effective method to defeat traffic analysis from the endpoints, so much so that they're really not very practical for routine or high volume use.

      And I still don't know that even something as elaborate as a mixmaster is really secure against a well designed statistical attack.

      Compared to the traffic analysis threat, confidentiality is practically a solved problem. End-to-end encryption costs almost nothing. But it's increasingly clear that confidentiality is almost irrelevant in the big scheme of things since so much can be learned about you and your life simply from who you talk to and when, and people are so easily found guilty by mere association. And thanks to a Supreme Court that has never understood the power of traffic analysis, there were no effective safeguards against government abuse even before the so-called Patriot Act.

    36. Re:In other news... by Phil+Karn · · Score: 1

      Even better, the guy you're trying to talk to won't know it, so he won't be able to blab to anyone else!

    37. Re:In other news... by jtgd · · Score: 1
      It certainly can make traffic analysis harder, but it's also pretty obvious that it's extremely inefficient.

      Efficient??? Compared to buying a cell phone and disposing of it after a few calls?

      they're really not very practical for routine or high volume use.

      I don't think that simple terrorist messages would be that high a volume. Efficiency was not the goal. This is not for p2p.

      Compared to the traffic analysis threat,...

      So the traffic analysis would show that you download every message from a benign newsgroup. So what? Which messages you decode and read they can't know.

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  4. Feature, not a bug... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That way when the party officials want to do something underhanded, they use the red 'bat phone' that nukes any cops that are trying to listen in on them. In this way, they can have it both ways. Watch the proles without being watched themselves.

    1. Re:Feature, not a bug... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The cops may not be able to listen in, but now you're talking directly to Batman, so you're just as busted.

  5. RTFA and all that by kebes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's keep this in perspective. The article says:

    A spokeswoman for the F.B.I. said "we're aware of the possibility" that older wiretap systems may be foiled through the techniques described in the paper. Catherine Milhoan, the spokeswoman, said after consulting with bureau wiretap experts that the vulnerability existed in only about 10 percent of state and federal wiretaps today. (emphasis added)

    So basically it is a minority of antiquated equipment that is vulnerable. Moreover, the person being wiretapped probably doesn't know what system is being used. It is not going to be possible to know, with any assurance, that you have actually defeated the system.

    What this probably means is that the FBI will phase out these older systems a little faster than they intended to (mostly due to the publicity-- they were probably already aware of this vulnerability, but didn't care much because "the bad guys" were not aware of it).

    1. Re:RTFA and all that by bhsx · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTWFA... The tried to force the Calea networks to keep the C-tone timeout. Congress didn't allow the force, but most Calea networks keep it anyway. Those that keep the C-tone are vulnerable to the same exploit.
      In other words: Most of the time, in current conditions, this will work.

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    2. Re:RTFA and all that by fxer · · Score: 1

      Really, the FBI said that? They didn't say "this is a huge problem and we got caught with our pants down"?

    3. Re:RTFA and all that by BeesTea · · Score: 1

      "What this probably means is that the FBI will phase out these older systems a little faster than they intended to (mostly due to the publicity-- they were probably already aware of this vulnerability, but didn't care much because "the bad guys" were not aware of it)."

      Sounds like a good reason to score extra funding next year. The FBI is probably glad they're publishing their findings.

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    4. Re:RTFA and all that by cpu_fusion · · Score: 1

      I see nothing in that quote that goes on record to state that, even as recently as a month ago, anything less than 100% of wiretaps had these vulnerabilities.

      Do you see that word "today"? (emphasis added)

    5. Re:RTFA and all that by Tux2slack · · Score: 1

      Yes, BUT, Taps can now be installed at the phone company. No more crawling around or climbing poles. In fact, the so called "Patriot Act" mandated all phone companies installing equipment to allow taps to be made as desired at the actual offices of the telephone companies.

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    6. Re:RTFA and all that by moro_666 · · Score: 1

      wouldn't it make more sense to just use encrypters on the phone ? so they can listen to these buzzing sounds in their black minivan all night long if they want to ...

      i know i would use them if the feds would try to snoop me. (and no, these are not so easy to hack/crack as it seems on the tv :p)

      now i'm gonna have to check when was the last time when i used a wire phone .. can't remember ^^.

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    7. Re:RTFA and all that by crashelite · · Score: 1

      ooo i know.... right click on telephone and go down to propertys.... ooo look wire tap 1.0 it work... if it is 2.0 ur screwed

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  6. Kind of like Phreaking... by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 0

    This seems to work on a similar premise to how phone "phreaking" worked. (Of course, you can read about Phreaking here.

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  7. Is this like a default password... by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...on a router/etc.? Like a programmer's backdoor that they forgot to shut off after they sold the units? I guess it's security through obscurity... relying on the subject not knowing they're even being tapped, and thus having no reason to try to stop the tap.

    1. Re:Is this like a default password... by Robotbeat · · Score: 1

      To get a feeling for old skool phreaking, you can read some parts of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Most of it is out of date, but it gives you an idea. A similar thing that you could do is to stop traces (it's actually in a PDF version of the Anarchist's Cookbook that I found some time, but this is the same thing), but I don't think it still works.

      I would never do phreaking. I have no will to do it, and I respect the laws of my country (America). I'm sure that over 90% of the phreaking stuff in the A.Cookbook doesn't work anymore anyways, but it's still an interesting read, especially if you work for a phone company.

  8. In other news... by Psionicist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other news: A team of researchers belived to be linked to an unknown group of terrorists was charged under the DMCA and PATRIOT act as a threat to national security. They are now being held for an unknown period if time, awaiting trial...

  9. Let me get this straight... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Funny



    High frequency tones turn off teenagers.

    Low frequency tones turn of the NSA.

    Slashdotter vocal tones turn off women.

    Did I miss anything?

    1. Re:Let me get this straight... by DrEldarion · · Score: 0

      Tommy Tutone is turned on by Jenny.

    2. Re:Let me get this straight... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1, Funny

      New sign at the NSA: Now Hiring Teens!

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    3. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Subsonic tones kill chickens. From the Turbo C online help for sound()
      True story: 7 Hz is the resonant frequency of a chicken's skull cavity. This was determined empirically in Australia, where a new factory generating 7-Hz tones was located too close to a chicken ranch: When the factory started up, all the chickens died.

      Your PC may not be able to emit a 7-Hz tone.

    4. Re:Let me get this straight... by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      And the "start" button turns off your computer.

    5. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very high frequency singing turns on female rats.

    6. Re:Let me get this straight... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      Who was the factory selling those 7Hz tones to ? I wouldn't have thought there would have been a very big market.

    7. Re:Let me get this straight... by Wikipedia · · Score: 0

      Musical tones stop dogs from barking.

      http://www.k9kalmer.com/

      As seen on digg.com/diggall

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    8. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Slashdotter vocal tones turn off women.
      Did I miss anything?

      Only one thing...

      33Hz tonesturn women *on*. (Long article, search for the word "Daytona" and read that paragraph).

  10. Bad news for voice over IP by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    The FBI is going to want voIP providers to duplicate this remote recorder stopping flaw so that it works just like the POTS network that they're used to tapping!

  11. Signalling device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the vein of other consipracy theorists...

    What if the low-tone just flags the FBI to your line?

  12. Would you rely on this? by David+Hume · · Score: 1
    A spokeswoman for the F.B.I. said "we're aware of the possibility" that older wiretap systems may be foiled through the techniques described in the paper. Catherine Milhoan, the spokeswoman, said after consulting with bureau wiretap experts that the vulnerability existed in only about 10 percent of state and federal wiretaps today.
    Would you rely on this? Particularly given the probability that, if it is a FBI wiretap, it is only going to work one time out of ten?
    There is some indirect evidence that criminals might already know about the vulnerabilities in the systems, Mr. Blaze said, because of "unexplained gaps" in some wiretap records presented in trials.
    Of course, if you play a long-shot you sometimes win.
  13. Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by kcbrown · · Score: 5, Funny
    Seems to me there's a, um, more permanent solution:

    1. connect disposable phone to phone line
    2. call some unimportant number
    3. connect 50,000 volt source to the phone line
    4. ZAAAAAP!!!!
    5. Watch feds exit the van across the street. You know, the one with the smoke billowing out of it.

    Oh, yeah, guess I forgot a step: flee the country, because they'll be after your ass now!

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    1. Re:Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by Dragoonmac · · Score: 1

      Too bad the blotto box will only blow out fuses, now if you could find a way to bypass those...

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    2. Re:Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just need more voltage to arc across the blown fuse terminals, right?

      Why yes, I do enjoy playing with Tesla coils. Why do you ask?

    3. Re:Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by Mattintosh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds like a good time to test out those new BOFH-Brand(tm) "fuses" found in the nail aisle of your local hardware store.

    4. Re:Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by sharkey · · Score: 1
      Watch feds exit the van across the street.

      You mean the delivery van from Flowers By Irene?

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    5. Re:Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by Solosoft · · Score: 1

      Actually I was pondering this once. Me and my friend went to a public auction and bought a box of random junk for like 5 bucks right. In this box is a 8500v Pulse transformer. What it's for is finding the break in a dead line underground. It pulses the power and your little detector will beep till the break in the line is found.

      Well ... I wonder what would happen if I connected it to a cable system or even a phone system ;)

      What kinda protection do those lines offer to stupid amounts of power going through them. You could take out a small block with one of those 8500v machines.

    6. Re:Wanna get rid of a wiretap on your phone? by duffahtolla · · Score: 1

      Dont fuses blow from too much current, rather than just a quick peak voltage? I'm thinking a pulse like that could could fly right through a fuse and still damage equipment.

  14. Emmanuel at 2600 is gonna love this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who said phone phreaking is dead?

  15. I, for one, welcome security flaws by PlayfullyClever · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember that we're all presumed innocent. To take an example of encryption, just because I'm using encryption does not mean that I am plotting nefarious schemes against my fellow citizens. I may be discussing confidential business things, for example. Y'know, dare I say it, I might actually work from home in an effort to not drive my car around and burn gas, hurt the environment, etc., etc.

    These sorts of mistakes can be dangerous. Imagine the above example--I'm some bigshot business-guy. I own a publicly traded company. The FBI inadvertently taps my phone and learns that someone at the company I work for has just invented something that will make the company a ton of money. Do you really think those agents aren't going to call up their stock-brokers and say, "BUY! BUY! BUY!" (Or, assume the other direction, if you prefer)

    Frankly, yes. I want to make it difficult for the government to wiretap it's citizens. I want somebody to look at the evidence that has been accumulated and act as my representative to say, "Hey, wait. Just because he encrypts his phone calls doesn't mean he's a terrorist." I want somebody to second-guess these guys.

    The story of the gutsy cop who goes against procedure to nab the bad guys before they enact their evil deeds is a great movie. But it's not real life--remember, in most cases we get the see the bad guys planning their acts in the movies so we know who the bad guy is. Reality is not that cut-and-dried.

    In short, I'm more worried about the government abusing it's power than of the terrorists blowing up a building. That happens alot more often.

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    1. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want somebody to look at the evidence that has been accumulated and act as my representative to say, "Hey, wait. Just because he encrypts his phone calls doesn't mean he's a terrorist." I want somebody to second-guess these guys.

      That's why "these guys" need to go before a judge to get a warrant to obtain a wiretap. What, you think that's just for fun?

    2. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by PlayfullyClever · · Score: 1

      I meant that there is an assumption when one uses encryption that it must be because there is "something to hide." I know they need to get a warrant but it doesn't change the fact that the fact I use encryption might be used to infer my guilt.

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    3. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by Cecil · · Score: 3, Informative

      The FBI inadvertently taps my phone and learns that someone at the company I work for has just invented something that will make the company a ton of money. Do you really think those agents aren't going to call up their stock-brokers and say, "BUY! BUY! BUY!"

      Listen, I hate the concept of a police state and wiretapping as much as the next guy, but this is a dumb defense. The SEC investigates transactions like that for a reason. "Gee, these two FBI agents who've never bothered to invest more than $10,000 in any single company, suddenly bought $400,000 worth of shares of this company at the perfect time and made $15,000,000. They might've been ridiculously lucky. Or more likely they might've had insider information. Let's look a little closer, shall we?"

      The stock market is like the world's biggest casino, and the SEC is certainly no less watchful and no less hesitant to break your legs if you try to cheat them.

    4. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by geobeck · · Score: 1
      Remember that we're all presumed innocent [until proven guilty].

      Not anymore, you're not. Since "Homeland Security" entered the landscape, you're presumed a terrorist until Bush leaves office.

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    5. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Need to get a warrant" - HA! That's so 1990!

    6. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The SEC is a nongovernmental agency without the full authority of the people of the united states. It would certainly initiate an investigation, but it would be unable to subpoena any information relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation. Hopefully, others in the FBI would take it from there, but if the crooked agents laundered the money well, that investigation would be at least as difficult as the one against the potentially crooked CEO that started the whole thing.

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    7. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why "these guys" need to go before a judge to get a warrant to obtain a wiretap

      Section 218 aka "FISA: It's everywhere you don't want to be"

      Section 218 amends the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a "bargain" struck in 1978 wherein the usual requirements for a police search--probable cause to believe a criminal act had occurred and a warrant--would be unnecessary in a teeny, tiny number of cases. That teeny, tiny number of cases just expanded dramatically.

      What it does: Secret searches can now be authorized by a secret court without public knowledge or Department of Justice accountability, so long as the government can allege there is any foreign intelligence basis for the search.

      {http://www.slate.com/id/2088106/}

      Sure, it's still a 'judge', but it's commonly assumed they just 'rubber-stamp' the requests. Since it's a "secret court", we can't be sure, iof course.

    8. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by PPGMD · · Score: 1
      The SEC would ask the DOJ and FBI to investigate the matter. The FBI and DOJ can investigate, and possibly prosecute it without blowing the case that ended up with the agents accidentally tapping the phone line of the CEO.

      Also why do you assume that the CEO is doing anything wrong, he simply makes a hypothetical case (one which I doubt would happen because I would hope that the agents have more of a moral fiber then that) that the CEO is overheard by agents that tapped the wrong phone line. He could be overheard simply talking to an engineer, and some VP at the company in preparing the announcement of the launch of the product.

    9. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I had a related thought -- namely, that given the gov't climate of the day, this story oughta be filed under "privacy" rather than under "security". :/

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    10. Re:I, for one, welcome security flaws by harryseldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I own a publicly traded company.

      You here demonstrate you have no idea what a publicly traded company actually is.

  16. Don't use in-band signalling/control by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Engineers figured this out a long time ago. TFA says it's only 10% of current systems anyway.

    1. Re:Don't use in-band signalling/control by fbjon · · Score: 1
      Perhaps they could escape the data signals that are identical to control signals? Like so:

      *low tone from tapped phone* => \*low tone from tapped phone*

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  17. I wonder if .... by jesusfingchrist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The OP has anything to do with this :

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/1 8/224826.shtml

    U.S. Police and Intelligence Hit by Spy Network

            Charles R. Smith
            Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2001

    Spies Tap Police and Government Phones

    In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, the FBI has stumbled on the largest espionage ring ever discovered inside the United States. The U.S. Justice Department is now holding nearly 100 Israeli citizens with direct ties to foreign military, criminal and intelligence services.

    The spy ring reportedly includes employees of two Israeli-owned companies that currently perform almost all the official wiretaps for U.S. local, state and federal law enforcement.

    The U.S. law enforcement wiretaps, authorized by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), appear to have been breached by organized crime units working inside Israel and the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad.

    Both Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were warned on Oct. 18 in a hand-delivered letter from local, state and federal law enforcement officials. The warning stated, "Law enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are less effective today than they were at the time CALEA was enacted."

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  18. It's a trap! by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Make up fake story about how to disable phone tapping via special tone
    2. Get story published on Slashdot (etc)
    3. If the people you are wiretapping start sending the tone, you now know they suspect they are being monitored
    4. Better yet, having used the tone, they now think they can talk freely
    5. gather evidence!
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    1. Re:It's a trap! by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      First, the aluminum foil helmet study folks tell us we can't wear our helmets anymore, and now this news comes out as a trap... I think we're being followed!

    2. Re:It's a trap! by cdrdude · · Score: 0

      You forgot two steps:

      6. ???
      7. Profit!

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    3. Re:It's a trap! by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

      6. Discover that the typical geek generates a lot of very boring false positives.

  19. Double-edged sword by jemenake · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Someone who thinks he's being wiretapped can apparently just send a low tone down the line that turns off the recorder
    Of course nobody would actually play that tone over the phone unless they were trying to foil wiretaps, right? How long do you think it'll be before the feds try to ammend the Patriot Act to allow them to listen just for that tone even on lines that they don't have a wiretap warrant for? Imagine picking up any phone in the U.S., playing the tone into it, and immediately getting your conversation recorded.... simply by virtue that you've already demonstrated your "guilty mind".

    I feel safer already....
    1. Re:Double-edged sword by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually that sounds like a good idea, now the feds will have 30,000 hours of geeks talking about upgrading linux on there new athlon. The .gov will spend millions trying to go through all the tapes, most calls will never be listened to. All of the sudden the 'real' terrorist they should have been listening to in the first place will blow something up.

      Moral of the story, dont waste your time with a person just because they want a little privacy.

    2. Re:Double-edged sword by fatmal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course nobody would actually play that tone over the phone

      What if Barry White makes a call - does that count as a low tone?

    3. Re:Double-edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if Barry White makes a call - does that count as a low tone?

      Well, considering Mr. White passed away a couple of years back, that would be more of a miraculous chanelling. ;-)

    4. Re:Double-edged sword by Detritus · · Score: 1

      That means it's time to stock up on canned goods and ammunition, and to board up the windows.

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    5. Re:Double-edged sword by Dext · · Score: 1

      Its does not work like that. The tone you play is the tone that normaly is made by your phone when you hang it up. it tricks the recorder into thinking you hung the phone up and turns itself off.

      Not to many people have caught onto the part that said this only worked in analog systems, which are very out of date and never used by smart criminals.

  20. Why should I be worried about a wiretap? by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    I've got nothing to hide.
    ccccccccc [click]

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  21. except by geekoid · · Score: 1

    the FBI aren't morons.

    As soon as the equipment starts getting gaps in it, they will replace it with newer equipment.
    It might work once, but that ahd be the only time you give away in clues/evidence on the phone line.

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    1. Re:except by vettemph · · Score: 1

      the FBI aren't [complete] morons. :)

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    2. Re:except by Furmy · · Score: 1

      the FBI aren't [complete] morons

      Care to provide a link to back that up?

      Didn't think so.

    3. Re:except by sapo916 · · Score: 1

      Just Google "Super Top Secret FBI Files DONT CLICK HERE" and read

    4. Re:except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tinfoil hat on...

      Not only would sending this low tone over the phone not disable the tap, it would probably flag the tap as "hey, they're trying to cover something up."

    5. Re:except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would but they'd have to kill me.
      Oh what the hell. I am anonymous...

      http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524/

      Can you provide a link to prove that they aren't complete morons?

      Didn't think so.

  22. i'm too newschool for tinfoil by evilmousse · · Score: 1


    see, i've always thought the holy grail of righteous anonymity was some black magic combination of phreaking, hacking, and maybe something to do with ham radio; never thought a tinfoil hat was the way to go. ^_-

    1. Re:i'm too newschool for tinfoil by zoloto · · Score: 1

      ssssh, don't give them any suggestions!

  23. But sometimes... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the powers-that-be add insult to injury. A few years ago German police woke up to the fact that a large portion of their wiretapping operation had gone sour. Apparently they used some sort of a digital voice-message like scheme to implement the surveillance and somebody, presumably a beancounter at one of the telecoms, decided to bill the customers in question for this 'service'.

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    1. Re:But sometimes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      somebody, presumably a beancounter at one of the telecoms, decided to bill the customers in question for this 'service'.

      Smart move if you can get away with it.

      LI (lawful intercept) costs many millions every year. The general trend (amongst the larger police states at least) has been to "mitigate" this cost by simply legislating that the carriers must provide these services and must provide them at no cost to the requestor. This leaves the carriers eating a great whacking cost for the privilege being thrown between the government and the rest of the criminals. In most countries I expect this charge is part of the "system access fee" or hidden in the 911 charge. Perhaps Germany neglected to do this and was none-too-gently reminded that somebody has to pay the piper.

    2. Re:But sometimes... by bcattwoo · · Score: 1
      The problem here was that customers who had their phones tapped (specifically mobile phones I believe) found a charge on their bill to a number that they did not call. Further investigation revealed that it belonged to the German secret service, who were naturally displeased with the whole thing.

      Supposedly, a similar thing happened in the U.S. and Canada a while back. In this case, the respective governemnts did pay for the wiretapping service but due to a bug in the telcos software, the customer was charges tax on the service. A customer who was astute enough might notice the overcharge on the tax and surmise that they were subject to a wiretap.

  24. Limited Value by digitalchinky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *Ahem* From the 'wire tapping' I know of it's all man in the middle, digitised, and stored on hard disk - with the cooperation of the telecoms or without. I haven't seen a 'tape recorder' in a good 10 years now. Still have them, just not needed any longer. I should imagine, given the hardware used in Australia, that US police would do a similar thing and if not - identical. The likelyhood these days of a machine that could be switched off remotely I would suggest is improbable at best.

    They did use "publicly available information" - what is made (or leaked to the) public is often years out of date, inaccurate, or simply not even true - rarely does it describe the technology in actual use, so don't go and loosen the straps on the tin foil just yet :-)

    1. Re:Limited Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right, the studio quality decks sold at auction for pennies. Take advantage of the situation by using synthesised voice calls uttering random gibberish, or slandering your favorite president/congress-critter of unspeakable acts or just plans B/S. Tie em up with false leads, to exotic locations requiring expensive aircraft hire. Think what you would have to say to make the third guy totally crack up. Heck, practice on telemarketers, string them on, then dump on em. Sadly, few red-hot tips /red herrings are ever actioned. Follow Crank Yankers for ideas...

  25. Yeah, right... by garyok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this some sort of darwinian IQ test for terrorists? You can just imagine the gleeful delight on their simple, child-like faces and the unrestrained joy they will experience with unfettered access to telecommunicaions this will allow.

    [low hum down a phone line]

    "Hello. Is that you Omar?"

    "Why, yes it is Osama. How are you today? And what's the weather like like in your donkey burrow in Yemen? The weather's great here in Florida. My view from the Delano Hotel's room window is fabulous - I am also ordering martinis like James Bond."

    "Yes, yes... quit your bragging. Just because you weren't born with the most recognisable stripey beard in the world... Now can we please start planning our next atrocity?"

    "Ah yes. It is pleasing that we can freely discuss our locations and plans now that the engineers of the American military-industrial complex have told us how to easily counteract their most sophisticated surveillance. Their foolishness in revealing this technique to the entire world, via the internet, has allowed us to dispense with our counter-surveillance training, techniques, and equipment. It is truly a golden age for violent reactionaries wishing to impose a totalitarian pseudotheocracy on the idol-worshipping, hemp-smoking, fornicating, soulless infidels!"

    "Wait! Who THE FUCK did you say told you this would work?!"

    "Yes, the Americans. They said we'd be safe if we did this. How typically naive of them. Their destruction is assured!"

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    1. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      When you enter America, as a terrorist you already passed a very difficult IQ test.
      You have to fill in a form and one of the questions you have to answer is:

      Are you a terrorist? (yes/no)

      Needless to say, answering this question saves a lot of work for Customs...

    2. Re:Yeah, right... by Redwin · · Score: 1

      Of course on that same form, when I flew across to the states a few years ago (about 2000 I think), was a section which was only applicable to males between the age of 16 and 45. Aside from the "Do you plan on carrying out any terrorist activities?" question there was one which asked if you were involved in the persecusion of the Jews between 1939 and 1945, which I found highly amusing.

      Of course the real question is that if you say yes to the question: Are you a terrorist would you get a more lenient sentance if caught? Well your honour, I did say I would carry out terrorist activites so you only really have yourselves to blame!

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    3. Re:Yeah, right... by Detritus · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is give the bad guy a choice between incriminating himself and committing a crime by lying on the form. This can be useful later. There are a number of war criminals who have had their citizenship revoked and been deported after it was found that they lied about their past.

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    4. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Islam forbids the consumption of alcohol...

    5. Re:Yeah, right... by garyok · · Score: 1

      It also forbids slaughtering the innocent too...

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  26. Better question: by barc0001 · · Score: 1

    Would you rely on a spokesperson to tell you how much of their equipment is affected by a potentially devastating flaw? Remember what Sony said about the rootkit..

  27. You just think your safe... by Psithe · · Score: 1

    This is just so the criminals will think they are safe after turning off the recorder... Since the one in use probably isn't affected.

    1. Re:You just think your safe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      your

      can you please learn english k thx

  28. finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think i should share the secret to eternal happiness with all. Go to the .. CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC .. ok gotta go.

  29. ThinkGeek by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, how long until http://www.thinkgeek.com has phones that do this automaticly? :)

  30. Dial tone music? by sanermind · · Score: 1

    Anyone else notice that the number dialed sounds awfully like a touch-tone rendition of "That's Amore", as in "When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, That's amore"? Some sort of subtly humourous mobster reference, perhaps?

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    1. Re:Dial tone music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How observant, but obsolete. This just happens to be the same as 123-456-7890.

  31. quick fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    just have everyone start phone conversations with "president bomb alquada" and /. the wire taps, they can't record, or at least filter everything.

  32. Parabolic microphones, bypass legal limits? by mark_osmd · · Score: 1

    I'd think if the FBI wanted to get evidence on a suspected crook or terrorist, they'd just park a guy across the street with a parabolic mic or two. Since there's no physical tapping of the house or any wires involved I'd guess there's no need for a court order even? All the mic is doing is sniffing sounds in public, legally like the way popparatzi (sp?) avoid legal problems photographing stars in public. Also because of the illusion of privacy the suspect would tend to talk more freely avoiding the fact that criminals tend to not talk freely on possibly tapped lines.

    1. Re:Parabolic microphones, bypass legal limits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure this would hold up in court, just like when courts struck down infra-red cameras without a warrent. The reasoning being, while this data is publicly exposed, you have the expectation of privacy. You would not expect anyone to hear you with your windows shut.

    2. Re:Parabolic microphones, bypass legal limits? by cpghost · · Score: 1

      You would not expect anyone to hear you with your windows shut.

      While this may be a legalistic argument, it is technically untrue. Laser bugs directed at (closed) windows can very easily fetch all the vibrations from inside the room. This is widely known, and there are some devices you can attach to the glass to introduce enough interference. Oh, and these devices are not very effective, since laser bug experts often just focus/direct the beam towards other reflective surfaces within the room itself (mirrors etc...).

      So, people may not expect it, but they leak a lot of physical information to the outside of their rooms; and what would prevent anyone from capturing that? Physically nothing at all. Legally, well... perhaps, with the right legislation.

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  33. I believe this was designed for specific use by WillRobinson · · Score: 1

    I bet the politicans were the first to know about this "feature".
    GWB: You know this Sadam guy is pretty bad dude, I think we need to, wait just a second BZZZZZ ...

    1. Re:I believe this was designed for specific use by skratchpad · · Score: 0

      So you think that George W. Bush, alien invader, is smart enough to create and send the specific tone required to utilize this exploit?

      Or, if you figure someone gave him a button that does it, you actually think he's smart enough to push a button?

      You, sir, yes you. I have a bridge for sale....

    2. Re:I believe this was designed for specific use by WillRobinson · · Score: 1

      Well that was a bit of a streach, but I am confident that those that are in power, and their minions know all about the features of even the newer wire tapping systems. There will be for shure ways to disable it or detect it for those whom are in power.

  34. The only reason they are releasing this... by mattyohe · · Score: 1

    is so they can let people know their HILARIOUS counterfeit mattresses joke.

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  35. In-band signaling by Crouty · · Score: 1
    If you think in-band signaling is a smart idea I have a statue in NYC to sell to you.

    Am I the only one who thinks of Cap'n Crunch?

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  36. How to submit a story to Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Go to boingboing.net
    2. Copy the link to a 2-day old article
    3. Submit to slashdot (with referrer link in your username URL)
    4. Profit!

  37. Crap! by Graham1982 · · Score: 1
    Now almost everyone knows this flaw, the FBI knows that everyone else knows, thus they will fix the bug. Way to go guys, I was thwarting them for years until just now!

    Anyway, I wonder if they really will change/augment the current equipment now that this information is public knowlegde. Then again, one would have to suspect or know that they are being wiretapped to implement countermeasures anyway. Is any VOIP being successfully tapped, and what methods are being used? What forms of communication are the most difficult to eavesdrop upon? Just some interesting questions for you to ponder on.

    1. Re:Crap! by Unski · · Score: 1

      Anyway, I wonder if they really will change/augment the current equipment now that this information is public knowlegde.

      Could it be that one modification they might be quick to make could be to flag up all calls initiated with a low, deep tone.... ?

      Oh, I forgot, I'm from the UK and I've watched Spooks, so I know better; calls are tapped using a non-descript operating system which uses 72 pt fonts from The Matrix and can traverse our crappy, sub-divided and patchy POTS phone system as well as pin-point locating any mobile call, apparantly even from pre-pay mobiles..all to the sound of urgent violins.

    2. Re:Crap! by mr.+methane · · Score: 1

      I think I can say that the techniques employed at present have the theoretical capability of capturing a voip session. I am not sure if there has been a public discussion over the use of that capability.

      I know I'm pouring cold water on a lot of geek fantasies, but intercepts are expensive and chew up a lot of resources. Downloading a Madonna CD isn't going to get you one. Buying an eight-ball of coke won't either. You really, really have to work pretty hard to get a couple field agents to fill out the paperwork, a supervisor to sign off on it, a couple of techs to install the equipment, counsel to review both the intercept order and the product of the intercept.

  38. Asterisk by r00t · · Score: 1

    I think you can do this with Asterisk PBX config files, using the desired tone as background music.

    Anybody have code for it?

    The trouble is being able to start the tone at the desired time. One would rather not need to be seated at the console I think. I guess you could swipe DTMF, but that has problems.

    1. Re:Asterisk by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      " I think you can do this with Asterisk PBX config files, using the desired tone as background music."

      Oh, good call.


      "The trouble is being able to start the tone at the desired time."

      Nothing some silence at the beggining of the MP3 or whatever couldn't fix. But does it really need to start at the right time? Isn't the presence of the tone enough?

    2. Re:Asterisk by r00t · · Score: 1

      The presence of the tone is enough for the equipment, but you'd want to have a short, friendly, and innocent-sounding chat before you activate it. Completely 100% empty calls would be suspicious.

  39. demo link by BushCheney08 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The link has a demo.

    Hey, it works! I tried the demo and a few minutes later the big black van parked out front drove away...

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  40. Overturn convictions? by spazoid12 · · Score: 1

    It is also possible to falsify the numbers dialed.

    I wonder how many defense lawyers are curious about that bit.

  41. The low tone... by Woy · · Score: 1

    probably turns on the recorder.

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  42. Are you serious ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you serious ? How many cops in the U.S. have you met ? Most I've met can turn on their car, most of the time. Anything more difficult and a look comes over their face like you caught them in the middle of a bowel movement after 2 large bean burritos. They do not have the best tech gear in the world either, have you read about the problems the FBI had upgrading their computer systems the last 10 years ? The local cops are much worse. The state police can handle a radar gun, and not much else, they never get off the highway, except to try to find a piece of ass for a Governor like Clinton. Do you know anyone who has become a police officer ? I know a few, none of them were even in the top half of the gene pool. They are lucky, the one and only demographic that is even less bright than a police officer is a common criminal, and they only get them about half the time in the U.S.

    1. Re:Are you serious ? by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      See sig below, I am fully serious. The days of police parking outside a house in a van with dark tinted windows have long since faded into history. The same police that go out on patrol are not the same ones that sit in an airconditioned operations room full of E1/T1 analysers, DTX-240's, modems, and all the other identical kit that the telco's use. These people are (though somewhat less frequently these days) mostly poached from the military - and if not, they always come complete with university degree. (Type of degree doesn't even matter, just the fact that they got one usually means some level of rational competence)

      Every other week I read about computer and network related problems the FBI, the NSA, DSD, the CIA, GCHQ, GCSB, etc... From the inside it's all business as usual, same old help desk calls, same old sparc's that nobody quite remembers what they do any longer (until you switch them off) - these problems of which you speak are typically manufactured and fed out from higher up in the political spheres. (Yeah, I get my butt kicked for these comments sometimes too) They have a message all of their own.

  43. heh, that's why I talk in code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I just use this simple code:

    "bomb" = "orange"

    "airplane" = "comfy chair"

    "hijack" = "order sausage"

    "jihad" = "balanced diet"

    "suicide bomber" = "that kid with the funny teeth"

    "terror attack" = "breakfast at Denny's"

    "Mohammed" = "Steve"

    "Osama" = "Mom"

    "Praise Allah" = "Don't forget to write"

    For instance, I might want to send along the following message:

    "Hey Steve! Mom says, don't miss breakfast at Denny's THIS TUESDAY AT 10AM. As part of your balanced diet, you need to order sausage from the comfy chair. Don't forget the big juicy orange. Give it to the kid with the funny teeth. You'll know him when you see him. Don't forget to write!"

    Heh. If the goons ever found out, I'm in deep shit.

    D'oh.

  44. Re: Security Flaws Allow Wiretaps to be Evaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The good news is that most bad guys are not clever and not determined. We used to call it criminal Darwinism."
    Except in Kansas.

  45. You forgot: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    6. ???
    7. Profit!

  46. Flipped bits (was Re:Would you rely on this?) by quarkscat · · Score: 1

    Exactly so.

    Between NSA, the FBI, and various unnamed DoD agencies are now considerably overworked monitoring their (subjugated) citizens. Merely changing the logic on their surveillance equipment to specifically monitor POTS communications with the low amplitude low octave "C" being broadcast (to shut off their bugs) would certainly free up some manpower and equipment to focus on the "professional" terrorists using voice encryption or other high tech methods. Only "newbie" suicide bomber wannabes would make use of such insecure methods of communications.

    If this story was not explicitly a planted news item to spread disinformation, it would surprise me. This has to be a plot lifted directly out of MAD Magazine's "Spy vs Spy" segment.

  47. Off-Hook detectors and DTMF variability by billstewart · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's not a backdoor, it's a design feature that's being phreaked. Analog Wiretaps can't use the phone switch standard signalling method to detect whether a phone's on-hook or off-hook, because they're patched around the switch, so the equipment transmits a tone whenever the phone's on-hook to tell the recorder not to bother recording. And because it's running on phone-quality wire, it's an in-band tone, usually one of the extra four Touch-Tone tones, which means that the phone's user can send the tone themselves to tell the wiretapper's recorder that they're not there. The recorder _could_ have been built to do voice detection, but it's an old design and this is a cheaper and dumber way to implement it.

    But wiretappers don't just record voice, they record dialed numbers and caller-id. The other set of flaws, which you can read about in the longer PDF paper, depend on the fact that DTMF detectors are usually analog devices with a certain amount of sensitivity, and in general the phone switch and the wiretapper's equipment won't be the same. So you can find out how far off to bend your touchtones and have the phone switch still listen to you, and then you can send touchtones in-spec or out-of-spec to confuse the wiretapper's equipment, which can't tell whether the phone switch is or is not listening to the numbers you can dial. If it's more sensitive than the phone switch, you can send bogus digits that the wiretapper will record and the phone switch will ignore - but if it's less sensitive, and you're sending your digits just at the edge of the phone switch's range, the wiretapper won't see them.

    You can play similar games with CallerID, giving the wiretapper lots of entertaining stuff to listen to when you're not on the phone.

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  48. SS7 by horacerumpole · · Score: 1
    While the paper seems to come from a serious source, as far as I'm familiar with this kind of equipment (I worked for Comverse (CMVT), which builds these wiretapping boxes) the simple solution is called SS7 (Signaling System number 7). It's an out-of-band signaling system that provisions and "tears down" calls on a separate network from the voice cables and therefore cannot be messed with over the line, no matter what you send on it.

    I start to believe from this article that the affected systems (the FBI says only 10% are affected) are just too old and have never been upgraded to use SS7.

  49. URLs for the REAL papers say lots more. by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative
    The shorter HTML version mainly talks about attacks on the voice eavesdropping parts, while the Longer PDF paper for IEEE has even more technical detail and talks about attacks on dialed-number-recording Pen Registers and CallerID, which the Feds and Local Police are able to wiretap without the same level of court order that a voice wiretap requires. (I've done the NYUD-automatic-caching versions of the URLs, rather than the raw URL, to protect against Slashdotting.)

    Basically, there's a fairly high proportion of the wiretapping gear that's actually deployed is vulnerable, in spite of what the police PR folks say, and it's much easier to hack the pen-register technology (though probably impossible to prevent the phone company from giving a direct billing database feed to the Feds, which you probably can't hack.)

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  50. Feature, not a flaw - although poorly implemented. by Distan · · Score: 1

    Any chain of logic that leads to the conclusion that "society" has rights over the individual is in error.

    As an individual, once I make the decision not to be spied upon, that decision outweighs any interest "society" has in spying upon me. Hence (as an example) strong encryption is an absolute right.

    If this wiretap system has a feature that allows the individual to disable that, the the developers of the system are to be commended - even if their implementation is weak.

    A better implementation would interrupt the beginning of each call with a dialogue like this:

    "The conversation you are about to engage in may be monitored by outside parties. Please press '1' to confirm you permit this monitoring. To deny permission, and disable all monitoring, please press '2', or simply stay on the line."

  51. 4-5-4-1-oh-oh-oh by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

    Call Mr. Lee.
    He'll know the code is broken.
    Tell him the dog is turning red.

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  52. Who ya gonna call? by Chris+Tyler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, prepaid cellphones can be counted as "disposable, one-use toys", but you have to have someone to call! If both parties are going through prepaids like candy - one or two calls then on to the next phone - managing the constantly-changing phone numbers becomes more than a small chore, and it becomes a nightmare to keep a half-dozen parties in touch with each other. It's not going to happen on both ends of the connection.

    You don't need to tap the prepaids, you just need to tap the numbers that the prepaids are calling.

    1. Re:Who ya gonna call? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I never answer the phone, nor do I talk to people. Someone might be listening, or watching.
      Slashdot is my only means of communication with the "real" world.

    2. Re:Who ya gonna call? by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Buy them in pairs and add the other phone into the speed dial, then label them in sequence. Use phone pair 1 for a few calls, then switch to pair #2, ad infinitum.

    3. Re:Who ya gonna call? by yo5oy · · Score: 1

      If the people in communication are oraganized enough to use prepaid phones then they can meet to exchange the phones. One could send cell phones via mail services with the numbers preprogrammed. They will keep conversations short, coded, and only use them to call the preprogrammed numbers. You could even mix it up a bit and not use the prepaid all the time. You could find several pay phones that allow outgoing calls. In fact, albeit rare, there are still pay phones that accept incoming calls. You could also use GSM cards and just have (pseudo random no. ) of them and change them with each phone call.

      In short, the management of the constantly changing numbers is not an issue if you preprogram the numbers or meet to exchange the numbers. It would take all of 20 minutes to activate and then program half a dozen cell phones by hand. You wouldn't want to use a computer and link cable to do it since you'd have the data on your (ramdisk) drive.

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  53. Re:Oh please by viperblades · · Score: 1

    one problem there, your prepaid phone has some sort uid. now i just need to get that uid via rf scanning ONCE. at that point i just have to tap the cell phone and you will have no indications of the phone being comprimised.

  54. Yeah, and they wouldn't lie by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    A spokeswoman for the F.B.I. said "we're aware of the possibility" that older wiretap systems may be foiled through the techniques described in the paper. Catherine Milhoan, the spokeswoman, said after consulting with bureau wiretap experts that the vulnerability existed in only about 10 percent of state and federal wiretaps today.

    So basically it is a minority of antiquated equipment that is vulnerable. Moreover, the person being wiretapped probably doesn't know what system is being used. It is not going to be possible to know, with any assurance, that you have actually defeated the system.


    Well, we don't have any way to actaully verify those figures. They could just be saying that to make people think their systems really are secure. After all, they are the subject of the article, the ones who are trying to wiretap people.

  55. Did you read that by Commander+Trollco · · Score: 0

    in an edition of "The Fabulous furry Freak Brothers"?

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  56. O-oh by tsa · · Score: 1

    Poor Matt Blaze. He and his team will be put in jail because of the DMCA.

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  57. Re:Feature, not a flaw - although poorly implement by woolio · · Score: 1
    "The conversation you are about to engage in may be monitored by outside parties. Please press '1' to confirm you permit this monitoring. To deny permission, and disable all monitoring, please press '2', or simply stay on the line."

    In that case there might as well be a 3rd option:

    "To quickly schedule a one-way trip to Mexico, please press '3'"
  58. Blatant misinformation by BitHive · · Score: 1

    This is simply a ploy to entice potential targets with a guilty conscience to identify themselves, so they can be flagged automatically for later tapping.

  59. Clever plan by heikkile · · Score: 2, Funny

    Problem: Too much wiretapping, not enough time to shift through them all. Solution: Get the suspect to mark the interesting discussions with a special tone. Give highest priority to the taps that have used this magic tone. Pretty clever, if you ask me.

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  60. So who makes one that's not vulnerable? by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Time to buy some stock. The spooks'll likely upgrade and spend a few $$$ on new ones...

  61. THEY DO RECORD ALL CALLS by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    Dude, the cell phone companies record ALL CALLS, ALL SMS, ALL VOICE MSGS, for 48hrs on HD.
    They use a filename DB scheme to store the id/date/phnum in the filename it self.

    150m customers, * 48hrs = 1 days worth of profits to buy the fileserver.

    If you want secure comms, go use an underwater pen/pad and do it when in the pool or beach under water.
    No one, even flipper will be able to see it.

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  62. 50cent , put this in a rap song by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    I want every rapper to put this into their songs.

    That way, with it being played somewhere, sometime it will always trigger a 'off mode'

    buwahhahahha

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  63. High tech phone number exchange devices by Mr+Guy · · Score: 1

    We have these high tech devices that have just come out that let you send just a phone number to someone for the other person to call. They are call "pagers" and you may even be able to find one in a store near you.

    Very cheap, if the alternative is going to jail.

    1. Re:High tech phone number exchange devices by Chris+Tyler · · Score: 1

      Right, good thing that pagers don't have fixed phone numbers, otherwise the law would be on to us! Oh, wait...

    2. Re:High tech phone number exchange devices by Mr+Guy · · Score: 1

      Because it would be so easy for law enforcement to:

      1) Intercept a paged message
      2) Unscramble the phone number sent (protected by any form of low brain power encryption, ie number + 1: 911 becomes 022)
      3) Get the phone company to put a wiretap on the correct one time use phone number (Even this is being generous and assuming they won't encounter any resistance in using a roving a warrant that lets them tap any phone number that MAY be connected to their subject)
      4) And do it all within the 10 to 15 seconds of privacy the criminal needs to coordinate using a known secure phone line.

  64. Re:Oh please by Liam+Slider · · Score: 1

    Yes, but you still have to know what cellphone to do that to. And I don't have to keep that cellphone long, or can have it completely reset regularly. It's inexpensive to do so with systems like tracfone. Especially if you're in a lucrative illicit business. In which case if you do have a tap, you're back to square one. And this is exactly the point I was making.

  65. Wiretapping is mostly done by Verisign by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative
    It's not well known, but most wiretapping in the US is actually done by Verisign. It's a commercial service they sell. Verisign runs most of the SS7 signalling network used to control the phone system. So they put in a back door that lets them route calls to or from specific phones to their wiretapping center in Northern Virginia. From there, the wiretapping is fed out to law enforcement, the intelligence community, and other interception customers, using T1 lines.

    Since this works through SS7, and full call-control information is available, it's immune to any in-band tones.

    See this old Slashdot article with more links.

    1. Re:Wiretapping is mostly done by Verisign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still vulnerable if the idle tone recognizing backward compatability features are turned on at the LAW ENFORCEMNT side of the tap. RTFA.

  66. Technical details of wiretapping interface by Animats · · Score: 1
    If that's happening, it's a bug on the LEA side. That's not the way it works via the CALEA interface. Read the ANSI J-STD-025-A wiretapping interface standard. The wiretapping equipment should start recording upon receiving a CCOpen message and stop recording after receiving a CCClose message, as defined in the Lawfully Authorized Electronic Surveillance Protocol. These messages go over a data channel associated with a bank of "voice" channels, so they are out of band, and they're generated from the SS7 messages, so they reflect what call setup is really doing. If the logging based on the LAESP traffic doesn't match the length and timestamps on the recorded data, that's an indication that something has gone wrong on the LEA side.

    This is rev A of the standard. Rev B is out, and has some new features for VoIP, mobile location, and such.

    All this describes the delivery side of wiretapping. The control side, via which wiretap requests are made, is web-based in some Lucent switches. That side isn't as standarized as the delivery side. Early thinking was that there would be about as many wiretaps in the CALEA era as there were before, so control events would be rare. But volume is up and the control side is getting to be a problem, especially since the Patriot Act's "roving wiretap" provisions.

    And that's a bit more of how Big Brother works.

    1. Re:Technical details of wiretapping interface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you should RTFA. It clearly states that the CCC recording can also be optionally controlled by C-tone, in addition to the CCC message. Come back after you've actually read the article.

  67. Not the most ethical or credible source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guys, the "author" of this "study" is none other than Mat Blaze, who is not exactly what you'd call an ethical or credible source. He's more interested in making a name for him self than being responsible or ethical (remember master keys????) What is the point of publishing such "research"????? If it even works.