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Unisys Gets DHS Contract Worth Up to $750 million

feamsr00 writes "In an affirmation of its business relationship with Unisys Corp., the Department of Homeland Security awarded the Blue Bell firm a "bridge" contract worth up to $750 million. Some controversy erupted in the fall after it was reported that the government was auditing a Unisys contract because the company had possibly overbilled the Transportation Security Administration by as much as 171,000 hours of labor and overtime. TSA is a division of the Homeland Security department. Unisys is also to upgrade the Department of Homeland Security's headquarters facility in Washington."

119 comments

  1. Thank God for the Government's Incompetence ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the only thing preventing our complete loss of freedoms.

    1. Re:Thank God for the Government's Incompetence ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unisys is a very large company. Just because there are a few bad apples does not ruin the entire bunch, they can be pruned. It's great that the government is adopting more technology. Unisys is only a means to that.

  2. pardon me? by Combas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Man I wish I was in security right now.

    I just find it amazing how security experts are getting paid such big bucks yet according to recent audits show they arent really making things all that much safer.

    1. Re:pardon me? by biocute · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't have to make things much safer, they only have to make people feel that things are much safer now.

    2. Re:pardon me? by SilverspurG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't be so certain the experts are getting paid big bucks. It's likely the vast majority of this money will be lost in planning, overhead, and infrastructure--the CEO, the VPs, and the executive board. If any jobs are created for it there will be two middle managers and six entry level desk clerks. That's what $750 million buys for the taxpayers.

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    3. Re:pardon me? by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .audits show they arent really making things all that much safer.

      Well, D'oh. They really can't you know?

      The only real, practical affect they can have is to put as at considerably more danger from them.

      Now be a good boy, take off your shoes, drop your pants and spread your checks, for your own safety.

      KFG

    4. Re:pardon me? by ClamIAm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because they're getting tons of contracts doesn't mean their suggestions are being put into production. I'm sure more than one security expert has said "get rid of this app" or recommended some better method, and then was either refused or the idea was abandoned after two weeks because it was "too hard".

    5. Re:pardon me? by university+chica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I work for TSA. We really don't get paid that well, and our overtime and staffing have been cut drastically. Maybe if we weren't understaffed by almost 30% of our federally allotted screeners and prohibited from doing overtime, security would be better.

    6. Re:pardon me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I like the new sig. I gave you shit about it quite a while back when it was the "can you survive? one. Good to see you have a sense of humor about it. I may even check it out if I get some slack time at work.

    7. Re:pardon me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that. You have to make people think things are still very dangerous (to get continued funding) but assure them that you're taking extreme measures (like bombing people and taking away freedoms) in an effort to make them safer.

    8. Re:pardon me? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      They don't have to make things much safer, they only have to make people feel that things are much safer now.

      Reminds me of the BASF commercial. "we don't make the things, we make them better.."

      Being that they can't make things much safer, I would guess that is all they have to do.

      Now remind me the job of the press? Here are the current "headlines" on CNN. I could not make this up.

      National

        Abramoff pleads guilty in casino case
        Unable to produce visa, teen is jailed
        Police: Pups get sitter, kids left home alone

      World

        40 killed in Karbala suicide bombing
        Egypt troops killed at Gaza border
        First bird flu death outside of Asia

      Politics

        Bush: Iraqi forces will take more control in 2006
        Cheney: NSA eavesdropping critical

      Legal

        Justices order Padilla transferred to Miami
        Abramoff pleads guilty in casino case

      With competition for perceived safety from these guys, Unisys has their job cut out for them.

  3. that's great. by User+956 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It makes me feel much better, considering they cut the CyberSecurity budget to $16 million.

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    1. Re:that's great. by aywwts4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dont worry, once you see the heaps of giant flatscreen monitors and really cool custom "Terrortracking" GUIs just flashing random information on the screens faster than anyone could processs the information you will feel much safer. Oh and its all going to make cool Beeps and Boops, alienware is supplying the cases, and Dont let me forget to mention the tinted glass walls everywhere and blue and red gelled accent lighting, oh, and the lasers!

      I mean, atleast, if its anything like TV.

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    2. Re:that's great. by ActMatrix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read the article more closely, the RESEARCH budget got cut to $16 million. This has been misquoted or misunderstood by countless Slashdot posters. As a security consultant in the DC metro area, I can assure you that DHS spends far more than $16 million on IT security.

    3. Re:that's great. by HardCase · · Score: 1

      Dude, how long is it going to take you to figure out that you're wrong? This is the second or third time that I've seen you post that link and it's pretty clear that it doesn't say what you seem to think that it says.

      -h-

    4. Re:that's great. by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unfortunately, it's not just TV. I had a client that built an ops center pretty much like that to impress federal clients. They had a nice conference room that featured a huge window with power driven blinds that can raised dramatically at the push of the button to reveal the ops center with its rows of computers and large projection screen.

      None of this was necesssary in the least. They could have operated without an ops center and with a projector in the conference room. In fact Ops wasn't used on a regular basis; when they had a VIP they roped in a bunch of employees, making sure they had their official uniform shirts on, and made them sit in Ops. Now that they have landed a number of contacts, they're looking to sell their white elephant offices and move to cheaper digs.

      The lesson: if you dont' know what you're doing, you'd better look like you know what you're doing. If you really don't know what you're doing, then hire somebody who looks like they do.

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    5. Re:that's great. by caseydk · · Score: 1


      Isn't that the sort of crap Enron did?

      I worked in an Ops Center for a traffic control center... they had huge plasma screens to watch their soap operas. Stunning...

    6. Re:that's great. by Gruneun · · Score: 1

      I mean, atleast, if its anything like TV

      Sadly, it's not just television.

      One of our labs now has multiple plasmas that were purchased so the operators could "view activity of several machines simultaneously". Nevermind that the resolution of the plasmas allows only for the at-a-glance viewing of three or four machines and have to be zoomed to a specific box for actual study (still, at an unacceptable resolution). More importantly, ignore that the same amount of money burned on the plasmas and switchboxes could have easily purchased 20-30 flat-panel LCD monitors with higher reoslutions for the simultaneous viewing of all their boxes. Last, ignore that the LCD monitors could be replaced, individually, in the event that they fail.

      Good home theater purchase. Shitty IT purchase.

    7. Re:that's great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. True. Plasma screens in "war rooms" have their uses for cool winamp displays and big screen movie day, but if they want to put useful work related information on it, it will have to be in huge letters and graphical form. This is where XML comes handy so you can build a "graphical viewer" for your existing data.

  4. Cronyism at its finest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    who cares about getting the best people to do the job, just make your friends and family rich and fsk the peasants, its the neoconAmerican way !

  5. A more corrupt version of IBM by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 1

    http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pr o&ddlC=59
    Does Unisys actually make any innovative products or provide useful services, or do they just drain money from corporations and governments run by foolish PHBs (Pointy Haired (Bosses || Bureaucrats))?

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    1. Re:A more corrupt version of IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, that's pretty much all we do. Awful outsourcing at huge prices. The funny thing, we outsource our internal helpdesk to Bangalore. -Unisys Employee.

    2. Re:A more corrupt version of IBM by doubtless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I worked for Unisys about 4 years ago, they had 32 way xeon machines. They were the company that provided the biggest windows server, OEM to HP too. Not that I'm saying it's necessarily a great product, but do give them some credits.

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    3. Re:A more corrupt version of IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you been living under a rock for the past 15 years? Unisys is one of the most infamous submarine patent companies in the world.

    4. Re:A more corrupt version of IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being unproductive and chatting on the phone with another human. Close your own calls! It's faster and less error prone. :-P -Other Unisys Employee

  6. I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

    Reading a story about 'us' overbilling, generally being corrupt is a bit of a non event. Breaks my fucking heart to see some of the shit that goes on with middle and upper management, coming into the office every day means giving up a bit (read: a lot) of self respect, unfortunately I've got bills to pay :(

    1. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a terrible liar.

    2. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why would I bother with lies? There's nothing for me to gain by spinning bullshit to anybody.

      I work for Unisys, they're a pack of assholes. We sell expensive services to PHB's and effectively do very little. Front line workers are treated like imbeciles, customers are milked more than I thought could have been possible.

      Management is little short of insulting, the day I recieved training manuals on "How to ensure you're not dealing with a terrorist organisation", was the day I started looking elsewhere for income. A company like this wasting money feeding the ol' terror machine is something I just don't want to be a part of anymore.

      A lot of the time a problem arises, there's more discussion on how to avoid fixing it, or making it an "out of scope" issue than there is discussion on how to fix the problem and avoid it in the future.

      Believe what you like, but maybe somebody will read this and look elsewhere for an outsourcing solution, maybe they won't. Clearly that won't have any impact on you.

    3. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont know unisys much, we've dealt with tonnes of ibm hp and sun servers.

      A while ago I read about unisys being big, I hadnt seen unisys like ANYWHERE in the public sector. People would rather buy beige servers from tigerdirect than buy unisys. Turns out theyre just in bed with Microsoft, and are All American (although so are others like sun). Somehow I dont 'get' Unisys and their market, possibly because I've never touched one.

      Believe me I understand having to pay bills, which is why I'm posting AC too. I'm not doing what I should be doing. Our company is also living off a few big contracts (we're not american btw) and sell overpriced products. However they do sell some of the best products in their class in a few places... If Unisys isnt anything special over all other server vendors, must be tough to work there. We should be working for google right now.

    4. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if they do look elsewhere, perhaps that will create an opening that someone fills, ultimately creating a series of openings that you end up filling. Best of luck. It could be worse, you could have been at SCO.

    5. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We sell expensive services to PHB's and effectively do very little

      Tell me one company that doesn't do this. NCR. IBM. Dell. EMC. NetApp. Face it, you're buying insurance when you buy a large service contract. There is a money buffer built into large contracts in case they get sued! This does happen quite a lot with large companies. Face it, they just work differently than mom and pop shops. Mom and pop can't fill government computing hunger and never expect to be sued though, it's just a different ballpark.

      As far as the "Look for terrorist training", I think you misinterpreted our ethics training. They mentioned to "look for suspicious activity" if you work in Unisys Europe because we are United States based and have to follow some dumb government regulations.

      Lastly, best of luck to you on your job search!

    6. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you work in sales? I'm a programmer for the Federal Govt branch, and I don't feel at all like you do. Actually, working at a gov't installation makes me feel very disconnected from Unisys. Who do I work for again?

      As for you feeling insulted by the terrorist-warning manual, imagine you're the one responsible for winning a contract with a company that later turns out to be a front for Hezbollah or something, and they get all their assets seized... you know you and your company are going to be in the glaring white lights for at least a bit. I don't disagree with Unisys or any company educating their staff about due diligence in this area.

    7. Re:I work for Unisys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I use to work for Unisys too (Until just a few months ago). They have so many "stove pipes" within the company that it is almost like many little companies with the same name. I have worked on some cross pipeline work and can tell you that there are many different feels. Basically what I learned was that the older pipelines that were involved in system development or hardware sales and service were the worst to deal with. The newer pipelines that are involved in consulting based services were the best and really care about the quality of the work they provide. Costing and billing are done by completely different departments. Their security guys are top notch. I really wanted to go work for them but a better offer came in elsewhere so I had to do what was best for me (DC is an expensive place to live)

  7. Its a government contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course you are gonna over bill them by as much as you have the balls to do.

  8. DHS Windows upgrade by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Funny
    Unisys is also to upgrade the Department of Homeland Security's headquarters facility in Washington.

    WMF patch rollout Tuesday.

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    1. Re:DHS Windows upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be silly, this is Unisys we're talking about. They'll just replace all the WMFs with GIFs and collect $$$ in patent royalties :)

    2. Re:DHS Windows upgrade by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Unisys is also to upgrade the Department of Homeland Security's headquarters facility in Washington.

      WMF patch rollout Tuesday.


      But it's Unisys. Shouldn't that be a GIF lawsuit rollout Tuesday?

  9. Unisys! Ah, the memories.... by imperious_rex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's nice to know Unisys's heart-warming corporate culture hasn't changed over the past few years. Ah yes, I remember well the days of the great GIF Patent Shakedown indeed! Bastards.

    1. Re:Unisys! Ah, the memories.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know anything about that besides the chaff and bullshit you read on the internet? I'm sure that in your happy little world, everything is free and open without a care or bother as to anyone's rights being protected. Fortunately, as Mark Starr so rightly pointed out in 1999, that's not the American way.

    2. Re:Unisys! Ah, the memories.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everything is free and open without a care or bother as to anyone's rights being protected.

      Um... I think that on the 'body' count his position is better.

      One corporation having its right to milk money from a submarine patent versus the right of a gazillion people to keep peacefully using their self-crafted GIFs on their webpages.

      Any sane government or patent office would concede that GIFs were too important and widespread to allow a patent on it to be enforced and as such protect its people from such trivial matter.

      Alas, nobody thinks on preserving people's rights to not be ruled by OBVIOUSLY STUPID laws.

    3. Re:Unisys! Ah, the memories.... by typical · · Score: 1

      See, here's the thing. Had Unisys made people aware that GIF compression was patented early on, nobody would have used the thing. They had to let people form an incorrect impression to make money.

      That might even be the American Way, but if so, that mere fact isn't enough to make me endorse it.

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    4. Re:Unisys! Ah, the memories.... by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      The Unisys LZW patent was available to the public, and Unisys was enforcing the patent in other areas (e.g., communications) prior to the creation of the GIF format.

      CompuServe simply dropped the ball by using LZW compression in their GIF image specification.

      Unisys acted like a bunch of jerks after the fact, but they didn't start the fire. CIS did.

      Some supporting information

      Disclaimer: I worked for Unisys for 4.5 years in the late 80's and early 90's, and I also knew a number of friends and acquaintances who were active in the shareware community (as I was on RIME and Fido) when the GIF controversy broke, so I may have a bias in either direction (or both ).

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  10. Ohh gooodie! a late Christmas Present! by Bananatree3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    [singing]

    Santa baby, slip a sable under the tree, for me

    I've been an awful good girl

    Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight

    Santa baby, an out-of-space convertible too, light blue

    I'll wait up for you dear

    Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight

    Think of all the fun I've missed

    Think of all the fellas that I haven't kissed

    Next year I could be oh so good

    If you'd check off my Christmas list

    Boo doo bee doo

    Santa honey, I wanna yacht and really that's

    Not a lot

    I've been an angel all year

    Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight

    Santa cutie, there's one thing I really do need, the deed

    To a platinum mine

    Santa cutie, and hurry down the chimney tonight

    Santa baby, I'm filling my stocking with a duplex, and checks

    Sign your 'X' on the line

    Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight

    Come and trim my Christmas tree

    With some decorations bought at Tiffany's

    I really do believe in you

    Let's see if you believe in me

    Boo doo bee doo

    Santa baby, forgot to mention one little thing, a ring

    I don't mean a phone

    Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight

    Hurry down the chimney tonight

    Hurry down the chimney tonight [/singing]

  11. pardon me?-Drafty-dodger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They don't have to make things much safer, they only have to make people feel that things are much safer now."

    The Emperor has no clothes...and he just bought $750 Million of Viagra.

  12. I wonder by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Funny
    the Department of Homeland Security awarded the Blue Bell firm a "bridge" contract worth up to $750 million

    Does this "bridge" contract involve the sale of a bridge somewhere in New York City to someone?

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  13. Hell of an ROI by cprincipe · · Score: 2, Insightful
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  14. Cronyism is the end result of democracy by dada21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When 3 people give up rights to 1 person, it is pretty easy control. When we have just 800 nationally elected officials handling the rights of 300 million, what do you expect? That is 375,000:1 ratio or so (counting underage too).

    Here's the root of the problem: abuse of Constitutional authorized power combined with what is NOT voter apathy but citizen time value. A billion dollars is only $1 per day per citizen: you and I are not going to fight tooth and nail to get rid of a billion dollar contract. Yet a small group of 5 CxO's from Unisys will. Money is not the problem, the corrupt political structure of the federal government is.

    Voting is not going to change the structure: those 5 CxO's will happily work with whoever is in power. We've already given UP those powers, there is no taken them back.

    If you want to see changes, do it with your life as I did. Take your money out of the stock market and 401Ks and put it into your own business or local businesses you have control of (and actually profit from!). Take your money out of the bank and pay off all your debt -- whatever is left over is perfectly safe in gold or silver. Talk to your employer and see if you can become a contractor and find ways to write-off as much as possible under the tax code. Don't take loans, don't have a credit card, don't be concerned with social security and medicare. You can do it on your own, and you can stop supporting the monsters in office.

    Unisys is not the bad guy here: they are taking advantage of the system the voters put in place.

    1. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Unisys is not the bad guy here: they are taking advantage of the system the voters put in place."

      In the same sense that the guy putting a brick through your window and robbing you blind isn't the bad guy, he's just taking advantage of your inadequate security measures.

      Don't kid yourself sir, Unisys, the guys who cut my paycheque every month, are indeed a bunch of bad guys.

    2. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I agree with you based on principal: anyone who takes advantage of bad laws is evil -- but that still doesn't end the debate of those who support the "will of the majority." Remember, it is the majority who is OK with Congress and their all-encompassing powers.

    3. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one Beavis.

      Um, where do you live? I want to come help you take your money out of the bank, also. I will help you stop those monsters from using it for no good. Um, come to Santa Butthead.

      -- Santa Butthead

    4. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by kfg · · Score: 1

      I do find it convenient to keep a little money in the bank and a single, low limit credit card for dealing with things like ordering out of print books through Amazon or getting a motel room. Just don't carry debt. A man who owns himself is rich.

      And learn some skills that allow you to care of yourself. Spinning, weaving and knitting are a good start and rather meditative.

      KFG

    5. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by demigod · · Score: 1
      A billion dollars is only $1 per day per citizen

      I think you hit the nail on the head there.

      The US is just to big. That makes the dollar figures so large that even a little graft is worth a fortune.

      It seem to me that the countries that do a really good job are between 2 and 3 million in population. If only we could go back to a loose collection of states (and split a few of the big states).

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    6. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Considering the Constitution provides for a tiny central government (mostly to make sure that the states don't trample on the freedoms we're all born with, and to provide for a central defense but only if the country is attacked). Lincoln the Tyrant was the first of 3 traitors who worked very hard to turn the country into a mockery of freedom.

      While I am anti-State entirely, I can definitely agree that a coalition of independent states that compete with one another would be far better than what we're living under now.

    7. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just an FYI, you're off by about 2 orders of magnitude.

      $1 billion is under 1 cent/day per person. (yes, you can easily find that much on the ground).

      1 billion/300 million/365 days/year = $0.82c/person/day

      $1 Billion is nothing for a country like the US.

    8. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Whoops! You're right. This makes my point even MORE important.

      If I told you I could save you 50 cents a year, but I just need you to spend a few hours calling your representative, would you? Probably not.

      If I told you I could earn you US$150,000,000 a year and all you need to do is give about 40% of that back to lobbyists, would you?

      This perspective is really important when you realize that it isn't the money that is corrupt, it is the Congress that is abusing the Constitutionally limited powers they're supposed to have.

    9. Re:Cronyism is the end result of democracy by demigod · · Score: 1
      I can definitely agree that a coalition of independent states that compete with one another would be far better than what we're living under now.

      Wouldn't it be better if it was a coalition of independent states that work together?

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  15. Unisys custom edition by game+kid · · Score: 0

    [singing]
    Uni baby, build some machines for the country; you see,

    We've got some awful PCs

    Uni baby, and deploy down the office tonight

    Uni baby, an out-of-space USB drive too, light blue

    I'll wait up for you dear

    Uni baby, and...

    --oh, fuck it... help?!? I don't even know (or care--they patented GIFs, so I don't like 'em so much) if Unisys does what my remix says they do, and it sounds like crap anyhow. I see why you stuck to the basics.

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  16. bleh by game+kid · · Score: 1

    I don't want to know about the Verrazano-Unisys Bridge. Don't even think about the George Unisys Bridge either.

    (I might think about the GIF Bronx Expressway though, if it reduces the traffic.)

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  17. overbilled? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    Don't these people know how hard it is to boot Windows on an AN/UYK-7(v)?
    We should be in awe of Unisys, not arguing over who billed who.

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  18. Overbill ?! of course !! by Gates82 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I work for Unisys, worst job I have ever had. I was working for IBM. IBM lost the service contract and I ended up working for Unisys.

    Unisys is one of the most unethical companies I have done business with. What can you expect though, our major contract is with Dell. So Dell is awarded a contract and then Unisys fullfills the service end of that agreement. So not only do I work for an awful company I get to deal with crappy Dell hardware, and a Dell Helpless desk (as the customers on my site have come to call them).

    It is no surprise that Unisys overbilled the TSA. We are constantly told to put time on both our tickets and another accounting method. In effect this often double bills our customer or increases the time that we put on calls. In an eight hour day I have often done 15-20 hours worth of work. I often work reimaging one or two systems an complete other calls, but on a busy day a may really only perform 10-12 hours worth of work in 8 hours.

    I am currently looking for a new job. I try to be as honest as I can and still follow this screwed up system. Although when a company chooses the lowest bidder they do get what they pay for. And the Dells and Unisyses of the industry are going to make the profit margin by cheating their customers. It's a good thing I like the company that I support.

    If anyone has a desktop position open in Phoenix, AZ check out my resume

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    1. Re:Overbill ?! of course !! by ztransform · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, I looked at your resume, and may I offer you some helpful hints. 1. What did you do at university for a year before you moved to a different uni to study civil engineering? 2. Do you think adding your religious affiliations will assist you in landing a job? 3. Whilst you may have an ethical issue with Unisys (I have ethical issues with several companies myself) it probably isn't wise to be broadcasting your distaste with a company while working there AND hoping someone reads your CV. The question any employer will ask is "will you diss our company while working for us?".. better that you quit in clear conscious and then look for a new job. 4. Is six sigma white belt going to mean anything..? Perhaps eliminate from your CV all those things you started and didn't get more than 25% of the way through (such as six sigma training, a year at uni).. leaving those things in will not inspire an employer who would want you to be completing what you start.

    2. Re:Overbill ?! of course !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are KIDDING right?
      You realize that Human resource background checking and data mining will be able to link up your "slashdot posts" with yourself, either by citing your identity (as you plain did), but also by your email address, web address... or even IP address.

      It used to be a 'tin foil' thing, but don't think for a moment that HSA does not have logs of IPs and posts at slashdot or anything else for that matter. There is a real bottleneck in checking someone's Internet activity, but if they target someone's name for security background checks it'll show. We don't even need to get tin foil with carnivore... the ISPs routinely turn over web logs without warrants or even asking for an association with someone's DHCP address.

      Just keep your head down and work, and pay your taxes (unless you can get away with something). You don't even want to register your party affiliation unless it is either GOP or Independent. It's not wise to be noticed if you want any of these high paying jobs that are not being outsourced.

  19. pardon me?-Money Bags. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Now be a good boy, take off your shoes, drop your pants and spread your checks, for your own safety."

    Well OK big boy. I hope you have a long bank statement.

    1. Re:pardon me?-Money Bags. by kfg · · Score: 1

      Yeeeeah, I knew you'd be along sooner or later. I've really gotta think about trading in my nervous system for a new model.

      KFG

  20. Their Clearpath (mainframe) servers are nice, IMO. by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 2

    They come in two flavors, the OS2200 line (which is the descendant of the Sperry UNIVAC 1100-series), and the MCP line (which is the descendant of the Burroughs B-series and A-series). Nice boxes for those who need that kind of high-end legacy technology (airlines, banks, insurance companies, etc.).

    --
    Mainframe/UNIX Bit Twiddler and long time Windows/Linux Hobbyist.
    The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
  21. Cronyism is the end result of any social system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  22. Unisys - Top-Ranked Google Search by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Just for grins, I searched Google Groups for "Unisys". Here's the top-ranked post (angle brackets edited to correct html confusion, but otherwise verbatim):

    1. Bill B
            Nov 8 1996, 3:00 am hide options
    Newsgroups: comp.sys.unisys
    From: Bill B (b...@prolog.net) - Find messages by this author
    Date: 1996/11/08
    Subject: Unisys/Arete 1200 ???
    Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse

    I have a Unisys / Arete 1200 and I'm not sure what I am going to do with
    it. I connected a Wyse treminal and it seems to work, but I have no Info
    about the machine, any help would be nice. Here is what is inside,
      2) CPU32 boards.
      2) 2/8 MB Mem Boards.
      1) DMC Board.
      2) HSDT/IOCP Boards.
      1) GC/IOCP Board.
      1) MAC Board.
      2) Fujitsu HDs, 168mbs ea.
      1) Tape drive.

    If anyone has any info or would like any or all of this computer here is my
    Email
    b...@ptdprolog.net
    Thanks, Bill

    2. Thomas Wyckoff
            Nov 11 1996, 3:00 am hide options
    Newsgroups: comp.sys.unisys
    From: Thomas Wyckoff - Find messages by this author
    Date: 1996/11/11
    Subject: Re: Unisys/Arete 1200 ???
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    That's a pretty nice system from the late '80s. You have 2 CPU's with
    68030's, some memory (you'll have to pop out the boards. If they're full
    they're 8 megs each). The DMC is the memory controller, the HPIO is the
    tape and disk controller. The GCPIO board(s) are the terminal
    controllers, 8 terms per board. The MAC card is a frame that lets you
    use multi-bus boards in the Arete (ARIX now) system. It might have an
    ethernet or x.25 card in it. The 168 meg disks will cost more than a new
    Buick to replace if they go. The Army still has a lot of these systems,
    and I still get to work on one once in a while. Tom Wyckoff

    --
    - The Kessel run is for nerf herders. I can circumnavigate the entire Central Finite Curve in a lot less than 12 parse
  23. Not a problem by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

    Hey, what's

    as much as 171,000 hours of labor and overtime

    between friends?

  24. Overbill ?! of course !!-Zen hunting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "If anyone has a desktop position open in Phoenix, AZ check out my resume"

    Interesting. Recommended reading.


    ZEN and the art of making a living by Laurence G. Boldt


    "I am currently looking for a new job. I try to be as honest as I can and still follow this screwed up system."

    A Business Tale: A Story of Ethics, Choices, Success and a Very Large Rabbit

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  25. Idiot by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want to see changes, do it with your life as I did. Take your money out of the stock market and 401KsIf you are stupid enough to follow his advice you deserve what you get. While I agree that social security and medicare will not be there for me (I am 23) despite the fact I pay into these programs, not having investments for your future beyond retirement is idiotic. Gold is not the answer. If you don't trust stocks, invest your 401k's in bonds (and lose out on returns... but have the warm fuzzies knowing you didn't take a risk). I have my finances worked out such that I will be able to retire early and live off the interest, minus inflation - leaving an estate to donate as I see fit and money to pass on to my children when I feel they are ready upon my death.

    (and actually profit from!).I profited well off of my 401k's and stocks. The lifetime trend of the stock market is about 9% a year. (8 years to double your money on an across-the-board distribution, better if you invest wisely.) You can't do much better than that. Small companies are hit and miss. Hit and do a lot better, miss and lose it all. (Not to mention harder to get your money out if an emergency comes up)

    Talk to your employer and see if you can become a contractor and find ways to write-off as much as possible under the tax code.

    Learn the tax code - there are a lot of things you can do to write off taxes without being a contractor if that isn't an option.

    -everphilski-

    1. Re:Idiot by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you are stupid enough to follow his advice you deserve what you get.

      Correct. True wealth without initiating force against anyone else.

      not having investments for your future beyond retirement is idiotic.

      I have investments and I recommend everyone invest in their own businesses or the businesses of those they know and trust. My investments make between 20% and 50% a year on average -- as a profit payment (dividend). I still have growing equity above and beyond.

      If you don't trust stocks, invest your 401k's in bonds (and lose out on returns... but have the warm fuzzies knowing you didn't take a risk).

      Bonds have never kept up with the true cost of living increase. Prices go up because of currency inflation by the central banks -- in a free market prices go down because the money supply is fixed. I would never invest in bonds, they're the true suckers' investment.

      I have my finances worked out such that I will be able to retire early and live off the interest, minus inflation - leaving an estate to donate as I see fit and money to pass on to my children when I feel they are ready upon my death.

      If you trust the government to keep the dollar solid. I don't. If I'm wrong, the worst that happens is what? My gold is worthless? I don't see that happening, as gold has been relatively stable for thousands of years. If you're wrong, what can happen? Massive debt, worthless stocks and no savings.

      I profited well off of my 401k's and stocks. The lifetime trend of the stock market is about 9% a year.

      No, you don't. You profit off of buying a stock at a sucker's price, never earning a dividend (which is true profit of the company) and hoping you can sell it off to some sucker at a higher sucker's price. Even factoring in the money you're "profiting" in, you're barely keeping up with true consumer inflation! 9% annually? The Federal Reserve is currently printing 10-15% inflationary dollars annually, which will eventually cause prices to rise by that figure once the dollars return to the common market. My investments in local businesses offer me a TRUE profit plus the increase in share prices. Your investments offer you no dividend, right?

      You can't do much better than that. Small companies are hit and miss. Hit and do a lot better, miss and lose it all. (Not to mention harder to get your money out if an emergency comes up)

      I lose on 1 out of 10 companies, usually my entire investment. On the 9 out of 10 that don't fail, I make 20-50% annually. I double my money as a profit in 2-4 years, and I still own the company. Even factoring in the 100% loss on the failed investments, I double my money in approximately 5.5 years and I still retain control. Anyone can do this, and it doesn't require a stock broker who is making money on you if you win or if you lose.

      On top of all that, the stock market is experiencing what the Austrians have been talking about for 2 decades: an increased valuation due to the easy credit and currency counterfeiting of the central bank. Greenspan prints new money and sends it out at 1-4% interest. The lemmings get this money as increased wages and easy loans. The lemming sees this money at 4% can make him 9% in the market, so he invests there. Millions of other lemmings do the same, causing a supply shortage based on the increased demand that the Federal Reserve created -- causing the stock prices to go up. Artificial price increase.

      Then the market crashes, so the Board drops interest rates lower and counterfeits more new money (legally). This gives the lemmings even more money at a lower interest rate, and what do they see now? Houses are going up 10% annually! Said lemmings then invest in the housing markets, hoping to be the "flip it!" millionaire by 40. Except houses are depreciating assets, just like cars and clothes and food. Houses need maintenance, new houses replace old ones -- houses go down in price in a free market. Why did our hous

    2. Re:Idiot by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      > Here's a clue: real wealth comes from real savings.
      > Federal manipulation of currency inflation and interest rates makes dollar savings worthless.
      > Savings of any form in the US dollar will get you exactly that. No worth.

      While I'd say your investment in gold is a bit risky - it seems like gold-prices have been rising continously for almost 6 years now (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000081&s id=au0kxz2v7Sm8), but gold can de-valuate quickly and then nobody wants to buy it - I'd also not underestimate the dangers of money-inflation.
      One way to get rid of a giant budget-deficit is to just "inflationate" it away...

      So, the strategy is not totally "looney", just not mainstream ;-)

      --
      Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
    3. Re:Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Aerospace engineer. Missile systems.

      So in other words, you're part of the problem.

    4. Re:Idiot by khallow · · Score: 1
      If you trust the government to keep the dollar solid. I don't. If I'm wrong, the worst that happens is what? My gold is worthless? I don't see that happening, as gold has been relatively stable for thousands of years. If you're wrong, what can happen? Massive debt, worthless stocks and no savings.

      If you want an investment that's been around for a while, try the trio of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats. That's been a good investment every since life began.

    5. Re:Idiot by yukonc · · Score: 1

      Just invest in Gold so the price of your gold goes up and you hate the goverment, we understand that now (and from all the other posts).

      Reading your makes me feel like I am at some sort of Dale Carnegie training class. This post is about the wonders (and ridiculousness) of Unisys and government contracts, if you please...

    6. Re:Idiot by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 1

      An interesting analysis, but I'm not sure I agree with your lack of faith in currency markets. Oh, the US dollar is going to have problems, I have no doubt, and gold is a decent place to park your wealth, but a lot of the problems with the dollar are already priced in.

      Greenspan prints new money and sends it out at 1-4% interest. The lemmings get this money as increased wages and easy loans. The lemming sees this money at 4% can make him 9% in the market, so he invests there. Millions of other lemmings do the same, causing a supply shortage based on the increased demand that the Federal Reserve created -- causing the stock prices to go up. Artificial price increase.

      In the late 1990's bubble period, I would agree, however now I believe most of the increase is generally due to institutional investment (pensions, some mutual, etc.)...

      Houses are going up 10% annually! Said lemmings then invest in the housing markets, hoping to be the "flip it!" millionaire by 40. Except houses are depreciating assets, just like cars and clothes and food. Houses need maintenance, new houses replace old ones -- houses go down in price in a free market. Why did our houses go up? Easy credit combined with ridiculously low interest rates.

      People were burned in the 1980's by the house market collapsing... If they didn't learn then....

      Gold and silver are true stores of wealth above and beyond bank accounts -- I can easily liquidate gold in an emergency, but when it comes to impulse buying, I don't do it. In order for me to make an impulse purchase I have to take the step to sell my gold (every town has a pawn shop that offers up to 98% spot for gold), and by the time I care to cash in my wealth store, the impulse is over.

      But this is akin to the old arguments that a floating currency is bad, and we should return to the gold standard --it's a debate on what bedrock of faith the market resides upon -- faith on the system itself vs. desire for shiny objects. The main argument for currency is its liquid nature vs. gold, but as you say, if you don't really need liquidity, more power to ya....

      --
      -Stu
    7. Re:Idiot by everphilski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you trust the government to keep the dollar solid. I don't. If I'm wrong, the worst that happens is what? My gold is worthless? I don't see that happening, as gold has been relatively stable for thousands of years. If you're wrong, what can happen? Massive debt, worthless stocks and no savings

      You can invest internationally on a 401k. Its called diversification. My 401k did better than 9% and I sleep very well at night. Some of my funds did 40+% last year.

      Sure, if you want to earn $15-$25 per hour. Even the worst contractor can charge $80+ per hour.

      (Not an option in my industry, but anywayas...) My first job fresh out of college I was making $25.00 an hour. With about the best benefits you can find. I'm not sure $80 an hour could make up for those benefits. Not to mention my employer matching my 401k contributions, profit sharing and safe harbor contributions... we are talking 7.5-10k a year right there in tax-free "free" money you would not have as a contractor. Its not dollars you make per hour, its how much money I have in investments when I retire. And retire young. I don't plan having to work past 50. If I work past 50, I'm working because I want to, not because I have to. And in the mean time, I am living modestly but I have about the best benefits a guy and his wife and kids could ask for. Which is money in the bank cause when my son gets sick I take him to the hospital without thinking twice. $20 copay? Who cares. Its pretax anyway with the company cafateria plan.

      Gold is a poor investment, but then again you already have a few slashbots telling you that. Anything more than a couple percent in gold is just too much.

      -everphilski-

    8. Re:Idiot by RosenSama · · Score: 1

      Where can I send $19.95 + S&H for a copy of this sure-fire get-rich plan?

    9. Re:Idiot by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Forget about plastics, the one word you need to remember is "cheeseburger".

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      -
    10. Re:Idiot by DocLandolt · · Score: 1

      Except houses are depreciating assets, just like cars and clothes and food.

      Houses are indeed depreciating assets. Land on the other hand...

      To quote the late, great Sam Clements..."Buy land, they're not making any more of it."

      And that statement is as true today as it was a century ago. Just look around the 'burbs -- you'll see. While your post is a bit over the top, my useless degree in finance gives me just enough understanding of market dynamics to know you're mostly right. However, so long as we have a government willing to take your land just as soon as they'd take your gold, I'm sorry to inform you -- there IS no safe investment.

    11. Re:Idiot by ediron2 · · Score: 1
      Forget about plastics, the one word you need to remember is "cheeseburger".
      I had the unpleasant experience of eating a cheeseburger happy meal yesterday. Based on that reintroduction to them, I am quite certain the cheese was plastic, and I think maybe the meat was, too.
    12. Re:Idiot by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      If the dollar is so worthless that gold is your only option - you'll have worse things to worry about than how to pay for stuff.

      You'll have to worry about the bullets flying through your walls from the shooting from the urban warfare that will result when society collapses.

      If you're that worried, get lots of non-perishable food and bulletproof your walls.

      --
      Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
    13. Re:Idiot by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Some of my funds did 40+% last year.

      That's great. Considering the annual rate of currency devaluation by all the central banks, 40% is a great profit. Hope it stays that way, especially with fuel and energy costs skyrocketing again.

      Which is money in the bank cause when my son gets sick I take him to the hospital without thinking twice. $20 copay? Who cares.

      It is thinking like this that makes medical bills so high and insurance premiums so high. Insurance was meant for emeregencies, not to pay your doctor's bills for basic illnesses. My insurance premiums are super low because I never file a claim or use a copay or take "advantage" of prescription drug benefits. I pay cash, up front, before service, and get a huge discount from all my doctors and dentists. You pay a $20 copay, the insurance company pays $150, eventually. I pay $50 cash up front and don't worry about high premiums. If I should have a real emergency (thousands and thousands of dollars) I'll file a claim.

      Gold is a poor investment, but then again you already have a few slashbots telling you that. Anything more than a couple percent in gold is just too much.

      Gold is NOT an investment. If gold goes up against the dollar, it means that the dollar is going down. I'd like to see gold stabilize so I know my savings is solid. For a return, I'd invest locally as I previously said, and have full control of the business.

      If you're interested in a long term bet, I'll bet you 2 ounces of gold that your stocks in 5 years have declined majorly and your retirement programs will fall so hard you'll have to work an extra 15-20 years. 2 ounces of gold -- want to risk it? I made the same bet 5 years ago and won big, I'll be happy to continue to make this bet every 5 years as the next run of "suckers" puts their money into the new big stock and believes they'll be millionaires in 20 years. They will be, but a millionaire inflated dollars will be worth a quarter of its previous value.

    14. Re:Idiot by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Considering the annual rate of currency devaluation by all the central banks

      you dont invest in currency!!!! you invest in companies. the STOCK market. Small cap. Large cap. Foreign markets. Currency devaluation is irrelevant. It only matters to you because it gives you the warm fuzzies about owning gold.

      If you're interested in a long term bet, I'll bet you 2 ounces of gold that your stocks in 5 years have declined majorly and your retirement programs will fall so hard you'll have to work an extra 15-20 years.

      1. I don't buy gold for the same reason I don't buy bonds - the ROI (return on investment) is too low. I'm 23. I have at least 50 years ahead of me, barring an act of God. I invest at a higher risk level and reap the long-term rewards. Yes, there might be *a* year I lose money. You have to keep your long-term (20-40 year) perspective.

      2. 5 years? Yes, the market can see *a* decline over a 5 year period. You are looking at too short of a time period for a high risk fund. Declined majorly for the entire 5 year period? Bullshit.

      3. 5 years is NOT a long term ANYTHING when it comes to investing.

      4. 2 ounces? thats what, over $1000. Sorry. Thats more than my mortgage payment. I got kids to put through college (I invest for that too). I don't have to bet you. But you can watch the stock market and rest assured that I'm a smart investor. Its not that hard. Learn a few basic principles about the time value of money and find a financial advisor you can trust. If you work for a good company you can often get it for free. If you have an insurance policy through a reputable company that does investments, they will also often do it for free. Its not magic, folks.

      Insurance was meant for emeregencies, not to pay your doctor's bills for basic illnesses.

      No, it is there for everything, if you have a good company like Blue Cross, Blue Shield. Thats the whole point of a deductible. If you are only going to use it for a major emergency, have a high deductible. I happen to have a nice employer who has given me insurance with comparably low deductible. Its a good thing. When you go in for a routine illness you otherwise would not have gone in for, and you find out its something a whole lot worse...

      You pay a $20 copay, the insurance company pays $150

      I pay $20, insurance company pays $25. Total of $45. You pay $50. Whose the sucker?

      -everphilski-

    15. Re:Idiot by khallow · · Score: 1

      Cheeseburger inflation is not a pretty thing. Remember that happy meals are "fiat food". Your kids start whining if they don't get happy meal toys.

  26. Say it ain't so! by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    "the company had possibly overbilled the Transportation Security Administration by as much as 171,000 hours of labor and overtime."

    But they have the way out!

  27. Is it really a suprise DHS chose Unisys? by Hobart · · Score: 1
    After all, Unisys is the company that sells the Master Control Program...
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  28. Re:I feel your pain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I'm not keen enough to log in and post on this story ;)

    I work for one of their international offices, it's somewhat interesting to note that they're just as corrupt in the good old U-S-of-A as well.

  29. Oopsie! by grcumb · · Score: 1

    "...the company had possibly overbilled the Transportation Security Administration by as much as 171,000 hours of labor and overtime."

    Uh-oh.

    Look, I don't really know how to tell you this, but those 171,000 hours? That's... uh, well, that'd be my fault. Back in '99, somebody asked me to get Windows ME running stable, and I haven't left my desk since.

    Sorry. Should be done any day now.

    --
    Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
  30. Banned from Federal Contracting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Shouldn't a company properly investigated and found to overbill the US federal government be prevented from all federal contracts for a reasonable period of time such as 10 years?

  31. Re:Their Clearpath (mainframe) servers are nice, I by Huh? · · Score: 1

    Everytime I've seen a clearpath, it's been running as a VM inside of Windows 2000 on rebranded Dell x86 servers.

  32. wink wink nudge nudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And a hearty skull and bones set of secret handshakes all around. How about companies like DynCorps (Mercenaries R Us) who have been caught involved in human slavery, kidnapping and selling women? They still get lucrative government contracts. How about Haliburton doing business with Iran, while the US is officially boycotting them? Same old same old with revolving door government/corporation/government "officers" and "workers" and the "good ole boy" network. The only rules or laws that apply to them are "make money however you can" and "try not to get caught, and if you do, don't worry, if you are big enough, nothing happens anyway".

    The only good thing about it is all corrupt empires eventually fall. History proves this, over and over. The bad thing is it sucks if you are there when it happens.

    If they were to "ban" high level corporations who have been caught ripping off the tax payer and engaging in unethical and illegal behavior, they would have to ban virtually every big corporation that does business with the government, including all the big "Homeland Security" defense contractors. All of them, no exceptions that I am aware of. Take your pick, from lockheed to EDS, and etc, right down the list, all have been busted at one time or another. They get a fine that is basically nothing, that they recoup right back with the next big skim contract.

    1. Re:wink wink nudge nudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, there's a shit pot full of honest people, working for the feds in one way or another -- ENRON, BushCo, Unisys, whatever. Corruption falls upward. The worker bees are just regular people.

    2. Re:wink wink nudge nudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Ordinary honest people whose taxes go to support the robbers at the top, like Dick "Turpin" Cheney.

      USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

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      Hello Bush, Blair, CIA, FBI, MI5, MI6. keywords: bomb, kill, terror, oil, falafel

  33. Can you smell a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is ment to be a parody, mods. Do I need to explain what a parody is?

  34. Abramoff behind all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://www.google.com/search?q=unisys+abramoff


    Seems they fraud-riddled two have a pretty tight relationship...

  35. Just FYI by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gold is a lousy investment. Don't let the receant upswing fool you, unless this defies history, it's only temporary. Gold has been right around $400 an ounce for over two decades. Well, $400 bought you a whole lot more in 1980 than it does now. It flucuates up and down, of course, it's been as low as $264 and as high as $900, but only temporarily. Actually, if you discount the peak in 1980 it's never gone for above $650 which was in 1981.

    So while it's something you can make money on trading in the short term, like any commodity, holding it in the long terms seems to be a bust. Had you bought in 1985, your gold would be worth maybe $100 more per ounce in absolute terms, but in relitive dollars it'd be worth less due to inflation.

    It's a fairly stable medium, in that it's unlikely to ever truly crash and devalue totally, but you can find things nearly as certian that will at least keep up with inflation.

    1. Re:Just FYI by dada21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gold is a lousy investment.

      Just FYI, gold is not an investment. Gold is a store of wealth, a currency, a money. I would never tell you to buy dollars as an investment, why would you think I meant gold is an investment? Gold is merely the same thing as a bank, except it isn't manipulated like the banking cartels are, and it isn't controlled by fiat as the dollar is.

      Don't let the receant upswing fool you, unless this defies history, it's only temporary.

      Historically, gold as been the only store of wealth that has survived every empire, every currency. Gold has held its value for hundreds of years (thousands possibly). When gold had swings was usually when gold was found in mass quantity (5 times in all of history) and when governments manipulated gold (1913, 1931, and 1974). Since 1974, gold has felt some central bank manipulations (the Bank of England was a big one). As gold has entered the hands of private holders, central banks are less likely to manipulate it. Nonetheless, my blog covers the daily manipulations by mines, central banks and investment houses.

      I feel gold has an equilibrium against the dollar of between US$1200 and US$1800 right now. As Greenspan (and soon Bernanke) continues to inflate the dollar, this value will go up. It won't go up (and may temporarily go down with further profit taking) without faith in the dollar collapsing -- which may never happen.

      It flucuates up and down, of course, it's been as low as $264 and as high as $900, but only temporarily. Actually, if you discount the peak in 1980 it's never gone for above $650 which was in 1981

      All correct. The US$264 minimum happened when two central banks dumped gold -- a great increase in supply will always show a great decrease in price. The US$900 price swing was due to investor stupidity, IMO. Just like the stock market sees bubbles created by excess dollars chasing stocks stupidly, the peak was not meant to be at that time. I do believe that we'll see gold hit US$600 this year, but I also believe we'll see it drop to the upper US$460s late February or early March. I am really bugged that investors are buying gold, disturbing the proper supply and demand as we'd see from industrial uses and the monetizing of gold.

      Had you bought in 1985, your gold would be worth maybe $100 more per ounce in absolute terms, but in relitive dollars it'd be worth less due to inflation.

      Bingo. Gold is a store of wealth. Inflation only happens because of currency counterfeiting done (legally) by central banks. In a free market with an open currency standard (anything is currency, basically), you see deflation over time. More people = more productivity = more products = lower prices. Houses fall apart, prices fall. Cars fall apart, prices fall. Except in rare circumstances (such as limited resources, of which the earth has seen few true shortages), prices fall. Involve a central bank counterfeiting our money weekly, and you see prices rise against the fiat currency.

      It's a fairly stable medium, in that it's unlikely to ever truly crash and devalue totally, but you can find things nearly as certian that will at least keep up with inflation.

      An inflation created by those who control the dollar.

      GOLD IS NOT AN INVESTMENT. It is a safe version of the bank. To invest, I buy or invest in local businesses (including my own). I make a great return on my investment. When I have extra money, I buy gold and silver, or I increase the amount of land I own (except where the land is overvalued). If the housing bubble bursts, I'll purchase a home when I see a stable pricing market. I will never buy big houses when housing prices are on a rise.

    2. Re:Just FYI by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      I lose on 1 out of 10 companies, usually my entire investment. On the 9 out of 10 that don't fail, I make 20-50% annually. I double my money as a profit in 2-4 years, and I still own the company. Even factoring in the 100% loss on the failed investments, I double my money in approximately 5.5 years and I still retain control. Anyone can do this, and it doesn't require a stock broker who is making money on you if you win or if you lose. (emphasis added)


      THIS is where your entire argument falls apart. The fact is that you are not a representative member of the general population. Heck, I'm not exactly an idiot (top 1 or 2 percent on every standardized test that I've ever taken) and I can guarantee you that I would never be able to duplicate your performance in picking businesses (local or otherwise) to invest in. It's just not an area that I have a feel for, even after spending years studying the market. Off the top of my head, the more spectacular misses that I've made:

      Cisco
      Microsoft
      IBM
      RedHat

      While I will stipulate that most new wealth in this country comes from small businesses, the truth is that most people suck at running their own shop. The last numbers that I saw showed that 50% of all businesses in the US fail in the first 12 months. Another 20% or so fail in the next 6 or 12 months. If you have the right type of personality and the brains to do extremely well at it, I applaud you. You are are an exceptional individual in that regard.

      Most people choose to invest in 401Ks, mutual funds, and the like because they know that they don't have a clue as to how to choose good investments. They have to trust someone else to do it for them. At least their money is safer there than in a mattress. At least it's not depreciating quite so fast.
    3. Re:Just FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't foresee the tech downturn? I knew it was coming by '98, and I would never have invested in RHAT long-term. Their business model wasn't even remotely compelling and their market wasn't interesting-enough to maintain an inflation of the stock. By 2000 you should have been looking to short tech or have moved some of your investments into real estate. I made out big on tech, because it was obvious how much of a scam the entire thing was, and moved on to greener pastures with some of that spectacular ROI from tech.

      As for dada21, I have a difficult time believing his claims about the return he sees on small business ownership. He spends much too much time commenting on certain forums to do much actual work himself, meaning that if he owns a significant percentage of these businesses he doesn't exert much oversite. That's on top of the statistical unlikelihood of his proported successes. He also regurgitates too much Randian babble about gold as a value storage mechanism, which moves him straight into the kook department for me. There's too much "when the revolution comes" in his dogma. If the revolution ever comes, his small businesses will be be gone, and all he'll have left is the gold he stores under his bed. Good luck escaping the country with your assets stored in gold.

  36. The Difference Between Unisys And Enron Is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    that Unisys is still in business and Enron is bankrupt and it's officers in court.

    I know of one major city department where Unisys had a vested interest. After tens of years a funny thing happened: the officials responsible for contracting to Unisys quit and were rehired by Unisys. Tens of millions of city $$ were passed to Unisys under these peoples' control; now thousands flow from Unisys back to their paychecks -a small price to pay for such service.

    Unisys is shrewd - so shrewd that they shafted Microsoft - a rare pleasure indeed. E.g., Microsoft paid Unisys millions in the hopes that Unisys would hand over their multiprocessor technology. Unisys took the money and gave Microsoft the empty palm. I'm not sure that Microsoft even knows what happened today.

  37. Bermuda Offshore Triangle by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The DHS has been using UNISYS for some time now and, like may other possibly illegal lucrative operations recently, is NOT located in the United States. Instead, they are located on the Island of Bermuda, the Bahamas, They Cayman Islands, various other Carribean countries, even Mexico! Heck, I wonder if the Government is monitoring any phone calls coming from the 537 area code. (Hint: America blocks most websites from this CoUntry BecAuse of its free health care and education. To any of you slashdotters not in the United States, try mirroring some of that country's sites because I think at this point that country's government is way better than ours at this time.)

    Sometimes I think that we, the United States, are the terrorists. And I don't mean because of the secret tourture camps, or the violations of the 4th and 8th ammendments, but because of the adminstration that has become corrupt. We have seen this many times last year and is inexcusable. I have a good feeling that we, the People of the United States, will be storming the castle this year. Alot of hands are going to get caught in the cookie jar and we are going to make darn sure that if anyone skips down, they won't get as far as the airport even if it is in another country!

    KMFDM!

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  38. It's not a bug, it's a feature by hey! · · Score: 1

    At least if you're a big campaign donor with corporate conections.

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  39. What Financial Advice!! by Black-Man · · Score: 1

    Bonds are for suckers and Gold is "stable". Yo... idiot... look at the history of the price of an ounce of gold for christ's sake, esp. the last 30 years. And as far as commidity pricing being immune to corruption, look no further than the Bass' brothers play on the silver market in the early 80's.

    1. Re:What Financial Advice!! by ediron2 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was the Hunt brothers... Yup, google confirms (although it also confirms 477 cases of mistaken identity w/r/t bass brothers and silver market).

      Wow... not that the Bass Brothers aren't noteworthy.... according to UTWatch, the Bass Brothers are notorious for their lengthy ties to Bush Sr and GW Bush, attempts to whiten up the Yale classics curriculum, and for (!) adding alcohol and tobacco ads to state park flyers. Oh, and their bankrolling Harken at a key moment in GBush Sr's involvement there, and buying GWBush's shares 2 weeks before Harken stock crashed..

      After reading this, I'd say that if you're not happy with the President, blame Lee Bass for bankrolling him. And his daddy.

    2. Re:What Financial Advice!! by dada21 · · Score: 1

      The Hunt brothers fiasco was due entirely to people looking at silver as an investment, not as a store of wealth. They didn't corner the market, they cornered the investors and fooled them into chasing the next Big Thing. This is not what I do -- I research heavily the production manipulations, the central bank manipulations, the mining manipulations, the jeweler manipulations and the investor manipulations and figure out what I believe is a fair price based on the need and use of a metal.

      For me, metal pricing in the short run IS screwed up when it is a commodity investment, but it always corrects itself. The same is true with stocks, but stocks are rarely based on actually owning anything. Stocks rarely pay dividends and stocks rarely give you real control over what you are buying. Gold and silver are strong for me as I physically own them -- I don't buy paper. The Hunt brothers sold people paper, and that is part of the problem with today's gold market -- too many paper shares are trading hands again, but I blog about this daily when I see short term manipulations ahead (as I do now).

      I would never have bought all my gold in a 1 week period. I buy it as I need money, cost dollar averaging my worth over time. Anyone who jumps into anything all at once is destined to be doomed.

    3. Re:What Financial Advice!! by Black-Man · · Score: 1

      Oh really? Well... look at this chart on the price of gold over only the past TEN years.

      http://goldmoney.com/en/charts/usd120.png

  40. Unisys morale by typical · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, yes, Unisys is a big company, but unless there is one person posting over and over, they've got the worst goddamn employee morale that I have *ever* seen.

    I see something like twenty posts from Unisys and ex-Unisys employees here that are overwhelmingly negative about the company. I see only *one* that's remotely positive, and that's from a guy who says that he's so detached from Unisys that he barely knows who he's working for -- and *that's* what he considers good.

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    1. Re:Unisys morale by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      I know close to 100 former Unisys employees, and very few current ones. Layoffs have been a part of that company's corporate culture since Unisys was formed (via the takeove^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmerger of Sperry by^H^Hwith Burroughs), and many of the folks who are still there had better positions previously and are simply hanging on to whatever is available.

      My wife worked for a while on a Help Desk at Unisys (MACS/InfoHub in Eagan), and morale there was absolutely terrible because most of the folks there were overqualified for help desk work, but it beat being unemployed.

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  41. Unisys. Imagine it. Done. Now image it done right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had firsthand exp. with Unisys. I used to work for a company that had a contract with them. From what i've expirenced they work with other contract companies to get people in the door. Those people do worse than half-ass work and then Unisys overcharges for it. Worse yet some dumbass exec signed a contract to keep them for 3 years. Sure there was a "try out" period, during which they sucked real bad too. But rather than Mgmt admiting this was a mistake they said that it would take time to make it work. That's like hiring a guy who's willing to do plumbing, but has never done it. Hope they aren't like that everywhere.. i lied yes i do.

  42. Re:Their Clearpath (mainframe) servers are nice, I by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

    These are Unisys Clearpath servers:

        Picture #1
        Picture #2
        Clearpath Home Page
        Clearpath Dorado OS2200 Home
        Clearpath Dorado Specification Sheets
        Sample Spec Sheet
        Clearpath Libra MCP Home Page
        Clearpath Libra Specification Sheets
        Sample Spec Sheet

    Not much relationship to Dell boxes, I'm afraid.

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  43. Clearpath server sizes (69" tall, 1200 pounds). by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

    For the curious, the Clearpath Dorado (running a mixture of OS2200 and x86 processors) is 69" tall, 48" deep, 27" wide, and weighs 1200 lbs.

    The largest Clearpath Libra on the first spec sheet (running a mixure of MCP and x86 processors) is 69" tall, 43" deep, 27" wide, and 1160 lbs.

    Such CMOS mainframes are smaller than their predecesors, but they aren't desktop boxes.

    I'm curious what you've seen? Some sort of MCP emulator?

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    1. Re:Clearpath server sizes (69" tall, 1200 pounds). by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been working with Burroughs...uh sorry Unisys for about 25 years now (Ja mein kind, ich bin ein SilverBack) . The MCP is legacy stuff but is cold hard reliable tech that doesn't fall down.

      Anyhow. The old MCP used to run on a proprietary chip. The way-big-iron still does. For MCP shops that don't need that muscle but have a substantial software investment there is an emulator for the the chip that runs under M$ server flavor of the year.

      The B1900 was a very cool soft-machine. Based on the language the program it was running it would configure itself as that kind of a box. So if you had a FORTRAN program running it became a FORTRAN box, COBOL = COBOL box. Used to be an orange book that had all kinds of cool stuff innit about it. (Booted from a cassete tape, was always wise to reboot it when it got slow, memory fragmentation was a problem as I recall)

      Sorry...old pipples getz nostalgic...

  44. Re:Overbill - yeah, right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unisys has never invested enough in dubious attorneys and corrupt politicians to be any good at systematic overbilling and ethical abuses etc. Anyone who's been around the company long enough knows full well that it's usually Unisys that gets screwed.

    As for the time entry comment, it's most probable that the multiple companies involved require entry into different systems - the disservice to Mormon boy is probably only lack of training.

    Everyone has their own favorite worst job ever, but if anyone thinks that Unisys is the worst company they've worked for, they should count their lucky stars that they've never worked for a truly terrible company.

  45. Not any more by fizbin · · Score: 1

    The word from my Unisys contacts is that there has recently been a push from on high that all technical staff should start "learning more about Open Source technologies." Yes, the directive really is that vague.

    That being said, in many respects the company has committed itself hard to Microsoft technologies internally. Outlook/Exchange is the one and only email client and email server, Microsoft IM through Exchange is the only IM client, etc.

    But the "we have the way out" campaign is quietly realized inside the company as a mistake, and you won't find anyone internally these days who admits to being associated with it.

  46. Re:Unisys. Imagine it. Done. Now image it done rig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    current help desk employee at Unisys...
    the level of competency of my fellow help desk agents is shocking. i'd be giving a liberal estimate if I said 25% were actually capable of doing the job. training is BS or non-existant. management is half full of people who aren't up to or capable of the task at hand. i don't even want to get into how messed up our documentation and information tools are.

    DHS is getting ripped off. what do you expect? we all get paid $14/hr - if you're even Unisys employeed... that's right. a contracted company hires a lot of contractors to perform its contracted work! it's just plain ridiculous.

  47. Re:Their Clearpath (mainframe) servers are nice, I by Huh? · · Score: 1
  48. Re:Their Clearpath (mainframe) servers are nice, I by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

    Interesting. MCP running in an emulator on a PC. I could see that being potentially useful for development. Wish they had something similar for the 2200 side.

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