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Windows XP on Intel Mac Confirmed
niemassacre writes "According to winxponmac.com, the contest has been won - nearly $14k to narf2006 for submitting a working solution to dual-booting Windows XP and Mac OS X on an Intel-Powered mac. A thread on osx86project.org has confirmations from several testers that the procedure works on the 17" iMac, the Mac mini, and the MacBook Pro. Many sets of pictures and videos (such as this installation video) are floating around (and mentioned in the thread). The solution itself should be posted soon." Poit! Congratulations to narf.
But does it run Linux?
Now I can dual boot a good and bad OS. (I am not saying which is which!)
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Yeah this is great news! I'm a mac freak, but this makes an intel mac a great proposition as all my work stuff is Windows based!
Now all we need is for someone to make a hypervisor, or allow booting XP from within mac os without emulation, and we'll have a great system!
Does this version dual boot fully with Mac OS?
I'm sooo tempted to buy a Mac Book Pro now - my poor wallet.
Every time there's anything on this the first comments are along these lines. Fine! You don't want to play games or do any Windows devlopment - other people do! And this lets them. The end.
Remember that you gotta start somewhere. Being able to successfully natively boot the OS you want to run in a VM is the first step here...
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Really cool cases. (Can't remember password at the moment, sorry for the anonymous Coward).
Where can I get this? I haven't found any details or downloads yet...
I'd almost be tempted to buy a MacBook Pro if this works without any issues. It'd be nice to boot into Windows for my day job and OSX for home usage. The only thing really stopping me is the lack of a right-click button under the trackpad. I'm sure somebody can/has come up with a software hack to use two fingers to right-click, but I don't know how annoying that would actually be without using it.
I hope everybody who dragged this guy's reputation through the mud offers him a huge apology! Maybe it's just because I'm growing older, but the older I get the more cynical I feel like people are becoming. Maybe it's always been this way and when I was a kid I either didn't notice or just shrugged it off....
and a amssive congratulation to Narf. This was an exciting contest to watch develop and definately brought out a lot of talent. Now the question in my mind is will this have any affect on the new intel-mac sales; Will people be keen to buy them because they can dual boot windows/mac os x on the same machine? Recently I bought a mac-mini (before the intel ones went live sadly) and I have to say, having used winxp for years after two weeks of my mac-mini on a KVM I'm just about ready to move over. I can't actually imagine many reasons for me wanting a PC any more. I'm not into gaming like I used to be, and mac os x is such a lovely user experience. I admit it, i'm a born again apple fan-boi! What exactly is the situation on driver support for someone booting winxp on a mac? That's what I am interested in, anyone got a clue?
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Why?
Games.
Stuff like VMWare will do a great job of running applications, but for stuff that requires access to modern hardware, dual-booting is probably the only real answer.
I've been doing it for years on my PC, after all - serious stuff gets done in Linux, but when I want to mess around with modding Half-Life 2 then I quickly reboot into Windows XP, and instantly get 100% software compatibility. If something gave me the ability to dual-boot my new MacBook in a similar manner, then that would be great - I'd essentially have both a Mac and a PC in one shiny laptop case.
This latest news makes me happy - it's like I bought a very fast Mac, then just over two weeks later I received a very fast PC of equivalent specs for free. What is there to complain about?
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It seems to me that native hardware will mean that we're not far from seeing a lot of really great "not-emulation VPC-like products." This is nice, but it seems that being able to have the two up side-by side would be more useful. Wouldn't native hardware also mean that a VPC could run at nearly full speed, only taking a hit due to whatever resources were already being used by the Mac OS and applications? Still, this is a nice achievement.
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Because you're not a Mac user who lives in the Windows world. Some of us who make our money in the Windows world need to run applications that don't run on Mac... yet. I do Cognos development, and I have to provide my own notebook at work. Outside of work, I'm all Mac. Why have two notebooks when I can have my cake and eat it too? Yes, I could get a whitebox x86 notebook and run a hacked version of OSX, as the PC zealots would have it, but seeing how my PC is used for business, I'd like to stay above board. Which I can't do with an illegal version of Mac OSX running on a whitebox notebook.
Apple is happy. Now all those Windows users who want a Mac (more market share, yippee!) will buy a Mac and dual boot, yet they can still "try" to protect their OS from running a white box.
Microsoft is happy. They didn't have to spend any of their own money to get compatibility, and if they're lucky, maybe more than 30% of the dual booters will actually pay for a Windows license.
if you can run Windows on a Mac now, will game developers stop porting games to Mac, since Mac users can run Windows?
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Why? Because of the huge number of applications that are only produced for Windows -- these are small enough that the makers can't be bothered to, or don't have the expertise to, make a Mac version, yet aren't essential enough to make me go out and buy a Windows machine just to run them.
One example would be the PC interface software for my cell phone. Nice to have, but I only use it every few months to back stuff up and am not about to go buy a PC just to run it. Same story for game hacking utilities.
Congratulations to Narf. I'm anxiously awaiting booting WinXP on my Intel iMac.
What's stopping you? There are tons of people who are already booting OS X 10.5.5 on cheap commodity hardware. There's even a wiki that tells you what cheapo hardware to buy to get the best Mac experience.
Here's link to the XP on MAC video from a site which can handle a /.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nzH6OFpXgzI
I'd think Apple would love it. They played no part in working out the solution, but now their hardware is the most versatile around for running the two desktop OSes I've wanted to have on one machine. Done deal, buying a mac.
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me, i switched to Apple because their hardware/Darwin[linux-ppc] was interesting .. for a while .. and i felt that the fact of their survival as a 'different computing platform' company in the face of the intel x86 tyranny was a worthwhile hedge towards new hardware of interest. x86 doesn't really 'interest me', though it certainly has an equally infinite # of uses as, say, ARM or MIPS still do..
.. now i'm far more interested in just getting as many cheap, little, ecologically sound computers, than i am in having my own halon setup, and consequently: Apple is dead to me now.
.. and now XP on x86, where it already was living just fine, anyway.. on Apple hardware.
..
but of course, i used to think it was cool to have gone from a stack of Indy's to a single powerbook, and still be able to take all the 'good' software (unix) with me
why put XP on Apple?
because it proves the point: software is mobile, a liquid substance of little bounds.
and thus: hardware always comes first. all thought starts first with lines in the sand.
point 1 is maybe poignant, and geeks like poignancy perhaps, in this case, because it is proven by crossing the hijinx of one exploiter-of-the-mob computer manufacture, guilty of all its own culting, with another equally cult'ed mass-control monster, and produces a seething snake pit of sexiness. XP on bochs, and thus PPC
point 2, hardware, is what you need to tame all beasts of nefariously infinite nature.
with XP on Apple, the reason to switch is dead. XP is the wrong end of the computerized commodity curve for my liking, so.. neither of these points i'm trying to make may, indeed, have weight
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Video:
http://www.projectosx86.org.nyud.net:8080/winonma
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If now somebody figures out how to triple boot and add Linux then I will be able to boot a good, a bad and an ugly OS (and I'm not saying either which is which!).
ipods adapted so all audio output is in mono. Graphics on imacs converted to 16 color. Mac mouse to only have one button... oops.
I find this kind of funny and ironic...
Apple announces that they are moving to intel. OSX is DRM'd and bound to Macs so that it cannot be run on commodity hardware. Senior execs at Apple also state that they will not do anything to prevent Windows from running on their hardware.
Intel Macs come out.
Hackers get OSX86 up and running on Dells with relative ease, despite Apple's best efforts to prevent them from doing so. However, they have such a hard time getting Windows to run on a Mac that a contest is started and 13,000 dollars worth of prize money is offered.
Oh the irony. :-)
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It's actually called DarWINE and it's not quite at the level of maturity you see in the Linux world. Codeweavers says they're working on a version of Crossover Office for the Mac, but they haven't posted any news about it recently.
Crossover Office is pretty good on Linux. I'd rather use something like Wine (provided it worked on 100% of the stuff I need -- wishful thinking) than VMWare. Having said that, I'd rather use VMWare than dual boot.
Using the Quick Time player on Windows XP it says required compressor not available (1st time I tried it also said not available on server)... what do I need?
There are people who want climb mountains and people who want to run XP on MacIntels, and both groups do it just for 'fun'!
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This latest news makes me happy - it's like I bought a very fast Mac, then just over two weeks later I received a very fast PC of equivalent specs for free. What is there to complain about?
The only thing to complain about is the high price of non-OEM Windows. If you want to run Windows games on your Mac, you still have to pay a few hundred dollars for Windows XP to run them on.
Wake me up when someone lets me run Windows binaries *inside* Intel OSX. That is the achievement.
Well shit is there too, but you don't step into it just because of the fact that it's possible to do it, or do you ?
May i be damned if i let m$ anywhere near a mac.
I'd tell you the chances of this story being a dupe, but you wouldn't like it.
I disagree. I think Microsoft is not at all happy about this. Knowing that a mac can run Windows eliminates a major reason a lot of people (including myself) don't use a Mac - I need Windows for certain tasks that I cannot otherwise do. This will increase the Mac marketshare and ultimate, Microsoft will lose out!
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Now we have to put up with Mac OS XP! Where will we put the Start button?
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I'm thinking of writing a book about a Windows guy who disguises himself as a Mac user to see what it's like.
I call it: "Mac Like Me".
Sounds cool, huh?
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Did you really read the original (yesterday's) commentary on this? It looked like a basic peer-review process to me, albeit in true /. style. A person steps up, makes an extraordinary claim, and the community of peers does its best to suggest every possibility for falsification.
It took a while, but the truly hare-brained ideas (like a photoshopped image of a MacBook) were discredited leaving only a couple of reasonable possibilities (like a full-screen display of an XP screengrab image).
So honestly, would you really prefer that a peer-review process work from the premise that the proposal is true, as opposed to false? While the former is certainly much "nicer", the latter is more in keeping with scientific modes of thought. I'd have expected nothing less, had I presented the same claims + shaky evidence.
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OS X on commodity hardware has already been done.
But trust me, this is something a lot of people have been looking forward to, as well.
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Excellent work by Narf2006 and Blanka.
I don't understand why some people are so negative about something which gives the user greater flexibility and choice. I love using OS X for my personal needs, but my job requires Windows and CounterStrike:Source requires DirectX, so it's made my MacBook Pro even more flexible and that can only be a good thing.
Whilst I can imagine that some software producers will look at the situation and say "The Mac now runs Windows so we don't need to produce a Mac native version", I think the ability to boot Windows tears down one barrier to buying a Mac...if you have to run Windows then you don't need to compromise and buy a Windows only machine.
Finally, I know you can buy a regular PC and dual-boot with a hacked copy of OS X, but it's illegal, whereas dual booting a genuine retail copy of XP on a Mac is legal and that makes it a real option for the workplace. I look forward to taking my MacBook everywhere and leaving that chunky Dell on the table...someone needs to start producing 200GB+ 2.5" 7200rpm drives fast!
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1. The first guy to do something gets lots of points
:-)
2. Anybody who does a lot of work so I don't have to gets points
3. The definition of hard has less to do whith whether the technology looks challenging and more to do with how long it actually takes people to accomplish. This was not instantaneous with a bunch of people piling on working solutions at the same time. This guy stands alone after a significant period of time. That makes this "hard" in a defacto sense of the word and is definately worth some points.
4. I'm not a Mac user. I'm a Windows user. Of course Mac users love their OS. I don't. After supporting several Mac people and trying to make use of it myself, I've decided I actually dislike it quite a lot (no flames, please, this is just a personal preference). However, I _love_ Mac hardware. I've lusted after the clean, light notebooks and the "cheese grater" G5 desktops are shear design elegance. As a current Mac user, judging this by the fact that you wouldn't want to run Windows is missing the fundimental point that Windows users might like the option of buying great hardware from Apple. From my perspective, this is worth lots of points.
Add em all up and this guy can redeem his points for several rounds of beer should I ever meet him
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"May i be damned if i let m$ anywhere near a mac."
:-)
For me it's not about running Microsoft products on a Mac, it's about being able to run Quickbooks Pro 2006 for Windows so I can process client credit cards without having to boot up the PC or rely on emulation software.
Now, if Intuit could get it together at some point to make a version of Quickbooks Pro 2006 for Mac that can do everything the Windows version can do, that would be even better
The only thing to complain about is the high price of non-OEM Windows. If you want to run Windows games on your Mac, you still have to pay a few hundred dollars for Windows XP to run them on.
;-)
Or you could, y'know, buy an OEM copy...
(For that route, you still need to buy new hardware. Although a mouse is classified as an 'integral system component'. I need a new mouse anyway - this Logitech effort looks a bit manky.)
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it's like I bought a very fast Mac, then just over two weeks later I received a very fast PC of equivalent specs for free.
Not quite free, since you have to buy a copy of XP.
Um...
You *did* pay for that copy of XP, right?
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Dual booting is unpractical
- You have to stop everything on Mac OS (Linux, BSD, whatever) to get into Windows and vice versa.
- Data exchange between systems is horrible (common FAT32/ext2 partition? yikes!)
Being a fulltime Linux user, I know the pain. Now I have two machines sharing data over the network. That's the proper solution, unless you lack funds for a small x86 system. So, in conclusion, I don't understand what all this fuss is all about.
my 2 cents, of course.
I must disagree for atleast 50% with the other reactions to the parent.
Surely Apple will think this is great; they've got the profit on the hardware and needn't make expenses on OS-X support.
For Microsoft, on the other hand, this might not be so great.
For the first time ever, there is an efficient way to migrate to OS-X:
- Cheaper than buying both a Mac and a PC; my next PC upgrade might just be a Mac.
- Fit both OS-X and WinXP worlds in the same desk space.
- Keep WinXP compatibility as long as you like.
Even if everyone buys a WinXP license, it might be a bad thing for Microsoft in the long run.
And there's nothing they can do about it.
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Windows NT was built from the beginning to run on multiple processors, it had a very advanced hardware abstraction layer built in. The other versions never sold very well and there were problems with application support (e.g. people targetting multiple processor arch's). Apple has clevery overcome this obstacle by including "Rosetta" from the start, something similar existed for NT Alpha called FX!32 but I suspect by the time it was released it was too little too late to save the OS.
I'm sure that the HAL is in place in NT derived operating systems to this day and if MS were so inclined they could do another port. However, there's no real business need (as there is for Apple with their transition) so it's never been done. They target the largest installed hardware base.
The issue with getting Windows on Macintel to work is that EFI is so fundamentally different to the traditional BIOS XP expects that you require either the source code of the OS kernel to make it work or have to, as has been done here, provide essentially a bios emulator. This is nothing to do with portability or HAL's, it's about having access to the fundamentally low-level parts of the operating system, something people outside MS don't have.
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Why? Because the new iMac looks good, and now it's available to Windows users.
I not a fan of Mac OS. I can't find software for it (I would have to drive 100+ miles to purchase software at a store), and I'm not particularly fond of the UI. I've spent enough time on OSX to know that it still behaves a lot like older versions of Mac OS in some ways that I never liked. So, I'll stick with XP for my general-purpose PCs and Linux for my specialize stuff like file servers.
Now, my wife would love to move her PC into the living room. Problem is, she doesn't like the way it looks. She practically salivated over the new iMac ("oh pretty!") when she saw it in a copy of MacMall last month, and it will likely wind up being a gift for her some time this year since I now have the option of using XP on it.
Aside from that, this means that people who have to work in both XP and OSX can now dual boot and no longer need to have two systems to do their work.
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Rather than talk about what Microsoft and Apple think, I'd love to see the marketing department at Dell today.
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Apple would never want to support this or even make it easy. But this is a boon. Many people such as myself who wouldn't switch previously will now consider it. In fact I am certain, my next computer will be a Conroe Mac. I predict the cool machine next year will be dual booting Mac with Conroe. Reminds of the old days when hackers liked the Amigas with x86 module that could run Dos/Amiga/Mac software all at full speed.
Why this won't negatively affect SW developers view of mac sales:
The average Mac user is never going to set up a dual boot (especially given no support, difficulties involved) so this really won't impact software developer plans (ie they won't stop making Mac software). Even those who dual boot will probably prefer to have native Mac versions of software. In the end all Macs sold will be potential buyers of Mac software. That is why this is a perfect solution, no official support and difficulties make it something only those who MUST have it will do, so it will not have any significant percentage of people using a Mac, but buying Windows software for it.
Why this is better than booting OSX on a whitebox:
Booting windows on a Mac, is a legal solution. Apple has said they are not doing anything to stop it. So you can have legal OSX and legal WinXP on the mac and keep them both updated with ease. Also the Mac which has less HW support will be running on it's intended platform. Windows should have no problem running on the same hardware. Contrast running pirate/hacked OSX on the whitebox (the only way to do it) which will always be of questionable stability and a fight to upgrade without breaking it.
Way to go guys!
Microsoft is most wholeheartedly not gonna care. They sell you an OS to install on whatever machine you want. As long as it's not a pirated copy (which is a seperate issue), then they don't care.
As to Apple, I doubt they would care either. They primarily sell hardware. OS X is just something to set their hardware apart from other computer makers. Nobody is gonna NOT buy a Mac because it can run Windows, but somepeople might now buy a Mac (who otherwise wouldn't) because now it can.
It benefits both companies.
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WINE relies on X11. While that will be acceptable for some people, it is a long way from there to a "native" Windows emulation that will be acceptable for most people. Drag-and-drop (at least as much as Windows normally supports), copy-paste, and handling windows as native objects are all issues with X11.
He said PC, not "license of Windows XP".
If you have a retail license of XP, it can be transferred to the Mac. If you have an OEM copy, you have to tell MS "I just had to replace the motherboard, CPU, and RAM"
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Well, 3D acceleration under VMware is on the way, according to_ d3d.html
_ d3d_enabling_vm.html
http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_vidsound
It's in experimental stage, but looks promising.
The following link tells how to enable it for a given guest O.S.:
http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_vidsound
According to Intel documentation, using a CSM that plugs into the EFI framework should allow for booting BIOS-based operating systems:In the words of Jim Cramer, "booyah."
Now I have two machines sharing data over the network. That's the proper solution, unless you lack funds for a small x86 system.
Why do swiss army knives sell?
Having two OS available in a single portable laptop or BYODKM-box(*) where you may not always have a network by which to connect to another machine is the point. It reduces your burden of having to carry two expensive laptops.
For an iMac, it is less compelling.
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that makes you.... an idiot. ;)
i think the money is humiliation enough for the nay-sayers.
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Just tell them you upgraded the MB and that's good enough. They'll let you get by with that rough;y once per year (or any time a super cool new feature comes out).
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The good, the bad, the ugly, and the OH GOD MAKE IT STOP!?
(And yes, I too leave matching the categories to the OS as an exercise to the reader...)
Here's the scenario. I would like to try out Mac OS, and maybe even use it 75% of the time. However, I wouldn't buy a Mac because I would still need to use windows for the other 25%. If it was possible to run both on the same hardware, I could buy a Mac, run MacOS whenever I can, and then boot into windows for the 25% of the time that I need to run windows. Sounds a lot like how I run Linux right now. Although its close to 90% linux, 10% windows. If running Linux meant that I couldn't run windows, I probably never would have tried linux to begin with.
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Because this isn't a solution for a casual user. People who buy Macs buy them because they like Macs. The people who have risen to this challenge have done this because they like a challenge.
as opposed to running Vista console-only?
all current intel macs meet or surpass the minimum Vista requirements. The MacBook Pro, and the iMac should be able to run all the cool added visual affects, but its unknown if the GMA950 video in the mini can do this. But those options can be disabled and Vista still run.
Well, there's no super strange cards in use; e.g. the iMac uses an ATI Radeon X1600. Sure, they may have somehow modified the graphics card for their needs, but I doubt it.
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Congratulations to narf2006 and blanka! Great Job!
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From the screenshots available on the osx86project.org website it seems that there's still a bit of work to be done: finding drivers!
Here's the Windows Device Manager on iMac Core Duo - http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?s=ab17121
The drivers that need to be (and most if not all will be) found are:
- ATI Radeon X1600 PCI Express video driver
- Ethernet 10/100/1000BASE-T (Gigabit) driver
- Airport Extreme driver
- Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR driver
- iSight driver
- IR receiver driver
and possibly 4 other drivers (Bus controller, Chipset, etc.)
I don't know if sound works or not (sound devices aren't expanded in the image). I'm guessing that Firewire and USB 2.0 don't need drivers (Windows XP SP2 supports them out of the box usually)
And then the drivers will have to be found for similar devices on the other Intel Macs (MacBook Pro, Mac Mini)
It is very possible to setup a 3-boot situation seeing how Linux Beat Windows to Intel iMac.
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There is an aqua driver in the works for DarWINE. Once it is operational, it will make Windows windows look like they are native mac apps.
why would you pay all that cash for a great workstation to just take it out the box & dump XP on it....
Well speaking personally, I'm going to buy a MacBook Pro and install XP on it purely to piss off you and the rest of the Apple zealots.
For an encore I'm then going to video myself smashing it into thousands of little pieces and post it on the net. I figure that at least a few thousand zealots will die due to excessive rage. And that has to be worth a couple of thousand dollars.
maybe more than 30% of the dual booters will actually pay for a Windows license
;o)
A percent (%) character seems to have slipped in there.
OEM copies are not boxed, and come with absolutely no support from Microsoft; they're also supposedly tied to the machine that they came with, although I've had no problems with that. Full Retail are boxed, come with some period of free support from Microsoft (90 days?) and are not tied to the machine.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
no, apple could have made it easy. EFI includes something called the CSM. This is a system designed to allow legacy operating systems to boot. An EFI with this should be able to boot windows no problem.
Except Apple's version of EFI doesn't support CSM. I get what you're saying about them not wanting legacy hardware, but how hard would it be for them to include a CSM? If they thought that allowing windows to run on intel macs would have been beneficial, they would have.
"Wouldn't a VM be better for this?"
I'm kinda loathed to give msft $ for a VM when I can just install WindowsXP from my installer disk.
I need a new laptop anyway, so may as well go with an Intel based Mac and be able to run pretty much anything i want.
Pfft, everyone knows that frog story is a debunked myth. Find a better proverb to use, or risk your argument falling flat on its face in an actual debate.
That give, I agree with you ^^
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Considering the fact that the Device Manager screenshot from the iMac Core Duo shows an abudance of "Unknown devices" (including the display adapter), and considering the drivers for these devices probably do not exist for Windows, I don't see people playing games anytime soon.
Microsot is not happy. Do you really believe they dropped EFI booting from Vista because they couldn't do it? Yeah, right.
Say I want to buy a Mac to dual-boot both systems. All Macs come with OSX, so by buying my new Mac I've bought that too. I turn it on, check it out, and suddenly I see a better OS than Windows up and running right away. I get to like it and I never buy that Windows license and don't dual boot after all, happily knowing that I could do it if it ever became necessary.
If Windows didn't run on that Mac, I'd never buy that Mac in the first place and would most likely stick to the usual PC/Windows combination. In other words, Microsoft would get my money.
(That's of course assuming I were a typical non-geek user. If I were to speak for myself, I might hesitate about the hardware (Macs look awesome!) but the software would be clearly GNU/Linux.)
Can I install AROS as well?
http://www.aros.org/
that way I could quintuple boot
- a dream OS
- a good OS
- a bad OS
- an ugly OS
- a dead OS
I'm not saying what OS is a dream OS.
Well speaking personally, I'm going to buy a MacBook Pro and install XP on it purely to piss off you and the rest of the Apple zealots. For an encore I'm then going to video myself smashing it into thousands of little pieces and post it on the net.
As an Apple shareholder, I recommend you buy *many* Macs and destroy them in creative ways.
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This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Did you expect a complete solution right out of the gate? Of course there is alot of unknown hardware, XP has been running on iMacs for like a week now, tops. You can't play games now, but this is clearly a step in the direction of playing games.
I think Homer Simpson could best describe how I understand your opinion:
"You tried your best, and you failed miserabley. The lesson is 'never try' "
College Humor at it's best
. . . wait for it. . . DMCA to be misused by Apple in 3, 2, 1
You have now been sued by Apple in their nightly bid to take over the world. Troz!!
Seriously though, I wonder if Apple would consider taking action? They've already taken action against folks who run OS/X on Wintel boxes. If I were to run OS/X I'd want to run it on a whitebox PC, not an Applefied proprietary box that I can't select better hardware for.
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Now that the directions are out, it looks like it requires doing a little slipstreaming to the Windows XP CD (and apparently one that has SP2 in it already).
For those of us who work in IT, like me, and have already created a slipstreamed XP CD with the latest security updates (and storage drivers--thank god for that! no more F6 during an install), I want to know how to add the XP on Mac fixes to that already-prepared CD. Oh, and I want to know how to do that without having to go and actually figure it out myself (mostly because I don't yet have an Intel Mac of my own to play with). WINNT.SIF I can handle, but I'd rather leave TXTSETUP.SIF to someone more knowledgeable (hopefully that will work with the iastor drivers that are already inserted into my CD).
From a quick glance at the patch provided, it looks like it provides the iaStor drivers for the Windows installer to be able to access the hard drive (since the Intel Macs appear to use an Intel 945 chipset with ICH7 storage, this makes sense, since you can't exactly hit "F6" during boot to load the drivers from a floppy. It also looks like it adds a custom framebuffer driver, since the X1600 is apparently one of the few things that doesn't have working drivers yet (everything else seems to be supported by the generic Intel Chipset drivers, the generic Marvell Yukon Gig-E drivers, the generic Broadcom WiFi card drivers, etc). I guess the X1600 issue isn't an issue on the Mac Minis, since those have Intel 950 integrated graphics.
In any case, this is the greatest news I have heard in a long time. I really want to get a MacBook Pro to replace my aging Power Mac G4/500 DP and my crappy eMachines laptop, and I want to dual-boot Windows XP just so I can play games at LAN parties without having to drag my desktop system around (and run a few bits of Windows-only software). For day to day use, nothing beats Mac OS X.
wow, if I put a bullet in my mac, will it run as well as XP on my mac?
There's a torrent to the solution at http://exe64.com:6969/ seeing as how the onmac servers seem to be down at the moment.
A lot of people use a PC at work, and most corporate seat licenses allow you to install Windows on one additional machine at home, so not everybody has to run out and buy retail Windows to be legal.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
I've changed my motherboard three times and the re-activation has gone smoothly and automatically each time. Was I just lucky?
The official instructions call for an HFS+ OS X partition, and an NTFS Windows partition. But, you could add a third FAT32 partition to hold common data, if you so desired. (And if you REALLY wanted to, you could copy OS X's 'Users' folder, and Windows' 'Documents and Settings' folder over to it so that your entire user data structures for both OSes were on one shared partition.)
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
It seems that one might well be able to subvert the 'standby' or 'sleep' modes of both OS's to provide fast OS switching; hit a key to get the system to slumber (i.e. save system state) then add a 'system state swap' hack where you can switch over into the slumber mode of the other OS and reawaken.
AFAIK both OS's have both 'light standby' and sleep modes, presumably sleep involves swapping the ram out to disk and even reinitialising hardware on wake, so may just be the ticket.
If this can be made to work and tweaked for speed it would seem that you'd be able to ALT-TAB between OS's with a sub-10 second delay. That'd do for me.
Hope so!
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It's not very fast, but XP works in Q / QUEMU.
Here's a pic of it running:
XP running in QEMU.
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There are numerous options other than the Microsoft VMs. I agree about it being nice to have a machine that can boot into all of the OSs though. However, in my experience, dual booting sucks because what we found is that the machine will stay in one OS 99.9% of the time and the other OS is just a waste of HDD space (as well as having to switch over to apply security updates and such). We went with having one OS per machine and just having more than one machine. It worked for us because we have multiple people needing to use machines as well. Other than that, a VM package (we use VMWare) can take care of the rest.
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here a little torrent where you can find narf2006 howto and files http://exe64.com:6969/torrent.html?info_hash=889b0 afec31c90c2ca744ce0463954017a43685a
What you'll need
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1. An original XP PRO SP2 CDROM
It doesn't have to be bootable, but it should have a I386
directory on the root.
2. The xom.zip file.
3. Nero Burning ROM
4. A blank CD
5. A PC of course...
6. 20-30 minutes
That the classic 1984 ad showed a woman wearing colored clothes running into a hall of gray zombified people smashing the video of the gray evil dictator.
And this was used to sell a product that was monochrome.
The original Apple rainbow logo highlighted the fact that Apple IIs were one of the first low cost computers to do color video displays (thanks to Woz).
After Jobs moved on to NeXt with their high res monochrome screens, I often have wondered if Steve Jobs is color blind.
Sometimes my arms bend back.
Tiger (the latest OSX, included with all Intel Macs) includes this functionality. Open the "Keyboard & Mouse" preferences, and click "Modifier Keys." Remap to your heart's content.
Sleep (Mac OS) / Standby (Windows): A low-power state in which the contents of main system memory are preserved, but power is cut to most other hardware, including the main processor. On resuming, the processor powers up, but with an empty cache, and the system is usable very quickly as if it was never powered down.
Deep Sleep (Mac OS) / Hibernate (Windows): A state in which the contents of main memory are saved to disk, as well as some configuration parameters, then the system is completely powered off. On turning the computer back on, the OS loader recognizes this saved state on disk, and reloads that image of main memory. The system then resumes as if it had woken from a normal Sleep/Standby. This takes significantly longer to 'wake' from than Sleep/Stanby, as it must load the contents of main memory from disk. This takes longer on systems with more memory, and with slower hard drives. (i.e. A 256 MB RAM system with a 15,000 RPM SCSI hard drive would wake many times faster than a 4 GB RAM system with a 5400 RPM ATA drive.)
It's Deep Sleep/Hibernate that could be subverted. If you could find a way to have the OS loader (the one that in this solution provides a simple graphical Apple or Windows logo,) be certain to load before the Deep Sleep/Hibernate loaders, and check for the Deep Sleep/Hibernate images on each OS' partition, it would be possible to switch between 'hibernating' OSes fairly simply. (Windows has an easy-to-access method for entering Hibernate mode; OS X is more difficult to force into this mode, but it is possible.)
That's actually a great idea. I'll have to see if the current solution happens to support this. (It may already work without having been specifically implemented, just due to the nature of the way Deep Sleep/Hibernate works. I know that in Windows, it's the OS bootloader that checks for the Hibernate image, so the Windows end should work just fine; I'm not sure if in Mac OS it's the OS bootloader that does it, or if the OS sets something in EFI that might actually break the article's hack...)
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
Wow, in my universe we're still at 10.4.5!
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