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iPod Owners Not Thieves

An anonymous reader writes "Remember last year when Microsoft head Steve Ballmer said iPod owners were music thieves and their iPods were full of stolen music? It turns out they're actually less likely to download music using filesharing software than owners of other MP3 players. A lot less likely." From the article: "A survey of US and UK music buyers reveals that although 25 per cent of people admit to downloading music from file-sharing services, only seven per cent of iPod owners do so. Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."

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  1. "Lesser music players..." -- ??? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."
    Sounds like flamebait to me. Calling every other music player "lesser." Yeah, no other music player holds up to an iPod.

    In my opinion, I think there is some competition to consider before making that bold statement.
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    1. Re:"Lesser music players..." -- ??? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Putting Bose in your first link destroyed all credibility :) Besides, if you go to the bose site, the only portable music product you find is a speaker dock for the iPod that puts the pod right in front of the speakers where any bass (if it had any) could shake the shit out of that little sucker (definitely what I have come to expect from bose.) That's not exactly competition...

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  2. Big news? by rjung2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    So Steve Ballmer is an idiot. This is news?

    1. Re:Big news? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Funny
      So Steve Ballmer is an idiot. This is news?
      I think we should listen to Steve on this one - he's got the chair.
  3. Could be that iPod owners have more... by SIGFPE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...disposable income to spend on legal downloads than owner of lesser^H^H expensive mp3 players.

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    1. Re:Could be that iPod owners have more... by Yartrebo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps because their capacity is so damned huge. But the marginal benefit to go from 4GB to 60GB is very small, much smaller than from a CD player to 4GB. It's like saying projection TVs are cheaper per square inch than CRTs: projection TVs are still fairly pricey and most people cannot use them to their fullest for lack of a large enough living room and a good enough sound system.

      Most people couldn't fathom of filling up 60GB with music, particularly paid music, so either they're clueless about purchasing decisions, or they're buying the large Ipods for something else, namely prestige.

  4. Convenience by vijayiyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who have iPods have demonstrated a willingness to pay for ease of use and simplicity. That they would spend money at the iTunes Music Store to easily download music rather than go through the hassle of downloading it from a p2p network should not be surprising.

    1. Re:Convenience by the+MaD+HuNGaRIaN · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since I am already a member of the Apple Fanboy List I can reply without fear of reprocussions.

      I can honestly say that this is exactly why I use ITMS rather than P2P.
      My time is more valuable than the .99 cents it takes to click a couple buttons and have the song right there in my iPod--and the quality is always the same.

      Quite honestly, I don't have time to hunt a P2P network for some obsure ass thing and then find out that it's 128bit and has a couple CD skipping noises in the middle of it. No thanks.

    2. Re:Convenience by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 3, Funny

      I buy ITMS music and you're totally right. Pirated music always has something wrong, and generally has inferior sound quality. Plus, when it's as accessable, cheap, and easy as iTunes, why go through the trouble of hunting a song down on a p2p network?

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  5. Good News by 2names · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dear RIAA,

    For the record, I own an iPod, so you can put me on the "Do Not Sue" list.

    Sincerely,

    Me

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    1. Re:Good News by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Me,

      While we cannot remove you from our "Will Sue" list (We sue everybody on principle) we are however pleased to inform you that we have recalled the team of ex-deltaforce commandos we contracted to assassinate you a week ago.

      In the hope this E-Mail finds you still alive, sincerely,

      RIAA

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    2. Re:Good News by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear RIAA,

      I am sorry to inform you that we have already performed your orders and have assasinated 2names. Sorry, but with the sheer number of contracts you have put out we need to move quickly to get all 100 million file sharers in the US.

      Sincerely,

      Ex-deltaforce assasination team

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  6. Or.... by irw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Third option - iPod owners are liars

    *ducks*

  7. Or another possibility by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."

    Or, that since they have a legal, inexpensive way to obtain the specific music that they want to play, they are more inclined to actually spend $5.00 to get five songs from five different bands instead of $16 for twelve songs from one band, with only one song that they actually want.

    Or still, that the people who bought iPods coincidentally are also the same people who already have large CD collections, so they were inclined to rip and encode their music specifically so that they could play it on the iPod, rather than having to resort to scavenging the Internet for music because they were too cheap to pay for it...

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  8. Microsoft just doesn't get it ... by orangeguru · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stever Job once correctly stated that the iTunes store has to compete with P2P services / pirating. They succeded - and it is bloody convinient too.

    The iTunes store offers so far the best online music store and player combination (software and portable). So far none of the other companies have succeded in offering a better combo. The winner takes it all ...

  9. Why? by Zebra_X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After using iTunes, who wants to sift through a bunch of songs of questionable quality, infectiousness, and organization. Really, what a waste of time.

  10. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  11. I disagree with the conclusions. by XorNand · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players.
    Option C:) Apple has successfully eliminated the incentive to "steal" music by making it cheaper to buy iTunes tracks than to use alternative backchannels. We all make time/money trade-offs everyday: eating out vs. cooking our own food, changing our own oil vs. paying someone else $25 to do it, buying a Roomba or vacuuming our place more often. Buying music isn't any different. iTunes with an iPod can't get any easier and therefore saves a lot of people valuable time.

    I'm no Apple fanboy, but I give them major kudos to pull off what the RIAA and the major labels are too stupid to understand. This was a technological and economical war from the beginning. Damn them for perverting it into a legal one as well.
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    1. Re:I disagree with the conclusions. by sl3xd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Option C:) Apple has successfully eliminated the incentive to "steal" music by making it cheaper to buy iTunes tracks than to use alternative backchannels.

      Yeah, I remember an economics professor calling this the "opprotunity cost;' a fancy way of saying 'time is money.'

      I recall watching video of the keynote when Steve Jobs announced the iTMS -- and he made the identical comparison; that it's cheaper for the consumer to go get a (minimum wage) job, and buy the (correct, known-quality) songs from iTunes, than it is for them to hunt for the music on a filesharing service.

      I just hope that they bump up the bitrates of iTMS music sometime; not that it matters much in the situations I listen to my iPods (driving in my car, using an adapter that lets the iPod act as a cd changer), or on mid-grade headphones ($200 or so), I can't tell the difference anyway...

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  12. Is that the only conclusion? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "A survey of US and UK music buyers reveals that although 25 per cent of people admit to downloading music from file-sharing services, only seven per cent of iPod owners do so. Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."

    Another option is that Ipod owners are scrupulously DIShonest, making their numbers a lot lower. Come on, this is like a survey of inner city people who regularly J-walk. You have three categories, the ones that do and admit it, the ones that don't and are proud of it, and the ones that do but say they don't because they are too self conscious.

  13. Re:iPod wrapper says "Don't Steal Music" by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Funny

    I noticed that , so I said to my iPod "I promise I wont steal music , I will copyright infringe it instead"

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  14. Obvious explanation by Jimmy_B · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The iPod is closely associated with iTunes, which makes getting music legally more convenient than downloading. Also, iPod owners are likely to have more money to spend on music than owners of less expensive mp3 players.

  15. Are you sure it isn't about price? by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players.
    Personally, I think it is just like we saw with the advent of cheap VHS tapes. When the moves were $100+, most people rented them and copied them. When the price dropped to $20, people buy them instead.

    Once you bring the price down to a certain point, the average person will pay for a legal copy.
  16. My guess by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you have an iPod, it's safer to get songs legally. If you play songs on a PC, it's safer to download questionable content from known criminals than it is to insert a legal Sony CD.

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  17. yet another data point by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm an ipod/itms user and don't have any illegal music.

    when I was younger I had lots of stuff I'd downloaded just because I could, but didn't even listen to most of it. so I got rid of all but my favourite downloaded songs. there weren't that many and from then on it just seemed easier to go to itms than the hassle of p2p (minimum share 5GB! banned for 1 hour! minimum 3 share slots! banned for 1 hour! ... fake files, wrong tags, crappy quality - even sometimes system sounds heard during playback).

    then the situation was either have illegal content for the sake of a handful of songs, or just replace them with legitimate versions for the sake of a couple of pints.

    itunes just makes being "honest" easier than not. appealing to laziness is far more successful than appealing to respect for disgusting organisations (RIAA) or appalling laws (DMCA).

  18. not thieves? by revery · · Score: 5, Funny

    iPod Owners Not Thieves

    Well then, maybe someone would like to explain to me why my iPod is engraved with the following:

    To my dearest Helen, I'm sorry I gave you the clap, Gerald

  19. I thought iPod was the lesser player... by SoCalChris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not to mention that ipod has no wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

  20. Paranoid? by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."

    Paranoid? How about "three times more likely to lie to a potential RIAA lawyer that they download music?" Or "three times less stupid?" Perhaps, less inflammatorily, we could say "iPod owners are three times more informed about the rapacious RIAA barrators."

    I don't think it counts as paranoia when they're publicly taking down 8-year-old girls and 72-year-old grandmas. It's self preservation.

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  21. Submitter Wears Bias Proudly by nathanh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."

    Or that iPod users are dishonest and will lie about where they got their MP3s.

    Or that iPod users are lazy and tend towards the convenience of iTunes.

    Or that iPod users are technically incompetent and can't figure out P2P.

    Or that the statistical sampling and analysis was flawed.

    There are so many possible reasons. Why did the submitter need to state a false dichotomy?

    lesser music players

    Oh, now I see why.

  22. Re:Could be that iPod owners... by SimplexO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    are more enticed to use the bundled iTunes legal purchasing software that works well with their computer, their iPod, and the fact that they really don't understand computers? Isn't this software Darwinism? Build good software and they will come, right?

    My brother got a nano and he got my dad to buy some music from iTMS, even though he had previously gotten them for free off of peer networks. He could have gotten those songs for free, but since his iPod came with iTunes, he used the included software to get some music. Songs at a reasonable price, found using software he can use. It all makes sense to me.

  23. NEWS FLASH! by CODiNE · · Score: 5, Funny

    BMW owners found less likely to siphon gas than Ford owners.

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  24. Re:MOD PARENT UP by horn_in_gb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, I was really thankful my iRiver MP3 player had radio because I've had to tune into emergency broadcast several times these last few months. I never listen to radio (and don't have a TV), but quickly found the right station and could monitor while I sat in my closet waiting for a Tornado to eat me. I also didn't grow up in a place with tornados so I didn't know what to expect or what to do if it hit.

    Don't mess with Emergency Broadcasting, man

  25. In other news, by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve Ballmer is also bald. Film at 11.

  26. bad survey - useless data by geekee · · Score: 4, Informative

    They surveyed people who bought music online, not a random sample of mp3 player owners. This doesn't take into account people who only copy music illegally.

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