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Genndy Tartakovsky to Direct Dark Crystal Sequel

An anonymous reader writes "The folks at Jim Henson productions announced almost without fanfare that a sequel to the impressive The Dark Crystal is in the works and will be directed by the award-winning Genndy Tartakovsky, who created the hit series Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Samurai Jack and Dexter's Laboratory, will direct 'Power of the Dark Crystal,' the sequel to the 1982 classic fantasy film."

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  1. It won't be the same by metricmusic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aughra: Where is Brian Froud?
    Jen: He's dead.
    Aughra: Could be anywhere, then.

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  2. OMG! by wintered · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    One of my all time favourite 80's movies!!! (Closely followed by the Goonies and the Princess Bride).

    1. Re:OMG! by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      You forgot Labyrinth buddy!

    2. Re:OMG! by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd be curious whether they can catch the magical quality of the slightly-clunky and campy animation of the original. Or whether they bury it in modern-day CGI effects.

      (I also read the book at some point while growing up. Not sure if it was a screeplay-to-book or if it was more of the original story prior to being made into a screenplay.)

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    3. Re:OMG! by 0WaitState · · Score: 1

      Ranking "Dark Crystal" above "Princess Bride" marks you a fooking maroon. Or are you merely a GOUS (Geek Of Unusual Stupidity)?

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  3. Re:Stuff that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Maybe it doesn't matter to you - but it does to some people.

    Me for example.

    Dunno if it will match the original film - but still, cool news.

  4. Re:OMG WTF AOL LOL! by ROBOKATZ · · Score: 1

    I don't think anyone is arguing that Legend didn't suck.

  5. Not so sure by burntsigil · · Score: 1

    Yeah....I'm not so sure this is a good idea. I have fond memories of that movie and I don't want to see them going up in flames.

    1. Re:Not so sure by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%. This movie is part of many peoples childhoods. Maybe the sequal will be part of the next generations. But, if there is anything that I've learned, it's you can't go back.

      I fear that for us, this movie will be a mockery.

    2. Re:Not so sure by Pad-Lok · · Score: 1

      Yeah....I'm not so sure this is a good idea. I have fond memories of that movie and I don't want to see them going up in flames.

      I fear that for us, this movie will be a mockery.

      How would a sequel affect your perception of the first movie? Thats something I cant grasp when everyone is bitching about the new Star Wars, Matrix sequels or what ever. I've seen the SW sequels which didnt live to the expectations, still the originals are the same kick-ass as ever. Nothing changed. Same with Matrix, first one still the same even when the sequels are lame.

      Dark Crystal is one of the best childhood memories I have and I doubt watching this sequel will ruin it in any way, even if it sucks big time.

      But thats just me.

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    3. Re:Not so sure by Sky+Cry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've got a perfect solution for you... don't watch the sequel!

    4. Re:Not so sure by Jubetas · · Score: 1
      Two words as to why the new Star Wars movies, at the very least, damaged my perceptions of the originals: Midi-chlorians. Ok, well one hyphenated word, then.

      I know there are a lot of people who like them for whatever god-awful reason, but these things take the Force from being a mystical energy that surrounds and guides life and reduces it to something horribly similar to an abysmal anime. "Well my midi-chlorian count is over... TWO million! I have the power to go... SUPER-Jedi!"

      Having said my peace as far as Star Wars goes, I'm also hoping that this movie won't be terrible, as I love the original. The plot so far doesn't sound promising: (FTFA) "Power of the Dark Crystal follows the adventures of a mysterious girl made of fire who, together with a Gelfling outcast, steals a shard of the legendary Crystal in an attempt to reignite the dying sun that exists at the center of the planet."

      Honestly, this sounds more like a job for Superman.

    5. Re:Not so sure by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

      Now I know there may be books and whatnot that negate what I'm going to say, but I don't know that for sure. Taking directly from the movies, I did not lose any sense that the Force was any less of a mystical energy field created by and yet surrounding and guiding all life simply because people interfaced with it through the midi-chlorians.
      The force is what it is. The midi-chlorian count simply explains part of the interface. It was clear that some people were stronger in the force than others and I think we all knew something more or less genetic controlled how "strong" one was in the force.
      They might have well said, "Whoa! He's got a recessive yet powerful gene in the Force chromosone." (Clearly I'm not a geneticist).
      Just because we were explained the mechanism behind why some are more talented in their use of the force than others it doesn't discount the Force itself.

      Just my opinion.

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    6. Re:Not so sure by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      It's a sequel, not a remake. If you are really really worried, just don't see it.

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    7. Re:Not so sure by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      I think a sequel to Dark Crystal makes about as much sense as a sequel to Bambi: none. In both cases, it is the result of a movie studio unable to come up with original material.

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    8. Re:Not so sure by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 1
      How would a sequel affect your perception of the first movie?

      Um, it wouldn't. But, the second movie still could make a mockery of the the whole thing. Doesn't mean that I'm gonna look down on the first movie, just means the second...

      Where did you get that?

      Point of fact, I still like Firefly the series even after watch the peice of go-se movie.

    9. Re:Not so sure by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
      Snowman: you've expressed exactly what I was thinking when I saw this. Do you do tarot readins as well? ;-)

      I have fond memories of both Dark Crystal and Bambi, but both are singular movies and complete in themselves. I don't see what another movie would bring to the world, other than a few bucks into producers' pockets.

      On the other hand, after reading TFA, this movie seems to be a movie set in the same "universe" as Dark Crystal, but also distinct. It might actually have some merit.

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    10. Re:Not so sure by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      For the most part, I think sequels are stupid and pointless. Movies tend to stand alone very well unless they were written from the beginning to be part of a series (e.g. Star Wars). Sometimes, a sequel works well despite not being written to be a series (e.g. Toy Story 2, Lethal Weapon 2-4). However, the other 99% of the time, sequels are hack jobs that try to inject new content into a balanced movie, and rarely works out well.

      If, as you say, this movie just exists in the same movie universe but isn't directly connected to the story, it may very well be a good movie. Rather than pile on more stuff into the existing characters and story, leave well enough alone and just reuse the same themes and ideas into a new movie in the same "universe."

      Now, as long as they make the movie from a bunch of ghetto low-budget muppets, it should be perfect!

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    11. Re:Not so sure by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      If anyone here bothered to even watch the movies, you might have picked up that although the Jedi understand there is a general correlation between the presence of midichlorians and force sensitivity, no-where did they say that "Midichlorian count(x) = Force Power(y)". Qui-Gonn said himself he had no idea what Anakins midichlorian count meant, just that it was significant.

      Considering you have a very high tech future society, you should understand that they would be advanced enough to the point where they could understand that the Force isn't "magic" per sei, so much as Yoda says, an energy field that surrounds living things. It's ridiculous to believe there could be such a thing as the Force without getting a few scientists to have a look at it. Turns out a simple symbiotic organism (mammals have many, many little animals inside them doing all sorts of stuff) bears a small degree of correlation to force sensitivity. Heck, as far as we know it might not even be causal - the sensitivity to the Force, the energy field that life creates etc, draws the midichlorians to the wielder.

      Star Wars is science fiction (even if it is bad science).

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  6. The Crystal Method by SinGunner · · Score: 2, Informative

    another world
    another time
    in the age of wonder

    another world
    another time
    this land was green and good
    until the crystal cracked

    once more
    they will replenish themselves
    cheat death again
    the power of their source
    the crystal

    can't you can't you trip like i do
    can't you can't you trip like i do

    1. Re:The Crystal Method by Narcocide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just for the record this man is responsible for Samurai Jack and The PowerPuff Girls arguably the most influential and creative American cartoon works of the post-anime era.

    2. Re:The Crystal Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got to be fucking kidding me. If you're citing Powerpuff Girls as an example of progressive American culture, then to be quite honest I don't think there's any hope left for you people.

    3. Re:The Crystal Method by JadeAuto · · Score: 1

      oh my god this is the best.... 3

    4. Re:The Crystal Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he did powerpuff girls. Instead that was Craig McCracken.

  7. don't forget the shocking twist by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the girl ones have wings and can fly

    my head asploded when i saw that film at a tiny age. i still remember that little creature those grizzled vulture dudes pinned down and fried with some sort of ray to extract some life extending goop. and how when one of the evil vulture dudes would die, their "good" counterpart would die as well

    serious lsd trip-like stuff for a little kid, it left an impression

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    1. Re:don't forget the shocking twist by Omaze · · Score: 1

      The vulture dudes were "Skeksis". I forget what the monkish guys were called. And yes, my head asploded as well when the wings showed up.

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    2. Re:don't forget the shocking twist by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Mystics. And third vote for the asploding head at that scene

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    3. Re:don't forget the shocking twist by Vanye1 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the mystics were uknown as the UrRu.

  8. It has to be said by jftitan · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our... You get the point.

    I don't really know what to say about this article. Whether or not this is a good or bad thing, this is left to be seen when something is available to be seen. However, if my memory serves me right, the Dark Crystal wasn't all that good. BUT!!!! I did like it. I enjoyed the fantasy of the story, but due to the fact I didn't get to see it until 4 years ago, thanks to modern unimaginative CG movies we have these days, I personally didn't get all to into the movie.

      I can say in my defense is that I am more of a SciFi person above all else. Should this have a sequel? NO! Because this movie ended well. Should the Hensen productions allow this to happen, sure why not.

      I just hope that quality and the story line doesn't get all screwed up due to the massive change is direction of the director.

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    1. Re:It has to be said by tezbobobo · · Score: 1

      It is not because you are a sci fi fan or because of CG that you didn't REALLY like it. The reason is that, for this movie to really appeal, you had to see it in your youth.

      As a child you can forgive the crude mechatronics, or puppetry, or whatever the hell it was. As a younger person with their limitless imagination, there is a completely new world for total immersion. There is also life concepts of good and evil and there co-dependence. Maybe that's just crap though.

      The Dark Crystal was for me though probably one of the prime movers for my introduction to the fantasy genre. The escapism it alloed was amazing.

    2. Re:It has to be said by bjohnson · · Score: 1

      Hardly. I saw it and loved it as an adult when it first came out. Saw it numerous times then and over the years...it holds up quite well.

      You merely need to be able to accept the film on it's merits, not it's technique.

      If you go into it expecting hyper-realistic SFX, you're going to be disappointed.

      If you go in with no preconceptions, that's a different story.

  9. Re:Wow! by Witchblade · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Also, without the presence of Brian Froud, the heart of the original, I am skeptical.

    From TFA (er, press release):

    Legendary fantasy artist Brian Froud, designer of the original film, will return to design the new characters.

    The only person missing is Jim... and he could be anywhere.

  10. "almost without fanfare?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that like being almost not rich?

  11. Genndy Tartakovsky? by revscat · · Score: 1
    Man, I dunno about this guy. Dexter's Lab was ok, but the Clone Wars sucked ASS. Holy crap. There were sooo many times in that thing I would just cringe in embarrassment.

    I hope I'm wrong. Dark Crystal was awesome. It's just a big strike against the chances of the sequel being respectful of the originality and imagination of the original.

    1. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hope I'm wrong.

      Not to offend, but you are wrong. The Clone Wars shorts were absolutely amazing, and in my opinion stand head and shoulders above the actual films (perhaps not so hard to do). Maybe you were expecting something from them that they weren't intended to provide, or maybe it was the unusual animation style, but I would strongly recommend watching them again.

      I don't know if making a Dark Crystal sequel is a good idea, but since they're doing it I'm thrilled to know that Tartakovsky is in charge.

    2. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by superiority · · Score: 1

      Really? I find that odd, because everybody I know, from those who like The Waterboy to those who like The Royal Tenenbaums think it absolutely rocks. What don't you like about it? Also, I must agree with my sibling post in that you have to watch Samurai Jack.

    3. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

      If by "amazing" you mean "sucked," then yes!

      Maybe he was given an awful story to work with, but after Dexter and Samurai Jack, I expected a lot more. A lot more.

    4. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      I'm with rev

      My boy and I really tried to enjoy them.

      Funnily enough I didn't know until now they were by the same guy that brought us Mandark and Mojo Jojo.

      Maybe I didn't have enough faith, it wouldn't be the first time one needs to watch a few, leave it and then watch them again to get over the culture shock.

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    5. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It wasn't quite like shooting heroine into the tip of my penis, but the Clone Wars micro series he did was beyond just TV. I was making damn sure what ever I had to do there was time set aside to watch those live. I have the DVDs and still I'm blown away. That man single handedly rescued the Star Wars of my childhood after what Lucas did it. Before he came along, I'd even pared down the series to just Empire Strikes back.

      The ephemeral sense of wonder, and childhood impression of daring is something he recaptures with startling regularity. To say nothing of the cultural pool he draw from and weaves into his stories for another generation. If someone is going to make a followup to Dark Crystal, I'm glad its him.

    6. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by pla · · Score: 1

      Also, I must agree with my sibling post in that you have to watch Samurai Jack.

      Oddly enough, I've liked everything he's done except Samurai Jack.

      Somehow, Professor Utonium in a bathrobe with a sword, acting all serious and silent just never did it for me.

      But aside from that, I'll agree with what others have said - I don't know if screwing with a sequel to something Henson made seems like such a good idea, but I'll give it a shot just because they have Tartakovsky directing it.

    7. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Stinky+Fartface · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry mate, got to disagree (mostly) with you on this one. Dexter was pretty damn good- an honestly funny show which is rare in children's animation these days. The voices were partcularly sharp and the art direction was very good. Samurai Jack was fantastic in almost every aspect- great plots, beautiful artwork and superb direction. The Star Wars stuff was ok- but his hands were tied by the Lucas people in many respects. The second series was better than the first, and had a lot more of his style reflected in them. I am pretty jazzed about him directing the Dark Crystal sequel, although I am a bit leery of the distance between films. My main worry is that they will replace the excellent puppets and costumes with some over animated and underwhelming CG crap.

    8. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by rabel · · Score: 1

      Thanks Mom! -- Genndy

    9. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Ahhh... Today is a fine day for movies.

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    10. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Genndy didnt create Mojo Jojo. I believe it was craig bartlet. Im sure genndy directed some of them though. Cartoon Network's studio works much like termite terrace in the old days. They pool the work from episode.

      Sorry in a hurry so I didn't have time to proof.

    11. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by JohnnyLocust · · Score: 1

      but the Clone Wars sucked ASS

      What, are you insane? Both volumes won a friggin Emmy for Outstanding Animated Program. 'Twas the movies that sucked ass.

    12. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by kadathseeker · · Score: 1

      I'm in a funny position. I haven't seen Dark Crystal, but have seen his other works without realizing till now that they were all the same person. Dexter's lab was pretty good, but I prefer anime to any western stuff. I think I'll check out Dark Crystal anyway. Sequels after this long a time don't seem to work out well very often. Like the Star Wars prequels.

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    13. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Heembo · · Score: 1

      but the Clone Wars sucked ASS. Holy crap

      What are you blind man? How about the 10 minute elongated scene with Mace in the heat of battle? Or when Yoda uses his mind power to navigate an enemy shit directly into another ship right before landing? The catroon serious had an element beyond the movies that was awe-inspiring. Very different than the movies, duh, but they were incredible and fantastic in their own right!

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    14. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big problem with The Clone Wars was that Cartoon Network hyped the hell out of them, and then they just weren't that impressive. I remember watching the first one, expecting something exciting, and it was just Anakin flying away with Padme waving at him. The later ones were more exciting, but there just wasn't much story going on. Breaking them up into such short segments didn't help. I lost all interest after about the 4th one.

    15. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by fermion · · Score: 1
      Dexter's Lab was the done when he was becoming very popular. It was a good show, taken from the perspective of a child, full of the fanstansy and nondeterminstic thougth that is typical of a child. It is pretend, and only makes sense if you are a child or a creative adult. In particular, adolescents and teens are too obsesed with rules, learning the rules, and bending the rules to thier advantage for such a show to be of any interest. The other work he has done, like 2 stupid dogs, shows the level of creativity he is capable of.

      Now, I agree with you that his work is bit spotty, and often does not transcend the childish plot. He is not as good as Gabor/Klasky at building a childs world that also works at the adolescent and teen level.

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    16. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Cutriss · · Score: 1

      I can easily see either viewpoint - Dexter's Laboratory took a break after the first few seasons, and the series went on in syndication for a while. Later on, some more episodes were ordered, but the writing and art direction of these were clearly different, and clearly sub-par in comparison. I think Dexter's VA might even have changed, and a quick check on IMDB proves I was right. I think Dexter basically died after they made the direct-to-DVD movie release. That in and of itself was decent, but not fabulous, but it clearly marked a shark-jumping point.

      By this time, Tartakovsky was putting a lot more work into Samurai Jack I'm sure, and without his direct influence on Dexter, the series went south. One change I can think of in particular is that Deedee was turned from the charming nuisance into basically a total retard, and on occasion, the writing bore this on Dexter as well.

      I wanna see a Justice Friends spinoff...

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    17. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      Or when Yoda uses his mind power to navigate an enemy shit directly into another ship right before landing?

      That must've been in the director's cut. I think I would have remembered that. :-)

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    18. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Heembo · · Score: 1

      I assume you are talking about http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/

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    19. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that Battlestar Galactica thing they have on TV is just tripe, what happened to the robot monkey dog in a suit? And the little kid? And what's with crossdressing Starbuck??

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    20. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Kelson · · Score: 1

      Clone Wars sucked ASS.

      Are you serious?

      Clone Wars was the best Star Wars of the decade, tons better than any of the three prequels.

      Of course, that's from watching them all at once on the DVD. I imagine if I'd seen them in 3-minute chunks (what idiot came up with that idea?) it would've been considerably less interesting.

    21. Re:Genndy Tartakovsky? by Sinistar2k · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Sucked?

      As a fairly avid Star Wars fanboy, I appreciated and enjoyed Genndy's take on the Star Wars universe. The art direction was great. The dialog, true to the action roots planted by Samurai Jack, was sparse but effective. The battles had a good sense of excitement to them, much unlike the fights seen in the recent Eps 1-3.

      I'm curious to hear why you thought Clone Wars sucked.

  12. Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide" by Badmovies · · Score: 4, Informative

    I see that the voice talents seem to be the same people. This immediately looks good, but I have found that this is not always the case. Anyone else who has listened to the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" show probably knows what I mean. The first two series were done within a short time of each other. They also had Douglas Adams' input. The third (and others) were made about twenty-five years later. They are nothing like the first two; I never listen to the CD of the third series that I purchased. Most of the major voice talents are the same. Including Zaphod, who sounds like a roaring drunk in rehab, in the new series. And, possibly most of all, the performances do not have any of the charm and energy that the first two exhibit.

    The choice of director is heartening and seems like a good choice, but I did not watch the clone wars series so I have not seen Tartakovsky do anything that did not have a strange sense of humor. That could work for Aughra, but Jen and Kira were pretty straight forward. The reason I am concerned is that Jean-Pierre Jeunet does good on movies like "Delicatessen" and "Amelie," but totally missed the mark with "Alien: Resurrection." There are other examples of directors who seem to have a certain type of movie pegged (and do great making those movies) and cannot adjust to something different.

    Let us just hope that the script is good and everything comes together.

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  13. Re:OMG WTF AOL LOL! by MilenCent · · Score: 0

    I know I'm not.

    Er, or maybe I am? Stupid double negatives!

  14. Forgot The Powerpuff Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    C'mon, you know you liked watching them ;)

    And I'm being quite truthfull. That's good "X" viewing.

    1. Re:Forgot The Powerpuff Girls by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      That was originally Craig McCracken's production. Tartakovsky did some work on it as well, but you know that by now.

      If you go back and watch the old Space Ghost Coast to Coast ep/special where they rolled out three debuts on their What A Cartoon show, they do a mock-up of a pageant where the producers of each short vies for a regular spot in the Cartoon Network lineup.

      They aired the original pilot with Fuzzy Lumpkin, his meat gravy, and his meat ray. Funny how that show was never aimed at young girls early on.

  15. Re: Samurai Jack by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Watch them all. Watch them many times. In order, out of order... your perception will be changed. This man is incredible.

  16. Froud is in... but Tartakovsky is too. by Cappy+Red · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Genndy Tartakovasky, the master of style over substance. His presence, combined with a quote like the following from Lisa Henson, does not fill me with confidence:

    "I am sure that his visualization of Brian Froud's designs will thrill fans of the original film as well as audiences who are meeting these beloved characters for the first time."

    The quote is also disheartening for that "audiences who are meeting these beloved characters for the first time," bit. I can understand about slashdotters missing out on items like the movie being "set hundreds of years after the events of the first movie," but to neglect a fact like that while being quoted for a press release is rather disturbing.

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    1. Re:Froud is in... but Tartakovsky is too. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      This movie isn't aimed at you and me.

      The original Dark Crystal was excellent but it was a kid's movie. We liked because we were kids when we saw it. When we look at the original through adult's eyes, it won't be anywhere near as impressive, because the new Dark Crystal will also be a kids movie.

      Studios know where the best target market for these sorts of films is, and it isn't us.

      E.g. compare the box office of Harry Potter movies with Serenity. First one was unashamedly aimed at kids, second one aimed at 30 something sci fi geeks. Harry Potter makes hundreds of millions of dollars, Serenity just about broke even. If you look at the whole HP franchise - all the HP films, it will make literally billions of dollars, hundreds or thousands of times more than the Serenity franchise, because Serenity was only one film, and it's much harder to make the first film of a series than the subsequent ones. Just imagine trying to raise money for Serenity vs the next HP movie. The people that lend you money for HPn+1 know that it will make x% of the last movie - the numbers are big enough that you can probably plot a graph of profit vs series member and know best and worst case estimates. Since the worst case is still a sh*tload of money, it's an easy case to make.

      The people that lend you money for Serenity will moan about how it is based on a 'failed' series and have no idea if the rabid fans will get enough of their friends into a cinema to make the whole thing work.

      Simple economics predicts that this movie will disappoint fans of the original. It's a sad fact, but it's the truth.

      And before all the browncoats start pointing out that I'm ignoring DVD and foreign sales, you have to remember that it applies to HP too. If you add up all the possible sources of money, Serenity probably did ok. HP on the other hand did far better than ok. I'd like it not to be true, since I'd much rather watch Firefly than HP, but wanting something to be true doesn't automatically make it true.

      Here are the numbers for Serenity
      http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2005/FRFLY.php

      And here are the numbers for the HP franchise
      http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/HarryPott er.php

      You could reasonably predict that you can spend $150,000,000 on "HP: Order of the Phoenix" and get back between $800-$900M.

      For a movie aimed at the same demographic as Serenity, i.e. us, you're unlikely to make any real profit.

      So which demographic will the Dark Crystal target?

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    2. Re:Froud is in... but Tartakovsky is too. by bckspc · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it seems style over substance is what Henson's all about these days. Did you see Mirrormask? I read somewhere that Henson Co. is desperate for another Labyrinth. The movie flopped at the box office, but has been a consistent seller on DVD. It was supposed to be their Labyrinth "for the 21st century." But it was gawdawful. And I write that as a huge fan of Dave McKean's artwork. It was hard to sit through 2 hours of CGI romp with random magical plot and not much character development -- not to mention a soundtrack of smooth jazz. Ugh. Now it's time for the Dark Crystal.

    3. Re:Froud is in... but Tartakovsky is too. by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1

      The original Dark Crystal was excellent but it was a kid's movie. We liked because we were kids when we saw it. When we look at the original through adult's eyes, it won't be anywhere near as impressive, because the new Dark Crystal will also be a kids movie.

      Speak for yourself. I find Dark Crystal an impressive work as an adult. I don't buy the claim that "kid's movies" or for that matter fiction written for "kids" should be automatically bad or less impressive in scope than works created for adults. Some of the best fantasy of the 20th century fits neatly on young adult bookshelves, The Hobbit, Earthsea and to a lesser extent, Narnia.

      Dark Crystal is strongly impressive to me for a couple of reasons. First, it's one of the few fantasies that attempt to create an entire world in which human characters are non-existent. Second, it amazed me that Henson and Froud had the balls to produce a fantasy based on new-age conceptions of duality and schism rather than "slay the monster."

      E.g. compare the box office of Harry Potter movies with Serenity. First one was unashamedly aimed at kids, second one aimed at 30 something sci fi geeks. Harry Potter makes hundreds of millions of dollars, Serenity just about broke even. If you look at the whole HP franchise - all the HP films, it will make literally billions of dollars, hundreds or thousands of times more than the Serenity franchise, because Serenity was only one film, and it's much harder to make the first film of a series than the subsequent ones.

      And the sticky problem that Sorcerer's Stone was better-written, had a better cast, and ended up a considerably more entertaining afternoon than Serenity probably didn't have much to do with it. I suspect Rowling gets more adult than children's readers. And on the other side, the Disney empire distributes almost a dozen "family" movies a year, about half of which go direct to DVD/cable, and they get only one or two "hits" a year. As a few other datapoints, Hollywood gets a sci-fi blockbuster about once a year.

      There is a phrase there which highlights the basic problem, "aimed at 30 something sci fi geeks." I suspect that such demographic targeting is one of the best ways to make a bad film. Pixar's success has largely been because they manage to produce G-Rated scripts that can be enjoyed by all ages.

  17. Genndy Tartakovsky: FTW!!! by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    *seriously*

    WATCH Samurai Jack.
    WATCH the PowerPuff Girls.

    I mean *really* *really* WATCH them. This man is the man for the job. If you really see his previous work you will KNOW its true.

    1. Re: Genndy Tartakovsky: FTW!!! by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      You know what's sad? Nothing anyone had said until now made me interested in this sequel. Until your comment.

      Both of those cartoons are amazingly done. Each episode completely draws you in. It's not just about the director, though, it's the voice actors, the artists, the musicians, and especially the writer.

      If the Dark Crystal 2 will have the same quality throughout the staff as its director, it'll be a movie to remember. We can only hope.

      The Dark Crystal is my sister's favorite movie. I barely remember it, but I guess I'll have to watch it again.

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    2. Re: Genndy Tartakovsky: FTW!!! by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Samurai Jack is very psychedelic, and I enjoy watching it when I can. Love the Powerpuff girls, and Dexter's Lab too. Definately watch 'em before you knock 'em, this guy is good.

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  18. Re:Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide by mccalli · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Anyone else who has listened to the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" show probably knows what I mean. The first two series were done within a short time of each other. They also had Douglas Adams' input. The third (and others) were made about twenty-five years later. They are nothing like the first two; I never listen to the CD of the third series that I purchased. Most of the major voice talents are the same. Including Zaphod, who sounds like a roaring drunk in rehab, in the new series. And, possibly most of all, the performances do not have any of the charm and energy that the first two exhibit.

    We're going to have to agree to differ on this one, as I thought the quandary and quintessential radio series to be superb. Remember that the books themselves are darker by now, and that the performances are coloured accordingly. Remember too that the characters are supposed to be older and more experienced.

    As for having Douglas Adam's input, whilst I have the utmost respect for his work I thought the two recent series showed how much better things were when he had an editor or someone else to bounce off. I thought the last book was quite poor, and not just because of the ending. I also thought the fourth book was only so-so. But the radio series...both were superb, because they had editorial input from others. Douglas Adam's did not create HHGttG on his own first time round - that's why certain characters are missing from the books, because he didn't have the rights to them.

    Cheers,
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  20. Re:Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide by bani · · Score: 1

    but totally missed the mark with "Alien: Resurrection."

    even the best director in the universe can only do so much with a shit script.

  21. Re:Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide by paedobear · · Score: 1

    The script that leaked - which is the one being used when he came onboard - was so much better than the script we ended up with.

  22. It doesn't need a sequel by Old+Spider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The original movie wasn't unique for the time, but was still an excellent creation with a finite storyline. Creating a sequel to Dark Crystal is like creating a sequel to Highlander and Never Ending Story. The only points for doing so are: "Hey, I've got this cool (crappy) script and the connections to make it happen!", and "Hey, let's make some more money off this thing!" It won't have the same spirit which only comes from something that's new. This sequel won't have the spark of beginner's luck to it that made the first one so special. Leave it be, remaster the original, repackage it with two or more DVDs full of extra material, and I'll be more than happy to line your pockets --but please keep the innovative new (crappy half-baked) script in the dust bin where it belongs.

    1. Re:It doesn't need a sequel by great+om · · Score: 1

      neverending story is slightly different, as the first movie only covered about half of the children's book. The 2nd movie's plot is actually sorta similar to the 2nd half of the book

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    2. Re:It doesn't need a sequel by $1uck · · Score: 1

      I agree completely, I own the movie (watched it as a child in the theatre, watched it in college as a ... um yeah) and now watch it for nostalgia. I just don't see a reason for a sequel, I think prequel might be interesting. And I also want to add, watching it w/o the sound while listening to Shpongle's Are you Shpongled? is a rather interesting experience.

    3. Re:It doesn't need a sequel by malex23 · · Score: 1

      I may be mistaken, but the screenplay was (at least orignally) written by Jim Henson at the same time as the first film. It's also not an immediate sequel, but a story from a entirely different era of that world. These factors + Genndy = my optimism.

    4. Re:It doesn't need a sequel by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      Sorry to pick nits, but --

      like creating a sequel to [...] Never Ending Story

      -- you mean that time when they made a movie of the second half of the book?

    5. Re:It doesn't need a sequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this were the case, there is hope for it.

      Seriously, though, I've noticed a distinct lack of SOUL to anything Jim Henson Productions has created since Jim Henson himself passed away.
      The man was visionary, and had a wonderful way of getting expressions across via a hand puppet.
      No one else comes close, save those who were working along side him (Frank Oz, Dave Golez, etc.).

      What's next, a sequal to Emmet Otter's Jug Band Christmas?

    6. Re:It doesn't need a sequel by mink · · Score: 1

      Mirror Mask was pretty good.

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  23. impressive? by illtron · · Score: 0

    That's awfully big (and opinionated) talk to call The Dark Crystal "impressive." Fucking heebie-jeebies inducing is more like it. Even the good guys in that movie are fucking creepy. I've always hated it and always will. I don't even remember what the story was about -- only that if I ever met one of the characters in a dream, I'd set his creepy muppet ass on fire.

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    1. Re:impressive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      girlie-man

    2. Re:impressive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "FUCKING HEEBIE JEEBIES INDUCING HATE HATE HATE FUCKING CREEPY SET ON FIRE etc. etc."
      Yeah, you're definitely less opinionated than someone saying that creating a world with creatures and races and such just for a single movie is impressive. I mean God forbid!

    3. Re:impressive? by illtron · · Score: 1

      I'm posting a COMMENT not NEWS, jackass.

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    4. Re:impressive? by DevolvingSpud · · Score: 1

      > if I ever met one of the characters in a dream, I'd set his creepy muppet ass on fire

      You made Fresca come out of my nose.

      While I'm a fan of the movie, I remember it being fairly disturbing as a child when I first saw it, but in a weird, good way. I think that's why it stuck with me all these years.

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  24. In case people don't know by sgant · · Score: 2, Informative

    The above poster was joking. Brian Froud is on board "The Power of the Dark Crystal" as it's conceptual designer.

    The Power of the Dark Crystal at IMDB

    Brian Froud at IMDB

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  25. Jar Jar Binks, anyone ? by lbalbalba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In addition to the live-action animatronics that in my opinion made the original such a masterpiece, this sequel will include CG animation elements as well. I just pray that they won't mess that part up, as it can ruin an entire movie for me - just as the CG in the Star Wars prequels (instead of sticking to the suits & animatronics used in the originals) ruined those films for me.

    1. Re:Jar Jar Binks, anyone ? by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1
      And what about Lord of the Rings? Or King Kong?

      CG done in moderation or with good direction is excellent. So many entire scenes in Star Wars were shot with full green screen. George simply wasn't up to the task of directing the actors properly, and they needed more direction since no props existed at all. I mean, Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiansen are good actors. Look at their other work.

      The editing was good. The cast was good. The special effects were really good. But the scripts sucked, and the direction was lacking.

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    2. Re:Jar Jar Binks, anyone ? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      In addition to the live-action animatronics that in my opinion made the original such a masterpiece...

      This is The Dark Crystal we're talking about, right?

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  26. Then dont watch the sequel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Geez, not exactly rocket science (which doesn't seem all that hard to begin with anyway)

  27. Dark Crystal? Better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dark Crystal = best movie of all time. Princess Bride? A lame-oh CHICK FLICK only redeemed by Andre the Giant.

  28. Oh goodie by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Don't get me wrong I loved the movie and a sequel would be nice in theory just because it means we might get a fantasy movie. We are not exactly being flooded by them.

    But I am also reminded what happens time and time again when some non-movie director gets his paws on a famous property. Usually it is some guy who did some music videos who gets to do a full movie and screws up.

    This time it is a cartoon director. I only seen dexters lab and powerpuff girls. Dexters lab was okay powerpuffs was a bit to much for me. The others I only seen and episode or two off.

    None of them are exactly, how shall I put this nicely, the kind of stuff you want to watch as a full length movie.

    They are good cartoons but would make lousy movies especially of the slow dreamlike fantasy stuff that is the dark crystal.

    The style mismatch doesn't give me high hopes. Just because someone has awards in one style doesn't mean they are any good in another.

    As for making the dark crystal into an animated series. Oh boy, either Henson studios is swimming in cash or it is going to suck so bad it will stagger believe.

    Current cartoons are drawn in a simple way, part style and part because it saves a bundle of cash. That is okay if it suits the story but the dark crystal was in a large part the beautifull enviroments. Super stylised (ala powerpuff girls) dark crystal? Ewh.

    Nice to see they are trying, hope it turns out better then the last few muppet movies, but couldn't they have gotten a director who has some experience with this kinda stuff.

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    1. Re:Oh goodie by loimprevisto · · Score: 0
      As for making the dark crystal into an animated series. Oh boy, either Henson studios is swimming in cash or it is going to suck so bad it will stagger believe.
      The two are not mutually exclusive...
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    2. Re:Oh goodie by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      The style mismatch doesn't give me high hopes. Just because someone has awards in one style doesn't mean they are any good in another.

      Very good point. Mod parent up here. But...

      either Henson studios is swimming in cash or it is going to suck so bad it will stagger believe.

      Not every movie taken to a series has sucked. In fact, when I show people the Stargate movie, they can't believe how much better the series was.

      I'm not going to say more about Stargate, because I don't know what the original budget of Stargate was. I'm just saying that a series from a movie doesn't have to suck.

      Nor do movie sequels have to suck. It's pretty much the same case with Chronicles of Riddick -- people often aren't even aware that it was a sequel, and are amazed when they see Pitch Black. Movie sequels can be significantly better than the original.

      And, low-budget things can be good. I'm not talking about Blair Bitch crap, I'm talking about things like Clerks. I'm not saying I'd want Dark Crystal to be done like Clerks, I'm just saying that intelligent low-budget can be good. For that matter, giving too much of a budget to some people will ruin the movie -- most agree that the original Matrix was the best in the trilogy, and it had by far the lowest budget.

      Whether this can all be done at once, I don't know. But to assume that budget == good is wrong, because good things don't always need a huge budget, any more than a huge budget implies a good thing.

      Super stylised (ala powerpuff girls) dark crystal?

      Don't think Powerpuff girls, think Samurai Jack. I haven't seen Dark Crystal, but you don't have to immediately assume Powerpuff Girls. This guy is versatile, at least.

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    3. Re:Oh goodie by Teko · · Score: 1

      I agree that it's a little odd to think of him directing puppets, but if you watch Clone Wars, you can see why he was chosen. He's an admitted Dark Crystal fan, and if he can channel the same geeky sense of wonder and admiration for the source material that he put into Clone Wars, he's ideal.

    4. Re:Oh goodie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, Chronicles of Riddick was a terrible terrible movie and Pitch Black is just short of a classic (best Alien-esqu movie since Aliens).

      Other than that, the rest of your points stand, but yeah, there's no real way of knowhing how this is going to turn out. It could go either way at this point, although since it has a story Jim Henson came up with, the same writer and art directors, and a great - albeit unproven in this field - director; bodes well for it. Then again, movies have failed under better circumstances.

      We'll see...

  29. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The only person missing is Jim...

    And I don't think anyone should underestimate the devastating effect that will have on this production.

  30. fetzkiek by goarilla · · Score: 1

    We had this movie when i was young dubbed in french
    although i could not understand a word of what they were saying
    i watched the movie frequently and remember
    i was scared to death when that monsterdog fetzkiek popped out of his mousehole and said graawwwlll.

  31. Agree and disagree by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    They were okay, on their own. Their style was something you can either accept or not.

    The biggest problem arrises when you already have an idea what the style should be like. Dexter labs and the other originals stand on their own and so their very stylised art can be allowed to work.

    Clone wars however clashed for me with my perception of what star wars should be like. Not that much since I grew up with far worse art massacres in the form of the early star wars comics but still it clashed.

    But the Dark Crystal art is totally different. I only seen the movie and the art book and that created in my mind a very detailed dreamlike world with beautifull sets with lots and lots of detail and realism.

    EXACTLY opposite of all the cartoons this guy has done. Oh of course he is the director, not the artist but it strikes me as significant that all his cartoons share the same art style, hard simple lines giving the characters an almost deformed look. Clone wars is the most realistic and , well just google for the images. Now compare them to the artwork for the dark crystal. Not exactly a match now is it?

    Yeah the guy is a great creator of cartoons. That is nothing to sneer at considering how much crap others make, he does very well. BUT we have seen with game movies that just because a director is good at one type of entertainment they don't have to be any good at another. Especially if it calls for a style change.

    Can he recapture the magic that was the Dark Crystal? I doubt it. The fact they are going to use CGI has me worried. Sure a puppet made of fire would probably be hard to do but still. CGI. In a muppet movie. Ewh.

    Oh well at least it is not a prequel. Dark Crystal, the phantom menace anyone?

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    1. Re:Agree and disagree by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter whether he's working with puppets, cartoons or people because if his past work is anything to go on there will be a strong visual style and a bucketload of sly humour. Only thing better than this would be a Samurai Jack live action flick.

    2. Re:Agree and disagree by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      I bet you hated Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings, too. That had CGI in it.

      But seriously, did you read any of the article? Genndy is directing, not doing art. Those are actually different jobs in filmmakingland!

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  32. OT by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    you're right vi is the best,

    and emacs aint all that.

    =)

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  33. Some advice to any 30-somethings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you're in your mid-30s like me, and are tempted to run out and rent the Dark Crystal DVD now that you've heard about this sequel, be prepared to be disappointed.

    I was absolutely enthralled by the original when I saw it on the big screen back when it first came out, so I was excited about watching it again for the first time in 20-odd years when I saw the DVD in Blockbuster a couple of years ago.

    Wow, do I regret it. Watching it as a 34 year old is a totally different experience from watching it as an 11 year old. I should have left it on the shelf.

    In fact, the first thing I said to my girlfriend as the ending credits started rolling was "wow, that movie sure seemed a lot better when I was 11." And her reply (she hadn't seen it in 82) was pretty much along the lines of "yeah, that movie sucked."

    I'll probably avoid this sequel like the plague. I have a hunch it'll be like watching Phantom Menace all over again. You know, that sinking feeling about 10 minutes into the movie where you realize this movie wasn't made for you at all, but that group of 11 year old kids sitting a few seats down the aisle.

    Plus, I don't think anyone can possibly underestimate the impact that Jim Henson's absence will have on this sequel. That man was a freakin genius.

    1. Re:Some advice to any 30-somethings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i completely agree with you. i saw it in the theatre on first release and loved it. recently i saw it was on tv and sat down to watch it and apart from getting a fresh memory of the vultures which were cool, it was a suck-tastic movie for a 30 something to watch. it had its place and audience and that was the 80's and being very young. rent it for the kids though, unless they require all CGI these days.

    2. Re:Some advice to any 30-somethings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watching it as a 34 year old is a totally different experience from watching it as an 11 year old.

      As is watching any movie as a child and an adult. Or watching any children's movie as an adult. How could it not be so?

      That doesn't mean it is always a bad experience.

      Apparently I am Bizarro AC. I'm also 34, but I think it is an amazing film, then and now. My girlfriend, who like yours did not see the movie in the 80s, watched it with me and adored it.

      Obviously I see the film differently than when I was 11. I mean, the Chamberlain was just creepy all over back then. Freaked me out. Now, I can see the more comical aspects of the charcter--of the whole film, for that matter--the Henson whimsy. But I am as enchanted by it as ever.

  34. Why sequels? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    I don't see the real point in making sequels, except perhaps to piss people off when it's not like the original.

    There have been very, very few sequels that were better than the original -- Army of Darkness, Empire Strikes Back, The Wrong Trowsers ... (Mallrats, but on a different level) ... and each of these was absolutely nothing like the original, and they had the advantage that they weren't just copying the original story.

    I thought it was cool that Henson allowed Mirror Mask to be made -- I'd prefer seeing more stuff along those lines -- one off, original stories. Yes, some of them might suck, but as with anything, you take risks, and you release a few, some might flop, some might be great, and hopefully in the end it's a net gain.

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    1. Re:Why sequels? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      and each of these was absolutely nothing like the original, and they had the advantage that they weren't just copying the original story.

      You poor, poor boy*.

      Sequels are the ONLY way you can get real character depth with cinema. The guy that Tom Hanks plays for a scant two-hundred minutes might be gripping and moving, but he's also shallow. Even if the story is all about him (think "Castaway"), you still get only a fraction of a real character.

      The situation is even worst with fantasy and sci-fi, because you need to introduce THE WHOLE DARN WORLD as well. Movies that are so different and want to tell real stories need to be planned from the start as sequals, even if only in how they end the story.

      A great example of this, BTW, is The Matrix. The first movie was good and introduced a very compelling world, but there wasn't any significant movement or depth given to the characters until the second and third movies. (Yes, the sequals were bad. But they were bad for different reasons.)

      *: Or girl. This is /., but still...

    2. Re:Why sequels? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      Sequels are the ONLY way you can get real character depth with cinema.

      WTF? Go and rent The Searchers right now. Hell, go and rent Forest Gump while you're there. When you return those, add Patton and Death and the Maiden and any other of the zillion movies that randomly are popping into my head. If a sequel is needed to give a character depth, chances are the original needed a better script.

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    3. Re:Why sequels? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      If a sequel is needed to give a character depth, chances are the original needed a better script.

      Oh, sorry. I should have ammended that to "sequals, or movies that are extended diatribes about one character."

      And even then, you don't really know the characters. There's an illusion of depth that goes back to Shakespherean plays -- it's not a BAD thing, mind you -- but it's not the kind of depth that, oh, characters on well-written soap operas have. (And, in kind, depth isn't always a GOOD thing, either.)

    4. Re:Why sequels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, are an absolutely brilliant troll.

  35. A Sequel.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Set hundreds of years after the events of the first movie"
    I think I might be more excited for a prequel, detailing the original fall
    of the crystal. That, at least, makes things more probable then the crystal being split again. The prequel would be much much darker though.. (Gelfling genocide). It would also be an excuse to show younger Skesis, who are really the creepiest muppet/puppet creations of all time.

    1. Re:A Sequel.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Everything you've just speculated upon how a Dark Crystal prequel could be so awesome, is essentially the exact same ideas everyone had in mind about the Star Wars prequels before they came out. Show the fall from good to evil; show the "purge"; the great descent into darkness; etc. Look how those turned out.

      The problem with detailing the back-story is that you will screw it all up for most fans, since a damned good story like Dark Crystal and Star Wars gives the viewer just enough about the history for you to fill in the blanks with your imagination.

    2. Re:A Sequel.... by Kelson · · Score: 1

      I think I might be more excited for a prequel, detailing the original fall of the crystal.

      IIRC there are plans to do just that, in the form or either a manga-style comic book or an anime-style cartoon series. I don't remember which.

  36. Britney Spears' boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The MPAA (I use that acronym whenever I want to refer to Hollywood, collectively and derisively) will fuck this one away, too. Just another "safe" sequel to completely fuck away, instead of letting some future generation do a good job with it.

    Screwed Xmen3? Check.
    Screwed Star Wars? Check.
    Screwed Shrek? Check.
    Screwed LotR? Check.
    Screwed ET? Check.
    Screwed Tomb Raider? Check.
    Screwed Dark Crystal? In work.

    They should screw Labyrinth, Time Machine, Muppets, and Point of No Return. Put Britney Spears in for Labyrinth; she's got the boobs, now, to do the part.

    1. Re:Britney Spears' boobs by east+coast · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but your post is a bit hard to follow. If I get you right you're saying that XMen 3 already sucks even tho you've never seen it and that LotRs was screwed by Hollywood because they didn't let it off with Fellowship but instead chose to do the entire series? I'm sorry, that just doesn't make any sense.

      And what of ET? Granted, when I was 10 it was neat but I don't see what you think Hollywood should have done to this "classic" (cough cough) to meet up to your standards.

      I will agree with you on Star Wars. Granted I'm not a "fan" of the original three and the first (A New Hope) is probably the only one I've seen more than twice from begining to end but Lucas really went out of his way to do damage to the series with the episode i-iii tripe. Looking at the original Star Wars trilogy I'm guessing what makes them great is that they're involved enough for an child while not being insulting to the intellegence of the adult viewer. I think that's a fine thing. Too bad Lucas went for too much of the pre-teen appeal in the episodes i-iii

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  37. Not my favorite animation style by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Honestly I just don't like the current animation style. It doesn't have that hand-crafted feel to it like Akira or something similar does. IMHO when a story has as big a scope as Clone Wars, the medium should match it.

    1. Re:Not my favorite animation style by Sark666 · · Score: 1

      I coudln't disagree more. Even though I love akira and I appreciate all the amazing scenes of animation, I've come to despise 'anime'. Anime to me, is what would have happened here if disney took over all of animation in north america(which they almost did). I remember an article a few years back that disney was critized for always drawing the leading lady the same way with just a different hair style. After that flak, disney now goes out of their way to ensure the leading lady has a unique look.

      I appreciate unique styles, when I first saw samurai jack I knew right away this was a unique style I had never seen before, it's refreshing. Same with batman tas, (which did have some inspiration from anime but found it's own style). Same with xmen tas. I used to be an avid collector of comics in the 80s-90s. And in one page I could tell who the artist was. Nowadays there a million mcfarlene wannabes.

      I've seen a documentary about anime and how it all started with one guy, (I forget what he did, not astro boy but something like that). Anyway, I find it down right sad, that no one there won't try and go out of their way and find their own style. It's like it's settled. That's it. This is the style that will be used til the end of time.

      And btw, why the hell do they draw all asian people like white people with big eyes? Why not draw asians how they look? For example in akira, when you see akira himself in the flashback sequences, he is the only one throughout the whole movie that actually looks asian, and it loses that goofy look.

      One artist I used to love in comics was jim lee, way back when he used to draw xmen, there was a few issues with the mandarin and I remember thinking back then, why can't asians look like this in akira, they way he portrayed them was bad ass. But enough complaining. anime sucks.

    2. Re:Not my favorite animation style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've seen a documentary about anime and how it all started with one guy, (I forget what he did, not astro boy but something like that)."

      Something very much like that. Insofar as it was that.

      Osamu Tezuka

      It's true people followed him a little too slavishly at first, creating a national style. Our diversity in style probably comes more from the UPA studios in the 60s than any criticism of Disney, though. Sesame Street and the National Film Board of Canada had a lot to do with it too. It's hard to say...

      In the end, I think it comes down to the way animation has been marginalized in North America. In Japan animation has had enormous cultural success. We often bewail the North American mentality that says "Comics are only for kids" but keeping animation on the fringes has meant a lot of animators have nothing to lose. Commercial animation is such a dead-end career in North America that we have had thousands of trained animators sitting around with nothing to do over the years. Disney certainly couldn't employ them all. The result has been a lot of experimental animation, which broadened our stylistic base.

      In Japan, animation is like Top 40 radio. It's bland and safe. We think it's quirky and risky because it flaunts our cultural predjudices, but there it's just business as usual.

    3. Re:Not my favorite animation style by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I'm really curious as to what anime you've been watching... because there are at least half a dozen distinct art styles now.

      There's the somewhat realistic: Perfect Blue, Boogiepop Phantom, Lain, Gasaraki, Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal.

      Miyuzaki has his own style. He bends it a bit in different films.

      Even the classic style is pretty elastic. Project A-Ko, Excel Saga, All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku, Tenchi Muyo, Dirty Pair are all what I would consider standard-fare where they experiment in over the top animation. The Rurouni Kenshi series probably fits in here as well (as does Sailor Moon and Saber Marionette ).

      Then there's traditional stuff like Akira, Gundam Wing, Noir, Madlax.

      Not to mention the really weird stuff like Metropolis or Spring and Chaos).

      And even within those broad categories you have quite a range of variation. The Project A-Ko stuff looks very different from Excel Saga but also shares some key characteristics.

      There's also some experimentation with CGI and doing the cells on the computer vs traditional hand-drawn (which imparts a different look). Sometimes it's done somewhat seamlessly, other times it looks jarring.

      Out of the list... if you like Hitchcock style horror, try Perfect Blue. This is not your little neice's anime. I know the story by heart, yet whenever I watch this as a filler I end up getting sucked in to giving it my full attention.

      If you want something moving, but with cut-n-slash, try Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal. It's a sad tale and hard to believe that it's the same author/artist who came up with the Rurouni Kenshin storyline.

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  38. "impressive Dark Crystal" by lee+n.+field · · Score: 1
    that a sequel to the impressive The Dark Crystal

    Uhhh.... exactly what was impressive about The Dark Crystal beyond the animation? Certainly not the story.

    1. Re:"impressive Dark Crystal" by tezbobobo · · Score: 1

      Sorry... you've directed exactly what lately?

      I kid, I kid....

    2. Re:"impressive Dark Crystal" by solitas · · Score: 1
      DC2 will suck. DC1 was a complete movie - the story ended with "sunshine and butterflies". What's GK gonna DO after that?

      Also: it takes nothing to make a CGI movie; compared to the original - in DC1 everything was live: there wasn't any CG in it.

      Prediction: GK will make a Skeksis-movie that'll look like Dexter's lab.

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    3. Re:"impressive Dark Crystal" by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      I don't think that Gennedy is the originator of this project, he's just been brought on as the director (although this is a very important position, of course). It's not like he's writing it. Someone at Henson wrote it and are producing it and they are bringing in Gennedy to help them. If they don't like him they can fire him.

    4. Re:"impressive Dark Crystal" by Teko · · Score: 1

      There wasn't any animation in The Dark Crystal. It was a live-action puppeteered movie.

  39. Without muppetry ... by willtsmith · · Score: 1


    Without muppetry, I don't think the world would be the same. It is absoluetly amazing what the Henson Creature shop accomplishes.

    I hope if they DO do the CGI that they figure out how to make their actors LOOK like the original muppet actors with the generally soft edges.

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  40. Spelling Nazi time by Eevee · · Score: 4, Informative

    To quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroineWikipedia: "Heroine", the feminine form of "hero", should not be confused with heroin, the drug.

    It's important to keep the distinction straight: You shoot heroin into the tip of your penis; but shoot the tip of your penis into a heroine.

    1. Re:Spelling Nazi time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "Heroine", the feminine form of "hero", should not be confused with heroin, the drug.

      So is Tattooin what you shoot into your skin to make a tattoo..?

    2. Re:Spelling Nazi time by ArwynH · · Score: 1

      ROFL I'm not sure what is funnier. Your post or the fact that it got modded 'informative'. ^_^

  41. I feel sorry for some of you -- I really do by Nicky+G · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wow, the people who are like "I loved this movie when I was little, so I rented it, and was like man, this sucks" really are pathetic IMHO. The Dark Crystal is simply a classic. I'm sorry, but it is. Deal with it. If you liked it as a child, and then rented it as a late 20-something or early 30-something, and found yourself hating it -- well, I'm sorry, but that means part of your soul died. This movie is one of the fantasy greats, with an epic story, great puppetry, deep music and some very heady ideas. It is waaaay beyond most crap made for kids, and I daresay, probably encouraged me to think about some deep thoughts as a young kid that most other children's media never would have compelled me to think about. This movie was Henson at his best, up there with Labyrynth (or is that a crap movie too?) Now, I love Genndy's stuff, although I'm not sure I see how his style would work with this kind of movie. But, I'm willing to give it a chance, that's for sure.

    1. Re:I feel sorry for some of you -- I really do by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      My favorite part of the DVD release is the documentary of the making of the movie.... so impressive. It's simply amazing how long they spent making this classic and how much attention to detail they had... one of my all-time favorite works of art, yes art cause The Dark Crystal is much more than a movie, especially compared to todays drivel.

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      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
    2. Re:I feel sorry for some of you -- I really do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      but that means part of your soul died.

      That's a little harsh, don't you think? I mean, I'm no longer captivated by Sesame Street, but I don't think the death of any part of my soul had anything to do with it.

      Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but Labyrinth is even harder for an adult to watch than Dark Crystal. I tried watching it with my daughter a few months ago, and had to leave the room every time that fruitcake David Bowie started singing.

    3. Re:I feel sorry for some of you -- I really do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, I liked it better when I saw it on DVD a few months ago than I ever did as a kid seeing it on cable.

    4. Re:I feel sorry for some of you -- I really do by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

      Thank you Nicky... I was beginning to think I was the only one... Those movies changed my life, and that's something that can never be taken away. I still The Dark Crystal with all of my heart and it remains one of my favorite films. I'm happyy that they are bringing a sequel together, but worried about the quality. But I'm pretty doggone sure they are going to give it everything!

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    5. Re:I feel sorry for some of you -- I really do by Nicky+G · · Score: 0

      Let's just hope it doesn't turn out like the Neverending Story sequels did.... Uhg!!!! Talk about laaaame. :P

  42. As the saying goes by Arcturax · · Score: 1

    Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink.

    But seriously, the guy just posted his opinion. Disagree if you want but you don't have to be so nasty about it.

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    --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
  43. How is he, Magro ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


        I'm a quiet Tartakovsky fan. The Dexter glued on top of my monitor proves it. And, when I saw this plug^H....^Harticle, well... I'll have to let The Bald Eagle make the following little speech for us all :

          "... and, right next to Tim Burton or Jhonen Vasquez, I'm sure that he's *exactly* the right choice to carry on with Jim Henson's well loved legacy."

        "Specially the look and feel - and the atmosphere, and the ideals. That special gift Henson had for being ironic, even sarcastic, without even the slightest bit of bitterness or bile manifesting itself."

        Thank You. :)

    P.S.
          Can you imagine Kermit going to New York and tryng to get on the Plane ? For starters, he doesn't wear shoes. So.... :>

  44. sequels and prequels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still waiting for them to make "The next to last unicorn"

  45. Animation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhhh.... exactly what was impressive about The Dark Crystal beyond the animation?

    Uhhh.... there was probably a grand total of 30 seconds of "animation" in The Dark Crystal.

  46. Mojo Jojo not impressed by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the Home Office of Mojo Jojo
    1 Volcano Observatory Place
    Townsville, USA

    To: The City of Townsville

    Dear Citizens of the City of Townsville,

    I, Mojo Jojo, have developed an evil plot to take a very mystical story and sling my monkey dropping all over it. And I, Mojo Jojo, feel not remorse if this movie stinks at the box office. I am willing to spend the money and the resources to make certain that this cinematic feature is a complete and udder catastrophe that neither you or the Powerpuff Girls can stop.

    I have studied that there is no reason to steal from banks anymore. Thanks to my superior intellect, I, Mojo Jojo, have learned that I can steel more money by making people just give it to me through legal commerce by creating a mediocre feature that will haunt people for years on end. A few people may even start a fan club honoring my work allowing me to take more money from the people of Townville. I could be like that John Heder person. Could you believe that people wasted good money on seeing such a movie. While I, Mojo Jojo, have plans on creating a death ray that will oblterate all the actors of the terrible movie that I saw as well as the state of Idaho, I hav decided to delay obliterating everyone and everything that reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite. People will rejoyce and display there graditude by wearing "Vote for Mojo" shirt, not "Vote for Pedro". Mojo would make a better candidate than Pedro, who ever the hell he is.

    I know that my plan will be successful, unlike all the other attempts that were thwarted by those annoying Powerpuff Girls!

    Victory will be mine! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Sincerely, Your Bestest Friend,

    Mojo Jojo

    PS: (|):|33) pwn3z joo!

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  47. Sounds iffy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watched this on the big screen as a kid and loved it. My cusin on the oter hand spent the film covering her eyes and screaming. Now how about a remake of Clash of the Titans. Got to love that clock work owl!

  48. Spaceballs Sequel... by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for the spaceballs sequel that was promised. It seems like some of these sequels don't ever materialize.

    1. Re:Spaceballs Sequel... by Pranadevil2k · · Score: 1

      I think they skipped Spaceballs II: The search for more money.
      They're already on Spaceballs III: The search for Spaceballs II.

    2. Re:Spaceballs Sequel... by xmundt · · Score: 1

      greetings and Salutations...
      and what about the sequel(s) to "Buckeroo Banzai..."? Now THAT was something
      that might have had legs, although, alas, by now, the actors are so big that
      it would be impossibly expensive.
      regards
      dave mundt

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    3. Re:Spaceballs Sequel... by eht · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for a follow up for History of the World: Part I featuring Hitler on Ice! and Jews in Space.

  49. Re:Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide by MutantHamster · · Score: 1
    Concerning the bit about switching directing styles, I think Tartakovsky may be well fit for this type of thing. The only series of his that I am really familiar with is Dexter's Lab, but if there's one thing I remember about Dexter's Lab it's that so much of the charm came from the richness of the world he created. The show exhibited a coherency from episode to episode that very few cartoons can match (although there are some exceptions in the series here or there), and does anyone recall the special cross over epiosde that brought together Dexter, Monkey, and the Super Justice Friends?

    This being the kind of thing I appreciated most about the series, I can see how Tartakovsky could have a lot of potential directing in this genre.

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    My Greatest Heist - Muisc partly inspired by the unbeatable Qwantz
  50. Hollywood is out of ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No really, I'm pretty pissed off with the crap hollywood shoves down our throats... no wonder why their bottom lines are shrinking!

    Tim Allen in The Shaggy Dog
    The millions of Batman Movies

    There are many more to say... but they are trying to make money off of old ideas. Do something new, imaginative and creative... I only hope that is what they do and stay clear of CG - puppets for some reason or another throw me into an alter reality where some of this craziness is possible. Think Team America - great movie for puppetry.

    Anyhow... Hollywood sucks what else is there to say.

  51. If you like Henson/Dark Crystal by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
    I highly recommend by them:

    The Storyteller
    Mirrormask (which just came out)

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    Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

  52. Mirrormask: Bad in Box Office? by Thedalek · · Score: 1

    In all fairness, one reason Mirrormask did poorly at the box office was that it never had a general release. Contrarywise, there are Gaiman fans everywhere (myself included) who were more than happy to have a movie written by him in the spirit of Labyrinth.

    In all honesty, it's amazing that Mirrormask has done as well as it has, considering that it's had almost no advertising whatsoever. The DVDs are selling based almost entirely off of word of mouth.

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    1. Re:Mirrormask: Bad in Box Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In all honesty, it's amazing that Mirrormask has done as well as it has, considering that it's had almost no advertising whatsoever. The DVDs are selling based almost entirely off of word of mouth.


      Actually, its being advertised pretty heavily in the Vertigo comics right now. Which seems like a reasonable place to do so.

  53. Re:Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide by kiracatgirl · · Score: 1

    I thought the last book was quite poor, and not just because of the ending.

    You know, actually... I'm pretty sure he did that on purpose because he was sick of writing the series. Also hence the ending. Can't have any sequels if there's no main character, after all.

  54. Hope for Americans (was Re:The Crystal Method) by Kalzus · · Score: 1

    No statement was made that American culture *had* any hope, merely the one person's opinion that P.P.G. was one of the pinnacles of said culture.

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  55. Finish Samurai Jack!!! by Sark666 · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else hope he'll still finish this?!

    C'mon, send Jack home.

    Btw, I wonder how this happens behind the scenes. Does cartoon network just pull it and it's done, or do they give the artist some warning, like it's done this year, you've got 10 eps to wrap it up.

  56. What about samurai jack? by eonlabs · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or did he drop SJ like a bad habit.
    I felt the series was amazing, and am looking forward to the day he brings it to some level of closure...

    --
    I wouldn't consider the mad hatter mad. Just reality impaired. He sure can make a mean cup of tea.
  57. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you didn't have me tagged as a "foe" for reasons that i haven't quite figured out, you wouldn't have gotten the redundant mods. :P i didn't do it personally (obviously if i'm responding), but cosmic justice prevails. i don't have anyone tagged with the "foe" mark because i'm against censorship and i accept differing points of view unlike you. makes me a better person than you apparently.

    why did i bother to say this? no idea, actually. boring day and in a bit of a "hah!! serves you right!!" mood, i guess. doomed for "off topic" but that's okay.

    (posted as AC for obvious reasons) :P

  58. Clearly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're unaware of just how large my penis is. When I have an erection, we call that "night."

    PS- In the future when you spelling and grammer lame my posts, could you please correct all the mistakes? Thank you.

    1. Re:Clearly.... by mink · · Score: 1

      Chuck Norris is that you?

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    2. Re:Clearly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I post with my user account, all my posts start out at +6, and as a defender of democracy, I want everyone to have an equal chance.

  59. Trevor Jones / Marcus Dodds (RIP) / LSO by iamcf13 · · Score: 1

    Per IMDB, it looks like they got Trevor Jones to score the sequel as he did the original (magnificently) and (hopefully) have the London Symphony Orchestra perform the score. Too bad they can't get Marcus Dodds to conduct as he passed away in 1984 according to the IMDB.... (-_-) ;_;

  60. Save Us From Speilberg's Flashlights by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The second series was better than the first, and had a lot more of his style reflected in them.

    Clone Wars Vol. 2 completely blew me away. As a Star Wars fanboy who really disliked the prequels, I was shocked to see something so good set in the prequel universe. I have to assume Lucas stayed out of this project.

    Which bodes well for a Dark Crystal II - this guy is really good at re-interpreting the author's original intent. If he can channel 1975 George Lucas (killed during pre-production of Jedi and replaced with a fat robot) he should be able to get in touch with Jim. I loved Dexter, but can't stand Samaurai Jack, so I'm definitely not a Tartakovsky fanboy, but can appreciate his successes.

    My main worry is that they will replace the excellent puppets and costumes with some over animated and underwhelming CG crap.

    Good point. My main worry is they'll forget that The Dark Crystal was a kid's movie designed to inspire and occasionally scare the shit out of kids. Speilberg's flashlights don't understand this.

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  61. Sorcerer Stabber Orphan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice name, Orphanage Studios. I like it!

    I wonder how the name came about...

  62. surprisingly good by zogger · · Score: 1

    My nieces had it in their collection and I had never seen it. So I am over there visiting and they GOT to see it again, they throw it in the machine, I am thinking "oh great, some kids cartoon..curmudgeon..mumble" I loved it! Some of the stuff was really funny, the dinner party scene trying to stab the little fleeing tidbits was hysterical. The bad guys were *really* bad, the good guys good. It was made for all age levels to be enjoyed at different points and for different reasons. Quite nice really, now I think I need to go find a copy and see it again..

  63. It's a puppet film by Teko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lots of odd comments here about how "Genndy will screw it up 'cuz I hate his style of animation" or even "The original had crappy animation."

    Quick and simple: the original was an entirely live-action, puppeteered film. It's the only movie like it ever made, actually: the only all-puppet feature film with no humans or live animals present at all. The sequel will be, as well, although they're using CG sets to cut costs.

    As for the story, keep in mind that the first movie didn't have a story either. Jim Henson literally brought Brian Froud in, said "make me a world", and then wrote a story around the creatures and world he'd created. With Froud on board again, combined with the fanboy geeky brilliance that Genndy showed with Clone Wars, I have high hopes for this.

    1. Re:It's a puppet film by Gumshoe · · Score: 1

      Quick and simple: the original was an entirely live-action, puppeteered film. It's the only movie like it ever made, actually: the only all-puppet feature film with no humans or live animals present at all


      Meet The Feebles was an all-puppet feature film too.

  64. Ecology by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 1

    The defining thing about The Dark Crystal to me was the sense of ecology. It was fun watching a group of biologists start geeking out at a fantasy movie because of all the clever "creature" moments and panning shots of swamps teeming with life. The whole "You have wings?! I don't have wings!" / "Of course not ... you're a boy" line that had the entomologists and the feminists of the group both in tears of laughter for days. The Dark Crystal has become the yardstick against which I find I measure the detail of the worlds of fantasy movies.

  65. Re:Wow! by dswensen · · Score: 1

    Yeah, dumb shit like this is why I generally don't post here anymore. Once again I am reminded why.

    I had like the second post, and I'm redundant! Whatever.

    And since I don't know who you are, I can't tell you why I marked you foe, nor do I really care at this point.

  66. Re:Wow! by dswensen · · Score: 1

    Although the fact that you seem unbelievably obnoxious probably contributes in no small part.

  67. Re:OMG WTF AOL LOL! by fyrie · · Score: 1

    I always liked D.C. . I thougth that Legend Sucked until I saw it again at age 28. I agree, Labyrinth is the best of the 3 by far. I hope to god there isn't a remake or sequel for that in my lifetime.

  68. Bring The Gelfling To The Altar! v.2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Trailer goes like so...
    The furry dog thing knocks the "repaired" dark crystal over and shatters it to smitherines then a beam of light comes back down from the roof and creates hundreds of thousands of flying monkeys that grab jen and the gelfling family and fly them deep down into the "rabbit hole" where the become unplugged from the "matrix" ala "android lust." Meanwhile the sentinals discover a "GNU CRYSTAL" fabricated from slaves mining and pressing coal into diamonds...after a horrible cave-in all the slaves are killed and their bank accounts drained into the evil dark government.

  69. Re:Bring The Gelfling To The Altar! v.2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Trailer goes like so...
    The furry dog thing knocks the "repaired" dark crystal over and shatters it to smitherines then a beam of light comes back down from the roof and creates hundreds of thousands of flying monkeys that grab jen and the gelfling family and fly them deep down into the "rabbit hole" where the become unplugged from the "matrix" ala "android lust." Meanwhile the sentinals discover a "GNU CRYSTAL" fabricated from slaves mining and pressing coal into diamonds...after a horrible cave-in all the slaves are killed and their bank accounts drained into the evil dark government.

    (obviously I am the same anonymous)
    By the way does anyone remember V (around the same time, 1982???)
    It was a 'aliens came to take over earth' series back then.
    Maybe it was called Victory or something... I forget now.
    Earth was "friends" with them and like one alien trusted on earth dude to do the dirty work...

    Ahh hell I explain like shit. But At least I had a good enough buzz goin right now to write the "trailer" for "Bring the Gelfling To The Altar! v.2.0

    So what's in your .bashrc?

  70. Hollywood's got nothin' on Marvel and DC. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    Not that I disagree in principle with what you are saying, but some of your examples get a little incoherent.

    Screwed LotR? Check.
    Big fan of Ralph Bakshi's work I take it?

    Screwed Tomb Raider? Check.
    Yeah, they did that before even producing a sequel. Oh, and Eidos beat them to screwing over Tomb Raider via sequels.

    Screwed Xmen3? Check.
    How do you screw over the X-men? No, seriously, how do you screw over any comic book more than Marvel and DC are capable of doing on their own? Which set of X-men do you use? How many times has each one of them died, changed powers, or changed origins? Which author's portrayals and which set of relationships between characters do you use? Is Magneto a good guy or a bad guy? Is Wolverine sane, barely sane, or completely insane this time? X-men 3 had suck written all over it as soon as they hinted that the Dark Phoenix cycle was going to be involved, 'cause the suck was embedded in the source material.

    Comic books have consistently sucked since the end of the Silver Age (and did some sucking a good bit before that). I blame the seeming contest between comic book authors to see who can leave the biggest mark on a character once they take over a line by whizzing all over the series. I just stopped letting one of my friends tell me about comic books anymore since it's become too nauseating to think about. I've got better things to care about now than the latest episode of "Who Wants to Rape a Childhood?"

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  71. Lame-oh? by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    Incontheeeeevable!
    Seriously, if someone wants to like one good movie more than another, who cares? Mind your own business, retards. It's not like someone is saying some obvious POS like Event Horizon was better than say, Forbidden Planet or some other classic great SF film.

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  72. Oh bite me by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    The grandparent is right, Genndy Tartakovsky DOES kick ass. I haven't seen Clone Wars, but Samurai Jack is the best animation series on american TV since the original The Tick. Let's face it, anyone who can create a gigantic bellowing snaggle-toothed scotsman with a machine gun for a leg _deserves_ a freaking Emmy or three.

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    O~ Him that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green. -- Francis Bacon
  73. Six one way, half-dozen the other. by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1

    Herion or heroine and the tip of one's penis. It's all the same.

  74. RTFA by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    The article says they're using CGI for backgrounds and such. The Henson shop (obviously) would be doing the main characters, though maybe that Ifrit (character made of fire) might have to be CG.

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    1. Re:RTFA by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      Either that or just get Andy Serkis to do it ;-)

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  75. Remember the end of the Dark Crystal ... by willtsmith · · Score: 1


    Remember when the Skeksies and the Mystics merge again and fly off into space. I think Jim would have liked to think of his leaving earth like that.

    He's out there in the void now. He's everywhere and no where.

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  76. Re:Bring The Gelfling To The Altar! v.2.0 by LordNightwalker · · Score: 1

    Boy, you lost me, but at least I'm gonna try and make an effort to answer to your most on-topic question/remark:

    [11:42] nighty@slave-2 ~$ cat .bashrc
    [ -z "$PS1" ] && return
    shopt -s checkwinsize
    if [ "$TERM" != "dumb" ]; then
    eval "`dircolors -b`"
    alias ls='ls --color=auto'
    fi
    [ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(lesspipe)"
    if [ -z "$debian_chroot" -a -r /etc/debian_chroot ]; then
    debian_chroot=$(cat /etc/debian_chroot)
    fi
    PS1='[\[\033[01;33m\]\A\[ \033[m\]] \[\033[01;32m\]\u\[\033[m\]@\[\033[01;35m\]\h\[\03 3[m\] \[\033[01;36m\]\W$\[\033[m\] '
    case "$TERM" in
    xterm*|rxvt*)
    PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"'
    ;;
    *)
    ;;
    esac
    if [ -f ~/.bash_profile ]; then
    . ~/.bash_profile
    fi
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    Install windows on my workstation? You crazy? Got any idea how much I paid for the damn thing?
  77. Re:Eerie parallel with the BBC "Hitchhiker's Guide by Sketch · · Score: 1

    > Including Zaphod, who sounds like a roaring drunk in rehab, in the new series.

    Good point. Zaphod ought to sound like a roaring drunk who would never go to rehab. After all, he is the man who invented the Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster.

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  78. Gelflings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen to portray additional Gelflings, no special costuming required.