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New Evidence in Historical Cannibalism Debate

An anonymous reader writes "ScienceNOW is reporting that a team of scientists led by Geneticist Jaume Bertranpetit has called into question findings from an earlier study of human prion diseases. The first study, led by John Collinge of University College London, stated that the existence of a gene that codes for prions was a result of a "balancing act" that had kept it in the gene pool for so long. The balancing act was supposedly due to widespread cannibalistic practices in human history. The new report suggests that their results were skewed because of low frequency variations known as 'ascertainment bias.'"

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  1. that's 'ascertainmanet' by KeeghanMacAllan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but the mainstream news media will continue to utilize the cannabalism story due to their 'entertainment' bias

  2. Another /usr/{games,bin}/fortune wisdom by fionbio · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup."

    1. Re:Another /usr/{games,bin}/fortune wisdom by EngMedic · · Score: 4, Informative

      that should be, more properly, "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup". It's a take on the tolkien quote "do not meddle in the affiars of wizards, for they are subtle, and quick to anger".

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  3. Zork by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Funny
    I was in fourth grade when I first played with the Zork triology of text-adventure games on the C-64.

    An innocent kid and budding geek, I tried feeding novel combinations of nouns and verbs to the primitive parser.

    I tried "EAT LAMP"... got back "You can't eat the lamp." "EAT BREAD"... "That was delicious."... Etc.

    I tried "EAT ME". I couldn't comprehend why my dad, who had just bought the game for me and was supervising over my shoulder, started laughing so hard.

    Several years later I finally understood why he laughed even harder when the computer responded:

    "Auto-cannibalism is not the answer."

    You can mod this offtopic, but those 1983 game designers had a real sense of humor and subtly implemented it in 64KB.

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    1. Re:Zork by quokkapox · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If I could remember the password for my account (which I haven't been able to do for about five years now), and had karma, I would give it to you.

      How touching. Karma is meaningless here, when you can be denied mod points forever simply because you criticized the editors.

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    2. Re:Zork by zephc · · Score: 5, Funny

      > LOOK
      You see a lamp.
      > LOVE LAMP
      Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?

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    3. Re:Zork by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm replying to my own parent modded Troll.

      Yeah, I'm trolling within my own thread. What purpose would that serve? The moderators are on crack.

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    4. Re:Zork by Edward+Kmett · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Infocom managed to implement it to run in such tight memory constraints because they designed all their games to run in a virtual machine (the Z-machine), and provided it with the ability to page in and out sectors of data from disk. They then compiled the code from a high level language Lisp-ish language on a nice big mainframe, and only had to code directly on the various microcomputer platforms enough code to run the virtual machine. Thats why Infocom games can consistently across so many platforms, despite widely varying architectures and space contraints.

      They didn't view themselves as having 64k to work with which in the C-64 case they had to share with 16k of roms and a display buffer, etc. They viewed themselves as simply paging data out of a much larger virtual machine. Even Zork 1 images weigh in between 94k and 123k IIRC. Some later Z-machine images were considerable larger.

      This is also why all those silly little 'write your own Zork in BASIC' games that people published in Compute's Gazette, etc. never were as cool as Zork. They just didn't have the architecture to scale that well.

      Yes, this is off-topic.

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    5. Re:Zork by yfkar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Auto-trolling is not the answer.

    6. Re:Zork by Reverend528 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Several years later I finally understood why he laughed even harder when the computer responded

      That's pretty slow. Even by Commodore standards.

  4. The other white meat by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Few taboos are stronger than cannibalism. It's no surprise then that a study published 2 years ago created quite a stir by claiming that modern humans harbor a genetic signature suggesting our ancestors engaged heavily in the practice.

    I don't see why. Just because something is taboo now doesn't mean it always was. I wouldn't be bothered too much if I found out for certain that my ancestors were cannibals. It's not like that reflects poorly on me or my society. Every culture used to do some weird/nasty/mean things at some point.

    1. Re:The other white meat by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's enough evidence from diverse places to support a guess that human cannibilism has persistently been more than an occasional or incidental vice -- evidence like human proteins found in petrified human feces. It's now clear that many of those pictures of early men and beasts found on cave walls were actually fast-food menus.

    2. Re:The other white meat by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Every culture used to do some weird/nasty/mean things at some point.

      Exactly. We should only consider to be "taboo" those practices that are taboo across all cultures everywhere. Anything taboo that can be generalized is probably really worth avoiding, because if most every human is averse to it, it's likely to be bad for our survival. We should pay attention to our universal instincts.

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    3. Re:The other white meat by zakezuke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Every culture used to do some weird/nasty/mean things at some point.

      While every culture has things in the past it's done it's not proud of, cannibalism may not be as horrid as it sounds. If for example the society becomes sustainable it would make sence that something would need be done about it. Could be no more than self-sacrifice, some form of lottery, or simply the need to waste nothing. Or it could be one fell on a tribal hunt, the beast got away, and the wish of the fallen comrade was for the tribe to survive the winter. You might think it would be less cruel to for example eject individuals from your tribe for the sake of the whole, you would have to know the conditions of the outside enviroment and their perception of it to judge whether they were being cruel or kind. If we are talking a pre-copper age culture, I think I would rather die at home quickly than being left half eaten beign picked apart by the crows. If we are talking the copper/bronze ages expelsion might have been a kinder solution. At least a person could have some basic armor and a weapon, even a horse. It's silly to put things into moral context when no one needs morality when there isn't enough to eat.

      Cannibalism is a total taboo today, we are wise enough to understand it's not a typicaly healthy habbit. But in it self it's neither evil or immoral. We probally get this belief from those who discovered this age old taboo was simply unhealthy and assumed some sky-god / earth-god was punishing us.

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    4. Re:The other white meat by Belseth · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's now clear that many of those pictures of early men and beasts found on cave walls were actually fast-food menus.

      In related news Morgan Spurlock has decided to do a new documentary where he will eat nothing but MacDonalds employees for 30 days.

    5. Re:The other white meat by Randall_Jones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We should only consider to be "taboo" those practices that are taboo across all cultures everywhere.

      First of all, you use the term "taboo" in your proposed definition of taboo. That never makes for a helpful definition.

      Second, your statement can either be taken to mean: if it's not forbidden in all cultures, then it's ok to do. Which means if you can find one culture that did not forbid, say, rape or murder or child molestation (which you probably could do), we should change our laws so as to stop discouraging these misunderstood "non-taboo" practices.

      I doubt you mean anything that dumb, right? In which case you must be trying to distinguish between "taboo" and "immoral", where "taboo" means maladaptive and forbidden across cultures, and "immoral" is questionable but non-maladaptive behavior that should still be discouraged. Otherwise you've inadvertantly made yourself a NAMBLA advocate.

  5. I don't care by Firehed · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...what the scientists tell me about my genes. If I'm hungry and you look tasty, get running, unless you have an offering of a loaded baked potato or appropriate substitute.

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  6. to be honest.. by Combas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesnt really matter that much to me if my ancestors did a little canibalism, or even a lot for that matter. After all Im pretty sure that somewhere down the line some or perhaps even a lot of my ancestors engaged in equally terrible things to survive or perhaps even took part in them without "survival" really being an issue.

    These thoughts dont exactly delight me.

    However they dont really frighten me either.

    To me all this article really says is that genetics is more complicated that we are currently able to understand and goes a lot deeper than just decoding a genome. One scientists sees some data and comes to a conclusion, another scientist looks at the same data a couple years later and reaches the opposite conclusion.

  7. obligatory futurama quote by dancingmad · · Score: 5, Funny

    (You knew it was coming)

    Fry: "My God! What if the secret ingredient ... is people!"
    Leela: "No. There's already a soda like that. Soylent Cola."
    Fry: "Oh. How is it?"
    Leela: "It varies from person to person."

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  8. Okay but how skewed? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The article is just a bit over my head but I don't think it says how wrong the original conclusion was just they think cannabilsm was not as common as the previous study suggested.

    But how much? Did we eat each other daily? Weekly? On special holidays? It can't have been to common anyway. If you eat more of a food source then is grown your run out. or put another way. Even if you farmed humans you would be hard put to serve baby more then once per year. Presuming of course that factory farming is really a recent invention.

    Anyway wasn't cannabilism more ritual then food source? Eat the X of a vanguished enemy to gain his X. God forbid to think what the chinese would serve after the battle.

    Oh well whatever the truth just don't accept an invitation to the donner party. Or board an airplane with an Uruguayan rugby team. Well unless you are feeling peckish.

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  9. National Geographic Article by Quirk · · Score: 4, Informative
    A National Geographic article from 2003 presents arguments from both sides. Cannibalism Normal For Early Humans?

    Somewhere in the dusty recesses of the library stacks I came across writings that suggested many early northern european peoples practised cannibalism as was evidenced by the skulls of victims being halved to get at the brains. The National Geographic article suggests modern cannibals fed the brains to women and children as less desirable, but, for examples, grizziles feeding on migrating salmon will feed exclusivley on the brains once their initial hunger is sated.

    My culinary perversion only extended to a one time feeding on beef tartare. I kinda liked it.

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    1. Re:National Geographic Article by johansalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Culinary perversions? Are you saying you never ate brains? Brains are a delicacy in many cultures. Well, not human brains, but lamb and calves' brains and such. The French eat them, the Arabs do too, and many such mediterranean and mideastern cultures. I ate them when i was a kid, they tasted good, though now i wouldn't. Many cultures still preserve their rural traditions from times of ancient scarcity, for example, in England they still eat this thing made of congealed pigs' blood, called black pudding. Now that is something I could never stomach. It's part of that incredibly unhealthy, clot-inducing concoction called a Full English breakfast.

  10. I once knew a girl who... by crazyphilman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once knew a girl who liked to be eaten.
    Once, twice, thrice she'd entreat me,
    Eat me, she'd say, eat me, EAT ME!
    And so I would; on the lass I'd dine.
    Now, you'd think that a strapping young girl would taste,
    Like beef, or lamb, or pork at least.
    But I tell you, this hot young lass of mine,
    always tasted like fish, each and every time.

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  11. Gives new meaning to by l33tlamer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Baby back ribs

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  12. You knew it was coming: part deux by todd10k · · Score: 5, Funny

    two cannibals are eating a clown. one turns to the other and says "does this taste funny to you?"

  13. It's good to know by ddx+Christ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's good to know that research was carried out and the findings were against the first team's concerning cannibalism. If anything, it'll spark a bit of competitive research to further analyze the results and perhaps bring us closer to what the genes and their variations really represent. According to the article, there could be bias present because the first team didn't analyze all 22 variations, which is fairly important in the context of evolution.

    Nevertheless, perhaps we'll see an article in the future to see the conclusion after more comparisons between the two papers and further research. It's an interesting topic, to say the least.

  14. The healthy human flesh alternative by beforewisdom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now there is hufu, the healthy human flesh alternative for the ethically inclined cannibal: http://www.eathufu.com/faq.asp

  15. There are no more cannibals by Solilok · · Score: 3, Funny

    I ate the last one

  16. Along the same lines by Gryle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Two cannibals walk into a restauraunt and take a seat. A nervous waiter explains that the only thing the restauraunt could possibly offer them is a missionary from Prague willing to sacrifice himself. The cannibals exchange glances and one tells the waiter "Yeah, I guess we could split the Czech."

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  17. Cannibalism as a pretext for slavery by mangu · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There was a theological argument that cannibals had no souls. The reasoning went like this: since on Judgement Day everyone will arise from their graves, their body parts which have decomposed will come together again. Since cannibals' body parts come from other peoples' bodies, they won't be able to reconstitute their own bodies. Therefore, cannibals don't have souls, because they can't ressurect on Judgement Day.


    Enslaving people with no souls cannot possibly be a sin, can it? Therefore there existed an incentive to find all sorts of evidence of cannibalism among tribes in distant lands.

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