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MacBook Pros Upgraded and Shipped
Moby Cock writes "Apple Insider is reporting that Apple has started shipping the new MacBook Pro with an upgrade to the CPU clock speed. The two models now sport 1.83 GHz and 2.0 GHz Core Duos (up from 1.67 GHz and 1.83 GHz). A 2.16 GHz upgrade is also available. The price point remains the same." Dear Apple: Slashdot needs to review 5 of these indefinitely. Thank you XOXO ;) Seriously, i'm waiting for someone to give good benchmarks on these- especially testing for Warcraft. Now that it has a new Universal Binary I can't wait to see how it holds up against a modern windows machine.
So that means it is 6 times faster right? RIGHT?
-- TRUST ME! I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING!
It is still rev 0. Ill personally wait for Apple and Intel to get the major kinks out of their perspective products. Mabey next year. But still I am glad the CPU speed it is shipping is a little higher then advertised becaues other laptops were shipping now with the faster chip.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I was just warming up to the idea of a 1.8 this 2.16 Ghz is gonna take some getting used to. Can I handle that much speed?
Ahhh. WoW - the single most important universal binary released so far. I hope Blizzard listens to their customers and releases universal binaries of thier existing OS X compatible games (WC3, SC, Diablo2). With regards to the story, cool that Apple bumped everyone up a notch on the speed pole for free.
This guy's the limit!
"1.8ghz should be enough for anybody."
It's a shame they haven't been available to review yet, but to be fair, Apple aren't really missing anything. They will sell like hotcakes to start with, even if they turn out to be bricks with LEDs strapped on.
What happened to the people who preordered a 1.66GHz for the same price as the 1.83 when they hard launched? Did they get the prototype they ordered or the real deal? Note to self: never preorder new tech!
Had another quick look at my order (I'm in the UK).
MBPRO 15/1.67 CTO. Estimated shipping date: Feb 15, 2006.
Estimated delivery date: Feb 22, 2006.
Still, if it comes with a faster processor, I won't be too disappointed - but with it being leading-edge hardware, it'll probably explode in my lap and permanently neuter me...
Tedious Bloggy Stuff - hooray?
Well, if you want to put your money where your mouth is, there is a bounty growing for just that:
http://winxponmac.com/
Of course, nobody really knows if it is possible.
-Cinnamon
Vericon is coming!
Why unbundle Safari? Are you saying they shouldn't ship it with their machines and the OS? Uhhhhhh, why? It's not tied into the OS in any way like IE on Windows, and you're free to use Firefox, Camino, Opera or any other browser.
Slashdot: 24 hours behind every other site or your money back!
That there's a TPM chip installed shipping enabled, with no end-user controls to verify the trust settings match the security context in which it's installed. Like my maxed out iMac Core Duo... Privacy Commissioner in T-10 days... still no response from Apple Privacy... Check the documentation http://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/specs/bestpra ctices/
You'll see what I mean...
Caveat Emptor.
if I claimed I was emperor just because some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
My vendor wants $1699 for the base MacBook Pro. Doesn't seem that expensive to me.
It is cowardly, and a betrayal of whatever it means to be a Jew, to act as a white man
-James Baldwin
Seriously, i'm waiting for someone to give good benchmarks on these- especially testing for Warcraft.
;)
So you are spending close to $2000 so you can have slightly better graphics in WarCraft?
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
Does anyone else here get the irony of /.-ers spending virtual lifetimes bashing 'Doze, hating every byte of M$ kruftware, and yearning for an environmental catastrophe in Redmond, then getting all excited about the potential of running XP on a new MacBook?
Am I alone here when I utter a collossal WTF?
Now, I do think native speed virtualization would be a major boon for the platform. And, yes, native x86/DirectX gaming on a Mac would be nice.
However, with all of the talk about Mac performance gap, *NIX on the desktop, Win Sux, etc, one would think that the community would get very excited about fast portable, Darwin on dual-core, i.e all of the great native things already going on, and more extensible than Doze will ever be.
Yet, what we hear is crying that, unless it runs Windoze, it is useless or somehow disappointing. WTF, again I ask.
My 550 TiBook is a classic piece of machinery, like the NeXT Cube (got one), Sparc 10/20 (got two), the compact Mac (got two), and other timeless designs.
These new machines signal new life for Apple's manufacturing, and innovation for years to come, thanks to a high-speed portable line and its revenue stream. Get excited about that!
First time I see someone booting XP on a Mac, I'm gonna kick them in the nuts, Roshambo style.
Does anyone have any idea what the battery life of these things are? It was previously unannounced because they were still testing pre-shipping versions. Well, now they're shipping. And the only thing on the technical specs page is a footnote that says
Yeah, that helps.
*blinking cursor*
You could just trash Safari and install Firefox (or leave Safari there and install Firefox). It's not like the browser is integrated into the OS or anything.
I read the internet for the articles.
Just because the browser comes pre-installed doesn't mean that it's bundled quite the way IE is. You can still remove it, and install any other browser you want. Most Linux distros by default will install a browser too. Try installing KDE without Konquerer. I'm pretty sure it isn't possible.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
If it was a PowerPC-based Mac with internals done by PowerPC-partner then I'd wait. Seeming this is designed by Intel with way way more in debt experience making personal computers I wouldnt worry as much. The external casing is still basically a tried & tested Apple Albook so I wouldnt worry too much.
If you're a pro user with a need for native Adobe & Macromedia apps then I'd wait for the universal binaries that are expected late this year or 2008. By that time OS X 10.5 Leopard is expected to be out.
So, we all know that Intel releases incremental speed bumps nearly every quarter or even more frequently, and this seems to have worked well for Apple here. But what about the quarterly (or more) price drops? A series of cuts is scheduled for the Pentium D over April and Q3 2006 that will almost half some prices. Will Apple catch things into even better margins, or will we see much more quickly update specs AND prices?
Well Windows Vista setup boots, but there is no graphics driver for the UGA BIOS so you don't see anything - but remember the keypresses to exit Vista setup and Robert is your mothers brother the computer reboots.
So it seems the like "Running Windows natively" problem has become one of getting Windows drivers for the Mac hardware which given most of it is now Intel standard stuff means we are really waiting for Apple or Microsoft (or perhaps ATI) to release that driver or for someone to hack the Windows driver to work with the Mac BIOSed X1600s.
$2B OR NOT $2B = $FF
Wait for VPC or VMWare. Letting Windows boot your hardware is just begging for a world of pain.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
So far Classic is a dead issue (pun intended, but unfortunate for us and Apple) and I'm sure there will be more.
To me it's just another cycle of waiting (hoping) vendors update thier products (as well as making the upgrades affordable) or manufacturers bother to re-code thier device drivers to work on yet anothewr new Apple platform.
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
Yes we know that macbooks aren't exactly cheap ... and nor are gaming capable PC laptops -- they come out quite comparable pricewise. You certainly can't buy a PC laptop with all of the features of the MacBook for much less than the MacBook costs.
James P. Barrett
So my question is, why should I switch?
My question is, why should we care?
If you're actually happy with your Windows box, good for you. Why even post in this thread?
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
You do realize these laptops are 32 bit only? The 64 bit portable CPU (Merom core) will be available by year end (together with the matching desktop core - Conroe). It also seems that the current core (Yonah) has 64 bit instruction set support (AMD64/EMT64/x86-64, whatever you want to call it) although it has been disabled by Intel. The interesting bit for me will be the upcoming iBook. I want to see how Core Solo stacks up against the G4 (seeing that Duo doesn't really clean out the house against the single G5). I think there may be a couple of surprises.
They've been working on the iBrick for years. I heard it makes the satisfying Apple boot sound when you throw it through a window.
Why did this get marked troll?? What's he's saying is true .
Because he intentionally missed the point the previous poster was making. This will allow real-world benchmarking of OS+application with hardware and software that is similar enough to expose the bottlenecks.
people are just blind to reality when it come to Apple.
Yes, everyone but you is ignorant and misinformed.
Show me specs of any Mac OS X machine outperforming the top Windows game.
For some reason not many people try to benchmark a operating system plus a machine against a game. I think it is because they are not even close to being the same thing.
It's not jut performance it's low cost customiation option too that Windows leads in.
Performance varies based upon a given task, hardware, and software. The point is we can soon actually benchmark a given task with the same (or very similar) hardware, thus removing a variable. Honestly no one really knows if "Windows is faster" because until now we have not had a way to test it. Of course everyone with the ability to reason knows the result will be that Windows is better at some things and OS X is better at some things.
In my opinion, Apple's snobbish attitude to third parties and refusal to open up their BIOS has led to these problems.
Yeah, Apple really should open up OpenFirmware which is what they've been using instead of BIOS for the last decade. They are just now moving to EFI, which is another open standard. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
This is actually the opposite of what happened a few years ago. When Apple came out with the G4 desktops they planned on releasing them in 400MHz, 450MHz, and 500MHz configurations. Due to supply problems or whatever, they ended up downgrading each configuration by 50MHz (so 350, 400, 450) and kept the prices. Of course there was a huge uproar and IIRC Apple ended up discounting the machines.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/10/14/apple_down grades_power_mac_cpus/
It's good to know that Apple is now in a position to do the opposite.
No. You misunderstand the term "universal."
An app is "universal" when it runs on OS X for PowerPC *and* OS X for Intel. It does not mean it runs on other OSes, and incidentally, they do not.
But my point still stands. How many parts of KDE become unusable once you remove Konquerer? The browser/ HTML rendering engine is an important part of any modern Desktop. The real question is, how deep does the browser tie into the actual OS/Kernel? If the browser is just a component that lets you render HTML/CSS/JS, then it's probably doing just what a browser is supposed to do. Certain linux packages require certain desktop libraries (KDE,Gnome) to be installed in order to function. IE is a different beast altogether because it goes much deeper than the application level, right into the OS level causing lots of security problems.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I understand your confusions as the word universal does suggest something more than the reality, whic is that Universal Binaries are universal to the Power PC and x86 versions (possibly 68K) of OS X. So it had no impact whatsoever on Windows apps.
$2B OR NOT $2B = $FF
Taking a G4 Powerbook for a test drive. The sales droids there were seriously downplaying the MacBook Pro -- "No one knows when they're going to ship, it could be a month or more" and "Almost no software will run natively on them when they're first released" were the two lines I heard the most from several of the sales droids there. I'm going to have to go back when they get their first units in just to see how much the tune has changed. "These are radically faster for not much more money" and "You can run all previous software in an emulator" are the lines I expect to hear then. Sorry guys, but I'm not inclined to buy a machine from a sales droid who went out of his way to mislead me. I'll just find my machine online if I decide to buy one. Pfft.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Quake 3 has also been release as a universal binary.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
from http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/design.html Pretty slick.
Apparently, it's been used on countertop deep fryers for a while now (after some really horrible incidents where people pulled or tripped over cords and got hot oil spilled on them).
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
A modern Windows machine will always outperform a MacBook in games. More hardware, more options.
Hrm... But aren't they all using the same hard ware? I mean these are all laptops right? They are using Intel and then maybe ATI or nVidia? Hardware is not different.
Unless you count AMD.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
While I like the specs of the new MacBooks, at their price point they don't quite cut it. Perhaps the second revision will make changes. Its just so hard to justify $600+ MacTax for 1lb of less weight and a few minor extras. Case in point CompUSA is selling an Acer duo, (1280x800 display x1400 graphics, 2GB memory, 120gb hdd, for 1299). While I understand that to some their is better engineering in the Mac I doubt the assembly lines used by either is much different). Yeah I know, its the software/experience/quality. There are levels to which all of us assign imporantance to these items. However most of it is opinion and we can all find pro and con examples to back our case. To me the justification of owning one of the new Intel based macs is being able to run any x86 OS.
These machines are for the pro users; the people who need the absolute fastest Mac laptop they can get and they need it right now. If your livelihood is based directly on Mac platform then the MacTax is incidental. Personally I wouldn't recommend anyone getting a rev1 Mac of any type. You'll be better served by waiting til the intel ibooks are released anyway. Might as well at least wait until universal binaries are out for everything you use.
I bought a top of the line PBG4 last May, and for the first time in my life I feel like I bought a machine at the best possible time. They've bumped the screen resolution and improved battery life, but that's basically the only improvement in 9 months. By the time I'm ready to upgrade they'll be deep into Intel revisions with every program universalized. This was not the case when I bought my Mac SE, Centris 610, Performa 6200, or even my G4 Tower. And don't get my started about my 286, or K6.
> As far as I can tell, the MacBook lacks any kind of feature that sets it apart, other than running MacOS X.
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
Just because the browser comes pre-installed doesn't mean that it's bundled quite the way IE is. You can still remove it, and install any other browser you want.
Ignoring, for the moment, the architecture behind Safari I think that people get too hung up on "what" and forget the "why." There are two big problems with IE+Windows. One is that it mingles code for file browsing, web browsing, and vital parts of the OS. Basically, it mixes code very insecurely in ways that allow interaction with the internet to potentially cause serious changes to the core of the OS. It also allows local users to abuse the Web browser and gain access to escalated privileges. Basically, it is an insecure and basically unfixable architectural mistake.
The second issue is not technical. As a monopoly it is illegal for MS to leverage their OS monopoly to gain a Web browser monopoly. The most common way to do this is bundling both products together, which MS did. MS supplies multiple components of an overall computer: OS, applications, mice, etc. Because they have a monopoly on one, they cannot legally bundle the others with that one. They can bundle their mouse with every copy of Office sold, but they cannot bundle Office or the mouse with their OS.
It is important to note that this does not mean an end user can't buy a bundle that includes Windows and a computer and IE. Retailers are free to bundle anything they want, so long as they don't have monopolies. Dell can bundle all of MS's products and only sell that combination and there is no legal issue. Only MS is legally bound not to do so. They have to sell them separately to Dell so that Dell can choose the best browser to sell to their customers, even though the market forces them to sell Windows as the OS on those computers.
Apple does not have a monopoly on desktop OS's or Web browsers so they can bundle the two. If they gained a monopoly on either, they could not. The same goes for IBM, and pretty much any Linux distributor.
To summarize, the problems are the insecurity of an architecture that commingles the core of the OS with a Web browser and illegal business practices. I haven't seen either problem with any alternative OS's.
Does anyone know why the MacBooks, with x1600 mobile radeons, can drive an external 30" Apple display at full res, but the iMac, with regular x1600s can't?
Also, anyone know why the 17" iMac can't have 256 MB of VRAM but the 20" can? Is the VRAM something that is potentially upgradeable, or do you have to buy it installed?
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Wow a whole slashdot article solely on Apple upgrading the CPUs to the next highest without changing the price. I know this must be a big deal for you apple users who are used to paying the extra 500 for a 80 dollar more CPU but this is ridiculous.
The human race is artificial intelligence created using object orientated programming.
I run max res (1600x1280, or something like that), with textures at full distance/quality, and I get minor choppiness (off and on, once things load it's smooth) in IF by the bank/AH. Gryphon filghts are amazing (not only can I see the landscape, with great clarity, I can see OTHER gryphon flights cross my path -- something I could never do before)
All this using the 20" Imac duo, with 1G memory. (The universal binary vs. Rosetta made little difference in performance). IMO, the only thing that could kill the laptop is disk latency, but with those 5400rpm SATA drives in the macbooks, I doubt it will.
One thing I have noticed with Mac WoW vs. Intel WoW -- zooming out (like, with the scroll wheel) goes maybe 15 yards back in the Mac version and double that in the intel version. (e.g.: on the IF bridge in front of the AH, I can stand in the center and zoom out, straight up, and my visibility is almost exactly the length of the bridge -- on my intel box, the visibility is double that (I can see quite a ways of of the bridge)). Sadly, Blizzard has not responded to my support request regarding this.
Wishing happy valentine's day to slashdotters is like wishing Merry Christmas to a hindu.
Apple contracts out construction of their laptop, so in a way you're correct that it goes down the same assembly line. The difference is that they contract out to highly respected manufactures. So your MacBook is likely to come off the line next to a Toshiba, but probably not an Acer. Acer always contracts to the lowest bidder. So of course they cost less, but are less well manufactured. The REALLY important thing regarding manufacturing , however, is the hardware that actually goes into it. This makes a big difference in stability and durability. Apple uses higher quality hardware, so you're Mac is likely to be around much longer than your Acer. I have a 6 year old mac running dual 1.6ghz G4s (upgrade) that does core image and everything. You wouldn't know it was that old, and it spent half of it's life sitting in a dusty warehouse waiting to be thrown away. Even my 6 year old linux box is consigned to the file sharing roll now.. and likely to lose even that lowly function before long. The mac is doing some pretty heavy graphics work.
It's not really fair compairing the price of a Mac to an Acer. If you compare it to premium Windows brands, it's about the same. Also.. if you want to use anything other than Windows, you'll be making big compromises w/ the Acer (a lot of hardware is not likely to work).
In the end I find Mac laptops to be only a $100-200 more than the equivelant offerings. That's fairly negligable in mind and worth the added benefits. At least that's for the Power/MacBooks. I honostly wouldn't bother with an iBook. They are (IMO) this worst of the Mac products. I'd just wait for the next paycheck and get the Power/Pro.
What's great about the MacBook again? It it not compatible with PC Cards,
Very few people care. Even on Slashdot, when this subject came up last, seemingly only a small percentage of PB owners used the PC card slot to begin with; among PC users the most common use of the slot was for WLAN cards, which are built-in on the Mac. As for memory card readers, they are starting to come out already. I think because of the small form factor, you're never going to see a CompactFlash one in there, but I think most people are fine with USB ones anyway -- I can't imagine that's a deal-breaker for very many people.
It has no GPRS/EDGE/EVDO/1xRTT wireless WAN card, and no slot for adding one.
This is a legitimate complaint for people that use WAN services, but the MacBook does have the ExpressCard slot, so this situation probably won't last very long. It's the usual early-adopter problem, but as Dell and HP have also said they're going to release ExpressCard notebooks soon, I think you're going to see WAN devices fairly quickly. (There are USB EVDO and WAN devices around also, although I don't know if they're officially supported -- although last time I checked, the PCMCIA EVDO cards weren't officially supported on anything but Windows, either.) I further suspect that most WAN users are business types, who are usually stuck with Windows anyway, so that like PC card slots generally, it's not a deal breaker for a very significant market.
It has no SmartCard reader. The battery life, although unannounced, is expected to be average.
I think the demand for SmartCard readers is very limited, also. At best, it's a niche market, especially on the Mac. Most people I know who use SmartCards, use them to access secure systems, which are almost universally PC-based. No big loss of market there. Plus, Apple has never supported SmartCards themselves -- if enough people want it, there will be a ExpressCard reader, but I wouldn't hold your breath (plus I'm not sure it would fit). Or use an external USB reader.
As far as I can tell, the MacBook lacks any kind of feature that sets it apart, other than running MacOS X. The Acer TravelMate, Ferrari series and the Thinkpad X series seem to be much better computers if you don't need MacOS X.
Mac OS X is the feature that sets it apart, at least from PC laptops. And it sets it apart far enough that there's not really a comparison -- people generally pick an OS first, and then pick hardware. This is especially true of Apple users; the fact that the Acer or IBM isn't a Mac puts them out of the competition from the very beginning.
The thing that distinguises the MacBook from other Apple laptops is the software compatibility. It's not really practical to run some applications on a G3 or even G4, and also I think it's important not to underestimate the importance of people buying a fast computer simply because it's fast, and not for any real reason. Nobody wants to spend $2k for something that's not the best around, so perception is a large part of the sale.
As for battery life, just from personal experience I think Apple will do well there. My old iBook still gets better battery life than my ThinkPad PC notebook which is brand new -- and the PC notebook runs at less than 50% of its normal processor speed when it's not on AC power. Apple's "average" battery life of 3-4 hours would be at the higher end of what I've been told is normal from many PC users, and confirmed from my own experience (I get roughly 90min or less of 'real world' usage out of mine).
I do agree with your general analysis though, as someone who already has an existing Mac laptop. I'm not sure that Apple has created any gigantic reasons to upgrade to the MacBook right now, for anyone who's system is currently meeting their immediate needs. Which is good, considering that they've included some definite 'early adopter' technology in this system; this is the first machine in a new series, I don't think it's intended for everybody.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
I know it is a bit much to expect from a slashdot posting, but those of us who can read English learned long ago that there is a difference between "has started shipping", which is what the slashdot posting says, versus "will begin shipping", which is what the article actually says.
Yes, the article said "this week", which is pretty soon. But I still maintain that there is a difference between the future an dthe past. Conventional of me, I know.
Its just so hard to justify $600+ MacTax for 1lb of less weight and a few minor extras.... Case in point CompUSA is selling an Acer duo... for 1299.
Some of the hardware differences:
To be fair, bumping up the 1.8GHz Mac to 2GB Ram & the 120GB drive puts the cost at $2699. At that point you may as well add another $200 and get the 2.0GHz chip too. But is having a laptop with the above hardware improvements that runs OS X worth twice as much cash? That's a personal decision, but I bet lots of folks will vote with their wallets on this one.
In my mind notebooks are the only sector of the personal computer market where you really do get what you pay for. Regardless of the brand, use a $3000 notebook for a month then try to go back to a $1500 one. You won't be pleased.
--Mid
Compare for yourself:
MacBook Pro Specs
Acer Aspire 5670 Specs
Bravo -- you hit the nail on the head exactly.
I think this pretty much sums up Apple's retail strategy completely.
The closest they ever get to a "sale" (usually a bit before the holidays, another one over the summer) is that they'll up-spec the whole lineup by a certain amount. The beauty of this is that people generally don't see the price on the laptop they bought decreasing -- they usually don't bump the specs by so much at once that the middle-of-the-road system instantly becomes the $999 one, it happens gradually. Even though the different systems (Fast, Faster, Fastest) become more powerful over time, it avoids the feeling of being ripped off that's common to computer purchasers when they go online six months later and find out the system they purchased for $1k is now $600. You'll never see that on Apple's site: all you'll ever see are three systems for each model, and always at (about) the same three price points. They just become progressively better, not the same model becoming "cheaper." It's kind of a subtle psychological thing, but it works.
It's also great because most people (most 'average consumers,' and definitely most parents who are buying a computer for a kid) pick out the price they're willing to pay FIRST, then choose specs. So they decide, "okay, I'll spend a grand on a laptop." And that's it -- aside from maybe a little upselling, that's what they're willing to pay. Very few people actually go out with an idea of the specifications of the computer they want to purchase (e.g. "I want a 1.2GHz system with 512MB RAM and a 80GB hard drive with WiFi."). Geeks may do that, but the majority of the people lined up at the Apple Store probably don't.
I have a feeling that the strategy was one that they developed as a company after it became clear that they weren't going to win the megahertz war; you don't want people emphasizing specifications, you want them to associate the price directly with the product, and that product with the user experience. The hardware specs are details. They're nerdy. Ignore them. And people do -- happily.
If you look at how Apple advertises its higher-end products (the Power Macs) you'll notice there's slightly more emphasis on specifications and customization, and less on price. But at the entry level, there are usually three price points, and three products: 'you pays your money and yous gets your computer.'
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Does anyone else here get the irony of /.-ers spending virtual lifetimes bashing 'Doze, hating every byte of M$ kruftware, and yearning for an environmental catastrophe in Redmond, then getting all excited about the potential of running XP on a new MacBook?
Am I alone here when I utter a collossal WTF?
Believe it or not, there are different kinds of people on Slashdot! Whoa!
Some people don't like Microsoft. They probably still don't.
Some people do like Microsoft, and take exception to the fact that they've decided to come to a place where a lot of people don't. They'll post all about how persecuted they are and engage in passive-agressive discussion of the moderation system like "You are going to mod me down for this, I know it! Go ahead and prove me wrong unless you really are a bunch of elitist jerks." They will probably like to boot whatever they like on the Mac(Power)Book.
Some people don't care. They just want to run what they want to run on their hardware of choice. They'd like to know that Windows will run so that they can run whatever they want to run. After all, if Windows will run on it then most likely anything else will.
I know you all are going to mod me down for this, go ahead and prove me wrong unless you really are a bunch of moderators who think that this post doesn't merit a high score based on the quality of its content! Ha! So there.
---GEC
I'm but the humble pupil, seeking to snatch the scratchbuilt pebble from the master's fully articulated hand
The Dell 9300 is a single Centrino laptop. Not at all in the same class as the MacBook.
The e1705 has dual-core models available starting at $2221 ($1971 after rebate.)
So, for $20 less than the MacBook, you get a nearly identical-spec machine with a little bit more memory and... WOAH. Stop the press.
That $1971 Dell comes with "Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950", while the MacBook features a screamin' ATI Mobility Radeon X1600.
The closest the Dell can do to match that is add the NVIDA® GeForce(TM) Go 7800... For $300 more!
So, if you want a laptop that is suitable for gaming, you will pay $300 if you follow the "Dell Dude's" advice.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Oh my you are right. It is an easy choice. Thanks for the info!!!
Now if i can just find out why my WoW game wont load on the PS2.... Might have to call in support. You think its a driver issue?
Just to be pedantic: The WebCore/WebKit frameworks are sort-of tied into the OS. If you replace/trash Safari.app, you have not touched the parts that actually do the job of rendering web content. You also can't just replace the version of Safari that shipped with your computer (speaking in general terms... there are means to use the latest versions, but these often have the requirement of the latest OS anyways). In these regards Safari/MacOS X is similar to IE.
However, Finder.app does not use Safari, and dependancies are few and far between (Help.app would be one), so this is a much more limited thing than IE.
With the Intel-based Macs, I wonder if Apple will feel the pressure to keep up the GHz race with other PCs. If so, does that mean an updated CPU every few months?
Apple could dodge the GHz number when they're on the PowerPC. That's harder to do now.
When non-technical users look at buying Apple, one of the first things they typically will hear is that it isn't 100% compatible with Windows programs (Virtual PC isn't perfect)*.
That creates a degree of trepidation, and in some cases is enough to discourage a sale. That is why it is called a "switch" rather than an "add" campaign.
If supporting Windows is so terrible then why does WINE exist?
Yes, you and I might not use Windows, but some people do. And some people do actually need it for running custom programs.
People who don't know much about computers are typically a little timid of them. I like the thought of being able to tell people not to worry [sic: , relax], and that all their software will work on a shiney new Apple laptop (I only recommend Apple laptops, but would never buy a desktop), and that the quality of an Apple laptop (not to mention with Apple care) is well worth the initial cost.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_PC - So to be honest you have to use a line like "your Apple SHOULD be able to run every Windows program" rather than "your Apple can run every Windows program" People don't like maybes when spending more than a thousand dollars.
Am I open minded towards open source, or closed minded towards closed source?
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I ordered a MacBook Pro on January 10th. I ordered the top of the line (at that point) standard configuration. My first ship date was Feb. 15. My next ship date was Feb. 28. Today, I received confirmation that my NEW order date would be March 3.
Needless to say, I'm livid with Apple. I cancelled my order. I then called my local Apple Store (Newark, DE). They said they would be receiving MBPros next week.
In other words, Apple's priority is to ship MacBook Pros to people who have not even purchased them yet, rather than those who have been waiting for what will be nearly two months.
As a twenty-year Apple customer, I am ticked to say the least.
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Wow. That's the biggest bit of flamebait I've seen in a long time... Let's break it down, point by point.
While AMD is indeed outselling Intel in the 'retail desktop' market, there is nothing 'traditional' about this, it's a recent turn of events. And by most counts, the Pentium-M and Core Duo are at least a match for the latest AMDs. Yes, the Pentium 4/Pentium D suck. That's why Intel is abandoning that core.
Ah, AMD fanboy speak. I'm sorry, but Core Duo simply spanks any available AMD mobile solution. Check out some reviews (Core Duo 2 GHz, ATI X1400 scores 2092 3DMark05's, and... Oh, wait, I can't find any reviews of a dual-core mobile AMD with current-generation graphics... Sorry. The best I could find was 1203 3DMark05's for a 1.6 GHz Turion with AMD X700 graphics. I looked for over half an hour. Only one review of an AMD-equipped laptop without integrated graphics. And AMD doesn't offer dual-core mobile at any price.
possibly? You can choose the amount of RAM you want... Better integrated graphics? Look again. Apple has X1600 at 128 or 256 MB of VRAM. I only found one non-chipset graphics on an AMD notebook, and it was 64 MB X700. Although I did find an Alienware with a desktop processor and video chip for significantly more than a MacBook Pro (when configured with the slowest dual-core processor, and all other specs equal to the MacBook.)
Yes, and most of the customizations are necessary to bring it to the minimum level of the MacBook; and my 2.0 GHz Core Duo and 256 MB ATI X1600 will be just horrible for gaming. I mean, for crying out loud, the Alienware $2500 portable gaming monster only comes with 256 MB of system memory by default!
If it's the same hardware, then it's the same computing power. You can install Linux on a Mac just as a Windows machine. And, again, configure the same between a PC company and a MacBook Pro, and you'll find that you're not paying 'way more' money. Maybe a little more, but as I like 'thin and light', it's worth it to me. (And, as I mentioned, if you configure an Alienware the same, it ends up significantly more expensive.) Nobody ever said Apple was a 'cheap' supplier. They're at the same level as Alienware, or Dell's XPS series. Or compare to a ThinkPad or a Sony. Those are the same 'level' of computer as a Mac. Don't compare to a Compaq or a generic.
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.