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The Future of the N-Gage

Gamasutra has a talk with Jani Karlsson, senior manager for the N-Gage at Nokia. He talks about how Nokia sees the N-Gage, and what they plan to do with the little engine that could've in the near future. Sort of. Kinda. From the article: "GS: So the new handsets which are coming out with the N-Gage technology inside. What's the visibility of the brand of N-Gage within those? JK: I really can't comment on that because I'd be stepping on other peoples turf. Every single product that Nokia has a strong individual marketing message to it. The power to decide the visibility or non-visibility of any brand, external or internal, is really down to individual brand departments. GS: So... you can talk about the future of N-Gage? JK: Sure - that's all about expansion, into the smartphone areas."

34 comments

  1. Vapid by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    I predict the N-Gage's future, much like this comments page, will be devoid of any real content.

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    1. Re:Vapid by MS_Word · · Score: 1

      At least this comment page is easy to use and I dont have to remove the battery from my laptop to go to a different site.

    2. Re:Vapid by CBackSlash · · Score: 2, Informative

      The N-Gage-QD fixes the battery removal issue.

      Now, you only have to remove your battery to swap
      your SIM card, which is not too frequently.

      Screwups like that are part of the "great learning experience"
      referenced in the interview.

    3. Re:Vapid by jandrese · · Score: 1

      screwups like that are also in the blindly freaking obvious category. The problem is that it was designed as a cell phone, but marketed as a game machine.

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    4. Re:Vapid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The N-Gage-QD also only has mono audio (original N-Gage has stereo), and has lost the integrated MP3 player.

  2. It's future? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

    Is to join those ten thousand Atari 2600 ET carts at the bottom of that landfill in New Mexico

  3. Does anyone even care anymore? by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other words they're just going to put the right firmware in their high end phones that will let them play N-Gage games, despite the fact that almost nobody is making those. It'll be one of those expensive little side features that nobody uses. Hopefully the high end phones won't have to take on the awkward asthetics of a real N-Gage.

    I'm guessing Nokia overestimated the market for halfassed ports of uninspired games on a clumsy phone/game hybrid system. The good news is that new phones should have support for better games than Worms, but they're never going to be a competitor to the DS or even the PSP.

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    1. Re:Does anyone even care anymore? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      The good news is that new phones should have support for better games than Worms

      I think you misspelled 'more technologically advanced games than Worms'.

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  4. An owner of the original n-gage by latroM · · Score: 1

    I have to say that it was really cool to buy a symbian S60 phone which no one wanted for dirt cheap (iirc Nokia sold them only a couple of thousand). Other models with S60 were 2-3 times more expensive back then. The only complaint I have is the "elephant ear" type use when talking.

    1. Re:An owner of the original n-gage by takotech · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only complaint I have is the "elephant ear" type use when talking.

      I believe it's referred to as side talkin'.

  5. "We just want to enable experience" by BeardsmoreA · · Score: 1

    Did that closing statement mean anything to anyone?

    1. Re:"We just want to enable experience" by The-Bavis · · Score: 1

      It meant: "Hi, I am a businessman skilled at using a lot of neat-o words strung together to make it sound like I said something but I didn't."

  6. What we really want by Tidor · · Score: 2, Funny

    The N-Gage is dead to me until they bring back sidetalking How could they get rid of such a great feature?

    1. Re:What we really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You /. nerds are so predictable. Can you go through one story without referencing Penny Arcade or Sidetalking? Come up with some new material that isn't 4 years old.

    2. Re:What we really want by Yogger · · Score: 1

      1. In Soviet Russia, something new comes up with you.
      2. ???
      3. Profit!!!

  7. N Gauge by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Funny

    N Gauge is fine for making a small layout seem large, but I find it difficult to obtain the exact locomotives and cars that I want. This is odd, because N Gauge is rather popular in Europe and Japan. Of course, most Europeans and Japanese are probably not interested in recreating a cornbelt railroad. As a result, I would recommend most layout operators use HO, but N Gauge is not going anywhere.

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    1. Re:N Gauge by paedobear · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nokia don't seem to sell in Japan (ran adverts a few years ago, but nothing seemed to come of it) and their popularity has been in freefall in Europe for a while - even then, noone wanted an N-Gage.

    2. Re:N Gauge by ThePiMan2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      *Woosh* someone here never played with model railroads.

    3. Re:N Gauge by deadgoon42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I model in N-Guage and if you've been away from the hobby for a while, you'd be surprised at the quality and detail off the new N-Guage models. Atlas and Kato put out some real quality locomotives with lots of detail, and Micro-Train's rolling stock can't be beat. I've never heard of this Nokia brand though, are they European? If so, do they put out models in British N-Guage (1:148) or American N-Guage (1:160)?

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  8. New N-Gage shape! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    After the original taco-shaped N-Gage, and the followup shaped like a burrito, the logical next step would be a phone shaped like a quesadilla.

    1. Re:New N-Gage shape! by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1
      After the original taco-shaped N-Gage, and the followup shaped like a burrito, the logical next step would be a phone shaped like a quesadilla.

      Isn't a quesadilla shaped like a taco, only slightly larger and a little more flat? Maybe they should make it in the shape of a Crunch Wrap Supreme so it will be "Good to Go!"

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  9. What? by Merle+Darling · · Score: 1

    N-Gage has a future? I wasn't aware it even had a past..

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  10. The meat of their problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The N-GageQD is a cool phone. Most of the people who got them are happy with them. My nephew was one of them.

    The problem was classically chicken vs. egg. There is still (and you may find this odd) a viable market for those annoying little Java games that people download and play. Nokia just wanted to bring the next generation of gaming experience to their phones.

    The problem was form factor and controls, the phones of the day (when the original N-Gage came out), were phones like the Nokia 3650, the SE T610, the Motorola V180-V300. They didn't have the processing power to power a good game (e.g. Civilization) with the J2ME layer in the way, and they all had crappy controls for gaming (their little thumpads just didn't cut it). The N-Gage turned the phone on it's side so you could grip it/control it properly. It was a big step forward for gaming, but to get it they sacrificed it's usability as a phone. No one who "primarily wanted a phone, but was willing to pay more for better gaming." would have considered it, even though this was the identifying statement of their target market.

    The QD was a nice step in the right direction. It's a usable phone, and a decent game deck. If the first model had been the QD, I think they would have sold off the shelves. But it now had the Itanium problem, of the first mediocre product killing the buzz for the second much improved product.

    This led to secondary problem, with sales going "well but not amazingly" it was hard to get the game development wheels turning. And with poor selection, it's hard to get people to try out a new deck.

    I'm glad to hear that Nokia isn't dropping the technology. I'm part of the original target audience. I need a great phone, and would pay $30-$50 more if it would play decent games too. With phones like my 6682 having processor to spare and sharp displays, I have hope that the next version will have an "N-Gage Enabled" sticker on it, a couple of shoulder-buttons, and let me carry a handful of postage stamp sized games in my wallet to make those dead times (like waiting for one's order at Red Robin) fun again.

  11. N-Gage versus "N-Gauge" by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Okay... maybe I'm the only one here, but I was very confused for a moment. I thought they were referring to "N-Gauge," as the very small size model railroad track, but had just misspelled it. (Wikipedia tells me that it's properly called "N Scale" now.) I got all interested there for a minute -- I had visions of model trains you could control from your cell phone.

    I wonder what a model train would look like, if Nokia made them. Hummm...

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  12. I do believe... by cthellis · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...it is against grammatical rules to put "future" and. "N-Gage in the same sentence."

    1. Re:I do believe... by Stephen+Gilbert · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...it is against grammatical rules to put "future" and. "N-Gage in the same sentence.

      True, but there are always exceptions to the rule. In this case, the sentence is fine if the word "no" precedes "future". Grammar is tricky like that.

    2. Re:I do believe... by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      ...it is against grammatical rules to put "future" and. "N-Gage in the same sentence."

      Generally, ending a sentence with "and" is bad form too.

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  13. It's not a Gameboy that doubles as phone.... by keyrat+rafa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real problem with the N-Gage is the marketing. Instead of pitching it as a console that doubles as phone, they should sell it as a phone that also plays games. The features the N-Gage has dwarf a lot of phones that sell for the same price; thing is, no one thinks it's a phone. They sell it in stupid places like EB when they should sell them at the Cingular store. People pay outlandish prices for phones, but not for gameboys. Sell it as a phone that also plays games real well, has support for java and simbian and whatnot, and people will buy it. Maybe put a cam on it and a keyboard for two way sidekick type crap. How such a feature rich phone failed to sell when less feature packed phones sell like hotcakes for twice the price is really a mareketing problem.

    1. Re:It's not a Gameboy that doubles as phone.... by earthbound+kid · · Score: 1

      The new models might be good phones, I don't know. But the first model was the only phone with the only feature that matters:

      Sidetalkin'.

  14. Bad Rap by crescentmage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The N-Gage really isn't as bad as people like to believe. I will admit that I was less than impressed when the original came out with its issues of side talking, remove the battery to play games, and generally unappealing games. But Nokia has since fixed many of these problems, though the N-Gage image has never gotten over them. I bought an N-Gage QD because it was actually better than free ($50 rebate from T-mobile) and had bluetooth. Thanks to Symbian, I have an mp3 player, IM client (which works with T-mobile's $5 internet), and gameboy/NES/SuperNES/Sega emulators. While I don't own any of the first generation games save the crappy Tony Hawk that came with it, I've enjoyed a number of more recent ones. Catan is a great adaptation of the board game, Tiger Woods golf is a fun golf game, and the new Rifts RPG is one of the best RPGs I've played on a mobile platform. If it stays on track, the new Civilization game should be fun as well. Plus I can use a bluetooth headset and browse the web with my laptop, all on a phone that cost me less than nothing. And it works well as a phone too. I've had a lot of people laugh when I show them my phone, but once they watch me playing some Zelda or Rifts, the tone usually shifts to "Where can I get one?" Unfortunately, Nokia seems to have finally decided to abandon the platform. With the way their PR is going, I can't blame them, but it's sad to watch a phone that has finally matured die due to earlier blunders.

  15. Doom movie by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

    I recently watched the Doom movie and saw one of the squad-mates playing a clunky assed version of a Gameboy Advance - and thought "If N-Gage ever HAD a future, the result would be that clunky ass GBA lookin thing" - hopefully 40 years in the future, technology will have advanced to the point a GBA can fit in a contact lense, not regress to the size of a full blown console...

  16. N-Gage a great phone, plus it plays games... by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

    I switched to T-Mobile about a year ago, and got one of their crappy free camera phones.

    The cameras in those suck. And it didn't have Bluetooth, and even over USB it wouldn't sync with my Mac. So I went on craigslist, and found someone who was wanting a camera phone, and willing to trade for an N-Gage. I knew what an N-Gage was, I knew that even then, it had become a commercial failure. But it is a Symbian OS smartphone, with Bluetooth, that syncs with the Mac. Sure, whatever, I traded. He even threw in a second phone that he had bought as a spare.

    Well, as a TELEPHONE, it sucks. The form factor is horrible. (It looks like you're holding a gray taco to your ear.) But I use my Bluetooth headset 95% of the time, so that isn't that big a deal.

    As a smartphone, though... I think Symbian is the best smartphone OS out there now, after playing with 'Windows Smartphone', 'Windows Mobile' with phone features, and Palm-based phones. It just rocks. Heck, it even transfers the pictures from my desktop address book.

    As for games? Well, the phone came with a dozen or so games (the guy was an avid N-Gage fan, but apparently lost all interest,) and most of them are pretty crappy. The graphics are slightly better than an a Game Boy Advance, and it does do 'real' 3D, but the games all seem to be overly simplified. I am a big fan of the 'pen-and-paper' RPG Rifts, but haven't gotten around to buying the Rifts game for N-Gage yet. From all the reviews, I should like it, though.

    On a related note, I seem to be destined to buy obsolete/abandoned/whatever game systems, as last December I bought myself a clearance-priced Tapwave Zodiac, the Palm-based game machine made by a now-bankrupt company. It makes a kick-ass Palm, and is a much better game machine than the N-Gage, way better than the Game Boy Advance, but just can't hold a candle to the DS or PSP.

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  17. Bah! by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    Real geeks run Z scale... :o)

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  18. Have you considered a Treo? by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    I have MAME on my 650, and the D-pad is fine for controlling the classics (centipede, frogger, dig-dug).

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