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Adult Entertainment Antes Up In DRM War
At the recent adult entertainment awards, host Greg Fitzsimmons highlighted the deep relationship between the internet and pornography stating "'The Internet was completely funded by porn,' he said [...] And if it wasn't for the Internet, he added, 'you guys would be completely out of business.' The audience, packed with porn actors and adult entertainment moguls like Jenna Jameson and Larry Flynt, roared with laughter." Now it appears that the adult entertainment industry has chosen to ante up in the DRM battle as well. Some companies have chosen to take sides, like Digital Playground who will be supporting Sony's Blu-Ray. Others, like Vivid Entertainment, seem to think that the answer is diversity and will be supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
There is porn on the internet? :-O
Once a friend of mine commented that VHS was superior in quality to Betamax but that the only reason VHS won was because Sony refused to license porn on their format. Whether this is true or not is probably debatable. But now we see the industry vying for licenses to the porn industry for their new formats. Why? Perhaps Sony learned their lesson with Betamax ...
Ironically, I'm going to wager that Spongebob and Pikachu have more clout than Jenna Jameson and Larry Flynt in the format war. Because every child needs a babysitter and that babysitter always comes in the newest format.
My work here is dung.
This theory -- that porn was the "true" #1 force behind the VCR and the Internet -- has been repeated so many times that it's taken almost as a truism. But how true is it really? My personal experience suggests that people purchased Internet access for information and communication purposes, and that for the most part it was sites like Amazon that brought us e-commerce. Does anybody know of any research or science that backs up or refutes this claim?
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
And if it wasn't for the Internet, he added, 'you guys would be completely out of business.'
Somewhat true, but the porn industry has been VERY resourceful and has been able to use technology to their advantage for years. They were the first to really push deeply(bad pun intended) the DVD market.
The game sales are worse than UMD format movie sales, and every pron torrent site has PSP format stuff. Or so the guys told, I know none of it.
'Once scientists, even the dim-witted social scientists, get muzzled, the Western Civilization is finished.' - oldhack
Wait a sec. Aren't porn advocates always calmly arguing their point to the prudes that sex is a good and natural thing and everybody's enjoying themselves? They look like pillars of reasoning compared to the fundies. Now, wait! Someone's stealing their megahurtz!!!oneone. All of a sudden we have them screaming "Those immoral bastards!"
The circle is now complete.
I watched Orgasmo like, five times! I know what DVDA is... but what is DRM? --shudders--
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....with High Definition technology. Wow.
I would think that on a whole, the pornography industry would see The Internet as a love/hate relationship. Granted, it allows production and sales to a degree that wasn't fathomable for porn before, however, the mass filesharing means that one well off user can make off with tons of files from the site and host it else where. I mean, I guess it's good to know know that the love that the Internet has for porn is mutual, but wow, that's an awfully warm reception.
The only interactive, multiple-point-of-view DVD's I've seen were all pron. Almost like those sucky adult games the japanese make.
'Once scientists, even the dim-witted social scientists, get muzzled, the Western Civilization is finished.' - oldhack
does that mean porn is also the cause of all spyware and viruses on the net? Because I've heard most spyware and viruses come from "low reputation websites".
Just wondering.
I mean if some companies are supporting Blu-Ray, and others supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD... then it seems like the writing is on the wall.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Back in the early 80's there was very little access to pornography, particularly film.
Nowadays the situation is must less restricted and anyone with an internet connection can watch the filth of their choice with little difficulty and with no need of a media player. The internet distribution system is also a lot harder to censor.
One of the interesting things about the Blu-Ray announcement was that a key driver for the porn company was that PlayStation 3's will have drives built in. Is this an oblique way for calling PS3 players wankers?
I heard somewhere that there are three things that have a lot of popularity online.
1.) Porn
2.) UFOs
3.) Fantasy Football (more popular than porn during football season)
I think that he's very right to say that the internet is the only reason these people are in business. There are so many disgusting pieces of smut to feast your eyes on that it's actually amazing that we all get anything done online. It once was that you would go online and stumble on a couple porno sites. Now it has moved in every direction. There is 3D porn software, there are websites where you can watch girls in Austria get naked, there are websites where you can watch someone's grandmother get it from all sides. I personally don't like any of this stuff but it is truly what keeps the internet going. If it weren't for all these websites, successful or not, there would be a couple million unregistered domains and who knows how many horny men.
My point is that it's a good point that he makes.
I personally have seen internet porn and I have many friends who watch internet porn, however I don't know that many people who buy the DVD / Mags / VHS tapes. I would be interested to see the quality of a Blue-Ray / HD-DVD porn because I would imagine it would be amazing. So in my opinion moving to a high-def format would up physical sales but perhaps stunt online sales (due to long downloads)
What do you think?
Firefox 2.0 - Spell Rightly.
becaus I get my porn via $currentlyHypedP2PNet
Maybe we can start the tradition of handing over the porn collection from father to son.
*/me downloading new porn collection*
Grundgesetz * 23. Mai 1949 - 30. November 2007 - http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/
Others, like Vivid Entertainment, seem to think that the answer is diversity and will be supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
It figures that when given the choice, the Porn Industry would opt for a threesome.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
The web is a newcomer. The internet existed long before that. Usenet, email, gopher, ftp were the applications people were using and yes, distribution of porn was *very* popular.
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blueray is to betamax and HD-DVD is to VHS
I mean, come on:
"Yeah, the music rocked, but the grunts and moans weren't all they could have been."
-or-
"The plot was amazing! I never knew what was going to happen next!"
Here's why...
B====D~ ~ ~ O-:
I don't think anyone has broken Microsoft's WMV DRM.
You know, the one that requires you to connect to some server and get a license.
Anyways, I don't think 30GB dvd rips are exactly going to 'take off' on P2P networks. Even the DVD-R trading scene isn't that big.
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
This article appeared to be more along the lines of "Adult Entertainment Antes Up In the HD DVD Format War" than "Adult Entertainment Antes Up In DRM War".
I didn't even see "DRM" or "copy protection/prevention" in the entire article.
Was there another article to this that I missed?
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The Internet was completely funded by porn," he said from the stage of the 23rd annual AVN Awards show. And if it wasn't for the Internet, he added, "you guys would be completely out of business."
I think you have it the wrong way round, porn was completely funded by the Internet and if it wasn't for the Internet's distribution system you guys wouldn't have a medium to generate that $2.5 billion revenue, you'd still be relegated to the back rooms of selected video stores selling tapes and DVDs.
I must admit, I find it interesting how 'mainstream' identities love casting references to pornography as if it will get them brownie points on their target demographic.
.xxx [forcing adult onto one controlled platform]
'Porn does this..' - 'Porn did that'.
If it's loved so much (and it is), why is the industry constantly under attack?
Read: Obscenity laws [FBI raids on STORY sites]
Read: 2257 laws [Forcing primary content producers to release the ID, names and addresses of models]
Read:
etc etc etc.
Once the "officially DRM'd" industry realises that they can't lock people (or profit) into their content managment schemes - then they will come out saying we need to protect kids from pron, and we need to outlaw any porn that isn't digitaly signed "for, OH MY GOD, the sake of the children!". Hollywood, and big media, will then surely jump on the bandwagon, and it won't be long before they try to outlaw any content that is't DRM controlled.
This is not VHS vs BETA all over again, and porn is not the deciding factor.
1. The Key Difference between Blu-Ray/HDVD & VHS/Beta: Home Video Exists.
2. Porn is not the deciding factor, because content exists. In the Home Video industry infancy, none did - except for porn.
3. Blue-Ray will probably win due to computing convergence. (assuming relatively equal prices on a recording capacity basis)
When the Home Video Player war came out, there was no home video standard - and no home video content. Pornography drove the industry because there was no existing content, and people would (will) pay for porn videos. Since the movie industry was reluctant to make any move - the only content was porn. Perhaps VHS won because it was cheaper (lower cost for content providers), or becuase Sony really refused to license Betamax to Porn. In any case, at that time Porn was the content provider for the early home video industry. (Side note, I remember seeing Record size Video Disks of non-porn-Movies before ever seeing tapes. (I also remember that piracy was going to distroy the motion picutre industry.)
Today, the home video industry is a large (booming) industry. Tapes have been supplanted by Digital Disks for content providers, and for recording. I suspect that the key difference in who wins the Blue-Ray/DVD battle is going to be price. People were willing to pay $$$$ for video decks when none existed, but are unlikely to pay $$$$ for video that is only of improved quality. (See the takeup rates for HDTV)
The short version is that whomever can reach critical mass production & lower costs first wins. The key difference may be storage capacity for computers. Why, you ask, will computers be a key factor for a Home Video technology? Because the replacement of Computer Backup Tape drives may provide enough of a market to gain true Mass Production capacity first.
One of the claims why Sony lost the Beta/VHS battle was that it took two tapes for many movies. That is, it cost 2x to produce a Beta Tape set relative to a VHS set. This is not going to be a problem, as both camps are stating that they will have the capacity to put movies in HD with extras on their disks. Since Sony, et. al., are claiming that they will have much higher capacity for Blu-Ray, they will probably be used for computer backups in business systems. (You know, the Autoloaders that currently cost $15,000 & $100/tape) This will help Sony get the cost down faster. In the end, price matters & we are only talking about imporoved video. No one really cares if Sponge-Bob is in High Defination or not anyhow.
'The Internet was completely funded by porn,'
Perhaps, but IIRC all the Macrovision "picture enhancers" were sold so people could copy rented porn tapes.
Maybe in this case porn using the newest digital protections will cause a thriving black market for the newest cracks.
1st down and 10... I put on my robe and wizard hat....
>>Granted, it allows production and sales to a degree that wasn't fathomable for porn before, however, the mass filesharing means that one well off user can make off with tons of files from the site and host it else where.
Yah, but it also means that the wanker that likes the video he downloaded with [fill-in-bimbo-here] may go buy more of them with her in it. So the online stuff becomes an overlong commercial.
in a previous topic you bashed China over the fact that they displaced people to make a dam:
. stm
>Being allowed to move millions of people to build a dam or host an Olympics without the consent of the governed does wonders for the GDP!
and I replied with:
>in America, the government has (unconstitutionally) given the right to businesses to move people if the business will use the land for more profit and taxes.
here's an update:
"The ruling gave government the right to seize homes for "public benefit", where previously they could only be taken for "public use"."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4639374
I hope Americans will really pay attention to this kind of thing, it makes DRM seem like the most insignificant thing ever.
Both of those formats have DRM associated with them :/
See also: Microsoft & TCPA.
No one but ME should have the right to determine which programs I run on MY computer. And to whoever in our state or federal government who thinks otherwise, I submit that few will willingly comply with it.
...was founded on Star Wars, Star Trek, and pr0n. we all know how George Lucas feels about his stuff being spread around. the pr0n industry is following suit. if Gene Roddenberry were still around, i wonder if he would support putting a "broadcst flag" in Star Trek episodes.
It think this song sums it up nicely.
If this signature is witty enough, maybe somebody will like me.
Yeah, I meant "as". Sony backed blueray. Sony backed Betamax. History repeats itself.
(plus the manufacturing costs for HD-DVD are less, the manufacturing time is shorter, and it seems that more recording studios - the real manufacturers of media - seem to support HD-DVD. At least last I checked.)
I think the poster is confused. While the two "high def" formats use different DRM schemes, supporting one isn't a vote for their DRM, it's a vote for their format. The DRM comes along for the ride. Did I mention that I HATE DRM?
Dude. You owe me a keyboard!
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There is 3D porn software, there are websites where you can watch girls in Austria get naked, there are websites where you can watch someone's grandmother get it from all sides. I personally don't like any of this stuff [...]
For someone who doesn't like that stuff, those are some awfully specific examples.
Not that I'm implying anything.
...who thinks it's ironic that we'll see Blue Movies on a medium dubbed Blu-Ray?
Tim
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-568168227 5335461822&q=porn
Today it is a huge industry that is not as taboo as it once was. Its power and influence has given it the nickname "America's other Hollywood." A few years ago Frontline covered the industry in an episode entitled American Porn which you can watch online.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
So where does the DRM come into it? Whichever format they choose most porn studios are going to throw the switches to reach as large an audience as possible.
My personal experience suggests that people purchased Internet access for information and communication purposes, and that for the most part it was sites like Amazon that brought us e-commerce. Does anybody know of any research or science that backs up or refutes this claim?
I used to work at a computer shop and I'd give a guestimate thatn about 90% of the machines brought in had some type of porn on them.
Some of the likes, I wish I didn't see...
But the worst is when your dad asks you to fix his computer and the first thing you notice is his favorites and history.
My dad is pretty normal. He isn't a perv and is well adjusted in 28 years of marriage, but I guess everyone has to have some outlet... But I guess some of wish they were more discreet.
The problem with knowing the percentage of people who look at porn are never going to be accurate, but my assumption is that if you a male (gay or straight) and normally adjusted then you probaly look at porn regardless of if you are single, married, or have a regular girlfriend/boyfriend.
Whether you pay for it or get it for free is the only other question.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
The porn gods have spoken.
Falcon? Bel-Ami? Mustang? Studio2000? Maverick?
Yeah, I meant "as". Sony backed blueray. Sony backed Betamax. History repeats itself.
Sony noticed that trying to go it alone with Betamax was idiotic - so this time around they made sure to have the larger group of media companies on thier side. Not to mention also putting Blu-Ray in the PS3 which means an order of magnitude more players by the end of the year than HD-DVD offers.
Given that Blu-Ray will have more content (like VHS) and more players (like VHS), it would seem history will repeat itself - but HD-DVD is the Beta of this pair.
As for manufacturing costs, Blu-Ray discs cost the same as DVD's to make. There is a one time conversion cost for existing DVD presses but not all manufacturing plants are old, some are built every year.
Also you are very wrong about more studios supporting HD-DVD, Blu-Ray has more studios firmly in it's camp - seemingly now including the porn world as well.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
for a second there i thought these were some drm schemes i hadn't heard of.. only to search and find out these were gay porn publishers, doh! hope work didn't see that!
http://www.awwsheezy.com
I went on BBSes for porn and juarez back in the day before we had this new fangled Internet thing. And, I was always upgrading my modem, pushing for faster downloads.
The same is true when I started using the Internet on a modem, then DSL, then cable. It's all for my porn.
Sure I use the Internet for other things, but those are secondary.
The US Government did and then the telcos. Funding does not equal what it is used for.
The internet is an enabler for porn's continued funding.
It's a big cock ejaculating into someone's mouth.
God forbid I get modded Informative for this.
I've got a 100-inch front projection home theatre, with hi-def capability, and I assure you that porn (which I generally like) is NOT something you want to watch in large-format, hi-definition!
Think of the benefits that HD porn will offer:
"Wow, I never knew Jenna Jameson has all those in-grown hairs from shaving her coochie!"
"Dang, that dude has a dingleberry hanging!"
"Did you see that! What a scar under her armpit from the implant surgery!"
And so forth and so on.
I think HD will make porn look worse, not better...low-def analog tv has a way of hiding the wrinkles, so to speak.
What's really interesting, however is that porno DVDs will have DRM embedded. Currently, they are not encoded, and how many DVD burners has that sold? More than a few, I think.
If this DRM is like a lot of the other stuff I've seen it will phone home to check if you're allowed to watch the film. I for one don't particularly want my porn phoning home to tell someone you're about to watch Lesbo Rim Jobs From Mars. Isn't there some invasion of privacy law that can be thrown at this?
If I weren't for internet porn, Jimmy Wales would never have started wikipedia. He got its forerunner, nupedia, off the ground thanks to his successful .com business called bomis, which was largely funded by porn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomis
--Julian
Are you Sancho, No.
Is Scott Bayo Sancho, No.
I am Sancho.
Indeed it is.
The song for those wondering, is from Avenue Q
-R
But don't forget that both Betamax and VHS got their asses kicked on several technical aspects by the Philips Video 2000
I think that on the contrary, it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is no need for DRM for the content industry to flourish. Porn has got to be the most ripped content there is. And yet, it is raking in profits that make every other industry green with envy. So when traditional media companies say that they need DRM because of the Internet... I say shove it.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
God didn't forbid it, therefore, God exists!
Take that, religious war!
The Internet was completely funded by porn
So the 'p' in ARPA is for porn?
I've a number of questions, some interrelated to superbowl halftime, but across the board.
How does porn effect consumption of tissue paper, electricity, and in water-showers, toilettes?
And the question that we all want to know is: what is the measurement of Semen entering the sewer?
Thankyou.
Sincerily,
B. Franklin
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please type the word in this image: impudent
Big? I am sorry, according to the drawing [B====D] it is exactly four inches long. And that not even big in Japan!
4 inches? Ok, what a luck for this guy that Americans don't measure in centimetres. :-D
that wants my porn without DRM?
DRM! It keeps me from my pirated pr0n collection!
Curse you Windows Media Player and IStoolbar!
"I'm a well-wisher, in that I don't wish you any specific harm."
The joke's on you; Exactly Four Inches Long's new album "Facetime" has gone platinum in the Asia/Pacific market, so it is, in fact, quite big in Japan.
I wonder if within the industry, they refer to DRM as "protection".... :/
I personally like this industry, not for the content, but because I always get to play with the newest technological toys
I can relate myself:
ME: Would you like paper or plastic, ma'am?
CUSTOMER: Paper chaffes my skin, so gimme the plastic plz.
ME: Enjoy the Harry Potter NIMBUS 2000 Broom, and thankyou for shopping at Toys'R'Us
Oh!
My!
God!
Donkey -- Rat -- Male
"Now it appears that the adult entertainment industry has chosen to ante up in the DRM battle as well. Some companies have chosen to take sides, like Digital Playground who will be supporting Sony's Blu-Ray. Others, like Vivid Entertainment, seem to think that the answer is diversity and will be supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD."
Um, hello? Both BluRay and HD-DVD implement DRM to some degree, all of which is more strict than what we currently have with DVD-CSS.
"We play both kinds of music here, country and western!"
Well it also means much lower viewer figures, so if you're selling DVDs to 100 people, and 3 of them can't play it in Linux, or can't play it in Europe, you're going to hear about it pretty quick, whereas somebody selling a million DVDs through publishing companies, distribution companies, and nationwide chains of retail stores probably won't give a shit if 3% of viewers are inconvenienced by their digital restrictions management.
I think HD will make porn look worse, not better...low-def analog tv has a way of hiding the wrinkles, so to speak.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this story.
In other words, this would be prime time to invest in Apple, Adobe, Avid, and manufacturers of softening filters for video production. To counter the rode hard and put away wet (eh... heh) factor of many porn stars, the studios will almost certainly have to invest in new production and post-production solutions. Get in on the bottom floor now!
I guess it would br pretty bad if you couldn't get your fav. porn video on HD DVD and Blue-ray.
Now my understanding is that Sony refused to license BETA for 3rd parties, but didn't care about the lesser quality VHS.
cheap clones were created using VHS, billions of them. all 50-80% cheaper than beta. video stores responded with more and more VHS over beta.
war over.
really not that different from the IBM Microchannel debacle
Maybe Al Gore invented the internet to supply Bill Clinton with porn...hmmm
It all makes sense now!
I guess DRM will mean the first three words out of every porn viewer s mouth "Dirty Rotten Maggots messed up/won't let me veiw/minged/what-have-you my show!"
There is no "get it for free"
Ask Charlie Sheen...
He spent $50,000 on hookers over 4 years, Denise Richards has him over a barrel with a $1,000,000 faithfulness clause in their prenup. (Facts off the top of my head)
Are we perfect? No. But where I should move when I renounce my U.S. citizenship, North Korea, Libya, China, or Iran?
People are acting like HDTV is x-ray vision...
The make-up doesn't have to change, the lighting doesn't have to change, the actors don't have to change. The only thing you really need to do to keep HDTV the same as standard TV is: zoom-out by about 2X.
Tada! Now people are made-up of just as many pixels as before, it just looks like more of a panoramic shot, rather than a close-up and zoomed-in shot.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
The porn industry loves the internet, for just about the same reasons the RIAA/MPAA hates it.
First off, the rampant filesharing doesn't mean a loss of revenue, it means increased public acceptance of porn, and a larger audience that might spend money on it some day. It also makes it less and less likely that the government, or public interest groups will be able to successfully stop or even restrict porn in the future, as they have done in the past.
Porn is to the MPAA what independant bands are to the RIAA...
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
The ball-cam is already frightening enough as it is. Why would I want to see it in HD?
quite big in Japan.
No, wait, the joke is on you; Big in Japan was one of the big hits of the German synthpop/-rock music trio Alphaville.
Open Materials Database
I plan to do this. Ive got a pretty sizable porn collection, which has served me well over the years. Im engaged now, but im a pack rat, so im not gonna delete it all. When we have kids, once we catch the boys looking at teh boobies online, ill leave a folder or two of the more vanilla stuff on their desktop (theyll all have their own computers). This will keep them from having to go out into the wilds of the internet, and keep them away from the stuff that turns even my stomach, and away from all the spyware and crap you get from pornsites...
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
It has long puzzled me that the music and film industries argue that they could be ruined by p2p without DRM, but that despite massive quantities of free porn being available all over the net, the porn industry seems to be thriving.
I doubt this will change.
Yah, but it also means that the wanker that likes the video he downloaded with [fill-in-bimbo-here] may go buy more of them with her in it.
Is that the industry technical term for porn actress?
You're forgetting that the higher resolution will finally make it possible for the BBW acresses to fit into the frame entirely. If that is a good thing is entirely up to your preferences though...
One ticket to hell, please...
The view was horrible and the smell was even worse; Julie severely regretted becoming a proctologist.
I wonder if the porn industry's shift to DRM will accelerate the cracking of the DRMs? Maybe this will be a good move in the fight against DRM.
The view was horrible and the smell was even worse; Julie severely regretted becoming a proctologist.
"My company has dedicated 26 Gigs of bandwidth, that during peak are all maxed out"
Just after my peak, I'M all tapped out!
Libertas in infinitum
highlighted the deep relationship between the internet and pornography
What deep relationship? Do people still honestly believe porn is the driving force behind the internet? I guess that would make the few perverts who fund pornographic content the internets steering committee.
Why is this? Is it because TV shows like the Simpsons promote that belief or is it simply the Betamax myth?
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
I belive they have awards for best video, male performer, female performer, girl-girl scene, group sex scene, best three way, etc. Or at least that's what I remember from the "director's commentary" on Flashpoint, a Jenna Jameson flick directed by her former hubby, Brad Armstrong.
If you've never listened to porn with director's commentary, I highly recommend you find some, it's funny stuff. Highlights were something like:
"Now you know what girls do when they go to the bathroom together"
"If you ever have a chance to get a blow job from Jenna, I suggest you take it" (since they were going out or married at the time)
And my personal favorite, "Joannie Black takes anal like a trooper".
Congressman: internet? i don't like the sound of that! sounds like intercourse. better slap some laws on that.
Corporation: we have laws alredy writen up! and we'll uh...support you...
Congressman: sounds good
Consumer: ****!
Somehow I find it scary that a message with that content can and actually does get moderated +5 Informative. :)
Let me ask you a question in reply, albeit one a little more seriously: using HD sports coverage as an example, what you suggest won't happen. In sports, they still use the same over-zoomed in your face camera shots, to the point of massive pixellation and a near-complete breakdown of the HD format. You do not get many wide-angle panoramics, except in the interstices of programming. They call that the "you are there" style of production.
Now then, porn: it's business is to make you think you "are there." That, and sets are not vistas, like many might think, but usually are just a little wider than the camera angle. The edges have lights, microphone men, directors, monkeys, herds of zebra, you name it. In other words, expect an HD version of the production technique you see now. People pay good money for their blank DVD's so they can make illegal copies of the LD "in your face" style, and they are going to want the same good product when they raise the resolution.
And then you'll be able to see the razor stubble and dingleberries.
You're telling me, today I log in and see if anyone has responded to my posts and lo and behold. I thought it would have been modded off-topic at least.