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Disney Buys Pixar

BlueDjinn writes to tell us that it appears a great deal of speculation over Disney's buyout of Pixar Animation Studios is in fact true. From the article: "[Pixar] is set to meet tomorrow to approve the company's $7bn (£3.9bn) takeover by Disney. The all-share deal will make Steve Jobs, the chief executive of Apple, around $3.5bn and the single largest shareholder in Disney. Jobs created Pixar in 1986 when he paid $10m for the computer animations division of Lucasfilm, owned by Star Wars creator George Lucas."

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  1. Good luck to Steve J... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nobody deserves a few billion bucks more than he does, the way I figure it. If he manages to pull Disney out of their spiral of mediocrity, he'll have earned every penny...

    1. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny
      If he manages to pull Disney out of their spiral of mediocrity, he'll have earned every penny...

      Yes, because being the owner of the world's largest collection of turtle necks is an expensive hobby.

    2. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by jcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If it looks like Disney's paying attention to what the Pixar people tell them, then I'll be buying Disney shares this summer. The real key for Disney Animation is John Lasseter. If they put him in charge, expect great movies.

      As for the business side of things, I hope this means we'll see ALL of the Disney archives available on line. I'll pay two bucks for Steamboat Willie on my iPod, and there's a whole lot of other classics I'd love to see again.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll pay two bucks for Steamboat Willie on my iPod

      NO! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

      Thoughts like this will lead to Disney convincing Congress to retroactively extend copyright for another 20 years.

    4. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by garyboodhoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disney's not exactly known for it's ability to listen - to anyone. Not a matter of malevolence, just hubris. The company is a lot more than the animation division. In recent years they've made it pretty clear just how poorly animators and storytellers are regarded. Throwing money at the problem won't do a thing to change that.

      Best possible case - Pixar is treated as an independent division, like Touchstone for example.

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    5. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by baxissimo · · Score: 2

      To me the best possible case would be Steve somehow winding up in Michael Eisner's chair. Seriously, Disney could use a little dose of the magic dust Steve's been sprinking around Cuppertino. The thing Disney seems to be lacking most these days is someone in the top seat who actually cares about making quality products, who wants to "put a ding in the universe", and who has some vision that goes beyond next quarter's profit-loss sheet.

    6. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by iphayd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not really. I have five, and my collection is considered the second largest.

    7. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2, Insightful


      "In recent years they've made it pretty clear just how poorly animators and storytellers are regarded. Throwing money at the problem won't do a thing to change that."

      No, but throwing Steve Jobs at it as the largest stockholder, would certainly change that.

      I don't think Jobs would tolerate that kind of fuckwittedness in middle management. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney undergoes a significant purge.

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    8. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by cptgrudge · · Score: 3, Funny
      Disney could use a little dose of the magic dust Steve's been sprinking around Cuppertino.

      By "magic dust" you mean, "reality distortion field", right?

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    9. Re:Good luck to Steve J... by sorak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nobody deserves a few billion bucks more than he does, the way I figure it. If he manages to pull Disney out of their spiral of mediocrity, he'll have earned every penny...

      And he's going to do that by handing them a better company and allowing them to show their logo at the beginning of each film?

  2. this sucks by Hank+Chinaski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now we will see Nemo 2, Nemo 3 (dvd only release) and a Nemo tv series, with each one getting a little crappier. Same for all other Pixar films.

    Disney will milk the IP till the cow dies and will probably not fund development of new IP.

    1) Buy Pixar
    2) Milk IP
    3) Short-time profit

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    1. Re:this sucks by Voltageaav · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As Jobs is still the largest stockholder of the company, how many changes will really take place?

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    2. Re:this sucks by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As Jobs is still the largest stockholder of the company, how many changes will really take place?

      Unless I've totally misread the story, Disney will now be the sole owner of Pixar. Jobs will now (not still) be the single largest shareholder in Disney. That doesn't mean that he necessarily has the power to change its entrenched culture. I doubt he has anything like enough of a shreholding to replace the existing management, or to plausibly theaten to.

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    3. Re:this sucks by Voltageaav · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Reguardless, he'll still have clout, and there's been talk of him being put on the board of Directors. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan200 6/nf20060120_2325_db016.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily

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    4. Re:this sucks by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now that Steve Jobs is the Majority Shareholder I expect iNemo

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    5. Re:this sucks by jeremymh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Disney already owned the rights to sequels to all of pixars' movies - they are already working on toy story 3 and if you asked me yesterday I would have not doubted that they would do similar with the rest of pixars top films.

      If anything, this could be good news as disney may not try to make the sequels themselves now that the relationship is "ok" with pixar again.

    6. Re:this sucks by Heembo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      More like Pixar employees running amok around Disney, with Jobs as the largest shareholder as their spirit guide. They are going to take over, just like the Next-tians took over Apples software division when Jobs returned. I For One, Welcome Jobs As Our Media Overlord.

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    7. Re:this sucks by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Informative
      Now that Steve Jobs is the Majority Shareholder

      "largest single shareholder" != "majority shareholder"

      If my math is right, Jobs will own about 7% of the company. That happens to be more than any other one person owns, but it's way short of a majority.

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    8. Re:this sucks by grahamlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What this *does* mean is that Pixar will make any sequels to Toy Story et al, rather than Disney trying to do it with some crappy in-house team. The terms of the contract for Pixar's first five movies was that Disney had the rights to the characters and any spinoffs, exclusively. That's still true, but now they can guarantee on Pixar being on board to make said spinoffs. Oh, and Cars might finally get released ;-)
      In other thoughts; does this sound like something we've seen before? Small Steve-owned company gets bought for vastly more than its market value by big failing company, Steve gets put in charge of big failing company, big failing company becomes big meteoric success company? Does the word NeXT spring to mind for anyone else?

    9. Re:this sucks by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, a "simple majority" is greater than 50%. Having a larger percentage than anyone else (but still less than 50%) is called a "plurality". There is no commonly accepted use of the word "majority" that would refer to 7%.

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    10. Re:this sucks by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting
      What this *does* mean is that Pixar will make any sequels to Toy Story et al, rather than Disney trying to do it with some crappy in-house team.
      Who cares? Look at Pixar's track record: Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars. The only sequel is Toy Story 2.

      Recycled "franchieses" aren't nearly so important to a company with some actual creativity. I'd much rather see Pixar given a free hand than chained to some sequel assembly line because somebody thinks it's 'safer.'

    11. Re:this sucks by el+cisne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I"m pretty sure there are quite a few laws against him holding the CEO position at both companies."

      You do know that Jobs has been CEO of both Pixar and Apple since 1998 or something when he officially took the CEO job at Apple, right? It might be more of a matter to the boards and shareholders voting whether it is "allowed", and maybe there is some legal thing to get around, I don't know, but apparently it is not the case that are not a lot of laws against someone being CEO of two separate companies.

    12. Re:this sucks by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, I've double-checked my accounting, and yours is way off. (Hint: he only owns half of Pixar, not the whole thing.) He'll own 6.2% of the combined Disney-plus-Pixar.

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    13. Re:this sucks by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Insightful
      True. On the other hand, at the time NeXT bought Apple there was a lot more than computers to Apple. Newton PDAs, clone licensing...I'm not suggesting that the same will happen with Disney, but perhaps some spinning-off might occur.

      Hardly, I'll remind you that the Newton was a total marketting failour, the clone licensing probably hurt Apple, and their public image more than helped it. Apple were ALL about desktop/laptop computers at that time Newton was a tiny exception that never took off.

      Now look it them today: they're at the forefront of the portable audio market, the biggest digital media distributer on the planet, the industry standard for video software (now with the new FCC requirements regarding closed captioning, even more so, since they're the only game in town that supports closed captioning). I'm not going to say that this was ALL Steve, but they wouldn't have gotten here without him. They're much less of a computer company now than before Steve was on board.

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    14. Re:this sucks by Heembo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jobs is not a Vegan, (from Wiki:) "Jobs is a pescetarian (not a vegetarian or vegan as is often claimed) -- although he does not eat mammalian meat, he reportedly eats fish from time to time."

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  3. "Bundling" tendencies will be interesting to see by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It will be interesting to see to what extent Jobs tries to "bundle" products, with the new market-power. For instance, will Disney-related animation software for children be available only for the Mac platform? Will a Disney DVD be included with the future iMac mini PVR/media box/whatever? etc.

  4. Quelle Horreur by ichin4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me be the first to say...

    NOOOOOOO!

    1. Re:Quelle Horreur by tcdk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, beat me to it! But let me echo it - I just have to:

      Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

      My son is two and a half and he's very much into animated movies. Nemo, Shrek (1+2), Toy Story (1+2), Winnie the Pooh (tons), Ice Age, Robots, etc, etc. Some of it a bit scary, so we are always by his side, so I've seen these movies a bazillion times.

      The ones that last (both for us as adults and for him) are the Pixar ones. You can watch these movies again and again and they stay funny, and you can find new deepts in them. The disney ones are usually okay, but they always play the emotion card a bit heavily, which gets old really fast (dreamworks and fox is rather uneven, but usually okay, too).

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    2. Re:Quelle Horreur by Bradee-oh! · · Score: 3, Funny

      I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your archaic pronunciation and translation. I believe the phrase you're looking for is -
       
        DO NOT WANT

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  5. Lamp by QBasicer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hopefully they won't do away with that Pixar lamp, I kind liked the little guy.

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    1. Re:Lamp by Shag · · Score: 5, Funny

      Luxo Jr? He'll survive. But they'll have to alter his image a little bit, so they can make a costume for someone to wear around Disneyworld.

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    2. Re:Lamp by Highrollr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just hire Kate Moss imo.

  6. my crystall ball... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...tells me that pixar is for sale in 10 years for 10m.

    on a sidenote, what happens to renderman?

  7. Might be OK by nighty5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As slashdot sees Disney as mostly evil, it should be noted that most of the sceptical activities of Disney can be attributed to one man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eisner.

    I have a good feeling about the new CEO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Iger

    Read up on these completely different management styles and then take a look at Disney again. Iger was responsible for talks to continue with Pixar, so its no suprise that it might lead to this.

    1. Re:Might be OK by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Disney has been evil from the beginning, even when it was being run by Walt himself.

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    2. Re:Might be OK by jeffehobbs · · Score: 4, Funny


      ...yeah, but how does Walt Disney's cyrogenically frozen head feel about the merger?

      ~jeff

    3. Re:Might be OK by JayBlalock · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't be too excited. Bob Iger was Eisner's little lackey for more than a decade, and that's his biggest claim to fame. He got the job mainly because he and Eisner had squeezed out (or pissed off) everyone else more qualified.

      I think the simple fact of being Not Eisner will give him some help in dealing with those that Eisner alienated, but I'm expecting no major shifts in Disney policy or much of a reduction in its general trend towards heat death.

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    4. Re:Might be OK by vjmurphy · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...yeah, but how does Walt Disney's cyrogenically frozen head feel about the merger?"

      Initially, I suspect he'll be cold to the idea, but I think that will thaw after a while.

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    5. Re:Might be OK by johncadengo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Disney has been evil from the beginning, even when it was being run by Walt himself.

      I was a bit in doubt of your statement, but then I went to wikipedia and looked up his biography and read this: Walt Disney is particularly noted for being a successful storyteller, a hands-on film producer, and a popular showman. He and his staff created a number of the world's most popular animated properties, including the one many consider Disney's alter ego, Mickey Mouse.

      Anyone with an "alter ego" must be inherently evil.

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    6. Re:Might be OK by DieByWire · · Score: 2, Funny
      Initially, I suspect he'll be cold to the idea, but I think that will thaw after a while.

      And then the creative juices will get flowing again.

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  8. the parallels are interesting by eobanb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The parallels here are almost amusingly similar to when Apple bought NeXT, ten years ago. Because so much of NeXT's advanced technology essentially displaced Apple's own struggling and dated codebase for the Mac OS to become Mac OS X, and Steve Jobs' own idea of a trimmed and stylish product line replaced the beige box Power Mac (insert four-digit number here), many industry analysts joked that 'NeXT had bought Apple for negative $400 million.'

    Look at what's happening now! Like NeXT, one of Steve's projects, was bought by Apple, and its technology incorporated into the company to revamp its product line, Pixar, again a project of Steve, may very well save Disney. For the purists that either hate to see Disney's long-lived traditional animation replaced by computer 3D rendering, or fear that Disney will mishandle Pixar's talent and resources and bring an unfortunate end to the latter studio's remarkably successful run of films, consider two facts: since this isn't a hostile takeover, clearly the folks in charge at Pixar, Steve Jobs included, believe that this will be as good for Pixar as it will be for Disney. They wouldn't be doing this if they thought that Disney was going to ruin them. Also consider now that Steve Jobs is the largest shareholder at Disney. That really carries some weight. Steve has a reputation for getting what he wants, and I also don't doubt that he made this deal without knowing he would have a significant say in Disney's direction.

    So really, guys, calm down! Just imagine the headline read, 'Pixar buys Disney for -$7 billion.'

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    1. Re:the parallels are interesting by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...and that's what's so ominous about this. Between Disney and Apple, Steve Jobs is shaping up to be a bigger DRM lord than Bill Gates.

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    2. Re:the parallels are interesting by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 3, Funny

      So in other words, Steve Jobs, who owns a plurality of Disney, sold himself his own company? That is pretty funny.

    3. Re:the parallels are interesting by jacksonj04 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They *used* to employ people to hand-draw cartoons. They used to be bloody good quality too, just take a look at something like Beauty and the Beast. Then compare it to Tarzan or Lilo & Stitch, and you'll see that Disney clearly no longer employ as much talent as they did before.

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    4. Re:the parallels are interesting by shinma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What?

      Lilo & Stitch is an excellent movie, and it even went back to using the watercolor backgrounds that made Disney's movies so lush.

      Lilo & Stitch is, if anything, the last real Disney movie. It was made by a small team out on their own, without any of the beaurocratic nonsense that ruined movies like Treasure Planet. It's how Disney SHOULD make movies. It's too bad they've tried to run the Lilo & Stitch property into the ground with the sequels and TV series...

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  9. the big question by nuckin+futs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He now might have the single largest share in Disney, but does he still have enough shares to become a factor? Over at Pixar, he controlled a little over 50% of the share, which meant his vote overrides the other shareholders' votes. will it still be the same at Disney or will he become a non-factor in making decisions?

    1. Re:the big question by Jacob+Moogberg · · Score: 5, Informative

      Steve Jobs has little to no creative input concerning Pixar: John Lasseter is in charge. The last time Jobs tried to interfere with the filmmakers choices was just after the first private screening of a finished "Toy Story". Jobs hated the score by Randy Newman and wanted to replace it. Lasseter and the other guys stood by the Newman score and songs, which brought "Toy Story" an Oscar nomination and Newman four additional scores for Pixar. Jobs has an office at Pixar but he's never there. A documentary about the old Pixar headquarters around the "Monsters Inc." release (2001) showed an empty office with just a desk and a PC, not a Mac. Lasseter even jokes about the room, the least crowded area at Pixar. As a sidenote, this footage about the office could be seen on videos part of the original EPK: the "Monsters, Inc." DVD includes the same documentary but the footage is missing. (The explanation for the PC is that Jobs, after his return to Apple, didn't use a Mac running Mac OS 8 or 9 for himself. He still had a PC running OpenStep instead. When Mac OS X became the system of choice, he switched to the Mac.) On the other hand, Jobs plays the main part concerning business deals with Disney and other partners (Intel for the rendering part, for instance) and his input has been more than valuable to Pixar. Jobs and Pixar both run the company. If a deal is closed with Disney, Lasseter must be a part of it, because Pixar wouldn't be Pixar without him. So, I guess a term of the deal would be to grant Lasseter artistic direction of the whole departmetn. Else, there's no guarantee that Pixar future projects won't suck as much as most of Disney releases.

  10. In other news... by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve Jobs will begin designing rides at Disneyland. You know there will be an acid trip ride, something Alice and Wonderland style. I can't wait.

    1. Re:In other news... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't wait to go on the Reality Distortion Coaster...

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    2. Re:In other news... by bwalling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Steve Jobs will begin designing rides at Disneyland. You know there will be an acid trip ride, something Alice and Wonderland style. I can't wait.

      You mean like Mr Toad's Wild Ride?

  11. Pixar and Disney by walnut_tree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is quite a development! I suspect that Pixar will continue to operate (largely) autonomously, but there will undoubtedly be a good deal of knowledge sharing between Disney and Pixar. John Lasseter has often expressed his admiration for Disney's animators and their pioneering role in developing the medium. While there might seem to be a lot of enmity between the two companies, I suspect there's also a lot of mutual respect between the artists at both studios.

    People may not like the management decisions made by Disney (which have often dictated the direction of their films) but the company still employs a great many talented artists. And of course, Pixar continues to benefit from Disney's considerable marketing muscle - few other companies know how to so thoroughly milk their products for every cent they can get (and I don't say that as praise).

  12. Disney empire by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep in mind that the Disney empire also includes ABC, ESPN, the go.com network, as well as a bunch of movie studio (Touchstone, Miramax, Dimension) and record company imprints. Several of these operate somewhat autonomously, but Jobs will have some say in things as the single largest shareholder in Disney. Gates wants to control the living room. Jobs will control the living room.

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  13. Jobs doesn't make $3.5bn by ottffssent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This deal doesn't make Jobs $3.5bn, as the article claims. It barely makes him any money at all.

    Pixar's market cap is just a hair under $7bn, about half of which Jobs owns. Disney is buying all $7bn worth of Pixar stock with $7bn worth of Disney stock. So Jobs isn't making any money, he's just changing the name on part of his stock portfolio (Disney's buy is a bit above market value for Pixar, so he does make SOME money, on the order of 1% of the $3.5bn the article mentions). He's also going from being a 50% owner of a $7bn company to a 14% owner of a $50bn company.

    So maybe Jobs thinks he can get in and infect Disney with Pixarness and save it. Maybe he just wants to cash out and do something else, and figures he can sell 14% of Disney a lot easier than he can sell half of Pixer. Could be he thinks Pixar will do better with Disney behind it than with Disney as an enemy. Possibly there's another explanation. Let the speculation continue - we'll know in a few years what the plan was and whether it worked or not.

    1. Re:Jobs doesn't make $3.5bn by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Interesting
      He's also going from being a 50% owner of a $7bn company to a 14% owner of a $50bn company.

      If Jobs went from owning $3.5billion worth of Pixar to owning 14% of Disney, that would mean he just made $3.5billion, because 14% of a ~$50billion company is about $7billion. I'm no accountant, so someone correct me if I'm figuring this the wrong way (does the market cap of Pixar get added to Disney's?), but I think his share of Disney is actually only 7%.

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    2. Re:Jobs doesn't make $3.5bn by greginnj · · Score: 5, Informative

      The way deals of this size are accomplished is a 'stock swap'. For simplicity's sake, let's say that the deal goes down at the market price of Pixar's shares on the day of the deal. Before the deal, you own $10,000 of Pixar; after the deal, you own $10,000 of (Pixar + Disney). Similarly, someone who had $10,000 of Disney prior to the deal would have $10,000 of (Pixar + Disney).

      The gory details are that Disney writes new shares equivalent in value to the value it's assigned to the acquisition of Pixar, and 'swaps' those Disney shares for Pixar shares (effectively removing them from the market). The value of Pixar is added to the value of Disney (that's the +$7bn), but no new value is created. All Pixar shareholders are now (Disney + Pixar) shareholders; they have a same-value piece of a larger pie. Their slice is 'thinner' -- a smaller percentage; Jobs goes from 50% of Pixar to 7% of (Disney + Pixar). Similarly for Disney shareholders, but not as big of a percentage drop since Disney's valuation prior to the deal was closer to that of the combined entity.

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  14. Ok, what happens to Renderman now? by sgant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is Disney going to keep selling PRman and PRman for Maya plug-ins? Will Catmull continue on with them? What's this all mean for Renderman? Will the software side split off into their own business?

    I should say that the golden age of CG movies are now over. Now come the crap movies...the "me too" movies.

    Honestly, has anyone really seen anything coming out that even remotely looks interesting? Chicken Little(already out last year)? Ice Age 2? Cars? Open Season? Over the Hedge? Any of these really grabbing you? How about Valiant(also out I believe...or did it go straight to video)? Or The Ant Bully? These are all coming out in the next few months. Have I missed any? Oh, forgot Hoodwinked, and Monster House.

    Ah, the old Hollywood adage. If you can't make a buck with quality, then make it with quantity. "Teh peoples want teh CG! We gives them teh CG!"

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    1. Re:Ok, what happens to Renderman now? by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I should say that the golden age of CG movies are now over.

      That's a bit melodramatic, don't you think?

      Now come the crap movies...the "me too" movies.

      They're already here.. Didn't you hear about "Antz", the knock-off of "A Bug's Life"?

      CGI is new tool. Some great movies will be made with it, and a probably a lot of crap, too. Take a look at some of the lesser movies that were being made at the same time as Citizen Kane. Did they keep Orson Wells from making his masterpiece?

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Ok, what happens to Renderman now? by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Didn't you hear about "Antz", the knock-off of "A Bug's Life"?
      Are you kidding? "A Bug's Life" was a knock-off of "Antz"! "A Bug's Life" was just a normal shallow Disney kiddie movie, but "Antz" had actual depth and social commentary (which, of course, is why "A Bug's Life" was more popular among the idiot masses).
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    3. Re:Ok, what happens to Renderman now? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny

      CGI is new tool. Some great movies will be made with it

      Sure, I can see them now "Perl of the Orient" "Firewall Apache" and the classic "Slashdotted: As the Sun Went Down"

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    4. Re:Ok, what happens to Renderman now? by tonywong · · Score: 4, Informative

      You must work for Dreamworks.

      Here's a decent accounting of what happened between "A Bug's Life" and "Antz".

      http://www.businessweek.com/1998/47/b3605013.htm

      Too lazy to use html, it's Sunday.

    5. Re:Ok, what happens to Renderman now? by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're already here.. Didn't you hear about "Antz", the knock-off of "A Bug's Life"?

      No, that's different. That's a *competing* film, since it was made and released at about the same time. In much the same way that "Armageddon" was made at the same time as "Deep Impact". There's lots of movies that get made this way, and they're not knockoffs because that would imply that the first (better) movie was made first, made lots of money, and got academy awards well before the knockoff was made.

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  15. This will be a day long remembered. by QuatermassX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although people might bemoan the takeover of one of the brightest purveyors of mainstream American filmmaking by the almighty Mouse, I can' help but think this is a good thing for all involved. Pixar has reached the pinnacle of their influence in the industry through a series of (mostly) brilliant hit films. I'm sure Jobs and Lassiter think the only way for their company to grow is to grow outward - take over the Mouse and whip it into shape. Jobs performed miracles with Apple. I really hope he and John LAssiter can bring intelligent and fun pop moviemaking back to Disney. And I would think this puts his other venture, Apple, into very sure waters in the content distribution marketplace. With whom does Disney partner now? I'm damn curious to see how it all shakes out!

  16. MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it weren't for the assholes at Disney (and the *AA), you'd already be able to have Steamboat Willie on your iPod, for free!

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    1. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now remember kids, corporations are artists too. As long as a corporation is legally treated as a human being and considered able to create 'art', its copyrights will be as eternal as its own legalese life. How can your copyrights expire if you can never die?

      Just mentioning the obvious - with the right argument, anything that has copyrights or trademarks with a corporate name on them will be safe for the rest of eternity.

    2. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Informative
      As long as a corporation is legally treated as a human being.

      Except that copyright law explicitly does not treat corporations like natural people. For human-authored works, the term is life + 70 years. For corporation-authored works, the term is 120 years from the date of their creation, regardless of whether the corporation "dies" or not.

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    3. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That may be true now, but I'm sure that in 1942 (i.e., 1928 + 14 years, the length the copyright term was was originally intended to be) it would have been much easier and cheaper to make a high-quality copy. Moreover, since everyone would be free to have a copy then, we'd have plenty of backups today.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    4. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great, now look what you've done... you've just proven that Walt IS preserved in some Disney vault... and will live forever!!

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    5. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm sure that in 1942 (i.e., 1928 + 14 years, the length the copyright term was was originally intended to be) it would have been much easier and cheaper to make a high-quality copy. Moreover, since everyone would be free to have a copy then, we'd have plenty of backups today

      U.S. copyright was extended to 28 years in 1831 and the option to renew extended to 28 years in 1909.

      Film conservation in the U.S. begins with New York's Museum of Modern Art in 1935. Iris Barry: American Film Archive Pioneer "It is estimated that 75% of all silent films and 50% of all sound films made before 1950 are lost." (1992)

      In 1942 the only safe and (marginally) practical means for home distribution was 8 and 16 mm projection. A steep step downward from a 35 mm nitrate master. Those of you who remember Blackhawk Films will know the cost of building a significant collection.

    6. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If the current copyright laws had been in effect in the 30's and 40's, much of the Disney archive wouldn't exist, having been ripped off from 19th-century authors like the Brothers Grimm

      What matters, ultimately, is Disney's unique interpretation of the story. Might as well complain about Rogers and Hammerstein's take on "Cinderella" or Tim Burton's "Corpse Bride." "Tales as old as rhyme" and all of that.

    7. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by ccmay · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What matters, ultimately, is Disney's unique interpretation of the story.

      Well of course, I am not objecting to Disney's right to do that. However, if the shoe were on the other foot, and I tried to do my own "unique interpretation" of Mickey Mouse, I'd hear from Disney's lawyers before sundown.

      Every time Mickey Mouse gets almost old enough to fall into the public domain, Disney has paid off politicians to the tune of millions of dollars, and in return they have gotten repeated extensions of the duration of copyright protection. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of their position, and noting that much of what they have done in the past would have been illegal if the copyright protections they have received in recent times were in effect in those days.

      -ccm

      --
      Too much Law; not enough Order.
    8. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by spectre_240sx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but that tree already kicked his ass for us so we have to find someone else to be annoyed at.

    9. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For human-authored works, the term is life + 70 years. For corporation-authored works, the term is 120 years from the date of their creation, regardless of whether the corporation "dies" or not.

      Sure, after the Sonny Bono act extended the copyright. It used to be somewhat shorter (80 years, I think). What I don't get is how Congress justifies retroactive extension of copyright. Copyright on new stuff I can see, but changing the rules of the game like this is indefensible. It runs against the stated purpose of Copyright: those works are already made. Extending their term won't encourage someone to make more, nor will it enrich the public domain.

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    10. Re:MOD PARENT +INF INSIGHTFUL! by burndive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not the cost to consumers that bothers me, it's the control and the restrictions on derivative works. If I want to use part of steamboat willie in my music video, I can't do so without lisencing the footage from Disney. Works that are that old and have survived are a part of our cultural heritage, and they need to be liberated from the deathgrip that the original creators have gained based on a constitutional provision to grant them temporary monopolies in order to foster the arts.

      Lengthy terms of copyright tend to restrict the creation of new works, particularly dirivative works, which it turns out most Disney movies are.

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      ...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
  17. Too much focus on Jobs by namekuseijin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think much of the success of Pixar is due to Steve Jobs.

    Rather, the main man over there is John Lasseter, the legendary animator directly responsible for some of the companies most memorable movies. Would Pixar be anywhere today wasn't it for the brilliant movies?

    Jobs is just this one guy who sees ahead better than most and invest in people who can make it happen, like Lasseter or Wozniak...

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    I don't feel like it...
    1. Re:Too much focus on Jobs by cowscows · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't doubt that Disney had some brilliant creative minds working for them. Sadly, it's quite easy for a management system to pretty much crush and creative productivity, simply because management tends to control the cash flow. Do a little googling, it's not hard to find first hand accounts of artists explaining how miserable Disney made it to work for them.

      There are plenty of good ideas out there for movies. There are tons of good stories waiting to be told. There are plenty of people who would love to tell those stories. There aren't many companies out there willing to give those people free reign and fund them.

      Lasseter has done some amazing work, for sure, but I'll bet he'll give Steve Jobs plenty of credit, and not because he's worried about keeping his job.

      --

      One time I threw a brick at a duck.

    2. Re:Too much focus on Jobs by openfrog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jobs is just this one guy who sees ahead better than most and invest in people who can make it happen

      Isn't that precisely what the role of a CEO is?

    3. Re:Too much focus on Jobs by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is very true. John Lassetter, Ed Catmull, Eben Otsbey, Alvy Ray Smith, David DiFrancesco, Tom Duff, Malcolm Blanchard and George Lucas were Pixars real pioneers.

      They're the ones who deserve credit for Pixar's success. These guys gave us the Zbuffer, Texture mapping, and so much more. Almost everything we know today... these guys had a hand in. Their artistic vision in a fledgling technical realm is also unique to them thanks to John Lassetter, and George Lucas.

      You have to realize that from the start... Pixar were pioneers. It's easy to pass the name Pixar around as a company these days... "Disney buys Pixar... blah blah blah"

      But Pixar deserves to be its own entity as Disney once was.

      I wish Lucas had not sold Pixar... But then again i'm glad Jobs was there to buy it up. I'm glad Lassetter was able to keep Jobs from sticking his maniacal self into the Pixar day to day.

      Hopefully with Jobs being a major share holder in Disney, he can keep DISNEY from screwing up Pixar. John Lassetter (a former disney animator) has a challenge on his hands... and its the same old challenge he's had for sometime now. And that is to keep the suits out of his fun world. If you seen his studio (And i have friends that work there) you will be reminded of old disney. Where artists play, create, and have fun. It's not a corperate labarynth of cubicals. It's a kindergarten, as it should be.

      As a 3d animator myself... the challenge has always been about staying young and vibrant, full of ideas and having fun while keeping the suits out of your day to day because they dont understand the culture.

      Today's Disney is not the old Disney. I have family members who work for Disney broadcasting in fairly high positions and its a nightmare in many respects. Disney has all but destroyed their 2d artist division that made Disney... well Disney.

      Disney is a buisness... as much as you can say Pixar is a buisness... It's really not run like a buisness. Actually I should say that Pixar is run how a buisness should be run because it takes care of its employees because Pixar is its employees.

      Disney doesnt look at the world this way. Disney is its companies not its employees. Disney is not its 2d animation anymore. Disney is its "brands". Look at teh falling out of Miramax (the Wiensteins) and Disney. Miramax could very well be considered a film making company that had a mission to deliver a certain quality film, unique to itself. Very much like Pixar.

      Anyways... The point is: Pixar will hopefully be untouched. Jobs may be able to help continue the Pixar "island" in the corperate world. I wrote ealier on slashdot about how Jobs and Lassetter really have different mindsets and John wants to keep Pixar intact and run under his own idea of how the pixar culture should be.

      I fear that Disney will take over Pixar and change it. Disney is buying Pixar because of the BRAND name that is Pixar because Disney cant compete in the 3d animation realm. Dont think for one moment, that if Disney had the chance... they would kill off the Pixar name and Pixar would become "Disney Animation"

      Thats what we all fear the most. Something unique, beautiful and creative being lost in the typical corperate world of greed.

      I hope John, Ed, Alvy and whoever still remains at pixar from the old founders... gets a good stake in disney as well. I fear that they do not.

      This is how the corperate world treats Pioneers.

  18. Steve Jobs is by Centurix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Loaded. In his house is a giant walk in wardrobe with a long line of turtle-neck sweaters, you fight through it all and at the back is a snow filled landscape where iPods grow on trees.

    You see Steve Wozniak talking to a CGI lion on the technical production of blue boxes. In the background is a giant Intel factory, where little orange men are packing new iMacs into crates marked Nigeria...

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    Task Mangler
  19. Which corporation will change which? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, is Disney buying Pixar to incorporate their technology and mine their library of characters for licensing, or is Pixar infecting Disney with their understanding of the need for story to take priority over marketing? Given the nauseating uses to which Disney has put the Muppets, I am betting on the former. *sigh*

    An apocryphal comment that I heard years ago: the "flavor" of Disney's corporate products was so numbing and restrictive that creative types within Disney referred to the place as "Mauschwitz." :-)

    Oops, does Godwin's Law apply to SlashDot? If so, the discussion is over, move along to the next article, nothing to read here....

  20. No $7bn takeover by gnasher719 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Market caps of Pixar is $6.95bn. There will be no $7bn takeover. Maybe a $10bn takeover, but not $7bn.

  21. How will this affect the Studio Ghibli deal? by patiwat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I personally feel that most of Disney's original animation over the past decade has been mediocre at best, and therefore don't really care about what the Disney/Pixar reverse acquisition will mean for animation quality.


    What I am concerned about is how the deal will affect the Studio Ghibli/Disney distribution deal. For many years, Disney has had wide distribution rights over Ghibli works. Sometimes this has worked out for the better (the heavily promoted Spirited Away), and sometimes not so well (Miramax requested, but was denied, many edits in Princess Mononoke).


    A closer connection between Pixar and Disney will probably not harm Ghibli. It was noted that John Lasseter (founder of Pixar) had given very strong support to Spirited Away, and was a key driver of what success that movie had in North America. A closer connection between Pixar and Ghibli will probably result in an even stronger benefit.


    Now, on notes of pure speculation, how might the Pixar/Disney merger benefit Ghibli going forward? Could we expect Miyazaki-animated short films (currently limited in distribution to the Ghibli Museum in Mitaka City, Tokyo) put on sale on the iTunes Video Store? Or maybe distribution of older classic Ghibli films? Imaging having a copy of Gauche the Cellist on your iPod to perk you up on those cloudy days of life. Or how about strong promotion and wide distribution of the forthcoming Tales from Earthsea? With the combination of a a imaginative and sensitive director like Goro Miyazaki and effective marketing, I can't imagine how Earthsea wouldn't become a major blockbluster.


    What else would you like to see come out of the Studio Ghibli/Disney/Pixar deal?

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    1. Re:How will this affect the Studio Ghibli deal? by patiwat · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the excellent The Disney-Tokuma Deal page at Nausicaa.net:


      Will Disney modify (i.e. cut scenes from) these films?

      No. This will not happen. Disney can not cut even one second from the films, according to the contract. Ghibli has officially stated that "With Disney's commitment to maintain the quality of the original titles, there will be no changes to music and sequences in foreign language versions." According to Mr. Suzuki, the producer of Ghibli, other companies such as Fox and Time-Warner contacted Tokuma, but Disney was the only company willing to agree to this condition, and that was the main reason why Tokuma chose Disney as a partner.

      The term means that Disney can not touch the films, but that does not prevent Disney from asking Ghibli to cut or change the contents of the film, as Tokuma and Ghibli retains the editing right. In an interview, Mr. Suzuki said that Miramax faxed Ghibli, asking if they could cut several scenes from "Mononoke Hime". But nothing was cut from Mononoke Hime (Princess Mononoke).


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  22. Disney died when they fired Roy by MindPrison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My gripe with the Disney company is that the current management promised that they would invest more in motion pictures than animation.

    Roy Disney where one of the last in the Disney family that was still in the studio and he wanted to push animation forward. He was also the first one to oppose the management suggestions to drop Pixar and let them "off" to sail their own sea. Big mistake, Roy knew it - and due to the management maximum age policy got laid off. Another big mistake.

    Not more than a year later - the Disney 2D department where subject to severe reduction and closedowns, 80 percent of the animation staff where dismissed due to the decline in success for 2D-animated feature films, strange - when you think of that they just dismissed Pixar back then.

    Now the management realize they have made a BIG boo-boo and desperately hook into Pixar again.

    See why I worry? With management like that - and as an Animator myself - I do worry!

    --
    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
    1. Re:Disney died when they fired Roy by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, this merger sounds like that Roy Disney is backing Steve Jobs to get it done.

      Unlike Michael Eisner (who seemed to have alienated most everybody at Disney), Robert Iger--who has far better relations with Roy Disney--wants to mend fences to save the company, and if that includes a merger with Pixar, so be it.

      This merger could put John Lasseter in overall charge of all Disney animation divisions, and that could set the stage for a major revival of Disney animated features and TV shows.

  23. Pooh by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My son is two and a half and he's very much into animated movies. Nemo, Shrek (1+2), Toy Story (1+2), Winnie the Pooh (tons)

    Just an aside: my daughter is a bit older, and I picked up a copy of "The House at Pooh Corner" for her. It (the original book by AA Milne) was so much better than the simpering Disneyfied versions you see in hundreds of illustrated books. Easy to read, yet full of subtle humour and wordplay. This I've found is a general rule: Disney cartoons are fine, but avoid their literature; go to the source.

  24. Copyright extension by openfrog · · Score: 2

    That's a very good point to bring in. Perhaps if Disney produces new material, quality material, they will not depend so much on the old, and that would be one thing out of the way for a push for a public domain oriented reform of copyright law.

    Content companies are beginning to understand what having a good reputation as corporates citizen means. That is certainly one thing Steve Jobs knows, and the board who decided to buy Pixar have taken decided so in full knowledge on what effect this style of management had on the fortune of Apple.

    1. Re:Copyright extension by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Corporate citizens?" "Corporate CITIZENS?!?!" What. The. FUCK, man!

      The day corporations become citizens is the day I start rooting for the terrorists!!

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  25. Re:Considering by bogado · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I actually agree with you, antz and bug's life are two very diferent movies, with one thing in common they both use ants and insects as characters. I like them both, but in defending the grand-parents, I could bet that antz only got out of the paper because dumb big money "we should do only what is certain" producers thougth that this was kind of going in the same direction others (pixar) are going to.

    The people who give the "green light" to movies are business people, much like those suits you see in your company and I would bet that with very little exceptions they are dumb, very little creative and understand very little of what people really want to see. If we do get an ocasional very good blockbuster like the lord of the rings or the spiderman series and other is only because there are very good directors, screen players and other people that are very briliant and are willing to figth those guys.

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    ^[:wq

  26. Re:Does not compute by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny

    What now? It's Chinatown!

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    ... and then they built the supercollider.
  27. Disney's buying John Lassater et al by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They don't want him to leave.

    I'd be surprised if there is significant change at Pixar.

    If there is, you can count in seconds how long it would take for someone to offer John Lassater an animation studio of his own. Heck, with the profits from this, Lassater can probably finance his own movie if he really wants, and he'd drag half Pixar's crew along with him.

    That's why things won't change. Well, maybe they will. I'm betting everyone gets raises.

    Steve Jobs is a great man, but in Pixar his primary responsibilty was negotiating great contracts. Let's hope this is another one of them.

    As for Steve taking over Disney, I don't think it's impossible, but I'm hoping he keeps focus on Apple, where - as we all know - he's been doing great.

    I do think Steve's likely to become an influential advisor and board member, but probably not CEO. Remember, John Lassater and friends basically ran Pixar, which is why Jobs could be CEO of two companies and preserve excellence. I don't think he could do that with Disney.

    D

  28. Re:Considering by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we do get an ocasional very good blockbuster like the lord of the rings or the spiderman series and other is only because there are very good directors, screen players and other people that are very briliant and are willing to figth those guys.

    And let's not forget that Disney had the opportunity to do LOTR, but passed on it...

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  29. It is a majority... by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    for particularly large values of 7.

  30. Re:bye-bye Minnie by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean that Disney cartoons will only have one mouse?

    No, they'll still have many mice, but Mickey's red shorts will only have one button. ;)

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    I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
  31. Re:Actually. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the end of the day, Disney has no class. At one time it did have a lot of charm, and that made up for the lack of class, but under the last decade of Eisner's rule, it lost its charm, so that now it's a tacky, charmless uber-company that makes shitty, low-brow, uninspired entertainment. The real question here is whether or not Pixar will be left alone to do what it does best, or whether the imagination-stunted accountants that run Disney will indeed simply try to milk it.

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  32. John Lasseter saves Disney Animation. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think what will happen is that we will see John Lasseter take overall control of all Disney animation divisions.

    This is actually a GREAT idea, because the hallmark of Pixar is the great storytelling of their movies. Lasseter could even help Disney revive traditional animation at Disney, too.

    I think people forget that unlike Michael Eisner, Robert Iger tries to be as much hands off as possible, letting each Disney division run by their own managers. This means Mr. Lasseter will have free reign to rebuild Disney's animation tradition. (big thumbs up)

  33. Re:Corporate Citizens by lastchance_000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But they can't vote yet. At least not officially.

  34. Re:Really? How so? by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Walt's anti-union activities in the 30s is the stuff of evil, IMHO. His collaboration with the House Un-American Activities Committee was pretty despicable too.

  35. Re:You think the Matrix is creepy by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

    When will our savior come?

    All too soon, say Christian analysts. The EU constitution treaty was signed in Rome. Once it passes, the Roman Empire will be back, and once it grows to 666 million people, watch out. Read the prophecies of Daniel and Jeremiah and The Revelation of Jesus Christ for details.

  36. Chairs flying at Microsoft by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing I'm not seeing being discussed in the press is the fact that Bill Gates and Ballmer over at Microsoft must be pissed over this. They want to take over the living room, but now Jobs is part of Disney, who owns ABC, ESPN, Miramax, etc--he IS the living room. So he's got the content, and Apple will provide the means. Microsoft's road to the living room just got even tougher.

    I wonder if Ballmer will Fucking Kill (tm) Disney over this.

    --
    "Sufferin' succotash."
    1. Re:Chairs flying at Microsoft by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...Ballmer over at Microsoft must be pissed over this. They want to take over the living room...

      Better nail down the sofa, then!

    2. Re:Chairs flying at Microsoft by Basehart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I could never figure out why they got involved in the news business by creating MSNBC.

      Why not buy the Cartoon Channel instead and sell Xbox 360's, Napster and Rio MP3 players all day long for free!

      It must have seemed like a great idea in 95 when the Microsoft Total World Domination Machine was in full power. Taking on CNN and Fox News in a battle royale must have seemed like fun to King Gates.

      But to have it all fall apart at a time when their arch rival is pulling the World's biggest rug from under Microsoft in super slow motion must really hurt like hell!

  37. But what will happen to Bud Lucky?!?! by Teahouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gotta bound, bound, bound and rebound.

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    "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
  38. Re: Corporate Copyright terms by KwKSilver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For corporation-authored works, the term is 120 years from the date of their creation, regardless of whether the corporation "dies" or not.
    Only 120 yers for corporate copyright? The poor things, how dreadfully unfair! They should divert a river of cash and and army of crack-whores to Washinton D.C. to "fix" that. Where's Abramof when he'd needed? Singing or somthing?
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  39. "Corporate Personhood" by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Corporate citizens?" "Corporate CITIZENS?!?!" What. The. FUCK, man!

    The day corporations become citizens is the day I start rooting for the terrorists!!


    I hate to break it to you, but Corporations were given "personhood" (human rights) a very, VERY long time ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
  40. S.Jobs majority owner! No! 7% most single .... by tyrione · · Score: 2, Informative
    NEITHER!

    Let's get some basic math resolved. Steve Jobs owns 50.6% of a roughly $7 Billion publicly traded corporation, PIXAR. Assuming this rumor is fact and that the combined valuation of the merger is $60 Billion (Disney at $54 Billion + $7 Billion in Cash--no stock swap) then Steve owns no matter how you swing has (.506 x $7 Billion) / ($60 Billion Valuation at time of merger) = 5.9 % of DIXSNAR's/PIXNEY's total company value. If it is a stock swap then it becomes .506 x 7 / 53 = 6.68%: close but no cigar.

    Both Steve being majority owner and 7% as highest individual stock holder are incorrect. What is most pitiful is the fact that PIXAR built a brand new corporate headquarters a few years back, became the powerhouse in Software Animation Films for both content and presentation, publically denounced their partnership with Disney and publically focused on a new roadmap for this highly creative and technically sound corporation all just to merge with the enemy? Pathetic. Disney has everything to gain and PIXAR has everything to lose. Distribution channels that everyone brags about with Disney are overvalued, especially in the emerging distribution mechanisms gaining ground today--Podcasting/videocasting, etc.

    What I find most disturbing is the many enthusiasts discussing Steve Jobs becoming Disney's CEO and steering them like he has done with Apple. Get something straight. As Steve said, "Apple is my old girlfriend I haven't seen in 20 years but I want to give one more shot." PIXAR never was Steve's main focus. It was either NeXT or presently, Apple. He loves making the big partnerships but much prefers driving the mechanisms and tools that let the Producers produce over attempting to drive Producers and retool them into his Vision. He's best when he gives the creative minds the means to be their most creative, period. The day Steve would rather give a Keynote about "Goofy in the 21st Century" over "OS X Lion" will be when they take him away to the Insane Asylum.

    1. Re:S.Jobs majority owner! No! 7% most single .... by MacDust · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is possible that this could turn out the same way it did when Apple bought NeXT. Steve Jobs became the CEO. NeXT has been running Apple since the purchase, basically. Perhaps Pixar will be in charge of Disney. I can't see Jobs giving up his role at Pixar unless he has some power at Disney.

  41. Steve's Master Plan by Atomic+Frog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, I'm sure Steve has thought about the deal very, very carefully. The one reason why Pixar makes such great films is STORY, and Jobs knows it. (Compared to that other studio, SKG which churns out volume in the hopes of having a hit. No, really, Mr. K. said just that in an interview).

    I'm sure he makes sure he still has control over at least the Pixar unit. Pixar will be the only profitable unit and he knows it. What this does give him is control over Disney's vast media library.

    iTunes + Disney (guess which TV station Disney owns + many films which are not directly under the Disney name) content.

    Is it Disney buying out Pixar? Or Steve Jobs taking over Disney?
    Hahaha! World Domination!

  42. Re:Disney will now be the sole owner of Pixar by thparker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How can that be? What about the piece I own? It's only worth a few thousand but until they tear that stock from my fingers they won't be sole owner.

    I'm sure that, since you own stock, you're joking and do understand what will happen. But in case anyone doesn't understand this --

    Disney wants to acquire Pixar. Pixar's board (who nominally represent the shareholders) have said they're cool with this. There will be a shareholder vote. Since people in favor of this deal own A LOT of the Pixar stock, the deal will be approved and your Pixar stock will go away. In its place, you will be given Disney stock. You really won't have any say in the matter.

  43. Super Q by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And Jobs did it with one thing: Quality. And Marketing. Ok, two things.

    They invested a ton of effort to get an easy human computer interface, which got them the MAC. Jobs re-did that success to a degree with NeXT, which didn't pay off right away but got him even more money when NeXT becamse OSX. He bought Pixar while it was struggling, and helped drive it into one of the most creative, quality-focused entertainment companies in the world. The iPod was designed and re-designed and recieved constant feedback from Jobs himself... when was the last time you heard about Ballmer getting dirty in the trenches? Same with iTunes.

    Years ago Jobs and Apple realized that quality and clarity commanded a premium, and have been working dilligently to create and milk that. MS's strategy has been to crush the competition from a business legal standpoint. The former has made Jobs and Apple welcome in new areas and businesses, while the latter leaves Microsoft having an uphill battle every time it enters a new market.

    MSNBC was an interesting idea, but it didn't do anything better or more original than the competition.

    I'm glad to see that sometimes quality is rewarded.

    1. Re:Super Q by vonahsen · · Score: 5, Funny

      And Jobs did it with one thing: Quality. And Marketing. Ok, two things.

      and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....

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      I don't want to fit in, I just don't want to stand out
  44. Re:Really? How so? by jaseparlo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go and have a history lesson youngling. The activity of unions in the late 19th and first half of the 20th century brought you many of the things you presume to call rights in the modern era. Unions in the 30s were fighting against what would these days often be considered criminal neglect and exploitation. Your bias against modern unions is (probably) based on a very different kind of unionism to what Uncle Walt was against during the depression.

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    All available data suggest that regardless of any of this, the sun will still come up tomorrow.
  45. Dreamworks vs. Disney vs. Pixar by rossifer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No. It was like Nemo and Sharks Tale. Dreamworks decides to do a movie in the same theme as a contemporary Disney movie, but does so much much better but aimed at an older audience.

    I've seen both "Finding Nemo" and "Shark Tale", and I deeply and truly wish I hadn't spent the time seeing "Shark Tale". I understand that there's room in the world for all sorts of tastes, but I honestly don't see how anyone enjoyed "Shark Tale" more than "Finding Nemo".

    Antz was one of the first big non-Disney cartoons, and as such didn't do very well.

    Antz earned $75 million in domestic release, even more from DVD. It's done much better than it deserves (I don't care for late Woody Allen, nor did I think much of Antz).

    As an aside: until now, Pixar films have not been Disney films. Just like Miyazaki films are not Disney films. For Pixar films, Disney has been in charge of distribution (theaters and DVD's) and selling plush dolls, themed pajamas, and action figures. They haven't had a say in the movies, and that's probabaly been for the best.

    The last really good Disney animated film was "Lilo and Stitch" (4/5 Disney 2002).
    The rest has been dreck (and I include the very successful recent "Chicken Little" in that assessment).

    Here are my personal opinions on the movies of Pixar and Dreamworks Animation:

    Pixar:

    "Toy Story" just incredible and still fun to watch (5/5 Pixar 1995).
    "A Bug's Life" story, characters, great humor (young and old) (5/5 Pixar 1998).
    "Toy Story 2" a sequel better than the original (5/5 Pixar 1999).
    "Monster's Inc." more for kids than adults, still smart (4/5 Pixar 2001).
    "Finding Nemo" absolutely amazing (5/5 Pixar 2003).
    "The Incredibles" freaking awesome (5/5 Pixar 2004).

    Dreamworks Animation:

    "Prince of Egypt" good if you're into religious apologism... (1/5 Dreamworks 1998).
    "Antz" uh... well... I got nothing here. (1/5 Dreamworks 1998).
    "Chicken Run" off the charts hysterical (5/5 Dreamworks 2000).
    "The Road to El Dorado" still searching for characters, plot, etc. (1/5 Dreamworks 2000).
    "Shrek" damned funny, simple but solid story (4/5 Dreamworks 2001).
    "Spirit..." not much for adults here (2/5 Dreamworks 2002).
    "Shrek 2" to be gentle, abysmal (1/5 Dreamworks 2004).
    "Shark Tale" unfunny lowbrow humor (2/5 Dreamworks 2004).
    "Madagascar" had lots of laughs but the core story was weak (3/5 Dreamworks 2005).
    "W&G Curse of the Were-Rabbit" smart and funny (5/5 Dreamworks 2005).

    I think it's interesting to note the two best animated films that Dreamworks has made (IMNSHO) were both Aardvark productions, though the relationship between the two companies was different from "Chicken Run" to "...Were-Rabbit".

    Not until lately have people realised that Disney now suck and Dreamworks rocks. I call it post-Shrek :)

    Have to admit, I don't see it. Well, I understand that Disney Animation hasn't done anything decent in some time, but to say that Dreamworks has put up anything truly notable is a stretch. And Pixar has made substantially better films than either of them.

    Regards,
    Ross

  46. Muffins!!! by JackAxe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ye have a funny perspective on things... :)

    Have you been sleeping for twenty years? :) Apple is one of the most recognizable brands on the planet. They've always had a major role in media production and once again are dominating many production areas, besides 3D. Suddenly happened with the iMac back in 98.. Now I'm just going to ramble.

    I for one love my iPod. It does exactly what I want it to do, without the BS like the horrid Sony device I own along with others that were utter garbage all around. So if owning a device that works absolutely great and makes it extremely easy to get my CDs onto it in a format I like, even the CD's own format, then I'm a Pod Person. :p It has been a huge sucess for Apple, for more than 4 years now and has by far outsold even Sony's Walkman.

    And if you were refering to running Linux on an iPod? It has been done and available for some time now; http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinux/

    Pixar has been around for 2 decades now and pioneered many of the 3D techs that are used in various software packages and video cards. Toy Story is considered a classic. Their story telling and quality of production is second to none and they've managed to produced some of the best movies over the past decade. So I hope that this merger means that Disney will regain some of the magic it lost well over a decade ago.

    I for one would rather see Apple out front over most other companies. They do have their evil side, but they're not nearly as bad as others and have only made my life easier and more productive with their products. Consider the alterantive; Another company which has billions just to blow Balmer's nose has done very little to make our lives better and would eventually ilke to reach a point where we're all paying them a monthly fee and they're no longer innovating.

    Blah, I'm done rambling.

    <]=)

    -Make the internet a cleaner place, stop browsing with Internet Explorer.

  47. Ears Busting with Pod Buds. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Have you been sleeping for twenty years? :) Apple is one of the most recognizable brands on the planet. They've always had a major role in media production and once again are dominating many production areas, besides 3D. Suddenly happened with the iMac back in 98..

    Zzzz -whazzit- I'm AWAKE! What did you say?

    Oh. Well, there's a big difference between making cameras and making movies. Yeah, Apple has affected media production by selling tools, but now it's poised to cross the boundary in a somewhat more significant way than Buzzy Lightspeed, or whatever the character was called.

    Jobs/Apple makes a brand new and very proprietary medium; Miniature TV sets. Jobs/Disney owns a behemoth of distribution plus a hundred and one property-rights. Hence, Mickey Mouse will be on iPods everywhere. Complete with adverts. Go, America!

    I figure that, barring unforseen weirdness, it should only be a very short matter of time before the Pods will be part of the cell nets, with people eager to plunk down cash for high-speed access via microwaves. And then I'll have to shoot myself.

    The prospect of a fast-cooked society of people walking around with their eyes and ears filled with the tender messages of the Beast at all times makes me feel all gushy inside, --though not so much in a warm & fuzzy manner as in a 'filled with worms' sort of way. I find it fitting that Apple and Disney are positioning themselves to be largely responsible fuzzing out the minds of the entire Western populace with electronic cotton candy. They're both happy-happy-bliss-bliss kinds of companies with too much shiny plastic and annoying function-removing fool-proofing. "Don't worry about our proprietary rights management system. You just listen to your music and we'll take care of everything for you."

    Ugh.

    And who the heck likes wearing head-phones anyway? No, seriously. . !

    I never did like using Walkmans. They were certainly cool devices, but I could not stand having an artificial wall of noise separate me from reality. I only used my walkman because it seemed like the right thing to do after spending $200 on a portable tape player, but honestly. . . who actually feels good walking around in the world with their hearing deliberately rendered useless? Drove me bananas.


    -FL