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DesktopBSD 1.0 Final Released
Don Church writes "DesktopBSD is reporting that the 1.0 Final of DesktopBSD was released today for both 32-bit and 64-bit x86 architectures. This cutting edge FreeBSD derivative now includes KDE 3.5.1 and a host of tools designed to make the BSD experience more palatable to novices. The DVD release even includes Amarok, Firefox and other popular software ready to go. They are offering downloads via several mirrors or the official torrent."
heh... I guess this flavour of BSD can't quite take a slashdotting... ;)
From here...
Hardware requirements and support
DesktopBSD is running on any decent i386, AMD64 or EM64T computer. We recommend at least 4 GB of disk space and 256 MB memory for installation, maybe less is possible.
If you want to know if a specific hardware component is supported, please see the FreeBSD Hardware Notes for i386 or AMD64/EM64T.
Most people have a hard time remembering if their CPU is made by Pentium or made by Intel. They won't have a clue whether it's i386 or AMD64.
I was trying to get to the wiki link to read about the server features they might have included (packages, etc.)...guess the slashdotting may have answered my questions.... however, on a serious note....i have been playing with the initial release on an old PII with 64mb of ram and was extremely impressed with the stability and responsiveness. Nothing too ground breaking but is definitely a great version for new users of non windows OSes and is relatively nice to run on old hardware at the standard installation level (haven't needed to do much tweaking). However, being a "desktop" distrobution there isn't really much in terms of natively installed server tools, but is quite understandable....just would have been nice for a newer user to not have to try to hunt down the packages or decide which to use.
my site of misleading and incorrect information!
RC3 screenshots
Torrent here: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=1734&name= DesktopBSD-1.0-x86-DVD.iso.torrent
You're comparing apples to oranges. FreeBSD is a single, cohesive operating system. DesktopBSD is a single, cohesive operating system. They are two distinctly different operating systems.
/usr/ports/UPGRADING before I use portupgrade.
That would be like saying, "I installed Debian stable on my computer and I found that all of the software was out of date. Therefore Genoo must be out of date as well." We both know that's not accurate.
Having not installed DesktopBSD before, maybe they have some new tools for ports for "everyday" users. I have never had problems with ports on my FreeBSD servers, btw - but I also read
MirrorDot and Corel Casche are out as the page is giving a database error and they snapped that. Maybe it will be up later.
Nothing to see here (for now).
Procrastinating life a way at a rapid rate of speed.
Mirrordot cache: http://mirrordot.org/stories/e7cd62fa4b24ca2788721 1c05d686136/index.html
? id=43&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=15&tx_ttnews%5BbackPi d%5D=55&cHash=cddb1e432f
And Coral Cache:
http://www.desktopbsd.net.nyud.net:8080/index.php
When will slashcode be modified to automatically use the cached pages? Harumph! </SARCASM>
Muwahahaha
Having not installed DesktopBSD before, maybe they have some new tools for ports for "everyday" users. I have never had problems with ports on my FreeBSD servers, btw - but I also read /usr/ports/UPGRADING before I use portupgrade.
:-)
I've never had any problems with ports on my FreeBSD server, either. The problems I had were all desktop-related, e.g., the latest version of some Gnome library is required in order to run app A, but breaks app B. These are the kinds of rough edges that you don't see as a Linux user, because the developers themselves are all running Linux, and if something breaks, they know right away. Also, I think the level of testing and effort that goes into packaging desktop software on, say Ubuntu and Debian, is an order of magnitude greater than the effort that goes into the same stuff for FreeBSD -- simply because the size of the Linux desktop community is an order of magnitude greater. Of course I'd love to be proved wrong about DesktopBSD, and I admit to not even having RTFA, since it's slashdotted
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This is just a baseless troll, without any real information.
WTF? I can't remember the last time I saw FreeBSD ports break. Not even a SINGLE package. They ALL compile and install perfectly every time. Hell, I've UPGRADED my system from FreeBSD version to version, never bothered uninstalling the old ports, and everything continues to work fine. I've never seen ANY other OS handle upgrades remotely as gracefully.
Besides, even if you did have a problem with compiling from ports (which I have a very hard time believing), why didn't you just install from the binary packages, instead?
I can't believe this is anything other than another anti-BSD troll.
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FreeBSD could still beat Linux to the desktop just because it's standardised on what comes with it, and you could release packages for it a lot more easily. What's lacking is hardware support (which is even more miserable than linux), and desktop performance. If they worked on desktop performance, I think they could easily get drivers by porting them from Linux. I wouldn't mind running FreeBSD on my laptop if only they'd get the performance right. I have actually dual booted FreeBSD and Linux on the same box, both running the same version of KDE, and FreeBSD is just dog slow compared to Linux, which isn't that fast to begin with. Sure KDE can be a hog, but it's either more of a hog on FreeBSD or FreeBSD just doesn't pay attention to a desktop user's needs.
Are you Faulkner's Mother?
Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered to kill your friends while committing suicide.
Ahem. That isn't a very constructive criticism. Yes, people that use FreeBSD know that is more appropriate for a server, although that hasn't stopped me amongst others from successfully using FreeBSD on a desktop/workstation.
And if you had such problems, what was wrong with the mailing lists? irc? forums? etc.
The ports system like anything else; yum, rpm, emerge, pkgsrc, etc. all have there gripes, and how are such things supposed to get better for you --and others-- when you do not tell anyone at the time with the required information; that is like going to the doctor and saying I feel ill and not giving any symptoms that are needed for diagnosis.
You get what you pay for in the Open Source Software and/or Free Software world, a lot of what you use is done with peoples unpaid spare time. People like you make us wonder why we bother.
/. is good for you.
I wonder how this differs from PC-BSD.
They managed to ship earlier despite a later start. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
it's called freshmeat
I write code.
Before we get into the usual banter about BSD, Netcraft, or whatever they've confirmed recently, I have to say that I use BSD more now then ever.
It would never have dawned on me to bother with trying BSD as a desktop until I had some extra cash in the account and setup a system for network monitoring and packet scanning. With the bulk of the load being network-based, I figured this might as well be my desktop system too to garner more bang for the buck. This, mind you, after having used GNU/Linux and Windows for years and relegating BSD to beige server boxen only.
That was a about a year ago. Today every PC I own runs FreeBSD as the primary desktop.
It's not without it's issues when you install from the standard FreeBSD disks. I had to compile OOOrg from ports using flags (with cups, kde), and I had to install the linuxflashplayer-wrapper and tinker with it for a while to get it running...so yes, there are dozens of "little" things that keep this from desktop adoption.
If a distribution such as DesktopBSD can create prepackaged desktop installations with a preconfigured flash-player, OOOrg, etc...I don't see why many people wouldn't at least try it out. The package management from a desktop user perspective has been great (I prefer it over apt, yum or portage), I have no failed installations due to -cpio bad magic, checksig errors (when I know the keys are installed), etc...
Be prepared though, with this install you get a basic desktop. There is still much work to be done, but this is a nice start from a group of guys I can totally relate to.
If you're half as beautiful naked, you'd be 4 times as beautiful with twice as many clothes on.
Knowing a bit about what you're doing is fairly important with ports, especially when dealing with complex upgrades like Gnome; dependency tracking's a lot less anal than apt/dpkg. This is good when you've got something installed from outside ports, and works nicely when you just want to pick and choose a few things to update (say, after running portaudit or tracking an interesting update on FreshPorts/commit logs).
Geeky FreeBSD users need a desktop too, and now we have three variants to choose from; FreeBSD, PC BSD and DesktopBSD. YMMV; just because it's aimed at desktops doesn't mean it's aimed at yours or your mother's.
BSD now ships a more recent cut of KDE than Gentoo does. Wow. Never thought I'd see that.
Respected Slashdot users made a prediction today: DesktopBSD the desktop ready and user friendly port of FreeBSD is dying! The website, reportedly run on IIS, crashed at 3 minutes past being posted to Slashdot.org this afternoon.
Remember that Slashdot confirms DesktopBSD's site is DYING!
Oh You POS
Don't troll this, you damn trolls!
I typed "portinstall kde3" on a FreeBSD system last week, and it resulted in a fully installed, ready-to-use KDE 3.5.1 system. What exactly did you find it to be missing or broken?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Are you incredibly stupid, or...?
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Read the grandparent again. Then read it again. Read it maybe three or four times more. Pay particular attention to font weights.
Then make your comment again.
*sigh*
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Then you wernt using them correctly..
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It's been 18 months or so since I cvsupped the core OS. I'll be looking at DesktopBSD as an option the next time I do that.
Sorry, that is just wrong. Free is a not bad system, but I have seen more than a few broken ports problems. One of the big issues is binary drivers and programs in the ports tree that require signing licence agreements. Installing OpenOffice I had to stop and download three different licences before it finally puked and just wouldn't install. Realplayer doesn't run nativly and has to use Linux Binary compatiblity mode, Flash is a program that just doesn't work. The alternatives cause Firefox to crash randomly. These are problems in ADDITION to the installer. It has been a while since I installed Free but we stopped using it a while ago due to one of the worst installers I have EVER seen. It wouldn't resolve DNS correctly and if you made a mistake, you are starting ALL over again. After 6 people (all OBSD people, so we are not talking n00bs) tried and failed to make the installer work correctly we took all our FreeBSD disks and threw them out the 18th floor of my friend's appartment building. Lastly, when I tried to boot up the computer behind my firewall without passing defining a local domain suffex it would hang on the sendmail script for 10 to 15 min before continueing on with the boot. While these issues may have been fixed, what I saw was a dev team more instrested in programing SMP into the kernel then fixing the existing problems with their installer or their OS. Until that attitude changes, I will not be using FreeBSD again anytime soon. Just my 2 cents, sorry about the spelling =P Peace
Will they be releasing a version for the AlphaStation? I have this nice machine here and would like to run that on it...
Actually, I tend to prefer FreeBSD, but have never gotten gst-ffmpeg (for GNOME) or mplayer in ports to compile; and since I'm on a source-built machine, it won't let me fetch a package.
Other than this one instance, FreeBSD has been great as well as fast with the proper optimizations in make.conf.
I haven't used FreeBSD for awhile but occasionally I have had to search for packages because some ports would not compile or would sig11. It was not often but I used FreeBSD as a desktop and installed a ton of software on it.
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"WTF? I can't remember the last time I saw FreeBSD ports break. Not even a SINGLE package."
Ah come on now. I have run freebsd servers for years and I can tell you from direct experience that there have been numerous times I could not get one port or another to build. The one I remember being pissed off the most was net-snmp for a while. I waited for months and emailed the author but it still didn't get fixed so I had to compile from source (something I do not like to do as a matter of course).
With all those ports there are bound to be defects at some time or another. I also remember I had problems with sablotron for a while too.
evil is as evil does
That's insane. I've never seen anything like that, and I've certainly compiled MPlayer dozens of times. If I did see that, I'd fix it.
How about posting the log of this MPlayer error?
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That much is true, only because it has Java as a dependency. I can't see how that would cause it to fail to compile. Anyhow, you can always disable Java (hence the license agreements) with "-DWITHOUT_JAVA".
Yes it does, but it still works just fine (just takes a while to install all the Linux base libs). If you don't want to do that, you can always install MPlayer/Xine, which will run natively, and use the Win32 DLLs.
It had it working just fine back when I needed it. Then I got annoyed with all the ads and animations and uninstalled it all-together.
Yes, that much is true. The open source flash libraries are terribly unstable, but that has NOTHING to do with FreeBSD, as they exhibit the same behavior on Linux.
What the hell? The FreeBSD installer is basically a step-up from the Slackware installer, and a hell of a lot better than the limited and bare-bones OpenBSD installer. You can always abort whatever step you're on, go back to the main screen, and start that step again. I have no idea where you're getting the idea from that you are somehow stuck with your mistakes.
First legitimate complaint I've heard so far... Yes, that minor issue is very easily worked-around.
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Option A: You have enough space on your disk(s) Option B: You use Partition Magc or something similar to free some space Yes, you can use the FreeBSD-bootloader, GAG, Grub etc. for multiboot. - Daniel
And as inexperimented to various unixes as I am, I've had such a though time with various Linuxes to get to install the software I wanted (eh, I'm a n00b!), as I never had any software resisting me yet in FreeBSD
You just got troll'd!
RIS?
I don't get it.
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The OSS ecosystem is healthier with two viable desktop systems to choose from, rather than just Linux.
There are more than two. Considerably more than two.
I use NetBSD, for instance.
the differences are huge, from kernel archatecture, to implementation of command line tools... they're completly unrelated beasts. it's like comparing to high performance cars from competeing itialian designers to the edsel that is Microsoft windows. okay, bad analogy, it's more like comparing two different top quality diner to the pre-processed mcdonald's food. although the food quality is better at either diner, because mecdonald's is 'known by everyone' and 'avialable anywhere in the world' it's what everyone eats.
Here's the short answer: download an ISO, install in on a spare partition, run it for a few weeks/days and do interesting things with. Learning a new OS is like learning a new programming language: you can write the same trivial programs in any language, but if you want to know what makes them unique, you have to do a variety of non-trivial things with each in order to understand them.
Any attempt by anyone to "explain" it without you using it would really be insufficient.
By the way, how did you get an mplayer linked against libm.so.3? libm.so.4 is the current version on my system that I'm typing this on, and that's what my mplayer is linked to.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Oh please. I have used FreeBSD for about 6 years now, and I can recall numerous times where ports broke after a portupgrade. It happens--you just have to know to contact the port's maintainer.
Having said that, my first linux system was redhat 6.0. I didn't use linux for a number of years, and just started using gentoo a few months ago, so I don't know too much about it yet. But I do know this: FreeBSD doesn't buckle under load. During a port install, I/O is essentially unaffected. From what I have seen, this is nowhere near the case with Linux. The only reason that I switched to linux is that FreeBSD amd64 support has been lacking. If something has changed and this DesktopBSD thing is really nice, I might consider switching back.
They forgot to include the performance!
OpenBSD is actively replacing GPL code with BSD to excise the last parts (although I seriously doubt we'll see another BSD-licensed C compiler).
Perhaps if they weren't so intent on wasting time, they could be exciting enough to get funding!
Seriously, I think the BSD community's devotion to its license is notable, but they're never going to make any progress at all if they're so fanatically opposed to the GPL. Since the GPL doesn't affect normal users at all (rather, just the people that want to take and not give back), it seems like a dramatic waste of time. They're not about to win anyone over that is going to do anything for their cause -- unless their cause is to be a free programmer for the proprietary software industry.
Sorry BSD guys -- the GPL is huge! You'll never escape it! David Wheeler surveyed license penetration in 2003 by looking at Freshmeat and SourceForge. GPL-licensed code came in around 70%, BSD licensed code around 4-7%. LGPL - the FSF's answer to BSD - came in at 5-10%!
As a parttime job I currently 'play' administrator for a small company... They are running some remote terminal servers for a few Windows apps they really need still, rest of their desktop apps are all either native FreeBSD or some Linux binaries. Not a very large installation, only some 8 or so machines, all pxe booted diskless machines (tho they have a local flash disk), and easily maintained from a central server. They run about as many servers for hosting a bunch of web apps and some firewalls. (and an oddball linux and windows machine here and there)
Anyway, seems to work pretty well for them. Almost anything they use is built from source locally but by some centralized machines, and is distributed in a controlled way as binary packages.
Just got asterisk to realize we have isdn hardware, nice small scale voip project is next, kiax is already running.
And yeah, I did setup most of that environment, its interesting how esp. the developers and web people seem to be quite content with it.
you would know that
Modem refers to the actual computer
Computer refers to the monitor
OK, do me a favor and get yourself a FreeBSD box. as root, go into /usr/ports/misc/instant-workstation and run a "make install clean" and let me know if that works for you. Hasn't worked for me in ages. There's no way to get a quick desktop with FreeBSD without doing a bunch of work -- installing X, a desktop and then X apps so that you can actually use it (firefox, gaim, xmms/rhythmbox et al).
FreeBSD for the impatient.
This democracy thing is so wonderful, I can't understand why anyone would be interested in more than one candidate. :-)
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Shows how much you know. I'm using a nicely updated FreeBSD 6.0 right now. Using Firefox 1.5 compiled from ports (with a minor modification to have it use GTK1 instead of 2). In fact, practically every program I'm using was compiled from ports, perhaps with the exception of MPlayer, since I wanted a CVS snapshot, not the last (1-year old) release.
Yes, well, the "FreeBSD diciples" you know may quite possibly be idiots. I have no way of knowing.
Nope, still the same-old installer. If it ain't broke...
Definately not. Linux has only been around about 15 years now, and I've got a much longer history with computers than that. In fact I still sometimes use a '81 QUME terminal I kept around.
Only if you paid for it... I'm sure plenty of us were loading up floppies at school/work instead of paying for it.
If only that were true. I've run across lots of systems where OpenBSD didn't like the disk geometry, couldn't load a driver for the CD-ROM, didn't have appropriate network card drivers, would lock-up upon kernel boot-up, would start throwing out read-errors halfway through installation, etc. The most annoying, though, is one I went through repeatedly... The OpenBSD boot disk/CD isn't a big fan of my Alpha system, and if it sits idle (no keypresses) for more than about 2 minutes, you can't input anything. Now, to make this problem all the more horendous, it loads the de driver before the dc one (took quite a while for me to figure-out this problem) so these hundreds of megs of dist files were downloading at 1KB/s, meaning I'd have to sit there at the keyboard for a very long time to get the thing installed.
This is beyond ridiculous. Nothing you have listed could even remotely be considered a bug in FreeBSD, at all. At most you can consider the above an inconvenience. Perhaps a lack of polish.
I'm just wasting my time. I'm done with this nonsense zealotry... Send a bugreport, post some details, etc. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air.
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I've had absolutely no problems building mplayer. None at all. The only thing I've ever had problems with was with a perl upgrade late last year. But that was only because I didn't read the UPDATING notice like I should have.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
How is Java Support? Can I run eclipse?
MPlayer: when you configure the args at compile time to compile the Realplayer codecs it pukes when it reaches them. I belive the problem I was having was that there was no codec avalible for it to download. It also won't compile them by default so you have to set the flag at compile time. Never did get it to work correctly, ditched it.
/usr/lib/codecs and then compile MPlayer without any special arguments. My .rm files works just fine.
I always download the 12M all codec pack and put it in
Anyone who says the ports never breaks isnt a true freebsd user.
Almost every distro of *nix that has needs other packages will break sometimes, thats the biggest fault of opensource software, almost everything has dependices.
I havent seen DLL hell in years, but I've had KDE/Gnome hell on every upgrade.
While I am not going to go into the technical merits, never mind the security benifits of the BSD family of operating systems. Here is the biggest different between *BSD and the rest;
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That is the licence. The whole bit. There are no chapters, certainly it does without a three page preamble! Here is the link to the GNU licence licence. As you can see, it is many pages in length. The strength of the BSD licence is that it still allows an avenue for developers to make money from their creations. In this way it is the only Open Source alternative that can realisticly challenge the Microsofts of the world. Apple certainly has seen the light.
my, don't I feel foolish =P http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
The problem with democracy is that nobody seems to want it, and that when asked if they want it, 40% of voters stay at home, and the rest vote with whoever the media tells them too. People don't understand politics and values they understand the market. In that respect they want short term, more for less at the expense of the future, because the future is uncertain at best. So is it any wonder that left to its own devices the market forms monopolies (autocracies) and not co-operatives (democracies)? The best way to guarentee that you have the best deal, is if its the only deal in town.
I would like nothing more than hetrogenous IT landscape. I already use OS X on my laptop, Linux on my home server, Win2K on work dev box and Solaris on our dev servers. I code, predominantly in Java, but also do a bit of PHP, P/Jython and Cocoa, and I love the concepts of democracy and choice, but even in IT my views are not the norm. The developers I work with fear change. They actively avoid having to telnet into the Solaris boxes, they think I'm mad for owning a Mac, and they still think Linux is just for geeks (a category they sign up to only in job description). If thats the IT workforce, whats happening in the real world?
The noobs right to ask the question, why do we need more than one OS? The answer is, we don't. I'm not that suprised, that even within the OSS aware IT crowd that people are still asking that question, and will be asking it again when Hurd finally rears its horns. The reason we have OS X, Linux and BSD is not because we need them, but because we can, because it's there. That's the realm of mountain climbers, pioneers and artic explorers, not the 95% of people that are happy with Windows.
Scared of flying, pointy things snce 1979!
> To me, a full-time Linux user, FreeBSD remains as that alternative exotic Unix ;)]?
;)]?
> thingy, which (because of Linux's greateness) has no reason to exist whatsoever.
> Disclaimer: I know I'm extremely wrong here, but I just don't know why and I hope
> someone will enlighten me in a friendly tone.
>
> To put it simply: Given the existence of Linux, a technically superb and free as in
> speech OS, why would anyone be interested in FreeBSD [I hope you forgive me
To me, a full-time FreeBSD user, Linux remains as that alternative exotic Unix
thingy, which (because of FreeBSD's greateness) has no reason to exist whatsoever.
Disclaimer: I know I'm extremely wrong here, but I just don't know why and I hope
someone will enlighten me in a friendly tone.
To put it simply: Given the existence of FreeBSD, a technically superb and free as in
speech OS, why would anyone be interested in Linux [I hope you forgive me
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But this tools are no pro if you compare them to the windows tools. So linux has neither support for pro-audio tools.
Oh really? That's pretty weird. Please tell me what we are lacking? In what sense Ardour is not capable for pro-audio? Please tell me, I'm truly interested to hear that.
Maybe you didn't know that, but Linux ALSA supports high end audio cards like RME Hammerfall 100%. It is also possible to use VST plugins with JACK audio connection kit. Also, JACK is the most advanced way to share audio between different audio apps on _ANY_ platform.
Hey, it's funny! You know what I heard? Highend mixing console designer Harrison (one of the leading manufacturers in business) supports Ardour and actually promotes it to it's customers! What the hell? How can this be? Oh no, they favor Ardour over Pro-Tools! No! This must not be true! It's Linux software, it's not Windows software so it can not be pro-audio tool! Yeah right. Are you familiar with Ardour? Did you know that it outperforms ProTools on similar hardware? Perhaps you should actually learn about Linux audio before you open your mouth.
Have to disagree with you on one thing. If you upgraded and didn't see anything break, you haven't been doing it for long.
I am a BSD fan. Why, I am typing this from my FreeBSD desktop at work. But I admit that upgrades (at least once) broke quite a bit. When BSD went from a.out to ELF, a ton of libraries stopped working as advertised.
I have also had problems with ports, but very rarely. Most notably browser plug-ins and java related software have given me fits. But those are the exceptions, not the rules. To be honest, I have had more difficulty getting a CD player to work on Red Hat (at a previous job) than I have with anything on FreeBSD (Java excepted).
Boys from the City. Not yet caught by the Whirlwind of Progress. Feed soda pop to the thirsty pigs.
I think you misunderstood the point in that comment of mine... I haven't seen any other OS upgrade even from one version to the next, without serious breakage. That FreeBSD works smoothly even after just one upgrade is a significant achievment.
Yes, that would be the time NOT to upgrade, but to install from scratch. There's no way that change could possibly be handled gracefully.
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i *must* be incredibly stupid. after all, i am replying to you.
I write code.
huh? i assume you're trying to make a pun, however, it's so weak i'm not seeing it.
I write code.
"my only issues have been when web browsers or similar eat enormous amounts of RAM and I/O capacity"
yep, Firefox.
and it ain't crash proof either!
(compare that to opera 8.5, mozilla got some work to do)
the themes are nice though..