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Acting MA CIO Appointed, ODF A Go

Andy Updegrove writes "Massachusetts has appointed ITD COO Beth Pepoli as the acting CIO of the Commonwealth. At the same time, the Governor's Communications Director, Eric Fehrnstrom, has made the clearest statement yet that it is ODF that the new CIO will be implementing: 'There have been no changes in the commonwealth's published OpenDocument rules, and we are still on track for a January 2007 implementation.' We reported on the resignation of Peter Quinn in December.

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  1. acronym hell by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't RTFA, but FWIW, ODF was nearly FUBAR.

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    1. Re:acronym hell by munehiro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aw man... You just made me LOL and ROTFL :D...

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    2. Re:acronym hell by TWX · · Score: 0

      Too damn many TLAs, BFLAs, and EBFLAs...

      (Three Letter Acronyms, Bigger Four Letter Acronyms, and Even Bigger Five Letter Acronyms, for the uninitiated)

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    3. Re:acronym hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? 'Cause if it leaks to the VC he could end up MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP."

      Adrian Cronauer, on Vice President Nixon's upcoming press conference, Good Morning, Vietnam

    4. Re:acronym hell by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Yep. I FELAFL too like an LFNT.

    5. Re:acronym hell by Sierpinski · · Score: 1

      WTF, RTFA ASAP. AFAIK IANAL, but if the COO FUBARs the ODF, OCD VPs and CEOs will drop the GPL and get MCSEs.

      if(dead(horse)) { beat(horse); }
      fork();

      Couldn't help it.

    6. Re:acronym hell by ajs · · Score: 1

      Well, technically, most of those are initialisms, but that distinction has become rather cloudy over the years.

    7. Re:acronym hell by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      TGIF!

      Now, who wants to go get a BEER?

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  2. This just in! by jacobcaz · · Score: 2, Funny

    This just in; the BRG is MK in the PRTW while the outgoing CTA is now fully assumed to be BFPLF.

    1. Re:This just in! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP... shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT, 'cause if it leaks to the VC... he could end up an MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP.

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  3. Summary of What ODF is/means by acaben · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can someone provide a quick summary of what ODF means for MA, and a timeline of events that has led up to this story so far? I keep seeing it mentioned, and yet no one ever goes into detail about why it matters.

    1. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by diersing · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm, a casual observer point of view is MS Office doesn't follow OpenDocument formatting so by saying the state will comply with ODF, they are giving MS the finger.

    2. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Among other things, ODF allows everyone, not just paying members of a private club, to exchange, edit and read documents. It also will open up the choice of vendors supplying software who can support this format. I think groklaw has a time-line there.

    3. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You can find exhaustive coverage of the whole thing on Groklaw, naturally.

    4. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Doug+Coulter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Check out www.groklaw.net, which has been covering this and the M$ fud about it, as well as the SCO stuff. Basically, ODF is an open standard produced by a consortium of companies and released for public use with no patents, license fees or other encumberances. M$ could add support for it in a heartbeat (though it may not support all their bu...features) but is refusing to do so as that would place them in competition with the various other office suites that do support it -- and they might not win that one. After all, several of the suites that do support it are free as in free beer, as well as in free speech. M$ is responding that we should use their "open" (but not really) new xml format that they don't even support yet, and which has various legal problems for implementors. Peter Quinn, the CIO who used to have the job, quit because of an M$ funded witchhunt that got him a lot of bad publicity and negative attention. Of course, he was later found to be guiltless, but that little retraction only made it to page four, rather than page one where the accusations were made... See groklaw for more detail.

    5. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by fritsd · · Score: 3, Informative

      It has turned into a major political FUD-fest, but one of the more important details is IMHO that Microsoft *chose* not to support their customer (Massachusetts)'s wish to open and save files in OpenDocument format, and instead they questioned why their customer made such a silly decision and who did they think they were anyway. Read the articles on groklaw (http://www.groklaw.net/); most news you read about this will be biased one way or another, but groklaw always also has the bare facts. Disclaimer: I don't like MS and I like groklaw.

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    6. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Umm, a casual observer point of view is MS Office doesn't follow OpenDocument formatting so by saying the state will comply with ODF, they are giving MS the finger.

      An intelligent casual observer point of view is that a customer requested a better product, and their current supplier (instead of giving it to them) tried to get them fired. Imagine if McDonalds was supplying food for school lunches and the school asked for healthy food that met certain dietary requirements. You could well get a situation like this, where instead of supplying better food McDonalds went to talk to politicians over the school's head. The difference, of course, is that McDonalds is not a monopoly and actually does sell some healthy food. MS just wants to make sure everyone is stuck with whatever they supply forever, regardless of quality, cost, or legality.

    7. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Mr+Bill · · Score: 1
      Peter Quinn, the CIO who used to have the job, quit because of an M$ funded witchhunt that got him a lot of bad publicity and negative attention

      This is the kind of stuff that is making the crowd at Groklaw less and less useful to me. It used to be just about the facts. Now, all the facts are still presented (which is why I still visit), but it is usually wrapped up with some opinion based retoric where Microsoft is to blame for every bad thing that happens out in the world.

      Where are the facts that this was a Microsoft funded witchhunt? I'm not saying it isn't true, but since there is no proof that they did or didn't do this why even mention it. From what I have read, there was a nasty Boston Globe article (which was later proven to be inaccurate), and there are some politicians that are trying to pull rank by trying to block the ODF policy from going into effect. Sure Microsoft has been spouting lots of crap about ODF and praising the "openness" of their own XML formats, but I don't see proof of a witchhunt for Peter Quinn's head.

      Stick to the facts, that is what Groklaw is good at...

      And before I get called a shill, I started using Linux 12 years ago and have been using it as my only OS for over 6 years now.

    8. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Stick to the facts, that is what Groklaw is good at...

      They're not good at the facts either. They have a bad habit of bolstering their own biased opinions with selective representation of facts. The ODF case is a perfect example. I could easily make a factual case for staying with Microsoft Word for desktops and using PDF for the archive format (remember, this is all about the ARCHIVE format). However the way Groklaw represents the facts this is nothing less than the struggle between good and evil.

      That black and white mentality makes Groklaw next to useless for finding the truth, no matter how much they claim to stick to the facts, because you have to be impartial too. That's why science works - a scientist will ruefully document the facts that didn't support their hypothesis - and also exactly why Groklaw doesn't work. Groklaw editorials are too eager for the quick laughs and the cheerleading that inevitably follows than in finding the truth.

      And before I get called a shill, I started using Linux 12 years ago and have been using it as my only OS for over 6 years now.

      Similar story here; started using Linux 13 years ago and have been using it as my only OS since 12 years ago. However I am personally opposed to the MA ODF proposal. The problem is that they're claiming this is for archive purposes but they're actually going to roll an ODF word processor to the desktops as well. ODF is unproven technology and it was never designed as an archival format. PDF would have been a much better choice for an archival format.

      This decision in MA reeks of religion and there are many pros I work with - pro-Linux and also very professional - who are deeply opposed to this risky gamble with taxpayer's money. But you'll never hear those facts on Groklaw. That would go against the religion that dominates that site.

      NB: posting anonymously because the last time I wrote this opinion piece I got nasty (abusive) email from the high priestess herself.

    9. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      W00t! and I have been using Linux for over 20 years!!! Yeah friggen right @$$h0le...

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    10. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
      This decision in MA reeks of religion and there are many pros I work with - pro-Linux and also very professional - who are deeply opposed to this risky gamble with taxpayer's money. But you'll never hear those facts on Groklaw. That would go against the religion that dominates that site.

      Nice job!

    11. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by BigLonn · · Score: 1

      it means office 12 won't support the list of present file type/ structures lik doc files, and MS is of course going to make you pay to upgrade and the state of Mass looked at open office(aka its alot cheaper and reads all the afore mentioned files), then flip'd MS the finger.

  4. Bad Link by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who couldn't get to that "Reported on this before" link?

    1. Re:Bad Link by toleraen · · Score: 1

      404'd!

    2. Re:Bad Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too

    3. Re:Bad Link by Procrastin8er · · Score: 0

      Not working for me either. Nice, real nice...

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    4. Re:Bad Link by FreeBSD+evangelist · · Score: 1

      So, /. slashdotted themselves?

  5. Since when do states have CxOs? by Caspian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure I can't be the only one here who finds the continual blurring of lines between "state"/"country" and "corporation" a bit unnerving.

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    1. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Foofoobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, ODF is an attempt to maintain sovereignty and further separate state and corporation. By enforcinf the Open Document Format as the states choice, they guarantee that at any time in the future should older documents not work with current versions of software, that they as the state have the ability to modify existing open source code to ensure that older documents can either be converted to newer versions easily or will at least be accessible regardless of a corporations intelectual property, their development cycle, etc.

      It just maintains an oprganizations ability to access their own documents without waiting for a corporation to create some sort of backwards compatible solution on THEIR timeline rather than the states timeline.

      All in all a solid decision in theory. How it is implemented however can be an entirely different matter but conmsidering the intelligence and forethought that went into making this decision in the first place, it seems that implementation should be equally well thought out.

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    2. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Fiver- · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you are the only one here who's unnerved by two types of organizations having positions with the same title.

    3. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by crazdgamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      State? How about counties?

      The county I'm in (not in MA) has very recently (within the last 12 months) created a CIO position and filled it.

      I'm guessing the reason for this is because the county executive wanted someone in charge of the government's technology needs that could be removed or replaced at will (this is a caveat of an apointed position). The way the organization is currently set up, there's a separate Information Systems department and the head of IS is a civil servant and can't be removed or demoted without cause (civil service laws require hearings and a whole-lot of red tape before anyone can be removed from a position against their will.) A impending re-organization will create a Department of Technology with the apointed CIO as the head.

      In summary: a government could have a CIO in order to have more control over their own technology policies.

    4. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .be accessible regardless of a corporations intelectual property. . .

      And, perhaps, more to the point, it allows the citizens of the state the same.

      KFG

    5. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by PPGMD · · Score: 1

      ODF doesn't equal open source, any program can support ODF be it open or closed source. It simply documents the interface. Chances are MS will offer a converter and a setting to use ODF as default to the MA government and keep the contract. I don't believe this will change anything.

    6. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by iabervon · · Score: 1

      The weird thing isn't that they have those positions. The weird thing is that they have those titles. Why is the ITD Director also called the CIO, when the Commissioner of Revenue isn't called the CFO, and the Governor isn't called the CEO? The only thing I can think of is that they're trying to attract applicants from the business IT world who would like a CIO title. But this still seems like an odd desire, since the organizations are likely to have different sorts of demands on technology.

    7. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      By enforcinf [sic] the Open Document Format as the states choice, they guarantee that at any time in the future should older documents not work with current versions of software, that they as the state have the ability to modify existing open source code to ensure that older documents can either be converted to newer versions easily or will at least be accessible regardless of a corporations intelectual property, their development cycle, etc.

      Not to be reading too much into all this, but I read it thus:

      1. To my knowledge, there's only one major commercial word processor left - Word. This doesn't support ODF and isn't likely to until such time as Microsoft have little real choice in the matter.
          1a. Though let's face it, as a governmental organisation they've got the money to have a Word plugin to support ODF written for them.

      2. Nevertheless (and assuming 1a. doesn't come to pass), the current state of open source Office products, while adequate for most practical purposes, doesn't really come under the heading of "a simple choice for an easy life because you don't want half your staff refusing to use something because they 'haven't had training' or somesuch".
          2a. Which makes me think - either the state government is unusually forward-thinking or they've already been burnt once before.

    8. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I can't be the only one here who finds the continual blurring of lines between "state"/"country" and "corporation" a bit unnerving.

      Perhaps, but perhaps you're also reading too much into the name. Would you feel better if the position was exactly the same, with the same person in it, but the title was Secretary of Technology? Or Minister of Administration? Or Almighty King And Ruler Of All That Is Digital And Government Owned?

      The blurring of lines between government and corporations is only problematic when the underlying motivations (working for the voters vs. maximization of profit) are blurred, or when the groups are both working together in exclusive mutual self-interest, leaving the rest of us in the dark about it.

      I'm not saying this isn't happening, but calling someone in charge of technology a Chief Information Officer is hardly creating a corporate shill.

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    9. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Or Almighty King And Ruler Of All That Is Digital And Government Owned?

      How 'bout King of all Media?

    10. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe this will change anything.

      Except that now I'll be able to use Open Office 2.0 (or any other word processor that cares to implement the format) if I want to fill out paperwork for the government, instead of having the state compel me to buy Microsoft products just to communicate with them.

    11. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by constantnormal · · Score: 0, Troll

      Here's how Real America (and most likely Real Earth) is structured:

      A Hierarchy of Control and Influence

            multinational corporations

            domestic corporations

            acolytes of Satan (a.k.a. professional lobbyists, and inherited political dynasties)

            national governments

            state governments

            local governments

            clueless masses

      Subservient organizations mimic their superiors in this hierarchy.
      Thus it's no surprise to see CIOs appearing in domestic corporations -- regardless of size -- and all forms of government.

      I suspect that Hell itself is readying a CIO position to be occupied by Steve Balmer (the next time he indulges in a monkey dance, it may just do him in), who will preside over a vast array of Macs and Linux machines, with competent users who ignore his every decree to "standardize", and insist upon spreading entropy (disguised as diversity) throughout his realm.

      The fictions taught in the schools of a system wherein the teeming masses apply their collective wisdom to designate those to temporarily rule over them have been completely up-ended in the fullness of time.

      Political parties control the political process, and are given their marching orders (and income) by the professional lobbyist cadre, who are employees of larger, more sinister organizations.

    12. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      And it is good for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that there is no other major commercial word processor?

    13. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      I seriously don't know about that. I mean, what do you consider MAJOR... the term is highly ambiguous. Open Office is major when you consider the functionallity it provides as well as the fact that it works (and can export) almost all Office documents. I can open WORD, EXCEL, Power Point, PDF, ODF and many others.

      The fact that it is not widely adopted has nopthing to do with it being MAJOR. I think the functionallity is far more important.

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    14. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Except that now I'll be able to use Open Office 2.0"

      That's not what worries Microsoft. After all, everybody has been able to use RTF for storage for ages.

      The problem is that OOo provides a successful "open source implementation of a public standard", thus "embrace and extend" tactis won't work.

      When Microsoft (badly) supports a public standard of its own (as RTF is) Microsoft has nothing to worry about.
      When a third party supports a public standard without a succesful open source implementation, a privative software company can succesfully use embrace and extend tactics because if a third party product "doesn't work" it seems to be the third party the one to blame (as it is the case with ie. RTF or PDF, and that's why they have had partial success with their impaired Kerberos implementation for Active Directory).

      When there's a public exchange format/protocol with a successful open implementation, the faulty part obviously becomes the privative side (as it is the case ie. on SMTP: Microsoft tried to bastardize it on Exchange early days, but Sendmail made a strong case and fingertips pointed to Microsoft to be at fault).

      That's why the "open protocols, not open source" are either wrong or biased. In the software world, anything more complex than "a protocol to fill an empty glass from a water jar" is doomed to include inacuracies and "grey areas", so having only an in-paper protocol description leaves too many open doors for embrace and extend tactics for privative software vendors, specially if they have the advantage being them defining the protocol (Sun's Java and/or Microsoft's dot-net comes to mind).

      You could get Microsoft eventually supporting an "open" protocol, as long as there's no open implementation (like the PDF; that's why they are now hard-pushing "open protocols" loaded with "patents shareable on a fair royalties basis") and/or they control the "reference implementation" (like the RTF case), but they won't ever support a protocol with a successful open implementation (they know such a battle is lost).

    15. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Let me just say that I don't think it's good for anyone that there's only one serious, well-known commercial word processor. However, I do think it's brave dictating a document format in the full knowledge that doing so will eliminate the most popular (and therefore least contentious) choice.

      The fact that it is not widely adopted has nopthing to do with it being MAJOR. I think the functionallity is far more important.

      Maybe public sector works differently in the US, but in the UK there's a strong chance that you'd have a huge revolt on your hands as most of the staff would categorically refuse to use something they "hadn't been trained in" (the fact that it's close enough for most real work is neither here nor there).

      Fine, you can train/discipline the staff who need training/are just being awkward. But when it's 75% of your staff of a few thousand, it's suddenly a major problem in that you're going to have to set aside thousands of man-hours for training and pay for someone to provide it.

      I think dictating an open format for documents is great, a very laudable idea. But I still think it's unusually brave for anyone in the public sector - hence why I'm wondering if they've had a problem with incompatible files in the past.

    16. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Will it eliminate Microsoft Word? What's to stop Microsoft from making its own Word/ODF plug-in? Also, are the differences between OpenOffice.org and Microsoft Word so much greater than the differences between successive releases of Microsoft Word?

    17. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      Well a staff revolt over software choice (as long as both are equally capable and similar in functionallity and GUI) is childish and a company has every right to make decisions that will affect employee performance and their bottom line. If I have 100 employees and am purchasing 100 licenses for the latest copy of Office every 3 years, thats a major expense.

      Aside from that, the GUI is extremely similar, I switched to using Open Office and everything is practically in the exact same place as with Office applications. So throwing a tantrum over a software choice that is so similar as to not make a difference and to not require additional training is assinine.

      I got my mom onto a Linux machine running Openm Office because I got sick of her complaining to me about crashes, vbiruses and bugs with her Windows box. Guess how long it took her to learn Open Office. Zero. In fact she just noticed that it looked slightly different but she thought it was the same program.

      The two questions you should be asking as a business are :

      1. How will this effect productivity?
      2. Will it save me money?

      If it does not affect productivity dramatically and within a very limited amount of time you get increased or similar productivity for NONE OF THE COST, then it's a no brainer. Your staff will adapt after a little whining... and whining is all part of having a job. :)

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  6. Groklaw by Tony · · Score: 4, Informative

    Groklaw has the skinny, and a comprehensive history.

    What it means for the commonwealth of Massachusetts: sovereingity.

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    1. Re:Groklaw by happymedium · · Score: 1

      "sovereingity."

      Nice rhetoric there, RMS.

    2. Re:Groklaw by happymedium · · Score: 0, Redundant

      "sovereingity." Nice rhetoric there, RMS.

  7. Oh My God! by Eric+Damron · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Acting MA CIO Appointed, ODF A Go"

    I need help! I understood that!!!

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    1. Re:Oh My God! by eck011219 · · Score: 1

      You think you've got troubles, brother - in fact, I didn't understand it, but pretended like I did sitting here at home alone in my office. "Great," says I, "what a windfall!"

      And then I had to read the article to figure it out. Who on EARTH am I trying to impress here? How square are you if you try to outnerd yourself in an otherwise empty room?

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  8. Yeah, but... by sczimme · · Score: 2, Funny


    I need help! I understood that!!!

    I think it could have used another 'Go':

    "Acting MA CIO Appointed, ODF A Go Go"

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  9. Re:2nd Post Bitches! by thaerin · · Score: 3, Funny

    How's Stalin and his Free Software Movement?

    If you'd of read the FAQ and TPS Report you'd be ITK and not MIA.

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  10. i didn't understand the title by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    until i realized the author meant to say "AMACIOA,ODFAG"

    in which case i understood perfectly

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  11. Re:2nd Post Bitches! by doxology · · Score: 1

    I tried printing it off but all it said was PC Load Letter and I don't know what that means.

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  12. Ob Good Morning Vietnam by jskiff · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P."

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    1. Re:Ob Good Morning Vietnam by sbillard · · Score: 1

      Just like P.Q.

  13. 2006 - the years of open source. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    I don't think there will be a year of Open Source of a year of Open Document. I think there will be years marked by battles of Open source and open document formats. We've been fighting these bloody battles of Open source and Open Doc versus Closed source and Word Documents for years now, and every year I think the battles intensify as more and more casualties mount on both sides.

    2006 will be another year of fighting for F/OSS and ODF survival. So here's too a new year in the trenches.

  14. A gloss on the story by maggard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OpenDocument is a published set of standards for office-type documents.

    This differs from the Microsoft Office formats in that they're fully documented, legally unencumbered, and reasonably easy to make use of (something the MS Office formats are, in spite of repeated claims of being "open", have never actually been in any substantive way.)

    This is important to the Commonwealth (= State) of Massachusetts as it recognizes it will need to be able to read it's digital files for decades, indeed centuries, into the future. MS Office and like applications have proven to be unable to read documents written by versions only a few years old.

    However it is hoped that by adopting a non-commercially-controlled standard files will be able to be read by applications yet undeveloped, from any vendor or source, without legal complexity.

    The other advantage is this also "levels the playing field" for all other applications by breaking the MS Office Format lock, and will thus enable government entities and those they interact with with stop paying the "Microsoft Tax".

    Microsoft has complained that this format excludes their products. It doesn't, they can develop a converter the same they have for all of the other competing formats their products read & (sometimes) write to.

    Microsoft has also taken steps to get their formats also set as a standard. Whether whatever ECMA eventually publishes is actually useful is an open question but has been clearly driven by this situation.

    Microsoft has also employed their PR & lobbying arms, having front organizations distribute disinformation about OpenDocument, it's effects, goals, etc.

    The most visible supporter of Massachusetts adopting OpenDocument was a civil servant, Peter Quinn.

    He was recently investigated for possible misuse of funds. This story received unusually prominent coverage by the leading local newspaper, on their front page.

    The without-cause finding received little coverage but the employee decided he wasn't interested working under this level of personal attack and has left civil service.

    The State Governor is about to run for US President and has a history of w ^H h ^H o ^H r ^H i ^H n ^H g accepting campaign contributions from interested parties, then making dubious appointments and policies.

    It was widely suspected the Governor would be announce a convenient policy change after Peter Quinn left (costs to run for President!)

    This story is that the policy won't change. Or at least, that is the story today. How aggresively the policy is implemented is another question, or if this policy will even stand once general attention to it has waned.

    The other good news is that many other levels and jurisdictions of governements have identical concerns about using MS's formats and are themselves considering alternatives, open formats, etc.

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  15. I Was Getting A Little Worried by canfirman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    'There have been no changes in the commonwealth's published OpenDocument rules, and we are still on track for a January 2007 implementation.'

    Well, that's good to hear. I was starting to wonder if the new interm CIO would be a friend of Redmond and would start to turn MA against ODF. Good for them to stick to their principles.

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  16. How "standard" is ODF? by a_greer2005 · · Score: 1

    Correct me if I am weong, but ODF is only used by OOo and Suns Staroffice (which is the same thing, in a box, with phone support), so even though the format is open, which is undoubtably good, isnt it just locking into Sun because no one else reads / writes ODF?

    1. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Informative

      Correct me if I am weong[sic], but ODF is only used by OOo and Suns Staroffice (which is the same thing, in a box, with phone support), so even though the format is open, which is undoubtably good, isnt it just locking into Sun because no one else reads / writes ODF?

      OK, you're wrong. ODF is an open format, thus no lock-in. Anyone can and will implement it. Koffice and WordPerfect have both announced that upcoming versions of their products will support it. OpenOffice is open source, so any company can modify and sell support for it. Even MS can support the format easily, they just don't want to because the benefits it brings, like the ability to migrate easily to other formats, might not allow them to gouge customers as easily. The lock-in part of the .doc format is that no one except MS can read/write it perfectly (and not even MS between versions).

      Moving to ODF is smart because it is not a lock-in. In five years when MA wants to evaluate new word processors, they can look at the features and prices of at least four different providers and choose the best fit, without worrying if they can read old files and without worrying about migration costs.

    2. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by eelke_klein · · Score: 1

      No read this.

    3. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by FreeBSD+evangelist · · Score: 1
      Correct me if I am weong, but ODF is only used by OOo and Suns Staroffice (which is the same thing, in a box, with phone support), so even though the format is open, which is undoubtably good, isnt it just locking into Sun because no one else reads / writes ODF?

      Ok, you're wrong.

      For starters

    4. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by DarkProphet · · Score: 1

      Heh, no because you can build your own ODF reader. And MSOffice will eventually support the format, so its really a moot point. Come to think of it, I wouldn't put it past MS to add ODF support via update to Office XP and Office 2003 and pretend like they invented ODF. ;-)

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    5. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by eobanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have little doubt in my mind that AbiWord and Apple will soon support OpenDocument as well.

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    6. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple released the spec for their Pages and Keynote document format. It's somewhere on their developer site (I downloaded it for interest's sake the other day).

      It's just a gzipped XML format - very simple to process.

      It would be a simple (but not trivial) task to write a converter to ODF, and any reasonable programmer could do it in a day or two. I'm tempted to write one in RealBASIC just for fun.

      Well... not a *lot* of fun, but fun nevertheless...

  17. Is it just me? by delirium28 · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or have the editors failed to link to their own article properly! C'mon guys, getting a 404 for your own site is not cool.

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  18. Fehrnstrom by Yerase · · Score: 1

    Eric Fehrnstrom ? Is anyone else thinking he sounds like the Professor's Arch-nemesis from Futurama...

  19. Is slashdot broken for anyone else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something is not right.

  20. EWeek comments on this subject by rmsnwbrdr · · Score: 0, Troll

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1908369,00.as p David Coursey from EWeek has an interesting opinion piece on this subject. From the article- "Is it the responsibility of citizens to change what they're doing for the convenience of the government? Or should government seek to meet the needs of the largest number of its citizens?"

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    1. Re:EWeek comments on this subject by sconeu · · Score: 1

      And Groklaw has a reply to it.

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    2. Re:EWeek comments on this subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Government is actually fulfilling its responsibility to the people, even if it's a bit inconvenient at the start, but ensuring continous readability of its documents.

      MS file formats are notoriously incompatible after a few versions, and there is a _very_ real possiblity in the not-so-distant future, that this era we live in now will be considered a "digital dark age". I can't open up my Word 2.0 documents I wrote when I was in college now, and certainly don't have extra copies of Office 95, 97, and 2000 required to make the conversion.

      We only need to look at history for an example (courtesy of my wife). There's about a 100 year gap between Linear A and Linear B in Ancient Greek. However, even that small time period in between makes it impossible for us to translate the former. It'll always be a mystery.

  21. A dose of their own medicine? by aconkling · · Score: 1

    "Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs!"

  22. Good thing too... by Firehed · · Score: 1

    Anything that the government makes use of should be open-source. The only exception I can think of is where it would be a national security risk in doing so, which isn't likely the case here. As long as I pay my taxes, I should have the right to view gov't-created documents without needing to buy software in order to do so. Not to mention I shouldn't be paying my tax dollars to Microsoft; they've gotten enough of my money in the past as it is.

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  23. Rip down these wheelchair ramps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state has a responsibility for all of its citizens,
    not only for the lazy majority!

  24. got dang! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it would take, what, an extra 10 seconds to type the damn thing out?

  25. Anonymous Cowards by HalAtWork · · Score: 1
    Anonymous Cowards filtered. If their words aren't worth so much as a nom de plume why should I value them any mor

    If you ignore good information just because it comes from an anonymous source then you are only sabotaging yourself. There is no other outcome to the situation than you having a smaller pool of information to look at, so your view is narrower than that of others. You may think you are avoiding a lot of garbage but I guess you will never know if you completely block it out. You even need to understand the point of view of the enemy to win at war.

  26. Commercial Analogy by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Here's my best stab at a commercial analogy for the ODF debacle.

    Imagine you're the procurement guy for a mid-sized company. Not huge, but not insigificant either. You use some product from an outside vendor, which everyone pretty much agrees sucks, but uses anyway. You recommend to your boss one day that the company try to negotiate with the vendor to make it suck less, and if they won't do this, dump the vendor for some alternative.

    So the vendor, which is a company bigger than yours, gets wind of your idea. They don't want to change their product for you, saying your company is too small for it to be worthwhile. But they also realize that other companies are watching what happens to yours. So instead they have one of their higher-ups call up your company's CEO and try to get you fired.

    That's pretty much the whole deal as I've watched it; when you compare it to an equivalent situation occuring the private sector it seems pretty ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Commercial Analogy by acaben · · Score: 1

      Thanks! This is probably the best explanation I've seen so far. I think I'm starting to understand.