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SeaMonkey 1.0 Released
johkir writes "SeaMonkey has been released. Mozilla.org's open source internet suite features a state-of-the-art web browser and powerful email client, as well as a WYSIWYG web page composer and a feature-rich IRC chat client. For web developers, mozilla.org's DOM inspector and JavaScript debugger tools are included as well. It also has a few nifty features, of particular interest: drag&drop reordering of tabs, support for a common inbox for multiple email accounts, SVG, , and phishing detection."
What exactly is SeaMonkey? Based on this summary of features, it sounds exactly like Mozilla.
SeaMonkey? I bet this thing dies in a matter of days.
So how does the Sea Monkey web editor compare to Nvu? If it's better, that'll really suck having to download a whole suite just for that one component. Why Mozilla Corp/Foundation hasn't released it's own editor still is beyond me...
"A truly wise man realizes he knows nothing."
Well, IE officially fell behind again. I mean, it sounded like that new beta was competition for Seamonkey/Firefox, but ten minutes after that's out, Mozilla obsoletes it. Was this scheduled?
Autoscroll! HOORAY!
s /seamonkey1.0/README.html
canvas tags! Boooo!
Drag and drop tabs! Eh.
Also, "Attempting to compose, forward, or reply to a message may result in a non-functional compose window." Sounds handy.
Really, I've just been waiting for autoscroll.
More at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/release
REM Old programmers don't die. They just GOSUB without RETURN.
It's a cheap packet of cryptobiotic shrimp you can order off the back of any comic book. By the way, they never look as friendly or as big as the pictures. :(
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
Link to download Seamonkey 1.0 for win32 leads to a 404.e leases/1.0/seamonkey-1.0.en-US.win32.installer.exe
e leases/1.0/
Link for full download is: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/r
Link for ftp of releases: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/r
I'm of a mind to give them a piece of my mind, but I seem to have lost my mind.
I haven't been paying close attention to developments in the Mozilla world outside Firefox, Thunderbird and the Calendaring application.
Is the "Mozilla Suite" project dead? Is Seamonkey the replacement for the old Mozilla Suite? Will the next version of Netscape be based on Seamonkey 1.0?
For whatever reason, many people in the business world don't know what "Mozilla" means, and may take them a while to recognize the name of "Seamonkey". However, they still recognize the name "Netscape".
I'm shocked to find out that many Managers at web companies still talk about "IE vs. Netscape" in terms of browser compatability. These folks often lump "Firefox" into the column for "Other, less supported browsers". It's not suprising, but that "Other" column now represents somewhere between 10-20% of users.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
The suite never died. It was decided back in early "Phoenix" days to switch priorities, but Firefox and SeaMonkey have still been arm and arm. Most features that make it into Firefox are developed in SeaMonkey. Firefox is simply lighter weight and more aimed at the "grandmother can use this" style UI.
I have been a bit leery of anything called "Seamonkeys" ever since I ordered a kit off of the back of my Amazing Spider-Man comic book many years ago. I was quite disappointed when it arrived and the creatures that hatched in my goldfish bowl were not the family of happy trident-bearing mer-creatures pictured in the ad, but a bunch of freaking shrimp.
So go ahead Mozilla, and sell the world on your little state-of-the-art web browser and powerful email client, as well as a WYSIWYG web page composer and a feature-rich IRC chat client. I'm not gonna be sucked in to your little scheme. In the words of our great President Bush, "Fool me once, shame on... you.... The Fooled man can't be fooled again"
Its more like this
In the begining there was Mozilla Suite, and it was good. However, a large number of people wanted a standalone browser. Instead of just splitting Mozilla Suite, they made their own browser, Firefox. Despite having an inferior UI, the Mozilla FOundation decided to drop the Suite in favor of Firefox. Some of the users of Mozilla don't particularly like the UI of Firefox, so we revived Mozilla Suite. Unfortunately, Mozilla is a trademark and the Mozilla Foundation does not let them call it Mozilla Suite, so it is now SeaMonkey.
You can tell what side I'm on. I'll be dling the new SeaMonkey tonight.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Yay! I like my browser, email client and irc app integrted out of the box. I'm happy this is still around.
Now, if people would start making themes for mozilla again. The default and the ones I have found are butt ugly.
Maybe I will learn to make some myself. I wouldn't mind a firefox themse for mozilla or a kde theme ( for current releases ).
Here is the exciting new logo for this suite. Oddly, it looks nothing like a real sea monkey.
Personally, I think it's a cross between a blue bird and a scorpion stinger.
Continuing the old Mozilla suite is fine, but one thing I am missing is a way to integrate my email and calendar. Mozilla "Lightning" was supposed to do this but the page hasn't been updated since January of 2005. Anyone have any clue if this is still on the Mozilla radar?
At least twice over the last year that Mozilla has said it has a web page composer and yet I have never found it. In the current SeaMonkey release there is no component called "Composer". Where is it?
Some of the users of Mozilla don't particularly like the UI of Firefox, so we revived Mozilla Suite. Unfortunately, Mozilla is a trademark and the Mozilla Foundation does not let them call it Mozilla Suite, so it is now SeaMonkey.
As one of those users who prefers the Mozilla UI and likes having Composer around on the rare occasions it's needed, I'm glad that the Suite has a new lease on life.
I maintain my site using VIM, but a WYSIWYG html editor with syntax highlighting of PHP for my initial development efforts would be kind of handy for working on my local machine. Do either of these editors happen to include that feature?
In case you missed it, let me clue you in. Suites are dead. People want lean applications with user-selected add-ons. Funky cutesy names are out...they lingered on a bit after the dot com bust (along with e- and i- names) but descriptive branding is the order of the day. "Microsoft Office" "Mozilla Internet Suite" "Apple Music Player". Oops...Jobs is going to kill me for leaking the last one...
Good to see work still being done on this, but I had to install something to make it easier on the eyes. Glad I found this theme.
I reluctantly switched from Mozilla to FF/TB just last week, as it seemed like Mozilla was a dead end. I installed Fedora Core 4 and Mozilla was nowhere to be found on the 4 CDs.
Any opinions on whether I should stick with Thunderbird or go with Evolution? I'm using KDE instead of Gnome.
How many times are people going ask what is SeaMonkey or is it the same as FireFox? If you don't know then go google it for god's sake! The other half of this question is why do people keep answering? If someone is not intelligent enough to read the previous 50 posts that answer this question they shouldn't be on /. Now back to the topic, please excuse my rant. I love that this going to continue being worked on. I like it more than firefox especially the debugging tools. If you are a developr this is a great suite and worth the time checking out!
WTF?
Give it a try and see why many folks say "Long live the suite!".It also plays VERY nice with Firefox,Kmeleon,And Opera,Which is nice if you have family that uses your machine.Each can have their own browser and not muck about with yours!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Yeah, the classic netscape theme is ugly. They are considering making Modern (which is pre-installed) the default in the future. IMHO the Modern theme looks better than the default Firefox theme.
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Right as I clicked on the link, Windows BSOD'ed on me. Hehehe... it must really be good!
I think its awesome.
A browser that was dumped in favour of something newer and shiner was picked up by a community willing to put work into it. This is a perfect example of what Open Source is all about. Compare that to software like OS/2 or BeOS, both of which have a following and a community which is willing to back them. Instead they are gathering dust in some proprietary repository.
I like the Seamonkey suite, in part because it discreetly bundles the ChatZilla IRC client with a Gecko-based web browser. On my Windows box at work, Seamonkey seems to render web pages faster than Firefox.
However, I am disappointed that there seems to still be no support for "live bookmarks" (RSS feeds in bookmark form). That is the killer feature that made me switch from the Mozilla suite to Firefox. Are there any plans to implement this handy functionality in Seamonkey? If so, when?
Actually, my favorite description of the difference between Windows and Unix philosophies goes like this:
The Web is like Usenet, but
the elephants are untrained.
I keep running into a chatzilla bug where it uses up 100% CPU until you quit the chat portion of the browser, and it gets you disconnected due to "Excess Flood" from servers, even if you dont type anything in. It got me banned from an IRC server a couple days ago... but I was running 1.0B, any word as to if that is fixed?
I wholeheartedly agree that the Modern theme looks better than Classic, and I think it should be the default. Actually, I think Modern - Mozillium looks quite nice, as does Graymodern.
Hopefully theme developers will give us nice new themes for SeaMonkey, like they do for Opera and Firefox.
It should be perfectly safe. If you want to be really safe, you could back up your profile, but everthing should work fine. As far as extension incompatability, Moz 1.7 -> SeaMonkey 1.0 is about like FF 1.0 -> FF 1.5. Maybe a little less, as FF 1.5 had more UI (non-gecko) changes than SeaMonkey. I am using the 1.0 beta with the Extension Manager extension, Stumble Upon, Web Dev and Flashblock
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Seamonkey is just Mozilla 1.8 under a new name.
I have been testing the alpha and beta for some time and have not yet run into incompatabilities.
Interesting. So it is just v1.8. I got it. I will just overinstall over my 1.7.12 then.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
The folks that work/have worked on this rock! I appreciate their efforts tremendously and am using it as my secondary browser full-time.
Paraphrasing Dori from Finding Nemo, "The SeaMonkey took my money, but they gave me an internet suite."
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The composer part of your post is obsolete. Nvu is a replacement for Mozilla Composer, and has far better and more features to boot. I agree with the rest of your post though. I myself have taken a liking to this new IE7 Beta however.
... have my money.
Yes, I'm a natural blue.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
According to this its a bug in Firefox 1.5 (look under Developer Comments). Here's the bugzilla entry: 318419
Is there still an i18n project? I see two local builds, but not the long list of language packs.
Are the current i18n groups willing to translate Seamonkey or will this have to be setup completely from scratch?
Presumably a Mozilla 1.7 translation can be used as a basis...
I would like to install a Dutch version at work, but I see no mention at all of Seamonkey on the Mozilla-NL site. It is centered around Firefox and Thunderbird these days, but still had a Mozilla 1.8a translation last year.
...and a feature-rich IRC chat client.
You have no idea how much time I've wasted with the Internet Relay Chat chat. If I only had a nickel from the Automated Teller Machine machine for every day I've wasted...
Upon looking at the application, it's interface is as bad as Mozilla, and it isn't a standard Mac OS X application at all. In fact, I can't see its difference from Mozilla. I guess it has good integration, but I don't see how it is better than Safari, Mail, and Address Book which work together very well and work with a lot of other applications.
Stupidity is like nuclear power, it can be used for good or evil. And you don't want to get any on you.
PLEASE, don't do it! IE 7 is still a nightmare for us web-developers, because it *STILL* shits in the face (YES, that's the correct term) of every standard and every developer trying to create something that simply works WITHOUT being forced to choose if you have it working in every browser that supports the standards OR adapting it to a idiotic non-consistent model of a so-called browser that 90% of the users use (who are stupid by the fact that they use it), because 90% of the big websites still think the have to support this load of crap because 90% of the users... (repeat ... until (death);)
And someone EVER comes to me with the argument, that in version 7, everything will be clean and wonderful, then GET THIS:
IE 7 *STILL* uses the trashy old codebase. No matter what the tell you. It only uses another layer on top of that upside-down pyramid of an application design.
Ho do i know this? Well... If it still has the same quirks, then it normally is the same code. Why would anyone replicate such awful quirks in new code?
I'm really sorry for "trolling" (if it really is), but the dullness of that mass (of poeple) out there who still use IE, think microsoft rocks, think the pharma industry does care if you were healty, or any industry would care if you are happy as long as you bring profit to them
is making me so mad i wish them a big epidemic plague, causing a wonderful *natural* selection, so they FUCKING have to get up their asses to win the game of life!
Yup, i think most poeple actually are allowred to cheat more than they should be allowed to.
And: No, i don't think it is wrong to gain some profit of the iditicity of others.
My basic tought is that this dullness and stupidity make the life of everyone other bad too. And i really like having a good life.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
This sounds like a rewrite of history, although it may be part of the story.
More importantly, there was a set of Mozilla developers who were tired of working with a vast code base where each decision had to be made by a committee and was endlessly criticized by posers who never wrote a line of code. These developers decided to write a new browser front end on their own so they could have fun again coding and be accountable to no one.
Amazingly, the new front end became wildly popular, even though the logo and the name are completely different animals. (Foxes are cool, but red pandas a.k.a. firefoxes are cooler.)
OK, for your information I am using Firefox again, due to numerous bugs that I began noticing in IE minutes after posting my post.
Anyways, how are people stupid when they simply don't care about web browsers enough to even know there are alternatives? Cause, fyi, most people don't care, and couldn't be bothered to care. And no amount of bitching by web developers is going to make them care. Get over it, or find a new profession. Cater to your customers and their choices, or fuck off and do something else for a living, kapeesh? In my profession, if a customer choice causes me more work, and I bitch to them about it, I would most likely be fired. Quit being a whiner.
Of course, this is Slashdot, so I'll be modded down in about 30 seconds.
Are you suggesting we shouldn't bother implementing features just because somebody else came up with it? That's a pretty stupid idea. We find a feature we like, we implement it, even if we're not the first.
Note that the release announcement mentions features added since Mozilla 1.7, since that's what we figured many users would be coming from, so we've actually had a lot of these features in the nightlies for quite a while.
There are a lot of other features too - these are just ones we happened to think were interesting.
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Could be something to that part too, from the outside it looked like a drive by the stand alone browser people though. I can understand why they would want to get away from a comittee, but there were better ways to do it (like a fork) if thats your main goal. As it is Firefox still has nowhere near the features, power, or configuration options of SeaMonkey or even the last version of Mozilla Suite. I really rank it as barely better than IE. Given the vast UI differences I don't buy your explanation as the full reason.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Most extensions works, but some don't. It's better to uninstall them and go installing one by one latter ;).
Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. I only wanted to say that these didn't seem like very exciting features to me, even compared to other stuff in this new release.
From the way you say 'we' it looks like you're involved with the project, so... thanks, even if probably not I'm not going to use SeaMonkey for now. People, myself included, certainly appreciate your effort.
Which ones didn't work? I use Prefbar, Session Saver, Adblock, Flashblock, BugMeNot, IE View, Coral, etc.
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first they called it netscape(which was mosaic), then they change it's name to mozilla, then firefox, and now it's called sea monkey? and it's always the same, just a web browser...nothing amazing.
Actually, according to the Mozilla trademark policy, Seamonkey is one of their trademarks anyway.
I also suggest people read that policy in general, as there's a good chance most people are technically breaking it already. Put that ® or (TM) next to Mozilla® Thunderbird(TM) recently? (Mozilla is a registered trademark of the Mozilla Foundation. Thunderbird is a trademark of the Mozilla Foundation.)
(Yes, I know I'm being a bit excessive, but if you follow it to their exact spec, that's what you get.)
"Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
Ignore the AC that replied to you, those instructions are not any good for building any Mozilla release be it SeaMonkey, Firefox, Thunderbird or others.
n tationl d_Documentation
Use the following links.
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Build_Docume
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Category:Bui
For help
http://irc.mozilla.org/
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=42
These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based upon the order I joined. -Homer Simpson
Users said it works: Mnenhy and MIDF, also Tagzilla, infoRSS, DeleteDuplicates, Enigmail (except the GTK2-Linux-Compiler-Issue), JSLIB, Flashblock 1.3.3 http://flashblock.mozdev.org/installation2.html>, LCARStrek, adblock, RadialContext, extuninstall. extuninstallapi, gdirections-0.9.9-fx+mz+tb, ie_view-1.2.7-fx+mz, jslib_lite-0.1.234-fx+mz+tb, tabx, timestatus, undoclosetab-20040617-fx+mz... PrefBar I haven't tested myself. One developer said it worked and one user said it didn't worked, but they don't cited the version. I think that a not released version is working (maybe out soon). Themes: Really Modern Orb Colors Classic http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=3&si d=4ed53bfe2a2d7a5ac375ce39876f866b>
Mostly Crystal
http://www.tom-cat.com/mozilla/
EarlyBlue and LCARStrek
http://www.kairo.at/download
Thanks! I think I will wait a few weeks to be sure everyone is able to upgrade.
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Part of the install docs say that you should uninstall older Mozillas, and delete the older install directory, if you used extensions (they note the spell checker as one). They also caution: "Do not install over an old Mozilla version." (They have it in bold, too.)
Apparently, you can have the older version co-existing with SeaMonkey, (not a surprise) so you can still use the old extensions with the old version.
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
Just installed SeaMonkey and Adblock -- seems to work fine -- but see no compatible Flashblock extension. Does anyone know if that exists yet? These are the two Firefox extensions I can't do without . . .
Was this scheduled? According to Terence McKenna there's no such thing as random coincidence and I happen to agree with
him more and more lately.
Let me put it this way... Microsoft is already planning on a complete rewrite from scratch following IE7.. I wouldn't be
surprised if they would just switch to Firebird and owning up they did so and maybe integrate Mozilla code into their
Desktop and OLE enabled apps like they do with IE's mshtml.dll. Microsoft already knows that they will have to open the
sources to a lot of their code, it's just they're not done whining about it yet.
Worst. TNG. Episode. Ever.
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First, the dafault UI is terrible. Firefox is very minimal, only showing you what you need.
Second, SeaMonkey 1.0 is incompatible with a number of great Firefox extensions. This may be easily fixable, but I don't know how to do that.
It's tough to decide between this and Firefox 1.5 with its huge memory leak. Oh well, I'll stick with Firefox 1.0.7 for now.
Although I primary use and love Konqueror, I wish to congratulate the SeaMonkey developers for continuing the suite project. I actually hate Firefox, although I have it installed (together with Epiphany, Mozilla, Opera and other browsers).
I have been a Mozilla Suite user for a very long time and have never gotten used to the different feel Firefox has.
Originally they were talking about phasing out the Mozilla Suite and just having Firefox and Thunderbird. Good to see things have been progressing on SeaMonkey and we now have a release.
For me this is great news.
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About the time they announced the source release, there was a still a lot of interest in a seperate browser both from end users and corporations, often so they could use the browser portion with Outlook. Not too much later, the word coming down from AOL was that they weren't in the software development business and didn't want to be. That was just the view from the support side.
vi? Who's that?
You know, there was always Nestscape Navigator for any who wanted a standalone browser.
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
I see you've been waiting to drop in your Opera comment. I'm sure Opera is nice browser and all. But this comment is offtopic.
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
So you uninstalled a themeable application becuase you didn't like the default look?
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
It would be nice if you did some research before complaining. This is doen by and for those of us who WANT a suite. You remember the whole OSS, do what you want thing? This is not being worked on by people who would want to work on a carlendar app. I am not even sure that it is being worked on my Mozilla people at all.
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
Yes it does help. That's how I like. And there is more that those 3 compontents.
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
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I doubt it runs on MacOSX 10.0 or 10.1... Now if we had someone to confirm the compatability.
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
There is a version of the Sunbird calendar that integrates with Seamonkey here. I installed it and now there is a calendar button on all my Seamonkey apps.
Today's vices may be tomorrow's virtues.
Okay, I'm sorry for saying they are stupid because they don't care. Everyone has its priorities.
;)
;))
But i think not caring has its limits. Things like not caring if someone dies is an extreme example.
It even gets more complicated when someone really *deserves* to die in the eyes of everyone you know - including you.
So to get back to the general problem, where the popularity of the IE is just one result of it:
It is simply out of my mind, why poeple complain about their "computers" (mostly meaning crappy software) *every* day, say that they have so much problems with it, say they now can save the work that they did not have to do before they had a computer,
and STILL don't care and accept the situation blindly.
So in the core of it, i don't have a problem with this behaviour of realizing there is a big sucking problem in something they have to deal with, but accepting it and not caring.
I don't know how you call that, but i call it pretty damn stupid. Any human with a common sense would try to change the situation, no?
Or asked from another point of view: How much more torture do they need until they try to change a thing?
Bonus question: Is the art of Microsoft to always keep it as near as possible unter this level?
P.S.: I would mod you up if i could. (And me too
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Geez, after re-reading my harsh post (I was having a bad day...just had thousands of dollars stolen from me) I'm surprised you said you would mod me up. I was expecting an even harsher post back.
I think we both have valid points. I have always been of the view that when you are servicing your customers, you should accept their decisions, irregardless of how dumb they appear or are, and work your services around them. However, I hate when people complain, and when people bitch about spyware but refuse to switch browsers, it ticks me off also.
IE7 sucks by the way. It seemed all flashy and exciting and new for the first hour or so, until I realized the dumb thing can't even store cookies properly. Gmail has many quirks that don't show up in Firefox or Opera. You have to ask God's help to uninstall the dumb thing. And my keyboard is very unresponsive in it, problems I didn't notice in Firefox or any other program (including IE6).
'cause they can depend on "monkey seamonkey do" ! And they like to laugh.
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
Perhaps if you're running Tiger or even Panther. But on Jaguar Safari is crippled and featureless ... even Gmail displays a notice that you need to update your browser. But of course you can't because more recent versions of Safari won't run on Jaguar. And the version of Mail I'm stuck with is pretty bad as well. If you set it to block images you can't click on any URLs (well, you can click on them, but nothing happens). That means you either have to view everything plain text, which doesn't work very well with a couple of email newsletters I receive, or view full html, exposing you to bugs and ads. Thunderbird 1.0.7 is much more configurable.
I won't be installing SeaMonkey on my OS X partition, but I'll try it on Debian. I liked the old suite a lot, and only switched to Firefox because that seemed to be where the momentum was. On OS X, Camino rules. It manages to seem even more integrated than Safari, and its feature set is up-to-date. I didn't realize when I bought a Mac how quickly the OS would date. I won't make the mistake of buying another one.
Michael
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality;..."
Hmm... you know... I eally whished that they make a good browser. Because in the end i'm not the one who will hate ms because they are ms, but because of what they do and have done.
:( ;)
If they start to only do wonderul things i will slowly start to love them.
But... well... i guess i have to continue whishing.
(Is there a chance that they quickly fix the problems until it goes final or until 7.1?
P.S: Compared to my post you don't have to call yours "harsh", do you? *g*
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
I would like to thank you. I'm a huge fan of people who happily, loudly display their ignorance so I know to discount them immediately. You did a great job, friend.
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