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Brain Surgery Patient Trapped in a Mental Time Warp

diverge_s writes "BrainConnection has an interesting article about a man who lives life straight out of the movie Memento. FTA: "When twenty-seven year old Henry M. entered the hospital in 1953 for radical brain surgery that was supposed to cure his epilepsy, he was hopeful that the procedure would change his life for the better. Instead, it trapped him in a mental time warp where TV is always a new invention and Truman is forever president. The removal of large sections of his temporal lobes left Henry unable to form any new personal memories, but his tragic loss revolutionized the field of psychology and made "H.M." the most-studied individual in the history of brain research.""

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  1. On the bright side... by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

    It means he never has to put up with re-runs on television and got to escape the entire disco era unscathed.

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    1. Re:On the bright side... by Saven+Marek · · Score: 5, Funny

      It means he never has to put up with re-runs on television and got to escape the entire disco era unscathed.

      I'm now wondering if he's been employed as a slashdot editor, and every dupe is a fresh exciting new story.

    2. Re:On the bright side... by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What does he think when doctors walk in with cell phones, digital cameras, and PDA's?

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    3. Re:On the bright side... by Kandenshi · · Score: 5, Informative

      The removal of his hippocampus, amygdala and bits of his temporal lobes did indeed cure his seizures. While he can hardly be said to live a "normal life" now his health is fairly good. Currently suffering from osteoporosis but that's not really a function of his surgery or his former seizures :P

      If you want to really dig into his case I'd suggest the following review paper that summarizes alot of the interesting things we've learned because of him much better than TFA does IMO:
      http://homepage.mac.com/sanagnos/corkin2002.pdf/

  2. In other news by drDugan · · Score: 5, Funny

    "BrainConnection has an interesting article about a man who lives life straight out of the movie Memento. FTA: "When twenty-seven year old Henry M. entered the ..."

    1. Re:In other news by MoogMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, I must be new here!

  3. Clive Wearing... by RustNeverSleeps · · Score: 5, Informative

    This case reminded me of another case I learned about in a psychology class several years ago. There is a British man named Clive Wearing who has a similar condition caused by disease. A video of Wearing showed him greeting his wife as if for the first time in months or years, even if she had only just stepped out of the room for a minute, writing in his journal every couple minutes etc. They did say that he had some vague recollection of major events like the fall of the Berlin wall and the Soviet Union, but not much beyond that. He was also shown playing the piano very fluently, although he went into a seizure as soon as he stopped playing, supposedly because of the "shock" from the music stopping.

    1. Re:Clive Wearing... by Threni · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine if everytime you loaded up a browser and went to Slashdot you saw the same story. You turn on the TV and it's still the same old shows... the same idiots in public office making the same mistakes... you still had to work too long for too little free time. You fire up your console but it's the same old games...the same music...the same movies... That must be terrible.

  4. A bit more about him by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, I started typing this based only on the title of the /. article when it was still in the mysterious future. It looks like I'm talking about the same guy that the article is. Anyway, this guy is truly fascinating. It's good to hear that he's still alive and kicking! Here's what I typed before reading the article: I was doing video conversions (VHS->VCD) for a Pyschology professor a while back and he had this most amazing video of a man through some sort of illness had lost the ability to make new memories (a la, Memento, although this was before the release of that movie). He was happy as a clam, although kind of dazed and confused. What was interesting though, was that as he got older (the video followed him over something like twenty years), he started to adapt. I say adapt, because he wasn't making new memories, but was learning patterns. Let me explain: the nurses always came into his room hoping that he would recognize them, but of course he wouldn't, because he met them after the brain injury, but he started to pick up on that anticipation and started to fake knowing them, as best he could.

    1. Re:A bit more about him by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My grandmother is going through this exact same process, and it is interesting to watch. She has gone from thinking that she just got to her new home, to "I think I've been here a few weeks." (years, actually) She's stopped recognizing a lot of people, but she's learned to pretend to know everyone. She learned to walk over to the calendar to see if people were there yesterday, even though she doesn't recognize the calendar or know why she's going to that part of the room.

      She even learned how to sneak out and buy beer, and did so repeatedly. We were all impressed by that one. Of course, she pled innocent, and as far as she knows she was.

    2. Re:A bit more about him by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is happening, at least as was explained to us psych majors, is that he can learn skills, but not facts. Those parts of the brain are apparantly seperate, which is one of the major discoveries his case has lead to. So you cannot teach him facts about a bicycle that he doesn't know, but he could learn to ride a bycicle, if he doesn't know how.

    3. Re:A bit more about him by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not exactly talking about becoming a total libtertine. My grandmother drinks Remy Martin XO whenever she has a drink, and enjoys one almost every night.

      I wouldn't deny her it.

    4. Re:A bit more about him by Slashcrap · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What smoking and having those "bad" habits only do is make the last few years of your life miserable, not simply end it.

      I'm really sorry to break this to you, but the last few years of your life are likely to be miserable and painful anyway.

      I know it is very comforting to believe that you can avoid this by living healthily, but you are still going to degenerate and die. And that process is not necessarily going to be more comfortable just because you ate tofu all the time and never passed up an opportunity to whine about someone smoking a cigarette 50 feet away from you.

      If there is a God, I strongly suspect that He has a very dark sense of humour. Leading an excessively healthy life probably counts as provocation.

    5. Re:A bit more about him by Mad_Rain · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would recommend to anybody who is interested Oliver Sacks, a neurologist who wrote a great book called The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat for other intriguing and amusing tales from the fringes of psychology and medicine. As I recall (eek!) it did a fair job of explaining our understanding of the brain (even as the book is 20 years old).

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    6. Re:A bit more about him by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So basically the difference is between motor memory and other memory, correct?

      One would wonder then, if someone who was deaf had the same thing happen, how their memory would be affected? Because teaching them facts would involve using ASL, which you think would be equated with the motor memory.

  5. That man today... by Carpe+PM · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is better known as Cowboy Neal.

  6. Ah, come in. Now what seems to be the matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    (Caption on the screen: 'IT'S THE MIND -- A WEEKLY MAGAZINE OF THINGS PSYCHIATRIC' Cut to montage of photographs again with captions and music. Cut to a man sitting at usual desk. He is Mr Boniface.)

    Boniface: Good evening. Tonight on 'It's the Mind', we examine the phenomenon of déjà vu. That strange feeling we sometimes get that we've lived through something before, that what is happening now has already happened. Tonight on 'It's the Mind' we examine the phenomenon of déjà vu, that strange feeling we sometimes get that we've ... (looks puzzled fir a moment) Anyway, tonight on 'It's the Mind' we examine the phenomenon of déjà vu, that strange...

    (Cut to opening title sequence with montage of psychiatric photos and the two captions and music over. Cut back to Mr Boniface at desk, shaken. Caption on screen: 'IT'S THE MIND')

    Boniface: Good evening. Tonight on 'It's the Mind' we examine the phenomenon of déjà vu, that strange feeling we someti... mes get ... that ... we've lived through something...

    (Cut to opening titles again. Back then to Boniface, now very shaken. Caption on screen: 'IT'S THE MIND')

  7. Not news... by xitshsif · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "entered the hospital in 1953 for radical brain surgery"

    If the most recent development was in 1953, is it still news?

    1. Re:Not news... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is to him!

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    2. Re:Not news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If the most recent development was in 1953, is it still news?

      You have to ask this on Slashdot?

  8. Mirror, mirror by Baby+Duck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The funniest and cruelest thing you can do to him is show him his own reflection. How would you feel if you woke up one morning and had tons of wrinkles on your face where none were before.

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    1. Re:Mirror, mirror by imoou · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He would have forgotten how he felt after coming to realization that the person in the mirror is him.

    2. Re:Mirror, mirror by greginnj · · Score: 3, Informative

      One of his doctors actually did this -- perhaps thinking it would help 'jar' his memory or something, not really thinking through the effect that suddenly seeing yourself old would have. HM's reaction was predictable -- 'Hey, Doc! What the hell is this??'

      Fortunately, the doctor realized his error quickly, took away the mirror, and said, 'It's complicated, but I can explain it to you. But first, come on over to the window'. After looking out the window for a bit, HM forgot why he was there, or even that he was upset.

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    3. Re:Mirror, mirror by HaydnH · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The funniest and cruelest thing you can do to him is show him his own reflection. How would you feel if you woke up one morning and had tons of wrinkles on your face where none were before."

      Errr, did you read the article? He doesn't appear too bothered by the mirror thing:

      "Mainly, though, he leads a life of quiet confusion, never knowing exactly how old he is (he guesses maybe thirty and is always surprised by his reflection in the mirror) and reliving his grief over the death of his mother every time he hears about it."


      Actually he seems quite upbeat about the whole thing, the highlight of the article for me (as it looks like you probably missed it) has to be the following:

      When walking down the corridor at M.I.T. with Henry, Dr. Suzanne Corkin made the usual kind of small talk. "Do you know where you are, Henry?"

      Henry grinned. "Why, of course. I'm at M.I.T.!"

      Dr. Corkin was a bit surprised. "How do you know that?"

      Henry laughed. He pointed to a student nearby with a large M.I.T. emblazoned on his sweatshirt. "Got ya that time!" Henry said.

      Haydn.

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    4. Re:Mirror, mirror by Tim+Doran · · Score: 2, Funny

      pfft. Happened to me this morning.

      Just how the hell did I become 35?

  9. The real question is... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

    WWASD?

    What would Adam Sandler do?

    1. Re:The real question is... by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Take a polaroid of Adam Sandler, write 'the brain surgeon' at the bottom, slip it in Henry M's pocket.

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  10. I never considered surgery by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have epilepsy, specifically partial complex seizures of the temporal lobe. No neurosurgeon ever suggested surgery as a solution, but based on cases like this, I think I would have declined the offer had it been made. I can't imagine actually having part of my brain removed, and because everyone is different, results like this man's can never be 100% avoided.

    The brain has a fantastic ability to route around damage, but 53 years after this man's surgery, we still don't know enough about the way it works to reliably fix problems that the brain itself cannot handle.

    (Then again, my seizure episodes aren't nearly as frequent as described in the article.)

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    1. Re:I never considered surgery by bloodredsun · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Actually as someone who has just finished a PhD in Neurophysiology I feel I may be a little better placed to comment than your average /. reader

      Complex partial seizures originating in the temporal lobe have one of the best success rates in epilepsy surgery, but surgery is only offered to patients whos epilepsy is medically refractive (cannot be controlled by drugs) and affects their life in such as way that they would strongly benefit from surgery. Temporal lobe epilepsy is most often caused by mesial temporal or hippocampal sclerosis, this means that that part of the brain has become scarred and shrunk and this damage is causing the seizures. So this part of the brain supports a minimal amount of function. As your seizures are probably well controlled by drugs, you would never have been offered a surgical option.

      we still don't know enough about the way it works to reliably fix problems that the brain itself cannot handle.
      That's correct to a certain extent, but we do know a lot more and one of them is how to avoid causing the sort of condition that HM suffers.

  11. first dates by vlad30 · · Score: 4, Funny

    he could meet this girl http://imdb.com/title/tt0343660/

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  12. Crueler still... by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think hitting over the head with a chair would be pretty cruel, because man, that would have to hurt.

  13. Experimental brain surgery by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Around that time, theory was a lot more advanced than practice. For example, there was a theory around that time that stated that seizures and some forms of mental illness were caused by malformed connections between brain cells - that all you needed to do was sever the connections and let them regrow. As theories went, that wasn't too bad.


    Apparently what happened in practice is that doctors would use coat hangers or any other bits of wire they could find, and slash at the brain until the symptoms stopped.


    Arguably, though, severe brain damage (through cutting chunks out or prodding them wildly with steel rods) was probably a better fate than those in Victorian asylums, which combined all the home comforts of a Soviet-era Siberian prison camp with the theraputic properties of a medieval torture chamber. At least the victims of the medical experiments were often incapable of suffering much. (Some, just not as much.)


    Modern therapies for brain disorders are often highly dangerous, extremely toxic to the rest of the body, notorious for side-effects, often addictive, and many are poorly studied with completely unknown long-term consequences. That is many thousands of times better again than those who underwent the surgery.


    With the newer discoveries being produced through fMRI and other next-generation scanning equiptment, I fully expect the next thirty to fourty years to produce as many radical changes to neurological treatments as the past thirty to fourty have. It'll be interesting to see how things change.

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    1. Re:Experimental brain surgery by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Around that time, theory was a lot more advanced than practice.


      Boy is that an understatement. There was also little in the area of medical ethics. A lot of those doctors should have gone to jail for what they did. This is the same era where insulin shock and electro-shock were standard practices for several mental illnesses. What a sick and sad time.

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    2. Re:Experimental brain surgery by bloodredsun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Modern therapies for brain disorders are often highly dangerous, extremely toxic to the rest of the body, notorious for side-effects, often addictive, and many are poorly studied with completely unknown long-term consequences

      And what do you base this comment on? Modern therapies are rarely dangerous (felbamate being the only modern therapy I would have said was dangerous and that is restricted), have few side effects especially compared to their action, aren't addictive, and are very intensively studied with long term effects based on the duration of their use. Surgery can also be fantastic for those with medically refractive epilepsy and with an assessment period of about 18 months can produce effects that are superior to drugs.

      I think your post is either a troll or you are really quite ignorant about epilepsy treatment. I cannot for the life of me understand why you are currently rated +3 interesting.

      Disclaimer: I don't work for any drug or surgical products companies

    3. Re:Experimental brain surgery by jeremymiles · · Score: 2, Informative

      Errmmm... electroshock therapy still is used for depression. (Although you tend to be anaesthetised first.)

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    4. Re:Experimental brain surgery by user9918277462 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think the poster was referring to psychiatric drugs in general, not epilepsy per se (which isn't really a psychiatric condition anyway).

      Drugs used to treat schizoprenia are dangerous with severe, often irreversible, side effects. Tardive dyskinesia is a symptom of permanent neurological damage caused by long term use of neuroleptics. The benzodiazepines (used to treat anxiety disorders, among other things) are addictive with a pronounced, physically dangerous withdrawl syndrome (it can actually precipitate delerium tremens). Even the relatively benign SSRI/SNRIs are starting to show unanticipated side effects that are somewhat limiting their use.

      As the previous poster said, these drugs are far better than psychosurgery, but they are far from perfect. In any event, they treat the symptoms rather than the (unknown) causes of mental illness. Hopefully that will change someday.

    5. Re:Experimental brain surgery by JabberWokky · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I don't think they should have gone to jail. The vast majority were using the latest knowledge in an honest effort to help people. The alternatives, neglecting or abandoning the ill, are far more sick. Considering that's what preceded your "sick and sad time", I'd say that we're progressing... and that in 50 years, our current treatments will look terrible.

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  14. I've read about this before by Mitaphane · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought this story covered the term but apparently it doesn't. Anyway, the medical term for Henry's condition is called anterograde amnesia. And if it hasn't already been mentioned here, it's also the same ailment that the protagonist Leonard has in the movie Memento. And if you liked that movie I reccommend reading the short story it was based on. It's an excellent piece of prose.

  15. When my mother had a stroke... by shotgunefx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When my mother had a stroke when she was dying of cancer, a very odd thing happened.

    I rushed to the hospital, she seemed ok, but weak. We talked for hours, everything seemed fine. I still don't know what prompted me to ask the question as our converstation was pretty much normal. I asked her "Do you know you who I am?"

    She said "No, should I?". Pretty much the worst moment of my life. As it turned out, she though it was 1968 and she was in there to give birth to what would be my brother Kevin.

    Thankfully, over the next few weeks, most of it came back, but it all came back in chronological order.

    She was back to the 1980's within a few hours, but the next 12 years came back much slower. She thought I was still with my first girlfriend circa 1990, that we had our old pets. The last few years were the only thing that remained somewhat little fuzzy.

    I always thought that was very telling about the mind. Not sure exactly what it says, but it definitely says something. Maybe memory is stored tree-like. The other thing that was odd, was the closer to the present it got, the slower it came back.

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    1. Re:When my mother had a stroke... by Ryvar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes and no. This is based off my own vague memory of what was recent theory about seven years ago in our cog. sci. class, so take it with a large grain of salt: there's a background 'noise' to the brain that slowly reduces the number of synaptic connections per neuron over time, which in theory would cause you to forget things. You have to think about a topic every once in a while - or think about something stored in a neural connection in close proximity at the actual physical level (thus activating the entire localized region) - to refresh the connection and keep it intact. New connections would be fresher and further from fading, but would not be as firmly etched into the overall neuro-semantic topology as the older memories. Put differently: older memories lose details more easily but are harder to remove entirely (without rearranging the entire local topology), whereas fresher memories are more firmly attached to their details but easier to forget entirely.

      Something along those lines, at any rate.

      --Ryvar

    2. Re:When my mother had a stroke... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      The other thing that was odd, was the closer to the present it got, the slower it came back.

      That's easily explained through general relitivity. As she travelled through time her "speed" in time increased, thus leading to a temporal dialation effect, slowing her down.

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    3. Re:When my mother had a stroke... by shotgunefx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I'll give you credit for making a science joke, and a decent one, it's still kind of dickish don't you think?

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  16. Is there a name for what *I* have? by Hosiah · · Score: 4, Interesting
    While we're all taking about memory defects...

    I've have one that's very specific, but only been a minor nuisance. I blow people's names. Especially in a work environment, where I'm constantly meeting new people. A new person will have to remind me of their name anywhere from six to twelve times before it sinks in. Some people I know for awhile, then start calling them by the wrong name for a while. Then I stop that and get back to calling them by their right name again. Most people are understanding (I have to explain myself), but some get quite offended.

    Mind you, it's the only memory defect I have. I can remember a face after meeting a person once and not seeing them for years. In conversation with a co-worker on a day-to-day basis, I can tell them what we talked about yesterday, what they were wearing last week, everything they've told me about themselves down to the most minute detail. Just not their name! But in most cases, I finally get them straight after a few months.

    I was just wondering, with all the psych buffs in here...(PS it works this way online, too. I'm more likely to remember posters by their sig, or even just by their writing style, or on other forums by their icons...I'll even place people by their ID-number before their names!)

    1. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by GloomE · · Score: 3, Funny

      Luckily I live in Australia.
      I can get away with calling everyone "mate".

    2. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by awol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, what you have is "Couldn'tgivashitaboutyou"itis :-) Seriously though, I have/had the same issue and the real reason we can't remember peoples names is because we never really cared enough about that person to bother remembering. I am not having a go at you, but it sounds a lot like what many people have. The faces are easy because we are so deeply wired to remember them. But the name thing requires conscious effort and you probably aren't bothering.

      It takes a fairly major mind shift when you first meet people, but once done, it is really easy. I am not saying that you will never forget a name but quite apart from all the "memory techniques" that you can read about, all I am saying is by simply trying to remember the name it will make a huge difference. For me my limit is about 8, I can get introduced to 8 people and with a tiny effort should be able to remember them all for a while (weeks) even longer if I actually go and talk to them all in the next hour or so.

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    3. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by aug24 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Me too. It's called Anomia

      Curable/copable for most people using mnemonics. I can do a few people at a time now, by imagining them in a hug with someone else with the same name. I hold the pictures better than the words. Still can't cope in a new contract when I have ten people to remember: I won't be able to hold any of them.

      Only works for first names, and only names I've come across before, so not a perfect solution!

      Justin.

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    4. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by graibeard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No psych buff here but I remember reading that the association for names is stored in a different place, a more recent area that lives outside the hippocampus (primitive or early brain), probably because language skills came later on the evolution cycle. You can remember the aftershave/perfume they wear, mental image of their features and the way they walk, habits etc. because they are more closely linked to the hippocampus. Think early man and what he needed to know to survive, that's at the core and readily accessed, everything else was shuffled to the back.

      So, I don't know if there is a name for it but I think it's just normal, everyone has it to a certain degree.
    5. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't remember jokes either, no matter how hard I try to they all turn into the only joke I do know which is:

      What do you call a three legged donkey ?
      A wonky.

    6. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by Alioth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that is entirely normal for a human, actually. The only people I know who remember names on 'first contact' are marketing/sales types (and I think their trick is to just use mnemonics or other memory jogging tricks).

    7. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Excuse me for veering off a little, but there's a question I keep asking people (and myself).

      Is "holding pictures" meant to be metaphorical in any way? Until recently I thought "I can see it in my mind" was just a flowery way of saying "I am familiar with it". I'm quite blind inside in most mundane states of consciousness - couldn't even visualize a circle, much less whatever happy places people purport to see in meditations. Yet I could probably describe or draw familiar faces or objects as well as or better than the average non-artist.

      This is frustrating - it's like I'm imagination-impaired. Daydreaming means thoughts, feelings, concepts, dialogue - words, above all... not that there's anything wrong with it, but something more sensual would be nice every now and then. Same with books (or text adventures)... it's work to get anything other than "noise" out of the descriptions. And I rarely understand where the characters are.

      Visual memory's similarly bad. Never ask me for directions; geography's just a jumbled mess of very faint impressions to me with precious few links between them. And reading "fixed" maps - forget about it. They never point in the right direction.

      On the other hand, spelling's never been a serious problem for me.

      So. Do you people actually see things in your heads? Can you picture a face/scene/object/symbol - and really look at it?

    8. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by aug24 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I certainly do. When I am on the train to work, planning DIY in the evening, say, then I will work around the room in my head, planning what order I will do things in, and I can see the whole room from any angle. I'm doing it now, just to check!

      Shit, I just thought: how do you do, shall we say, relief?

      Don't answer that, OK ;-)

      Justin.

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    9. Re:Is there a name for what *I* have? by skryche · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks for the tip, J-- Jake? James?

  17. No it doesnt sound stupid by drachenstern · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am the same way, and by way of ref, I was "diagnosed" ADD/ADHD in the late 80's/early 90's (you seriously expect ME to remember when, yeah right, read the first part of the sentence again). I have since spent a lot of time talking to some very knowledgeable (think genius and add some on top) Psychs (both varieties) and have come to the conclusion (which they sometimes acknowledge is a reasonable belief, since so little seems to be known about this "disease" (phhht)) that ADD/ADHD is not a impairment in the way that the mind makes connections with data, but in how much data the mind is anticipating. Kinda like revving your engine and dropping into second, sometimes you're where you need to be to make that happen, sometimes your not. ADD/ADHD people sometimes seem like everyday normal people, and sometimes we're all over the place, and sometimes we're about to fall apart on ya.

    But back to you're post, yeah, you're not the only one. I CANNOT seem to get a person's name for anything, but I can do the face/item trick just as well. One of my prof's, double doctorate, retired from TWO psy institutions had a very simple trick for learning names, and he taught it to every one of his classes, psy or otherwise during the first few days of class. Use ONE (no more and no less) phrase everytime you meet someone, and you're brain starts to pick up on when you meet someone, you learn their name. Trust my words, he could pick up any name he could say like this. Most students in my classes could too! (I think my ADD/ADHD/Whatever kept me from being able to do this as quickly as most, but it works. He had us say something to the effect of (but use what works for you):

    Hello, my name is ______, and your name is? (wait for answer) Nice to meet you _______.

    Keep in mind, we were doing an in class exercise whereby we had to do this over and over with our classmates, but since, it has helped that part of my mind alot, and yes, it does sound really cliche. Please ignore that part, just trust that it REALLY does WORK.

    my $.02, have questions, just ask

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  18. Nice: 43 Years Later Slashdot's Still got the edge by Hack+Jandy · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is older than internet and I combined. Did someone just take Psychology 100 recently?

    HJ

  19. More importantly by Leffe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did the operation cure the epilepsy?

    1. Re:More importantly by bloodredsun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe it did. He was thought to have bilateral temporal lobe eiplepsy, the removal of which cured or at least reduced his seizures markedly but left him with severve anterograde amnesia.

  20. I had this problem... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... after a head injury, I was unable to form new memories. That mechanism was not working. I was totally conscious and talking to people, and yet from my perspective I didn't even exist. It is NOT like the movie Memento, because its simply impossible to have any self-awareness of your condition.

    For the weeks that I was like this, I was essentially dead. I was lucky enough that for me it was temporary, though I still have some problems, but even if I weren't already an atheist it would have been total confirmation that there is no afterlife, because with that small part of my brain not working I was literally no longer a person, I didn't exist as a mind - I was just some pile of animated meat.

    The process of regaining the memory "stickiness" was strange - that time feels like my birth.

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    1. Re:I had this problem... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was not making new memories, so while I was conscious and talking and interacting with people for weeks, to me it is a complete blank, and was at the time. I only know about it from what they told me in the days following my recovery.

      When the "mechanism" for storing memories started to work again, I kind of faded back into existence in snippets lasting a few seconds here and there - but of course in a sense it only FEELS like that remembering back on it, the actual experience at those very moments must have been something different.

      In essence, there is no memory of weeks, then there are segments here and there that stuck, and then finally continutity.

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    2. Re:I had this problem... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The point is, I was interacting and speaking with people, but if they stepped out of my vision and then back in, then it was as if I was seeing them again for the first time. This, of course, is all from what I have been told by the people that were interacting with me at the time.

      The point being that without that continuity, without the ability to remember from one moment to the next - without that continuing thread, the subjective experience of the person lacking this function is of nothingness. You could argue that my responses to people (as non-sensical as they were) were just programmed responses.

      Bottom line is, whether or not you can argue that a person exists or not is kind of beside the point - if they are unable to experience their own existence, then to them they don't exist... and if this mechanism is necessary for an individual to be able to experience their own existence, then after death, when this mechanism surely ceases functioning just as it would with injury, the experience of the dead person would be the same - nothingness. From my perspective at the time (or rather complete lack of one), I did not exist - and when it comes to being alive or being dead, the perspective of the person concerned is the only one that matters.

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    3. Re:I had this problem... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My family interacted with me, and I'm sure it mattered to them, but it was simply impossible for it to matter to me.
      Its not something you will be able to comprehend. Its not just not remembering a two week period in my life... we ALL have that. It was not remembering at this moment that I existed a moment ago, and that I will exist a moment from now. I just can't explain it to someone who hasn't experienced it. Being in that state could not be felt, but coming gradually OUT of that state could be felt, and so I was immediately aware of the difference.

      I'm not saying to give up on your friend.

      And yes, we are all meat-based computers, but the key difference is that computers are able to use variables - a computer can store a new value for a variable and thus change its state.
      I couldn't. With no changes in state, time stops. Consciousness in the sense of self-awareness is a thread... a line. I had no line. I was a line segment.

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  21. Okay, the followup articles . . . by drachenstern · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This article talks about "What was most striking were the numerous reports of organ transplant recipients who later experienced changes in personality traits, tastes for food, music, activities and even sexual preference. Is it possible that our memories reside deep inside our bodily cells in addition to in our minds?" and was written by Leslie A. Takeuchi, BA, PTA

    This article talks about "In the 19th century a German anatomist Leopold Auerbach observed a complex network of nerve cells in the human digestive tract. And now scientists in the US and Germany are claiming to have rediscovered this so called 'second brain' which is made up of a knot of brain nerves in the digestive tract and is believed to involve around 100 billion nerve cells - more than those held in the spinal cord." and is really just a blurb but quite interesting food for thought. It comes from the Discovery Channel's website, since they do a lot of Health programming. (no puns intended, thanks, altho it is quite funny)

    This article is a BB set of posts that is probably how most front page slashdotters would react to this topic, but it does have some insightful information, like this quote from halfway down the page
    Let's see...whenever we've done tests with memory, the brain seems to be involved. The simplest example is that you can't remember anything if you've had your brain removed. More complex examples would be fMRI scans which show that different regions of the brain are active when you're doing different mental tasks, including the formation and recall of memories. You could say, "But that's just because the brain is interacting with the mystical unknown in ways which look like it's actually doing something!", but I'll Occam that argument: We have no evidence for non-physical things interacting with the physical realm, so when we see activity in the brain corresponding to activity in the "mind," we should assume that the brain is the location of the mind, not that the brain is some sort of mysterious conduit that we can't understand. If you've got some sort of experiment which would differentiate between these two views, I would be interested in hearing about it.

    Also, your memory of the flavor of Pepsi is stored in the way that the neurons in your brain are connected to one another. I'll agree that we don't know exactly how memories work, but that doesn't mean that we know nothing of how memories work, and we should work with what knowledge we have rather than decide that understanding is an all-or-nothing process.
    Which leads me to my belief that the organs DO almost all the work of memory, but it is the brain that stitches all that information back together, as well as some information storage of it's own. Does the fact that all information travel via the nerve clusters as electronic impulses that originate and return to the brain have anything to do with the electrical firing that MRI's and the like pick up? More and more I think this is really the case (If you are a medico student and want a thesis, use this, please, if you have seen papers published on this topic, please let me know!!!)
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  22. This is fantastic by Placebo+Messiah · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just wanna say, you are a really smart buncha nerdy people. How you ended up on my TV isn't even relevant right now. I'm truly inspired by your fresh approach to scientific criticism and humour. kudos to you all and let the show go on!

  23. This is fantastic by Placebo+Messiah · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just wanna say, you are a really smart buncha nerdy people. How you ended up on my TV isn't even relevant right now. I'm truly inspired by your fresh approach to scientific criticism and humour. praise to you all and let the show go on!

  24. A bit about my boyfriend by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In 1996 my boyfriend Andy suffered a subarachnoid hemorrhage from an aneurysm, and after surgery to repair it, had an ischemic stroke which hit his hypothalamus. End result: almost no short-term memory, like the subject of this article.

    In the weeks afterward, Andy had some fairly classic stroke symptoms, including paralysis on his right side. He couldn't talk, even to say his own name. But he could sing songs with people, because that skill is located on the right side of the brain, rather than on the left side with our language centers. And when his nasogastric feeding tube was pulled out, he spat out a very intelligible "fuck". Evidently swearing becomes a reflex.

    While he was still recovering the ability to stand and to walk, he had to be watched all the time, because he'd keep trying to get up out of his wheelchair... unsuccessfully. But the fact that he kept trying to use his right arm and leg - not remembering that they didn't work - probably helped their recovery.

    Every time I talked to Andy, I'd tell him about my new apartment; he'd usually - but not always - react with surprise. During one phone conversation (which wasn't going very well because he was distracted by the TV in front of him), I asked if I could talk to his father (with whom he was staying). Andy put down the cordless phone, saw that Dad was busy, looked up at the TV... and forgot I was there. I had to yell from the sofa cushion to get his attention, so he'd pick up the phone again. Conversations were always difficult because "what did you do today?" would elicit either shrugs or he'd just make something up, his mind grasping at any random memory that might serve as an answer. I frequently fell back on retelling him the same stories about my life lately, just to fill time and stay connected to him, and hoping that maybe they'd sink in.

    He did gradually form some new memories. His therapists accomplished some of this by chronic repetition. Living in an environment with lots of calendars and repeated quizzes about the month and year, he got fairly good at remembering that. By asking him over and over during our drive home from a restaurant what the name of it was (no, he didn't find it annoying; each time I asked he barely remembered that previous time), he was able to remember it an hour later. Once, in response to me commenting about my shitty finances, he commented about "the new apartment". After several months of telling him about the fact that I'd gone back to college for another degree, he seemed surprised when I mentioned it again, but on a hunch I asked him what the name of it was, and he remembered. But for the most part, he learned to compensate for short-term memory with habits and with a lot of clever guessing.

    I wish I could tell you about Andy's condition in the long-term, but his family won't let me see or talk to him anymore. (They say he'd get overstimulated and unmanageable after I visited or called on the phone... and I never got along that well with them to begin with.) I fought this at first, but since they're better able to care for him (they have money and a support network; I'm just me and underemployed), and since he's painlessly unaware that I'm not in his life anymore (for all he knows, he might have just seen me yesterday), I finally had to let go. More of the personal sob-story details can be found here.

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  25. sort of common by drfireman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Memory deficits are a risk of epilepsy surgery. As yet there's no truly reliable way to predict post-surgical memory problems, but since surgery is generally a last resort, it's a risk the patients have to take. This kind of memory problem is also typical of Wernicke-Korsakoff's Syndrome, dramatized in the second chapter of Oliver Sacks's "The Man who Mistook his Wife for a Hat," which is often a consequence of long drinking binges (and an accompanying vitamin deficiency, I think). You don't always see the truly dense amnesia, but when you do it's striking.

  26. Re:Shock Therapy by Meostro · · Score: 4, Informative
    how does shocking something and causing intense and long lasting pain and anguish make them better?
    It's not supposed to cause "intense" or "long lasting pain", it's supposed to be administered under anaesthesia so you don't even know what happened. The concept of ECT is sort of like a reboot.

    Your computer (like your body) may run fine for a while, it may even go to sleep and wake back up and go on running normally. Eventually you may come across some quirky behaviour (mental disorder) that you can't fix with patches (surgery?) or subsystem resets (drugs?). When all else fails, you reboot your computer (ECT) and everything goes back to normal.

    ECT induces a seizure, and your brain sort of shuts down and resets itself. The mechanisms aren't entirely understood, but it works well to treat severe depression.

    Electro-Shock Therapy has been portrayed as horrible torture (which it was used for) and has been tried for the treatment of many mental conditions (like schizophrenia and personality disorders) where it does little to no good. It definitely has a shady past, but the modern reality is much more benign and therapeutic.
  27. I wonder by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is he still looking for John G.?