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Recounting Bioware's Baldur's Gate II

radicalskeptic writes "In the latest installment of Gamespot's series modestly titled 'The Greatest Games of All Time', the editors review Bioware's RPG classic from 2000: Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. The article is a broad overview of the game and touches on the game's innovations, comments on its historical significance, and includes a section devoted to BGII's romantic subplot. Gamespot concludes that 'all in all, Baldur's Gate II is a towering achievement in the history of role-playing games, giving you a huge world to explore, plenty of well-drawn NPCs to argue with or get romantic with, and an engaging story that's simultaneously epic and personal.'"

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  1. NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by Illbay · · Score: 1
    Baldur's Gate II [gives] you a huge world to explore, plenty of well-drawn NPCs to argue with or get romantic with...

    *shudder*

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    1. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by MajroMax · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Baldur's Gate II [gives] you a huge world to explore, plenty of well-drawn NPCs to argue with or get romantic with...

      *shudder*

      Not really -- it's only as "creepy" as a fantasy novel with romantic subplot. Baldur's Gate II was extremely well-written, and the overall experience was like a novel wrapped up with D&D game mechanics. Most notably, the NPC's behaved in a believable way, with inner conflicts and personality flaws.

      The sex, if it happened, was entirely "offstage", referred to only in dialogue, and occured only within the framework of a deeper romantic subplot.

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    2. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by jettoki · · Score: 1

      Yeah, until you load up Throne of Bhaal, and Aerie starts throwing in *giggles* and comments about your 'size.'

      Crrreeeeepy. I think the writers for ToB were bunkered up alone in their cubicles for too long.

    3. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had a friend who was very fond of the sex thing in BG2. Her only complaint was that her female character was only allowed to get it on with guys....

    4. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by balthan · · Score: 1, Funny

      I had a friend who was very fond of the sex thing in BG2. His only complaint was that his female character was only allowed to get it on with guys....

      There, fixed it for ya. (Stupid Slashdot doesn't allow strike-out.)

    5. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the secret to hot lesbian luvluv was to start as a male character and then put on the Girdle of Gender Bending.

    6. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by ZipR · · Score: 1

      And modders have added even more romance (and sex) to the game: http://modlist.pocketplane.net/index.php?ax=list&c at_id=21

    7. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by theantipop · · Score: 1

      The problem was that it was too realistic. After my human male got it on with the drow priest Viconia, there was a couple days of akward dialouge among the entire party before she proclaimed it was time for her to leave. There went the best healer in the game... and the love of my young monk's life.

    8. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why Fallout 2 was the greatest game of all time- female characters COULD mack on other female characters :)

  2. Revist? So soon? by SSCGWLB · · Score: 1

    Revisit? I am playing it for the first time right now!! It is, however, a very good game. Got to love Minc and his critter.

    ~nate

    1. Re:Revist? So soon? by c0l0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The char's name is "Minsc", not "Minc". Always remember that. That, and to...
      "Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes!! AAAAARGH!!!"
       
      ;-)

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    2. Re:Revist? So soon? by RingDev · · Score: 1

      "We're all going to die, you know"

      God I hated that character.

      -Rick

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      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    3. Re:Revist? So soon? by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also remember:

      "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, watch it! I'm huge!"

      Minsc is the best CRPG character ever!

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      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    4. Re:Revist? So soon? by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      Minsc is no Jan Jansen.

    5. Re:Revist? So soon? by double-oh+three · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear Sir,

      I represent the Cult of the Miniature Giant Space Hamster, and we would like to correct your previous statement. You have misrendered the glorious mentor Minsc's famous quote, with which we end our prayer services. It is correctly rendered "Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes!! RRAAAAWRGH!!!"
       
      Thank You,
       
      Arca Heradel
      Level 20 Human Sorcerer/Thief
      Bhaalspawn
      "Slaying Black and Red Dragons since '98"

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    6. Re:Revist? So soon? by Voltageaav · · Score: 1

      Well, it's definately not the first time, I've had it and the expansion since they came out. But I love the game so much that when I recently cracked the play disc, the first thing I did was track down another one and buy it. I've beaten that game so many times, it never gets old.

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    7. Re:Revist? So soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We're all going to die, you know"

      I just started playing BG II for the first time also... I am soooo going to kill off that guy the first chance I get.

    8. Re:Revist? So soon? by anakin876 · · Score: 1

      Isn't it "Ruuuuuuusk!" that's what it always sounded like to me

    9. Re:Revist? So soon? by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      I think I've only played through the starter dungeon up until you end up in Baldur's Gate. :( I never even finished the first Baldur's Gate, but I got through to about chapter 5. Somehow the first seems a bit dated now with the low resolution and inability to hide the UI elements, but I'm afraid that I'm missing out if I just head to BG2 again, skipping the rest of BG1. What'd ya think?

    10. Re:Revist? So soon? by Zediker · · Score: 1

      Well, you dont need to have played BG1 to play BG2. Although, some of the character references and some allusions to previous adventures might come up during the plot, as well as explaining who exactly your character is. So while playing BG1 will make it easier to understand the plot, its not required playing.

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    11. Re:Revist? So soon? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat. I played it all the way up to Chapter 5. I had just flooded the mines and was heading to Baldur's Gate. Unfortunately, I now own a 1.67 GHz Powerbook, and when I try to play it, everything is so stretched that it looks awful, and the game plays at a million frames per second. My other option is to play it in a window, but that just seems wrong.

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    12. Re:Revist? So soon? by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you see... it just seems like such a waste of a good story. I wanted to finish BG1, but for some reason I burnt out I guess. And seeing as how BG2 starts where BG1 finishes (if I recall), it seems like a big spoiler and BG2 seems much more fun if you've finished BG1 (and you could import your chars if I remember right!).

    13. Re:Revist? So soon? by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      Yes, especially when BG2 looked so much nicer... to top it off, I also have Planescape: Torment still lying around and I never really played much into that, neither. :( Aaah, time...

    14. Re:Revist? So soon? by aafiske · · Score: 1

      Google for BG TUTU. It's a mod that allows you to play BGI in BGII's engine. Makes it much more bearable to go back and play! (I love BG and the story, but after the conveniences and beauty of the BGII engine ... it gets frustrating sometimes.)

    15. Re:Revist? So soon? by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      you don't miss much, from what i recall. BG1 doesn't have much of a story.

    16. Re:Revist? So soon? by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks!

    17. Re:Revist? So soon? by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      I thought it had. As far as I can remember, they had a professional writer for both games. I still haven't read the BG2 novel I bought back then, but I'm pretty sure there's a book released based around BG1 as well.

    18. Re:Revist? So soon? by kazilin · · Score: 1

      His critter?!?! Never underestimate the power of the miniature giant space hamster! Boo has a name, curse you, a name!! (And it's Minsc, too *shakes head*)

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      "Success isn't a result of a spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire." - Arnold H. Glasgow
  3. The Best. by Rapter09 · · Score: 1

    Hands-down the best RPG and RPG series ever created.

    1. Re:The Best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS2 version blows rocks.

    2. Re:The Best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever.

    3. Re:The Best. by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points for you. Its the only CRPG that I replayed from scratch multiple times. I also made sure I had a complete set of CDs, with a burned set of mod packs and patches, stored safely away for the future ... over time it will get harder and harder to play.

      Only thing that came close to Shadows of Amn was Planescape -- it too was genre bending.

      I think we've lost alot with the emphasis on 3d graphics. I miss the isometric view and artistic vision of the game designers.

      RIP Black Isle.

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      John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
  4. There will never be another BGII ... by arcite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Call me pathetic. But I have a standing game of BGII still on my hard drive and I haven't yet finished the game! I stopped somewhere around the first level of watchers keep. I just don't want this game to end! I have started and restarted different parties around 5 or 6 times over the last few years, but have yet to actually go the distance to finish it off once and for all. I guess some games can do that to you. Its like reading a good book. You know that you will have to finish it eventually...but all the while at the back of your mind you know that there will never be another book written like it ever again. :::sigh::: So long to the era of 2d isometric, hand drawn masterpieces of yore. I salute you!

    1. Re:There will never be another BGII ... by Kazzahdrane · · Score: 1

      From one fan to another, I recommend you finish the game. It sounds like you have ToB too so you'll get the real final ending (until someone decides to make a BG3 without any of the original team - rumours abound for the past couple of years that this is on the cards).

    2. Re:There will never be another BGII ... by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 2, Informative

      The original is just as good. I recently bought the Icewind Dale Collection too so when school finishes up in five weeks, I can start playing it. Plus I have KotOR 2 as well to play. And potentially Neverwinter Nights and those modules... I wish these other games had modules that could be played as well.

      I really wanted to go through and replay the game again but considering the time it took me, I don't know if I would be willing to. But at the same time, the game is so open-ended that you could almost play forever if you wanted to and just do all the side quests instead.

      I just wish that more RPGs like this would release soon. Bioware's Dragonage looks great but if they never release it, we may just make as much fun of it as we do DNF.

    3. Re:There will never be another BGII ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've finished the game... 4? times. Each time I've found an absolute ton more stuff to do. That each character class can get a different kind of keep (& has to solve different quests for that keep), that you can "get romantic" with different people, & that you're bound to have missed a bevy of mini-quests (& even not-so-mini-quests) all adds up to a whole ton of replay value.

    4. Re:There will never be another BGII ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, I think Planescape Torment was the best Infinity Engine game made by Bioware. Incredibly written game.

    5. Re:There will never be another BGII ... by Repton · · Score: 1
      PS:T was made by Black Isle...

      (no disagreement about Best CRPG Ever status, though)

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      Repton.
      They say that only an experienced wizard can do the tengu shuffle.
  5. Let's Not Forget Boo by Forgery · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Giant Space Hamster:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_space_hamster
    "Go for the eyes, Boo, go for the eyes!"

    1. Re:Let's Not Forget Boo by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I think it's Boo that got my son to create his first online alias, John Hamsta.

      Games that have a wee bit of humor are always just a bit better, I think.

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    2. Re:Let's Not Forget Boo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he was a miniature giant space hamster.

    3. Re:Let's Not Forget Boo by Ksisanth · · Score: 1

      Boo can also be added to the party for an amusing twist.

  6. Memorable Quotes by kahanamoku · · Score: 2, Funny

    Been a while, but I think the busty ladies in town used to say:

    "Hey sexy, would you like to take a look at my titties?!"

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    1. Re:Memorable Quotes by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      I think it was "take a look at me titties".

    2. Re:Memorable Quotes by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      if you enabled subtitles, it said
      "Hey there. Would you like to take a look at me diddies?"

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  7. Best combonation... by steveo777 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    EVER! Minsc, Boo (the Miniature Giant Space Hampster) and Lilicor (the talking sword). It never gets old listeng to their banter! Okay, Boo doesn't say much, but Lilicor's occational outburst never fails to bring a smile to my face.

    The romances were always kind of stange, though. The one with Jahiera was just wrong. Her husband died not 4 days before she starts macking on you (I know the patch fixed this, but still...). Aerie is too annoying to complete because she's got a consitent mindset of a 14 year old. Never got around to doing the one with the drow. (Now that I think of it, all the male romances were with elves...). I haven't played a female charecter, but I've listened to some of Anomen's rants and he complains about everything.

    I think the best part about BGII was the Infiniti Engine's, well, infinite ability for mods. There's a whole community devoted to modding it. So, now, there isn't any lack for content. I would, however, love another iteration. Good work Bioware!

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    1. Re:Best combonation... by mjblink · · Score: 1

      As a fellow old school gamer I have to say that this game was the absolute best RPG experience created. If I have to have "cred" to have a valid opinion, then my gaming resume certainly gives me more then enough. AD&D since 3rd grade, beat Dragon Warrior 2,3,4 (never finished 1 though), played and beat Ultima 2, 3, and 4. Phantasy Star III and IV. Played tabletop RPG from FASA and TSR and other. ANYWAY Of all the Video Game RPG's, this is clearly the best and ultimate experience. Ultima games are a joke in comparison. Never have any of the RPG's had spontaneous dialogue or character development beyond the main plot. There are so many non-combat or storyline occurances that give BG a step above the rest. BUT to go one steop further, those occurances actually enrich the main plot and story if you let them. You can replay the game with evil, good, or neutral and alter who and what you take with you. Name another that let's you do that, but make you really feel like it was happening. Most other RPG's, no matter how compelling the story, never get the tabletop experience like BG has.

  8. As to Aerie and the romances by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Aerie is too annoying to complete because she's got a consitent mindset of a 14 year old.

    you have to remember that the vast majority of players of the game were, either physically or emotionally, 14-16 year old males, so having a female with the mindset of a 14 year old is pretty well targetted at the user base.

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  9. meh... by Jurrasic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even though I am a huge old school RPG gamer (if you haven't won Ultima IV, you have no RPG cred with me)and player of AD&D from age 10, I really could not get into Baldur's gate (or BGII) in the slightest. The first time I loaded BG with high expectations, the first thing I see is that annoying 'hehe, it's me Emowyn!' girl giggling and following me around. I started to grate my teeth right then, she's the only fictional character I disliked on sight more then Jar Jar Binks and after she followed me again after the death of my mentor, I told her to piss off and stop following me and she called me a 'rum duke' so I killed her and deleted the game off my HD and never looked back.

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    1. Re:meh... by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you also throw away the Lord of the Rings books after the Tom Bombadil section?

      BG2 is like the LotR in that it has silly parts. But those parts in no way trivialize the epic nature of the story. You should try BG or BG2. Perhaps warm up by playing Planescape: Torment. If you like Planescape: Torment, then you will probably love BG and BG2.

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      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    2. Re:meh... by Jurrasic · · Score: 1

      Good point. Another factor as to why I never gave it another chance was probablly that I was into a huge EverCrack addiction at the time of Baldur's Gate, and everything else, including my own family, had a hard time competing for that time available away from EQ. From what I have heard from a LOT of people, I should really give Planescape Torment a go. Perhaps when Oblivion fever dies down, I will dig it up.

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    3. Re:meh... by balthan · · Score: 1

      I never really cared for BG1, either. But I think BG2 is perhaps the best RPG I've played.

    4. Re:meh... by VStrider · · Score: 4, Informative
      From what I have heard from a LOT of people, I should really give Planescape Torment a go.
      Add one more in that list of people. Planescape: Torment is the best RPG you can get on a pc. The BG series was very good, though not up to par with torment.

      The story is very original, the game is very well written. It seems they had DMs on the design team.
      You get quests, not your typical fedex quests(you know, go fetch this and bring it back then take this to this guy etc), but quests where you'll need to think. It's not like BG, you don't have to finish all quests to continue, and some you never will. Some quests you won't discover at all. The ones you'll solve, some you'll solve them right away and some after a long time. You can pick up any items you'll find, some of them might have something to do with a future quest or they might be totally useless. But you cann't carry everything with you. And you cann't be certain which items are useful. Sometimes, even garbage might be of some use.

      You don't choose an alignment for your character, it chooses you. (soviet russia comes to mind) Depending how you play your alignment will form accordingly.

      I could tell you alot more but I'll let you see the game yourself. As you probably realised, this isn't for gamers but for D&D players. ie. if you expect and demand to open every door, solve everything, collect everything and see everything there is to see, then you might be dissapointed. If on the other hand you are a D&D player and you've been dissapointed before by the rest of hack'n'slash mighty magic pseudoRPGs, then you're in for a treat with this one.

      I've talked in the past with friends who finished torment and each one's gameplay and experiences was totally different.
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      VStrider.
    5. Re:meh... by 2008 · · Score: 1

      Why'd you stop? The game LETS you be an evil friend-murderer. You'll meet up with chaotic henchmen and get have fun killing town guards and priests and robbing the shops.

      Sadly, the overall quest is still "kill some evil guy", which doesn't make sense: I'd rather work for him. But still, it's well suited to allowing you a life of banditry and crime.

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      I quit!
    6. Re:meh... by Dehumanizer · · Score: 1

      Work for him? NEVER! Either he works for YOU, or he has to die. Simple as that. :)

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    7. Re:meh... by 2008 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ha, that would be a cool thing for an evil character to aim for - scorched Earth, no living things left in the entire game.

      I think a lot of the enemies respawn though :(

      Maybe there should be a mod to prevent enemies spawning more than once and track how many kills to go? Something like in Doom where it would give you "25 of 37" enemies but with "1124 of 30095".

      And of course you can't get past 99.997% and win without suiciding...

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      I quit!
    8. Re:meh... by Rib+Feast · · Score: 1

      I'd have to completely agree, Planescape is without a doubt a benchmark in what an RPG should be. Too often are they made where a generic story and engine is designed, and you feel like you are playing a game engine with scripted elements and a check-box path through it.

      Planescape dealt with characters and situations brilliantly, and the unique alignment and reversal of death's meaning added a true feeling that there was no path defined for you to follow.

    9. Re:meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you also throw away the Lord of the Rings books after the Tom Bombadil section?

      No way. Tom Bombadil is da bomb... badillo.

    10. Re:meh... by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      That's too bad. She actually developed quite well. She gets kidnapped, and comes back a little less chipper. Eventually she becomes quite powerfull, as does everyone. Being as you are an "old school RPG player" I'm surprised you found the situation as troublesome and lost hope for the entire game.

      Anyway, to each their own.

    11. Re:meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's talking about BG 1. Imoen was more annoying then.

  10. Baldur's Gate & Multi-CD Drives... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remembered when Baldur's Gate came out with 5 or 6 CDs. It was a pain to be switching CDs every so often unless you had one of those multi-CD CDROM drives where you could load all the CDs into a magazine and the transition time between CDs was minimal. That was the hottest toy to get if you were playing that game. I was working at Accolade (which eventually became Atari) at the time. Most of the QA testers would stay until the early morning hours playing that game together. The game was eventually banned from the lab since too many zombies were living on three hours of sleep.

    1. Re:Baldur's Gate & Multi-CD Drives... by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Having misplaced my original copy, I just bought a replacement. The best change in the final version is that they found a way to compress it down to 3 disks, and even those can be cached on your hard drive if you have the room.

      The worst change is that the manual is now available only on PDF. And the current distributor doesn't even bother to tell you where to look for it!

    2. Re:Baldur's Gate & Multi-CD Drives... by rvalles · · Score: 1

      Got the DVD version here... so it's just the DVD + a CD (the expansion).

    3. Re:Baldur's Gate & Multi-CD Drives... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      And I need this because....

  11. Wrong Universe? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Most of the familiar characters returned from the first game, including Imoen, a somewhat naïve fellow orphan and fledgling mage/thief...
    When I play BG as an evil person, the first thing I always do is murder Imoen (irritating little twerp) and take that magic rose of hers.
    ...Jaheira, a druid harper who was obsessed with keeping your character on a path balanced between good and evil...
    Again, if you're playing as an evil character, it doesn't make sense to go looking for Jaheira — just head on south with those two crazy dudes. Which is another reason to dispense with Imoen — you don't need two thieves.
    ... and the fan favorite Minsc, an eccentric ranger who kept his pet, Boo, a miniature "giant space hamster," on his person at all times.
    Oops! Last time I met Minsc, I had to kill him, even though my character was a goodie-goodie. I was rude to his hamster, and he attacked me!
  12. BG2 was great but.. by Reapman · · Score: 1

    I guess I just suck but the end fight for ToB is FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE. By the time I get to the end I've used up all my spells and practically get one shotted. It's been over a year since I've fired it up to get owned again but good grief that's a nasty fight. Myeh, maybe I should just give in, reinstall, and use Gamefaqs.com

    1. Re:BG2 was great but.. by NATIK · · Score: 1

      I gave up at the brown dragon in ToB, cant remember where exactly, but I never found out how to kill it, it seemed immune to everything but my highest rank cleric and mage spells and I didnt have enough of those to kill it. Never was good at killing Dragons though, all my other dragon kills consisted of throwing Cloudkill and hiding ^^.

    2. Re:BG2 was great but.. by cbuskirk · · Score: 1

      traps all about traps

    3. Re:BG2 was great but.. by ArkonChakravanti · · Score: 1

      If you want to be cheezy, yeah, it's traps, but then why not just look up the cheeze guide some guy wrote for BG...
      The way to win any bg fight is to get rid of all protective spells with your mage and then whack it with all your fighters, worked for me every time, and I've finished ToB more than I care to remember, back in those days I wanted to play every possible character and every allignment...
      Of course I was in school and had no job pressure or anything...
      In fact I gave Arcanum the same treatment...
      And Diablo 1 and 2 and...
      Aaah, memories...

    4. Re:BG2 was great but.. by aurum42 · · Score: 1

      It's somewhat challenging, but doable...your characters should all have godlike abilities at that point. The easiest way would be to (ab)use the mage spell Project Image (and perhaps Simulacrum as well) and go on a rampage with multiple calls to Dragon's Breath, Comet, Timestop, Summon Planetar etc.Be sure to cover your mages with your fighters (who should all have Greater Whirlwind and +5 weapons, to make sashimi of those pesky monsters that you face). Also highly recommend the elemental summons and so on, and the instant heals from the rod of resurrection.

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    5. Re:BG2 was great but.. by BenjyD · · Score: 0

      That was one of my main tactics too: cloudkill and one of the spells like web.

    6. Re:BG2 was great but.. by Reapman · · Score: 1

      Damnit! Thanks to you guys I think I really will reinstall BG2 this weekend... Just when I thought I was "clean"

    7. Re:BG2 was great but.. by Sheetwakahn · · Score: 1

      I thought this was an awesome ending as you had to use all of your skills and gear to the maximum, after getting thrashed mercilessly several times I went back through several different areas selling evey non-essential item and maxing all my characters out on scrolls, potions and gear. With everything set I beat it on my first try, challenging but satisfyng. To me BG2 was the ultimate RPG and ToB was an indulgent present for those who toughed it through. That final battle, insane!

    8. Re:BG2 was great but.. by Reapman · · Score: 1

      Well, all this talk has made me want to play again, so I reinstalled BG2 ToB, refound my old save games loaded it up... and was totally lost haha. So now I'm replaying through IWD to relearn everything, then either finish off my game or restart from scratch, going all the way back through BG1. Nastalga can sure be time consuming sometimes!!

  13. the day will come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    got my son to create his first online alias, John Hamsta

    ... , perhaps, when your son looks across the kitchen table and says, "Dad, I'm not gonna do hamster style anymore."

    1. Re:the day will come... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      well, yes, but so long as he doesn't hang out with people from Utah, I think he'll be ok.

      did I mention I taught him to make sushi?

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      -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  14. Tom Bombadil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Did you also throw away the Lord of the Rings books after the Tom Bombadil section?

    No, but I walked out of the movie when it became apparent that Tom wasn't in it. Tom Bombadil is the prevailing mystery in Tolkien's work. An enigma. To leave him out of the movie. A disgrace.

    1. Re:Tom Bombadil by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Or just totally pointless in the context of a movie, people would ask, who and what the fuck is the point of this guy.

    2. Re:Tom Bombadil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cough*BULLSHIT*cough. You did not realize this halfway through and walk out. It's FUCKING OBVIOUS that there's no way any mortal being could fit Tom Bombadil into a 3ish hour movie and have room left for the actual main plot.

  15. where's more? by sdibb · · Score: 1

    I'm sure lots of people are asking the same question, and I'm asking it too. Where are more games that are based on this engine? Are we ever going to see any?

    Just like the original SSI gold-box engine spawned a lot of cool games, so should BG2.

    1. Re:where's more? by handslikesnakes · · Score: 1

      Planescape: Torment, of course. Considering how old the engine is, don't hold your breath (unless they open-source it, of course).

    2. Re:where's more? by meringuoid · · Score: 1

      Off the top of my head, two Icewind Dale games, and Planescape: Torment. Planescape was the best RPG I ever played - GET IT! GET IT NOW! - but I've never got hold of Icewind Dale to try it.

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      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
  16. one of my favorite games! by j1mmy · · Score: 1

    I played through as a monk, and it got ridiculously easy later on. I barely needed my other party members. Other than that, great stuff. The guy who did the voice for the main baddie (I forget the character's name) was fantastic -- probably the best voice work I've heard in any game.

    1. Re:one of my favorite games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curious, I almost played as a monk (this is my first time playing the last 2 months or so). Instead, I went with a Gnome Cleric/Illusionist... and it's getting pretty tuff down in Underdark with some pretty good attributes for the class. Freakin Mind Flayers! Anybody got tips on how to beat Mind Flayers? I can't seem to do anything to stop the Psionic Blasts. The gnome is fine usually, but everyone else is near vulnerable, especially Jaheira (she's lvl 14).

    2. Re:one of my favorite games! by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      That guy who did the voice is an english actor known as David Warner, he played President Gorkon in Star Trek 6. I agree as well on his acting capabilities. his Imdb profile is here.

      http://imdb.com/name/nm0001831/

    3. Re:one of my favorite games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chaotic commands, summon undead, and invisible stalker are helpful.

    4. Re:one of my favorite games! by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
      Anybody got tips on how to beat Mind Flayers? I can't seem to do anything to stop the Psionic Blasts. The gnome is fine usually, but everyone else is near vulnerable, especially Jaheira (she's lvl 14).

      Summon stuff. You've got Jaheira with you? IIRC, Fire Elementals made short work of most of those illithid nests..

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      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
  17. Actually... by meringuoid · · Score: 1
    And of course you can't get past 99.997% and win without suiciding...

    Fill me in here. You're playing Baldur's Gate. You mean to kill every living thing on the map. And then yourself.

    Well, given the backstory, and your own... unusual background, the murder of so many followed by ritual self-immolation might well produce a win condition. Bhaal would certainly have approved!

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    Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
  18. Best Quotes by alexgieg · · Score: 2, Funny

    "No one crosses the Shadow Thieves... and LIVES!!!"

    "Silence, dog! Your only purpose is to die by MY hand!"

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    Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
    1. Re:Best Quotes by Robotron23 · · Score: 1

      "Silence! Let the fool make his judgment." ....hmm....

      "Let me have a little taste..."