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Free Net TV Threatens Telecoms

An anonymous reader writes "C|Net's running an article about the threat free television on the internet poses to traditional telecoms and cable companies." From the article: "No one is expecting Internet television to cannibalize traditional TV models overnight. Despite advancements in streaming technology, video delivered on the Web can still be choppy, with frequent interruptions as data packets buffer and reload on the screen. In fact many viewers who watched the NCAA tournament aired by CBS on the Internet last month complained about the network being overloaded."

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  1. Same Old FUD by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Media barons come to power over the decades since that particular media's inception into society.

    A new technology comes along that threatens their iron grip on said media's distribution.

    The archaic dinosaurs do not know what to do so they spread FUD everywhere and turn to the law and lobbying for protection of their source of infinite wealth. They refuse to change to their environment and instead force the environment to change to them--a fatalistic attitude that hinders innovation and growth among other things.

    After all the dust settles, the end consumer (99.9% of the populace) is the one that misses out on what might have been.

    This story could be applied all the way back to printed text that was held from the commoners and slaves to hinder knowledge and understanding.

    It happened with music. It happened with videos. It's happening with television. And it will happen with everything because the people running the industries refuse to lose their power or adapt their production methods.
    "The times, they are a changing." - Bob Dylan
    How about we wake up and change the headline from
    Free Net TV Threatens Telecoms
    to
    Free Net TV to Replace Telecoms
    or
    Community Welcomes New Distribution Method of Telecoms
    We're eating out of the hands of a few select companies and with television over the internet, the fact is that we might not have to.
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    1. Re:Same Old FUD by dsginter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A new technology comes along that threatens their iron grip on said media's distribution.

      I'm pretty sure that most of them realize that DRM is the Dark Horse in this situation. With DRM, then can add IP distribution to their cable boxes and DVD players in order to distribute their content in high-quality *before* it is slated to be viewed. That is, they can buffer the content while you sleep and work. It will be ready for you to watch when *they* want you to watch it - all on their terms.

      IMHO, DRM is going to be bitter sweet for the OSS community. Nobody seems to want it, yet, without it, there is no incentive for "the little guy" to make any real content. Sure, a few Honest Joes will pony up the cash for their content, but, in my experience, the rest of them will simply steal it.

      If OSS would consider DRM, then we could come up with a grass roots effort to displace Big Media (e.g. - pay the Little Guy for good content). The thing is, the sheer size of the viewership would make content *nearly* free (e.g. - 30 million viewers pay you 10 cents per episode and you are rich).

      The knife cuts both ways but we need to be pragmatic.

      OSS+DRM+cheap hardware & grassroots distribution and support = end of Big Business

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    2. Re:Same Old FUD by hazee · · Score: 1

      They refuse to change to their environment and instead force the environment to change to them--a fatalistic attitude that hinders innovation and growth among other things.

      George Bernard Shaw might disagree with you:

      "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

      Besides, what on earth are you talking about? Internet TV is shit at the moment compared to traditional broadcast methods, at least for live TV. The old BUFFERING...99% line is a standard joke on /. and has been for a long time.

      If anything, you're the one spreading FUD. It may well be that we all end up watching TV via the net, but the barrier to that happening is some very serious technical issues, not "archaic dinosaurs".

    3. Re:Same Old FUD by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Yes, but there are unreasanable people who want to offer new tech, and unreasonable people who want to hinder technology, and reasonable people who really don't care and just want their media.

    4. Re:Same Old FUD by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      http://www.animemusicvideos.org/ is real enough for me, though it does borrow heavily from other sources. http://www.amvhell.com/ is especially good. What we need are laws that will make it easier for this sort of thing. Also see: http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies
      Seems to me that there are enough "little men" with (almost) all the incentive they need.

    5. Re:Same Old FUD by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or more simply,

      "New technology threatens now-obsolete business models."

      This has been happening since the Industrial Revolution. The big difference is that now the old dinosaurs have enough sway in Congress that they can throw a wrench in the machine of the free market in order to sustain their existence without having to adapt to the new realities of the market.

      Companies whose existence rely on a 19th century means of distribution, which include all the media companies (books, newspapers, magazines, music, movies, even software), are being made obsolete. This will soon transform the music industry in a hugely positive way by allowing a more democratic method of distribution ("Down with Clear Channel!") which I think will revitalize a stale and non-innovate industry. Other media will follow.

      Right now you and your buddies playing music in a garage can, with a small investment of a few hundred dollars or so, record, master and produce music for sale. What happens when the same will be true for video... on-demand video... the blogosphere revolution hits television(?) This is asteroid hurtling towards the prehistoric-Earth of the media dinosaurs and they are scared stiff, because for the first time in decades, they will be forced to compete, innovate and adapt.

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    6. Re:Same Old FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the bandwidth just isn't there for live TV broadcasts... yet. But if you don't mind time-shifted TV, then the 'net is a great source for TV.

    7. Re:Same Old FUD by IndieYuppy · · Score: 1

      I could not agree with your points more! I welcome this new trend with open arms. I know I've made reference to these guys before, but I LOVE what they're trying to do - www.endlesseurope.com . I feel like these guys 'get it'. Their launching a travel reality show that encourages user-interaction from day one. They're sending two backpackers to Europe for the summer, giving them three daily challenges, and encouraging them to party it up. Anyone can apply, post questions for the applicants, suggest challenges, destinations, or music for the soundtrack. When the episodes are released in September they'll be free of charge and available to stream online, watch on mobile phones, or download to computers, iPods, or PSPs. Finally a company that is actually going to acknowledge that OUR opinions count. iY

    8. Re:Same Old FUD by arh9623 · · Score: 1

      Check out the live IPTV station I work at. disclamer I am in creative, not tech. http://www.maniatv.com/

    9. Re:Same Old FUD by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

      "...without it, there is no incentive for "the little guy" to make any real content. Sure, a few Honest Joes will pony up the cash for their content, but, in my experience, the rest of them will simply steal it."

      One thing, I think, that your comment doesn't take into account is the artificial price of "content". Huge media enterprises have enormous layers of management and staff in addition to tons of equipment and property. On the other hand, "little guys" can make extremely popular and enjoyable programs with as little as 2 people and a hand-held video camera. So, if the little guy can make money off the Honest Joes driven to his site by the enormous popularity of his "content" as a result of viral "sharing", he's ahead of the game.

      And way ahead of the huge conglomerates who absolutely have to register audiences in the hundreds of thousands to break even.

      Another way to put it is - There's no actual reason why Sylvestor Stallone should pocket $40M for his part in a so-so movie. That's artificial compensation based upon the fact that in the past, only big-buck investors could afford to produce and distribute films. You get a group of 20 people and each is willing to make $20k for a venture that will take a month to produce, and you have the biggest "submarine" threat that the legacy content providers face.

      One more factor is the constantly dropping price of sophisticated recording and production equipment - it levels the playing field so that the "art" of a production (writing, acting, editing) is more important than the glitz (special effects, promotion).

      MjM

    10. Re:Same Old FUD by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Right now you and your buddies playing music in a garage can, with a small investment of a few hundred dollars or so, record, master and produce music for sale. What happens when the same will be true for video...
      What has happened to the recording industry? Not much, that I can tell. Almost all popular bands are still owned by Big Music. The industry does seem to be in decline (or just a slump, who can tell?) but it doesn't seem to be due to the proliferation of recording technology.
    11. Re:Same Old FUD by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      What I'm trying to say is that the recording industry as in "big music labels" are becoming more and more obsolete. The _only_ thing that they can give that you can't do yourself for a modest sum, is exposure... and unless you are a cog in the industrial bilge machine that is big music, you won't get that anyway... and even if you do, you sign away 99.9% of your chance to personally end up in the black.

      As big music continues to increasingly homogenize itself, independent labels, and even independent artists, are, and will continue, becoming more and more relevant as a means to create, promote and distribute music and actually have a chance of making a living out of it.

      Everyone complains on /., when the topic comes up, how they are sick of buying a CD full of crap just to get one song. Of the thousand or so CDs that I have, that's happened to me maybe once. I buy a ton of music and except for one label (Inside/Out) primarily, most of it comes from non-RIAA members, and NONE of it ever gets any airplay aside from the rapidly diminishing esoteric channels on satellite. While most people complain of the dearth of good new music to buy, and sales are down, I find more new stuff than I can afford on a comfortable software developer's salary. Thanks to places like Kinesis, The End Records, and a ton of other places, I can't swing a dead cat without finding something new and fascinating to sample... and the vast majority of what I choose to buy ends up being really good stuff (even if I don't like it, which happens occasionally).

      To me, the music industry is better than ever. How about you?

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    12. Re:Same Old FUD by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Umn, how can you have a system for DRM that can *possibly* be secure (IE unable to work around) while having the source open..? I'm against DRM as a general rule, but even *IF* the OSS community wanted it, once the implimentation is OpenSource, then so is the means to hack around it, and remove it's restrictions.

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    13. Re:Same Old FUD by DaFury · · Score: 1

      IMHO, DRM is going to be bitter sweet for the OSS community. Nobody seems to want it, yet, without it, there is no incentive for "the little guy" to make any real content. Sure, a few Honest Joes will pony up the cash for their content, but, in my experience, the rest of them will simply steal it.

      If OSS would consider DRM, then we could come up with a grass roots effort to displace Big Media (e.g. - pay the Little Guy for good content). The thing is, the sheer size of the viewership would make content *nearly* free (e.g. - 30 million viewers pay you 10 cents per episode and you are rich).IMHO, DRM is going to be bitter sweet for the OSS community. Nobody seems to want it, yet, without it, there is no incentive for "the little guy" to make any real content. Sure, a few Honest Joes will pony up the cash for their content, but, in my experience, the rest of them will simply steal it.


      I think you're missing the hugely important roll that a society plays in generating its own content on a level which allows and even encourages more creativity. Intellectual property laws are like a behemoth whose strong protection of copyrighted material serves to scare and dissuade the masses from making anything poinient or unique. I could drone on for hours about the impotence of current films and the disgustingly detrimental 'art' that is distributed via standard television (ever consider how beneficial/harmful the values of beauty, commercialism and greed are to society today?). The point that myself and Law professor Lawrance Lessig make, among others, is not that artists shouldn't be compnsated for the works they create (which was how copyright was originally designed) but that the balance of copyright is now so lopsided that many amazing, beautiful, pointed and appropriate works will never be created in a society where IP is something you can detain for nearly a century (why can't I see Mickey mouse without paying for it yet?).

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  2. Why would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    Web can still be choppy, with frequent interruptions as data packets buffer and reload on the screen.


    Why would I want to get that for free, when I already pay for it from Comcast?

    1. Re:Why would by itchy92 · · Score: 1

      Dude, you should switch to Dish Network, they offer that as well as service outages when it rains.

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  3. ObNitpick by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Walt Disney's bold move to let people download TV shows for free could spell trouble for cable and satellite providers

    If I understand correctly (which has been known to happen occasionally) shows will just be offered as a stream, not readily downloadable. My guess is they'll also use an .swf wrapper like youtube/Google video/etc. to guard against easy ripping.

    1. Re:ObNitpick by babbling · · Score: 1

      I wonder what exactly is going through their minds when they decide to let people stream a show as much as they want, but not download it. It's almost as though they think that they can make money simply by inconveniencing their users.

    2. Re:ObNitpick by Gr33nNight · · Score: 4, Informative

      If thats the case then use this: http://feelingtea.com/decode/google/index.php It is a fM Google, Youtube & Ifilm Video Downloader (from the site), and it works great.

    3. Re:ObNitpick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My guess is they'll also use an .swf wrapper [...] to guard against [...]

      I refuse executable binaries or proprietry media formats, so the household will not be subjected to occasional "mainstream media moments" for much longer. Thank god!

    4. Re:ObNitpick by adam.dorsey · · Score: 1

      Look at the source code for a Youtube/Google Video page. You can find the URL to the movie being played.

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  4. What the television providers should be doing by babbling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The guy presenting this lecture has the right idea.

    In short, he thinks small icon advertisements (eg. "drink coke") should be put in the corner of a TV show, and then the TV show should be freely distributed on bittorrent. Everyone wins.

    1. Re:What the television providers should be doing by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      It's not a bad idea, but TV ripping groups already blur out network icons in their offerings. Some people would still download the ad-blocked version just out of spite.

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    2. Re:What the television providers should be doing by MrAndrews · · Score: 1

      Do you think they would, though? A better-quality version that pre-dates the rest of them, and the only difference is a watermarked Coke logo in the corner... I'd say the majority of folks would grab THAT torrent rather than the one that appeared an hour later. Ripping groups work more on the basis of serving the masses... my guess is they'd just drop that particular show from their "to do" list once they lost the edge. Exactly how inconvenienced are you willing to be to avoid ads?

    3. Re:What the television providers should be doing by vorpal22 · · Score: 0

      I only wish that they would do something like this. Then people like me who hate ads could invest in ad blocking consisting of a piece of cardboard and some masking tape, and those that don't mind being marketed to could opt to watch the ads. Everyone wins.

    4. Re:What the television providers should be doing by smoker2 · · Score: 1
      In short, he thinks small icon advertisements (eg. "drink coke") should be put in the corner of a TV show, and then the TV show should be freely distributed on bittorrent.
      That all sounds fine, until you realise that the screen will end up like the "Million Dollar Homepage".

      They don't know when to stop, do they ?

    5. Re:What the television providers should be doing by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Informative

      In short, he thinks small icon advertisements (eg. "drink coke") should be put in the corner of a TV show, and then the TV show should be freely distributed on bittorrent. Everyone wins.

      I'm also a fan of product placement, so long as its done tastefully. Products are a part of our culture, we use them all the time. Its unlikely that a billionaire business tycoon on TV would drive a 1976 Pinto. Why not have Ferarri or some high end/high dollar car manufacturer compete for having this new billionaire business tycoon drive one of their products instead of the Pinto?

      Probably the most successful product placement campaign in history was by the De Beers diamond cartel. In a few decades they were able to convince much of the world that their rocks were always something involved with love and marriage, especially those failed Hollywood marriages, and you too should participate and give them money in the name of love.

      http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features /diamonds/mystique1.html
      http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/thismonth/artic le.jsp?cid=90486&mainArticleId=118128
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeers#Marketing

      Despite the complete marketing con and manipulation by De Beers, it does not really bother me because it was tastefully done. Diamonds are a girl's best friend is a cute song, and metaphorically it sums up a majority of Eastern European derived women.

      Life is better when you have a child's understanding of the world. Beyond that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

    6. Re:What the television providers should be doing by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      In short, he thinks small icon advertisements (eg. "drink coke") should be put in the corner of a TV show, and then the TV show should be freely distributed on bittorrent. Everyone wins.

      Another thing. The small icon advertisement thing is used all the time during sporting events. Endorsements for clothing, equipment, and other goods and services are displayed via green-screen type overlays, billboards, on-screen overlays, and to boot they still have dedicated commercials.

      A success story with marketing this way is Nike in the penetration of sports equipment and clothes. Riddell used to be the dominant helmet used by football players, but Nike has taken that market over. Nike used to have almost no presence in the soccer or football (confusion for you europeans :) market. Now they are a very dominant product in those sports.

      So, even with product placements, overlay icon advertisements or whatnot, I still see dedicated advertising for years to come. What would the Superbowl be without advertisements? It would merely seem to be just another football game.

    7. Re:What the television providers should be doing by asuffield · · Score: 1

      I already want to kill him, but what I would actually do is to write a plugin for xine that identifies these adverts and blanks them out (assuming somebody else didn't beat me to it).

      I don't look at adverts on slashdot, why should I look at them on TV? (Ignoring for the moment the minor point that I don't watch TV)

      People need to find a better business model than adverts. And they definitely need to find a better model than charging you for the service and STILL having adverts. The BBC has been proving that there's a better way for decades.

  5. Progress by mcai8rw2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As telecoms develops, any and all 'archaeic technologies' will eventually be replaced. This includes T.V. in its current form.

    This will not happen for a long time though, not until the connection speeds and data compression/quality manage to provide an equal to what is currently available.

    We can see slight shifts of emphasis now [in the U.K.] with legislation going about switching OFF analogue signals [soon-ish]. This leave just the digital environment. And as more and more of our entertainment goods goes to digital, we will find that the distinction between 'Telly' and 'computer' and 'phone' and 'dvd player'will dissolve till we have the grail of home medai management.

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    1. Re:Progress by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Yet in the UK digital TV is allocated its own spectrum of frequencies -- a great waste of bandwidth that is by no means a la carte, it is prepackaged.

      The key isn't just dumping analog, it is dumping mega-watt transmission frequency regulation. We don't need mega bandwidth or mega compression when you already have a ton of frequencies barely used. XVID and other compression codecs are just fine (its about 300 meg for 24 minutes, right?), and neighborhood mini-distributors can have torrents ready for near-instant download to a small locale. Instead of 50,000 watts x all that wasted frequency range, we could focus better with 500 watt caps or even lower ones. I'd rather see real de-regulation entirely, but this step would likely give us way more choice and open the door for many more content creators to enter the market.

      Beyond that, there is a LOT of analog structure still regulated but not needed. I believe there are still cell phone frequencies kept for the previous standards, but I could be wrong.

    2. Re:Progress by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      ...but this step would likely give us way more choice and open the door for many more content creators to enter the market.

      And that is the reason why the regulations exist to begin with. They don't want just any old subversive to have access to a broadcast medium. The propaganda machine cannot function without these regulations in place. Further subjugation would not be possible if alternative sources of information are available. This why there is such a mad scramble to control the net.

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    3. Re:Progress by drsquare · · Score: 1

      And as more and more of our entertainment goods goes to digital, we will find that the distinction between 'Telly' and 'computer' and 'phone' and 'dvd player'will dissolve till we have the grail of home medai management.

      So the grail is a TV that takes ages to turn on, needs drivers/software installing, needs endless configuration, crashes all the time and is crippled when someone is saturating the internet connection?

      But then maybe I'm a Luddite, I don't even see the point in digital TV: you get obscure channels with no sound or no picture, with nothing worth watching on anyway. The picture freezes up, it takes ten times longer to change the channel, you can't get teletext and if you even touch your normal remote the whole thing goes wrong.

      Not all technology is a good idea just because it's new (i.e. ebooks).

    4. Re:Progress by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Can you say 'tinfoil hat'?

    5. Re:Progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish you people would stop advocating the further destruction of broadcast quality standards.

      Our analog cable quality has gone downhill as the lines age and more channels are stuffed into the signal. Digital cable is frankly an eyesore with very visible artifacts on top of a 5 second delay in flipping channels. Satellite has better picture but it's prone to fits of not working if it's raining or windy or Tuesday. We've fought past the days when RealVideo level compression was necesary and we're almost to where a decent resultion can be carried over the internet....and you want to compress everything to 300MB of DivX or Xvid?

      Are you insane? Why can't we just have lossless video already? I'm sick and tired of people like you foisting MPG4 onto TV services and WMV onto DVD players. All I want is a clean signal, damnit, something the 60+ year old NTSC standard accomodates very well once idiotic bean counters and corner cutters get the hell out of the way!

    6. Re:Progress by mcai8rw2 · · Score: 1

      I entirely agree with you. I can see the inaccuracy in my post... Like many things...ebooks, 3G Video Phones, et al...the time it takes for the 'new' technology to change into 'widely used, simple, swift efficient technology' is Huuuge, as there is the inevitable period inbetween when the technology itself is ironing out kinks, and societies infrastructure [phone lines, consumer acceptance etc] WON'T handle it. Which gets us into a whole new debate about launching products/tech too soon. >_ I DO believe that the holy grail of media entertainment is an 'allinone' solution, that it WILL arrive. And that will spell the end of the telly that WE are used to. I think that is a 'given' acceptance eventually. The question is maybe..."how ready are consumers to put up with the rocky period inbetween it being new, and it being grrreat"

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    7. Re:Progress by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      'tinfoil hat' Now with that out of the way, what does that have to do with the price of rice? Do you actually believe that these rules are for our benefit?

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  6. Internet video by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

    As a slashdotter who is stuck on dial up due to my unfortunate location, I think I'll be sticking to older forms of TV for a while. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by internet video or why its so popular, so far it only seems to "buffer" and slow my blazing fast 56k connection...

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    1. Re:Internet video by Kangburra · · Score: 1
      As a slashdotter who is stuck on dial up due to my unfortunate location


      Oh, so you're in Australia too?

      Seriously over here there's a lot of people still on Dial-up. Satellite has just had a big push but here in WA the funds ran out way too early.

      Even things like Windows updates can't be done without planning to leave the computer on overnight.
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    2. Re:Internet video by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm stuck in the middle of a rather populated area in PA, USA. Cable comes from NJ and is too far, and I'm a stone's throw out of reach of DSL, mostly due to their incompitence, I think.

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    3. Re:Internet video by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      I set up a friend's network who was literally across the street from dsl using a cooperative neighbor, the "free" wlan router included with the neighbor's dsl, and a $20 wireless card.

      It's worked great for 3 years now, both people pay 1/2 and think it's great.

      Your neighbor might not want you to saturate the bandwidth with internet video, but some dsl is quite snappy these days.

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    4. Re:Internet video by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

      I'm probably not quite close enough to do that, plus there are trees and things in the way.

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    5. Re:Internet video by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Well it sounds like you might have it soon. I've heard of rural people who will probably not have affordable highspeed options anytime soon who have built wireless links miles long. Heck, the record for unamplified is over 100 miles. You need directional antennae for this though.

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    6. Re:Internet video by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

      Wooohooo, what is wireless internet without propigation delay?

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    7. Re:Internet video by Vassgao · · Score: 1

      Well, I hope you move soon :) The U.S is canceling all of it's analog TV broadcasts by 2008. Everything is going to be purely digital, baby! yeah! About time I get more than 10HD channels. Ugh... :)

  7. Us geeks already know the future .. by Entropy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so why can't it get here already??

    ONE pipe to each home. Pure fiber. Multi gigabit standard.

    All data to and from the home, be it voice, audio, video, text, &c &c &c flow through that pipe.

    Airwaves free to use for mobile applications.

    GUH! Why can't the future just be here?
    [/rant]

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    1. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll get blasted for this and called a troll, but my real opinion is that the distribution cartels (phone companies, cable companies and TV companies) don't want it to happen. They've controlled the system for too long, and they're fearful (rightfully so) of losing out to the smaller direct-caster. Broadcast (ie, not a la carte) is dying.

      The best way to let things progress is to stop holding to the old norms (regulations). Look at all the bandwidth set aside fo television and radio at 50,000 watts per frequency range. All that lovely bandwidth could be better prioritized with lower transmission power and WiFi or something similar. Even cell phone companies hold way too much bandwidth for the type of transmission used, it is crazy that EDGE/3G/whatever isn't even faster than it is today.

      I truly believe we'd see much more technology growth if we didn't hold to standards created 20, 30, 50 years ago. UHF and VHF should be dead, and HDTV along with it. If people want HD broadcasts, they could be better suited to a faster more localized version of the torrent protocol -- maybe set up by a few re-distro companies, maybe by amateurs, let competition bring it about.

      As for paying for it, I believe 5 second spots work just as well as 30 and 60 second spots. The rare times I watch public programming, I actually hear "brought to you by the McDonalds corporation" better than I hear a 30 or 60 second McD's spot.

    2. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by kemichail · · Score: 1

      "the distribution cartels (phone companies, cable companies and TV companies) don't want it to happen" There is sooooooo much tech that would benefit consumers if government wasn't overly protective of entrenched buisness interests. It doesn't just apply to DRM and he media cartels either, i see it in so many facets of life in general. A simple example would be alternative fuels. The existing energy cartels want to be the ones providing the impetus for change, and quite simply, had the government which supposedly represents the populace in genera; provided some real incentives and subsidies we'd have moved into a far more fuel efficient modus operandi a decade ago. Yet big buisness lobbies and purchases interests in government and keeps this from happening to the dteriment of the consumer. I remember trying lots of similar situations where start-ups (not internet startups or tech companies) with better models and products were crushed by entrenched interests committed to the status quo, and only willing to move to new equipment or models slowly, all the while maintaining their stranglehold on the current status quo, it's no different with media companies, but overall it hurts the consumer. Nimble companies able to adapt should reap the rewards of that capability instead of being shot down by existing cartels, just like it works in evolution :)

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    3. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by dada21 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't just apply to DRM and he media cartels either, i see it in so many facets of life in general.

      Actually, I'm not against DRM, I am just against laws that protect and require DRM. I think in a more-free market, DRM might have some realistic functions, but I believe competition would make DRM worthless since people would generally prefer the uncluttered media rather than the cluttered ones.

      provided some real incentives and subsidies we'd have moved into a far more fuel efficient modus operandi a decade ago.

      I don't think any subsidies are needed -- the best incentive is to be the one to replace gas. I don't believe in Peak Oil, but I do believe that oil is only powerful because of the subsidies and protectionism that exists. What amazes me is that people don't see that oil is controlled fully by governments, not corporations. When corporations (unregulated by unsubsidied) have access to commodities, the price usually falls, not increases. I believe ExxonMobil would do a better job bringing fuel to the surface and distributing it than Iran or Saudi or the US does. With bureaucracy comes a 50-100% penalty in price and performance. Deregulating fuel would be a huge step in the right direction.

      (FWIW, I don't believe ExxonMobil is efficient because they rely on government. I think other fuel companies would appear to better compete with the fuel cartels, I'm just using the term "corporation" in the free market sense, not in the mercantilist sense).

      I agree with your general reply, thanks for the insight.

    4. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I'll get blasted for this and called a troll, but my real opinion is that the distribution cartels (phone companies, cable companies and TV companies) don't want it to happen.

      Great karma whoring. You start with the obligatory 'I know I'll be modded down' intro, then immediately pander to the crowd by railing against the evil 'media cartel', at the same time pretending to be a controversial minority. The slashdotters who think the same way and want to feel part of a 'counter-mainstream' movement all agree with you and mod you up, thinking how great they are that they're so much cleverer than the 'norms'. The sickest part is that it worked.

      UHF and VHF should be dead, and HDTV along with it. If people want HD broadcasts, they could be better suited to a faster more localized version of the torrent protocol -- maybe set up by a few re-distro companies, maybe by amateurs, let competition bring it about.

      I don't want to have to set up an Internet connection, a computer, TV card etc just to watch TV, when the current system means I can just turn on the TV. No doubt you'd have to pay for this torrent business, broadcast TV is free.

      As for paying for it, I believe 5 second spots work just as well as 30 and 60 second spots.

      And the TV companies believe otherwise. Who to believe: the random Internet person with no experience, or the people actually running real life businesses?

    5. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by Garak · · Score: 1

      It dosn't even have to be fiber! ADSL can do up to 8mbit which is more than enough for a few mpeg 4 streams.

      Fiber rollout is very expensive, but its naturally going to happen over time. Your still going to require atleast one copper pair for 911 service, fiber cannot carry power and 911 services have to just work, even when the power is out.

      HDTV is going to be a niche market for many years yet. I'm big into video and mpeg 4 on my regular TV is fine for me.

      In the mean while someone needs to roll out a ADSL modem built into a set top box with an mpeg 4 decoder. Then the ISP's need to start providing multicast content for their subscribers. It could be done unicast too, on demand content is going to get pretty big. I've streamed video off my private colocated server to 1.5mbit adsl. It was xvid encoded and I used standard http for transport, the buffer set to 6 seconds and it never drops out(provideded the orginal video was well encoded)

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    6. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Great karma whoring.

      I'm no karma whore -- I get modded -1 as often as +5, usually for the same opinion. It is more important to me to hear VIABLE replies that properly debate my point, so I can be better prepared to debate myself. The best part of slashdot for me is that I learn where I'm wrong, often. I have my display browsing to -1, so moderation means nothing, and I've often replied to insightful -1 troll posts myself.

      I don't want to have to set up an Internet connection, a computer, TV card etc just to watch TV, when the current system means I can just turn on the TV. No doubt you'd have to pay for this torrent business, broadcast TV is free.

      Broadcast TV is not free, it is paid for by advertising paid for by consumer purchases. Advertising is slowly losing power, so we'll see more product placement and direct financing by viewers. The market will adapt.

      As for setting up an Internet connection, this also could be reduced if the bandwidth was deregulated. I see no reason why a simple Cisco/Netgear/D-Link "Direct-cast" box wouldn't be released for $49.99 at Circuit City that grabs the WiFi signals and puts them up on your TV or your PC to view. Add a US$99 250 gig USB hard drive (I just bought 3 of these at Best buy 2 weeks ago) and you can even store the signal. The market will provide these, also. Soon.

      And the TV companies believe otherwise. Who to believe: the random Internet person with no experience, or the people actually running real life businesses?

      No experience? I've been in the consulting and retail market for 18 years. I'm paid to make these recommendations to help business prosper as markets change, and I recently spent 7 years changing the high rise and medical contracting industry in Chicagoland to take advantage ot technology. My 3 customers are now the most efficient in the market, and I've been quoted in huge contracting magazines regarding the work I've performed while dotcom companies were going bankrupt. I think I know enough about marketing and market changes to say my opinion is just as worthy as those paid in the big magazines, but I repudiate income for my opinions -- I give them freely so I can bill my real customers more money because you guys give me more insight that I use in my real job. Is this wrong? Don't we all come to slashdot for either entertainment or for real information to use to make ourselves more profitable?

      Also, I owned a production company in the late 90s, and I also spent a lot of money on advertising in my failed retail chain, all of which gave me insight from other angles.

    7. Re:Us geeks already know the future .. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Broadcast TV is not free, it is paid for by advertising paid for by consumer purchases.

      Internet TV will /still/ have advertising. You are also not required to buy things advertised during the programmes you watch, and you can buy them even if you only watch over the Internet.

      I see no reason why a simple Cisco/Netgear/D-Link "Direct-cast" box wouldn't be released for $49.99 at Circuit City that grabs the WiFi signals and puts them up on your TV or your PC to view.

      Or for £0 you could just watch your normal TV? Your idea isn't really getting off the ground.

      No experience? I've been in the consulting and retail market for 18 years.

      You're a consultant? No point reading anything else you have to say then.

  8. This very well could happen by dada21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been looking for advice and opinions on a "dream" of mine on the verge of coming true -- an idea I call No Copyright Studios. Basically the idea was initially to sponsor bands who dropped all their music into the public domain in exchange for all the free marketing that could drive more fans to their shows. Now we're looking at enticing another group of artists to work to build a digital library of free programming in exchange for driving people to see them live: the theatre group.

    I've been thinking about all the great actors I personally know (I love SOME local theatre) and how they could record some of their skits as mini-TV-shows to broadcast freely online. I've also thought that we could get a few different groups throughout the country to work on similar vignettes, creating interest not just in my local Chicago area.

    The more I look at the quality increases of amateur performers online, the more I realize that the big cartels that controlled distribution for nearly 70 year ARE in trouble. No, we aren't there yet, but we're getting there. I just picked up 3 3-chip DV cams for under US$4000 total, brand new, 16:9. Amazing what competition can do to drive prices down so that amateurs can start competing with the big guys. Even HD cams are dropping in price.

    I think the big issue right now is forgoing "protection" of the medium or the data and just letting it go wherever it can go. In the long run, people seem to be willing to pay for a la carte entertainment, so I believe that we can see a return to the old days when artists were sponsored by the masses solely to create. No Copyright Studios has numerous ways for artists to make money without copyright, including charging for fans to watch the band in the studio live (via the web). As more people embrace the idea of letting your digital product become your marketing sysetem, the quality will go up. Competition still exists even when a product is given away.

    The question is: what will the cartels do to stop it? The big print media outlets are forming blogs, which are succeeding within reason (Slate?). The big radio outlets are jumping beyond their pre-set formats, bringing some people back to the radio, and some are even podcasting.

    Can big media hold on when the prices are quickly dropping to zero and advertising can be bypassed with the press of a button? What is the next step for them?

    1. Re:This very well could happen by forkazoo · · Score: 1
      I've been thinking about all the great actors I personally know (I love SOME local theatre) and how they could record some of their skits as mini-TV-shows to broadcast freely online. I've also thought that we could get a few different groups throughout the country to work on similar vignettes, creating interest not just in my local Chicago area.

      This would work great for improv performers, I think. Since Chicago is so known for improv, I think that it may be a good place for you to start. With improv, you can always guarantee that next week's show will be completely different. You can also guarantee that you will have material to post online next week.

      Even better, improv is more interactive than traditional theater. You can't offer a suggestion when you are watching the recorded version, but you can if you come in and buy a ticket.

      Improv troupes are also usually only known locally. I was in Chicago last week, and I saw a few shows at the iO theater. All were a hoot. But, I hadn't ever actually heard of them while living in Denver. Likewise, almost nobody outside of Denver has heard of the improv troupe in which I am a member. Few would really shun the publicity of moving to being a nationaly known group.
    2. Re:This very well could happen by dada21 · · Score: 1

      This would work great for improv performers, I think. Since Chicago is so known for improv, I think that it may be a good place for you to start. With improv, you can always guarantee that next week's show will be completely different. You can also guarantee that you will have material to post online next week.

      Bingo. There are GREAT theatre groups in Chicago (even beyond Improv). There is no reason why their production level can't increase slightly (based solely on donations of people who like to watch their 'show'), and they can use the free release of these episodes to get people interested in their production. What is the point of paying a Hollywood actor $5 million per episode? It is because they can -- the distribution is locked in by a cartel, with an infinite barrier to entry. My studio idea can break it down while still being profitable.

      You can't offer a suggestion when you are watching the recorded version, but you can if you come in and buy a ticket.

      And that there is the power of the studio idea -- when watching it, you WILL hear the people in the crowd throwing out ideas. This might entice people who like the show to actually make a trip out. I love theatre and regularly travel to see both large and small shows, but I have no idea what is out there. With a "free TV" format, your selection goes from 150 shows on right now to thousands. With tagging and viewer moderation, you can even work at finding what you like. Don't like nudity? Negate the tag. Don't like heterosexuals? Block them. Don't like bald people? Gone. A great a la carte format is just waiting to be born.

      I was in Chicago last week, and I saw a few shows at the iO theater. All were a hoot.

      Make it a regular visit, they're always great. If you need a place to stay, drop me an e-mail, I'm always inviting slashdot regulars to crash a night or two.

      Few would really shun the publicity of moving to being a nationaly known group.

      And for now it would stay this way as they have no access to convert their live showing to a digital format easily. The plan of our studio is to set up everything at the studio but also set up a few vans for live recordings of bands, theater, who knows what else might happen.

      Thanks for the insightful reply.

  9. Because it's the future... duh! by gasmonso · · Score: 1

    Of course network tv is threatened by this. It's old technology and hasn't changed much to adapt to younger generations. TIVO started the push towards controlling your tv, but thats not enough. People want to watch whatever they want, whenever they want it with little interuption. Some may say this is unrealistic, but if the public demands it long enough, someone will provide it. ABC is already starting to offer some shows.

    http://religiousfreaks.com/
  10. In every colour there's the light by Ze+Emperor · · Score: 1

    In every colour there's the light. In every stone sleeps a crystal.
    Let's Tear Down the Boundaries of Connectivity!
    There will be no more free TV

  11. Disney's Net Neutrality about-face by MECC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would seem Disney is confused about what it want, or who its friends are. Back in November of 2002, Disney sent a letter to the FCC asking "transmission network operators do not encumber relationships between their customers and destinations on the network."

    Recently: "Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger weighed in on the network neutrality debate Monday with an opinion guaranteed to please his hosts here at the TelecomNext show -- in that he doesn't think any new legislation is needed."

    Now, Disney wants to be a content provider, yet is siding with the telecoms in an endeavor that will ultimatly hurt content providers by trying in vain to prioritize selected traffic for selected content providers and consumers. Whoever it was at Disney that understood that trying to guarantee that a class of traffic gets prioritized fairly throughout all routers running the internet was virtually impossible must have left.

    It would seem Disney want to feed them selves with one hand, and stab themselves with the other. What a Mickey Mouse operation.

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    1. Re:Disney's Net Neutrality about-face by taskforce · · Score: 1

      I see where you're going with this, but I think you might be forgetting that if network traffic is prioritized, Disney is exactly the type of content provider which is going to be right up there at the top of the pile, becuase they have plenty of money to buy off the telcos with. I'm sure Disney would love to be able to say how fast their TV shows were compared to that of smaller, independant networks.

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    2. Re:Disney's Net Neutrality about-face by MECC · · Score: 1

      I think you're right, they probably could buy off some of the telcos, and arguably the largest ones. There are at first glance, however, two significant problems with this.

      First, they will have to out-spend everyone else in order to do it. They might be able to pull this off at first, but it will get more and more costly in time, and it will cost them more than it does now to move the same amount of content. So, they are in fact guaranteeing that their costs will rise artifically. However, they may be able negotiate smaller increases with their own providers. The other half of that problem is that other telcos with whom Disney isn't a direct customer will most likely favor their own customers above a non-customer. Its that way now. Disney's 'prioritized' traffic will have to take a back seat on networks where a competitor is a direct customer and has an established busisness relationship with that telco. The cost to get their traffic practically prioritized every on the Internet will marginally increase as they buy their way into networks logically further away, and they'll end up in either a bidding war, or in court with competing content providers to see whose traffic gets the best treatment. Yet more $$ thrown at what is essentially a non-problem artifically created entirely by telcos, who then charge for a solution they can't really provide.

      Secondly, prioritizing traffic Internet-wide, besides being impractical, will ultimatly carve up the Internet itself, leading to an Internet-wide state of diminished functionality. The reason is that telcos are trying to understand the Internet in terms of how they been doing business the past 50 years (can you blame them?).

      The very concept of the Internet is too new for them. I've seen telecommunications people struggle with the notion on an internet of networks (before the internet was the size it is now), all freely allowing traffic to flow amonst each other to everyone's benefit, designed in fact to acheive that. Its confounding to them. I saw one teleco guy, a top telco engineer with a prominent fortune-100 global IT company, literally bury his head in his arms trying to understand what was meant by "allowing your system to make a connection anywhere on the 'internet', anywhere in the world". "What do you mean, some kind of global network that everyone is connected to and can just talk to each other? Just like that?". "yes". "How the hell does that work?" (pretty close to direct quotes. I don't think that company is on the fortune 100 list anymore).

      What telcos are after is a return to the pre-internet state of things, not by deliberate intention, but by striving to preserve their business model through legislation. If they succeed, the content providers, even Disney, will eventually feel it. After all, no matter how big you are, you can't buy the Internet - just parts of it.

      To put it another way, telcos are only familiar with lakes with canals between them. The internet is really more like the sea. Disney thinks they can buy good weather and smooth sailing.

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  12. In every colour there's ze darkness by Ze+Emperor · · Score: 1
    ..."dream" of mine on the verge of coming true

    Try nightmare.

    Ze dark side has won. Get over it! We'll rebuild ze boundaries of connectivity.

  13. It really doesn't matter... by geoff+lane · · Score: 1

    ...how the data is delivered, unless they come up with something worth watching it won't mean a damn.

    We see how the broadcast stations are trying to maintain revenue by just redoubling their efforts to do all the kind of stuff that drives away audiences (longer, more frequent ad break, screen covered with DOGs, truncated credits, entire storylines cut out of programs to force them into ever shorter time slots.)

    Treat the audience with some respect.

    1. Re:It really doesn't matter... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I hardly watch any TV now. Where I once would sit and watch an evening's TV and watch the best programme on, I'm more likely to sit and read a weblog by someone.

      I hardly watch any TV news now. The net beats it hands down. I can read dozens of different opinions, and it's often not been run through a dumb filter. I can read weblogs of people who are on the frontline, not journalists trying to make a sensational story.

  14. Satelite radio will die first by Danathar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Watch what happens to satelite radio...it will be a pre-cursor to what happens with video.

    I can already take my phone/PDA, load a streaming media player and stream virgin atlantic classic radio through my cell companies unlimited data services at 160Kbs. Take the audio mini-jack out of my PDA, add a power adapter so it does not drain the juice and I can plug that directly into my car stereo system. Presto! The collection of radio stations at broadband speeds are available via my car. On top of that, with 768Kb/s upstream from my cable modem I'm able to access via teh web my ENTIRE music collection at home and have it streamed to my car.

    I predict within 3 years (probably MUCH sooner) you will be able to buy a head unit for your car with either A) cell phone electronics on it or B) a cradle for your phone so the head unit can receive streaming audio from the internet.

    1. Re:Satelite radio will die first by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      No need for a cradle. When Cells start to support UWB then you can do it wireless.
      Why have a DVD navigation system when you can have a network navigation system with real time traffic feedback? Have it find the cheapest hotel or gas near you? Stream audio and maybe video for the back seats?

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    2. Re:Satelite radio will die first by prator · · Score: 1

      Well, a cradle would be nice for the power connection unless you want to power the thing on good intentions.

    3. Re:Satelite radio will die first by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Cradles are phone specific. A power adapter is more universal.
      For instance my phone will not work with any cradle at all. You have to use a plug to connect the charger. I think the Razor is the the same way.

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    4. Re:Satelite radio will die first by Danathar · · Score: 1

      yea..cradles would be nice but are phone specific. It will be more likely that sprint/verizon will partner with a company like Kenwood or Aiwa and some online radio stations like Virgin...Sirrus and XM could be forward looking and allow access over the internet though the units if people don't want to use satelite.

  15. stream ripping by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless they limit the stream rate server side, it's trivial to rip any stream out of it's wrapper and download it at full speed.

    I always wondered why most sites don't take that basic precaution when they're providing non-downloadable streaming video. It really isn't a problem unless I'm forced to download the thing in real time... that's a bit painful, though not a showstopper.

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    1. Re:stream ripping by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      It's trivial to most of the /. crowd, but the millions of Joe Sixpacks out there will always be there to create new flocks of ad impressions every time they watch something unless someone releases an idiot-proof stream-ripping app.

  16. Irony by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

    I just posted last week IIRC that
    Internet is going to overtake all froms of media due networking being superior to any distribution(Not in speed right now,but it possible when infrastructure changes) was moderated as funny.
    Well, you don't get straming video from 56K,
    But i don't need it "streaming/Buffering" I just download the torrents and watch it later.
    And you (technically) would be able to download any video torrent with dialup.
    It just will take too much time.
    56kbit=
    7KBs=604 MB day(or about 300 MB day at half-max speed).I can download about 17GB daily (about 25 video CDs) at max speed.

  17. Buffering TV. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " Despite advancements in streaming technology, video delivered on the Web can still be choppy, with frequent interruptions as data packets buffer and reload on the screen."

    That must be RealTV.

    Seriously while the delivery chain may be threatened (a favorite "/." meme). The content producers aren't, as long as they continue to get funded.

  18. Its not really a threat... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its not really a threat, well unless you consider watching the profits go from big name studios to triple and quadruple play carriers a threat.

    Did we forget that tiered internet thingy? Yep. as soon as media shifts to all digital, we have a new set of pipers to pay. Instead of the old cable companies and commercials, it will be digital network providers and commercials PLUS the overhead of tiered network costs if you want to watch that with fewer commercials and in real time streaming.

    All of this posturing and lobbying is about capturing market, ensuring that investors will be happy in the future.

    Digital content is simply a different medium, and the big players, even the new ones, are not going to let it go for free. If they can't get advertising dollars for it, they will try to charge premium costs for access to it.

    One thing is for certain, you can bet that Hollywood, television networks, and other media content providers will be vying to pick consumer's pockets for a very long time indeed.

  19. Bittorrent by graystar · · Score: 1

    When we finally get decent broadband when the upload is same as download, it will be over.

    Why doesn't some savy media house have a few servers with pipes and seed shows with bittorrent. You could place the seeds around the world, like mirrors. Then you produce and release show with a few ads. I know everyone says, well people will delete the ads - but if they are tiny and clever - aka people watch the ads in the superbowl because they are interesting.

    But seeing as the time consuming part of bittorrent is encoding and seeding, which the media house does - they retain some control of the content. If I knew I could go to site X and get shows, no problems with copyright, people might be too lazy to encode shows. Combine your media releases in a rss feed to a set top media box with bittorrent on a tv.
    It will only take one company to do it with a quality production, before the avalanch starts.

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    1. Re:Bittorrent by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Right. If you designed your video properly, you could make the automatic commercial killers jump right to your commercial. Most just look for a black screen transitions. After a few failures, most consumers will just stop using automated systems to remove the ads and just sit down and watch them.

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  20. Leaving your computer on overnight... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    You mean you don't normally leave your computer on all the time?

    1. Re:Leaving your computer on overnight... by Kangburra · · Score: 1
      You mean you don't normally leave your computer on all the time?


      In rural WA, you can't guarantee the power will be on all night, every night. It's always the night before the big meeting that the damn UPS starts going BEEP BEEP at 3am.

      No, we don't leave the computer on, we turn everything off at the wall.
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  21. Screw that, just use product placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever watch HK films? Product placements all over the damn place, and I could not care less. You gotta get money to produce and distribute things, and you gotta get that money from somewhere. I'd much rather have someone pull out a particular brand of cell phone to make a call that was in the script, than have to sit through a fucking completely unrelated ad - that only interrupts my viewing experience - about said cell phone.

    1. Re:Screw that, just use product placement by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Ever watch HK films? Product placements all over the damn place, and I could not care less.

      I care. It forever cheapens the show, as you now know the plot has been comprimised for the sake of product placement.

      On top of this. It's inefficient. For example. Moco-Coco pays the makers of say, the OC, to have all the characters drink the vile brew on screen every episode. The writers have to adjust their scripts to accommidate this.

      Now lets say Moco-Coco goes out of business, later on down the road. Now who pays for the shows distribution? If you had gone for a simple "Drink Moco-Coco" logo in the bottom right hand corner once every ten minutes, you could now replace that with a "Mega-Choco" one now that Moco-Coco have gone bust.

      Of course, the logical conclusion of this route is a rolling tickertape of ads across the bottom of the screen, turning users back to higher quality illegal downloads.

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  22. You're serious? Pop-up ads are a good idea? by vthokiestm · · Score: 1

    There's nothing I hate more than the stupid animations that pop up in the middle of a show to advertise other shows, or just tell you what network you're watching. On MTV2 they've gone so far as to cover the MIDDLE of the screen with animation in the middle of a show @#$@$!$#! I definitely don't trust anyone to put non-obtrusive ads overlayed in the corner of a show. Pop-up ads and flash overlays are REALLY annoying.

  23. This would be solved by gigabit Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The US is headed toward being a third-world telecommunications country because the American public is being dumbed down about what is really high speed Internet. Megabit speeds are legacy technology, regardless of what the cable and DSL providers say. Other countries are going to gigabit technology -- to the home and at reasonably low cost (say $50 per month for Internet, telephone, and cable TV combined).

    Take a look at the white paper at:

    http://www.ieeeusa.org/volunteers/committees/ccip/ docs/Gigabit-WP.pdf

    However, we must have net neutrality to do it, which means that bandwidth providers can't also be content/applications/services providers. Under such a gigabit Internet concept, you would separately negotiate for content, applications, and services. That blows away the business models of present cable providers and what the telcos are lobbying to get.

    This is where we need to head, and the FCC and Congress need to stop listening to incumbent providers and start thinking about what is best for everyone.

  24. 100 years ago: Cars threaten horse breeders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nothing wrong with new technology displacing old technology.

    I don't understand why in many supposedly free market economy countries this is portrayed in a negative light and some governments even try to protect old, uncompetitive technologies by laws. Why is the innovation a bad thing?

  25. What we need is Democracy... by Paladin144 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...literally. I'm sure some of you are already aware of the open-source Democracy Player that the Participatory Culture Foundation has pulled together. For those who aren't, I would urge you to download it and give it a spin. The player merges bittorrent, rss and VLC (or Quicktime on the Mac) into a single cohesive platform. You can start your own channels if you've got content and a webserver. Bittorrent is built into it so that you're sharing as you're downloading, which takes some of the load off your webserver. It sounds like a really cool idea, but it needs some help to get off the ground floor.

    It's still in beta, and it runs slowly on my Mac, but the way you can subscribe to channels or just download individual shows/clips is pretty cool. Could this be the future of TV? It's not really on-demand; it's more like demand-then-wait-for-download, but you get better video quality than most streaming solutions. I'd be curious to know what people think of this idea.

    1. Re:What we need is Democracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only just started using Democracy as of this week, but it is great! It's a bit flaky, but some of the content on there is already interesting (and I actually like the idea of expiring clips in this instance, as it actually applies to TV: TV is generally "throw-away" content: watch it once, and forget about it).

      I found it through downhillbattle (again, another great site for all things disruptive :)

  26. Time delay vs isochronous delivery by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It all boils down to isochronous delivery: broadcasters have us trained to think that entertainment is event driven, like "Survivor" or another scheduled event. In fact, few shows need be delivered this way.

    The telcos that would prioritize their own isochronous/realtime delivery system only get an advantage there. We can still download movies, sports, or whatever for use at our convenience. This means that the NCAA Final Four is probably hot property for QoS throttling, where downloads of Star Wars movies or even Buster Keaton aren't affected by a time domain.

    Bottom line: only event-driven, realtime entertainment that isn't available for time delay consumption matters. The on-air broadcasters already know this.... and the telcos are just trying to find a way to shave (or add) a piece from the deals we make. They'll likely win, because they're thoroughly bribed the congress for years into doing it 'their way' vis-a-vis their ability to get the FCC to play along, and for net-neutrality legislation to be handily squashed.

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    1. Re:Time delay vs isochronous delivery by carrier+lost · · Score: 1


      Hey! I learned a new word! I was gonna be a wank and ask if you meant asynchronous but some little voice in my head kept me from becoming an insta-jerk and I went here instead:


      http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/I/isochronous.html


      Whew! that was close

      :)


      MjM

  27. It won't be the legal TV that does it... by mogrify · · Score: 1

    ... because you'll have a choice. You can either watch low-res, grainy video with commercials over an Internet connection, or grab a torrent and watch full-quality video with no commercials right off your hard drive. When you can wake up Monday morning and find an hours-old HR-HDTV copy of the Sopranos with 5.1 audio sitting on your desktop, that you can watch whenever you want, you get spoiled.

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  28. Interruptions... by Fanther · · Score: 2, Informative

    Web can still be choppy, with frequent interruptions as data packets buffer and reload on the screen

    Some broadcasters seem to get it much better than others:

    http://delicast.com/tv/Ministry_of_Sound
    or
    http://delicast.com/tv/NASA_TV

    The bitrates are not impressive, but I can't recall a single pause/buffering issue with them (adsl2+, UK).

  29. Time for Math! by wuffalicious · · Score: 1

    Basic cable costs around $25 a month.
    My cable internet connection costs around $45.

    And my cable company is worried... why? Unless the cost of running their cable internet operation is significantly higher, they're actually making more money off me than they would were I merely a cable subscriber. It seems to me that if they adapt to the times, and focus on become one of the primary providers of high-bandwidth internet connections to people's homes, they'll be in good shape. Much of the infrastructure they'd need is already in place. They already have lines going into everyone's homes capable of providing much of the bandwidth people need. In the future it will simply be cable vs. DSL, as opposed to cable vs. sattelite.

    1. Re:Time for Math! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how many people are just a cable subscriber? Most pay for a phone, cable and internet. Even though the internet money goes to either the phone or cable company, both will loose when people switch to only paying for an internet connection.

  30. Nobody uses internet TV because... by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    In fact many viewers who watched the NCAA tournament aired by CBS on the Internet last month complained about the network being overloaded.

    In other news... no-one goes to the beach any more because it's always overcrowded.

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  31. Could watch-at-your-leisure hurt TV popularity? by AusIV · · Score: 1
    A hundred years ago, people entertained themselves by reading books. Then radio came along, so they'd listen to radio shows instead. The radio programs in themselves weren't necessarily more fulfilling, but the provided a social aspect that didn't come along with books. People would all listen to the same thing at once, then the next day at work or school they could talk about the radio programs. T.V. replaced radio by offering the same social aspect but more than just audio. But TV shows are quickly becoming something you record and watch later, or download when you have time to watch. To a degree, this takes away from the social aspect. When someone watches a show as it airs, they're all hyped to go talk with a friend at work about it. But when they get to work, they find that their friend recorded it on their DVR and plans to watch it the following night. They lose interest by the time their friend is wanting to talk about it. It becomes like a book that some people rush out and read right away, but many will wait and read later, thus losing the social aspect.

    I know there are some other reasons books are less popular than tv shows, but I have to wonder what effect the ability to download shows at your leisure will have on the social aspects of television. I'm not really opposed to the idea of DVRs or TV downloads, I just wonder what unintended consequences it may have.

  32. anything but free by boojumbadger · · Score: 1

    Free net tv isn't free, they may not charge for the stream but for many it still counts against bandwidth limits. When I turn on my tv connected only to an antenna ... that is free tv. Except of course for the brain burn causesd by advertising but that is a whole different story.

  33. Choppy Display by tansey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not like having a choppy picture is anything new. Back before cable was very popular, and 95% of consumers used only antennaes, static was everywhere. Reception was horrible at times, and yet still people used the technology. One of the major issues was that watching national stations was free while cable was very expensive. It's a trade off that people make between quality and cost, and they know that.

    Where that tradeoff comes in now is in time and attention. People like watching tv on the internet because it's the only thing they have to do, and the few sites that actually try commercials probably don't get as much viewer attention as a tv. People just minimize it and go do something else until the commercials are over. This is different than walking away from a TV, namely because there is no walking involved. People are lazy, yes, but they aren't lazy enough to not minimize a window.

    So in general, I would agree that free internet video will likely bring down the major broadcasters. It will take time of course, and things like poor bandwidth or resolution are definitely a hinderance right now, it's nothing we haven't seen before.

    1. Re:Choppy Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how cable in malta is still full of static, even when it's supposedly digital...

  34. uhh, just how is this I-TV getting to homes, then? by swschrad · · Score: 1

    unless they have made a breakthrough in mass psychic transference, you get Internet connectivity through wires or waves... that means telcos, cablecos, and wirelesscos... in addition to television the way God created it, by modulated broadcast radio waves.

    so I-TV kills the carriers? boGUSSSSS. the writer is channeling Ralph Kramden.

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  35. Somebody's in denial... by TheNoxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds kinda like, "These 'video disks' will never overtake our VHS format. Look at how big and expensive they are!"

    Ignoring the ground during the fall, eh TV execs?

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  36. Something bad can happen by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1

    There is an increasing number of industry leaders talking against free services.
    Namely VoIP, free internet TV and the likes.
    The real fear is for users (of course) because someday some smart guy could be able to have internet traffic filtered out (or hindered) in order to block those protocols/applications.
    Some alre already doing this against VoIP!

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    For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
  37. The technology infrastructure will need new ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To stop DoS attacks, cause mass consumption of the same media just will not work well in a request/response infrastructure vs. a data casting infrastructure. Hence, TFA is another FUD ploy.

  38. Composite Video Channels by DJ_Perl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The evening news should not go unquestioned. Think of all the mischievous, world-changing possibilities that open when TV and the net converge even closer. Video streams from two (or multiple) sources could be synchronized and composited together according to instructions on a control channel. The video sources could be DVD's, or video streams from the net. The compositing logic could be on an HDTV, or set-top box. You could watch TV with friends anywhere in cyberspace. You could syndicate and rebroadcast your own channel, intended to be merged and watched with "mainstream media". Think MST3K, Third Voice, or Wayne's World. Real-time critiques of old-style TV. Just you wait till Howard Stern starts ripping on the evening news. In low-bandwidth conditions, TV becomes like "pop-up video", as you IM with friends who are watching the same TV show, at the same time, on your TV set. Imagine special DVD players into which two DVD's are loaded simultaneously. One DVD can make a live mash-up of the other DVD. So you pop in "The Phantom Menace", and a "remixer" DVD that carries control data, and additional audio-video data to show you a special edit of George Lucas' film.

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  39. The Real Point by Mr.+Lucas+Brice · · Score: 1

    Television is so bad, especially network television, that I don't see why anyone would want to watch it at all. The real question isn't where and how you're going to watch TV. The question is why you want to watch TV in the first place. Go read a book, or go outside and do something. Use your mind. Life's too short to spend it sucking at the glass teat.

  40. Bandwidth Doesn't Need to Be a Problem by carlhirsch · · Score: 1

    If this content was distruted as multicast streams rather than unicast traffic there would be much less load on the backbone.

    Multicast streams wouldn't be completely on-demand, but there's ways around that.

    -carl

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  41. NCAA confusion by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    To be honest, I signed up for the NCAA webcast, but couldn't figure out how in the hell to actually watch a game. I couldn't find the links to the actual broadcasts anywhere. I ended up just getting my info from ESPN and such.

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  42. Internet TV will never make it to the living room by Rob+Nance · · Score: 1

    Not to mention Dish and their "HD Lite" pseudo HD, which is utter garbage.

    As far as the original topic, people will claim that it's not forward thinking enough to say that the natural progression of free TV isn't high quality free TV on the net. The reality is, it isn't. Getting the video to your living room, which will always be the setting of choice for watching TV, will never be something that is easily accessible. Tie that in with the fact that even though people think we're going to magically pull bandwidth out of our asses in the future, and it's just not going to happen.

    Fiber optic into homes doesn't change that the backend bandwidth doesn't exist to support it in widespread delivery.

  43. ITVN - IP TV provider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironicly, I just canceled service and sent the box back this morning, but if you want to see a current IPTV provider who seems to be headed in the right direction, check out www.itvn.com (might not be work safe). The bulk of their 100+ chennels is porn right now but they are expanding to movies and other TV content.

    The cool thing with them is they use a small Set top box that connectes to ethernet and your TV. It isn't quite as refined as your cable / satellite box but it's pretty good. It's worth checking out. No, it isn't free.

    Not exactly apples to apples for what the article is talking about, but it is an Internet TV solution that looks to be the future of TV.

  44. Evil by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The dark side and the light side are both evil. The one true path is the edge of the coin. Wide is the path, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction. The dark and light sides are both wide.

  45. The link is only partially correct by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    >>Isochronous can be contrasted with asynchronous, which refers to processes in which data streams can be broken by random intervals, and synchronous processes, in which data streams can be delivered only at specific intervals. Isochronous service is not as rigid as synchronous service, but not as lenient as asynchronous service.>> this is the citation from your link, and it's not quite correct.

    Asynchronous data means literally without clock. Sender and receiver use timed or externally clocked framing.

    Synchronous data sends the clock, hence the 'synch' prefix. Most modems, and many serial links use asynch. Synch links are largely seen in older IBM terminals. There are no framing bytes/bits/nibbles in synchronous data, where these are present in asynch data to help frame packets by creating gaps. This helps electrically/optically to frame-out the data portions from signalling and control. There is a variation, bi-synch, where each side can send their own clock autonomously of the other, allowing different rates or clocks to be applied to each side of the conversation.

    In isochronous transmission, the data are timed within their own time domain, although that time domain may be represented by a standard framing context over a-, bi-, or sychronous transports. Isochronous data becomes broken, by a quality metric, when sufficient jitter or latency prevents correct interpretation of the data as perceived by the recipient. This means, jaggies, pixelation, drop-outs, and the other uglies of audio/video reception. A lot of this is older than dirt, but completely relevant when it comes to the realtime vs time-delayed content arguments. Realtime means NOW. Otherwise, it's your favorite version of download now, play later. Realtime then connotes isochronicity and all of the crap necessary to ensure a pleasant viewing experience. So, the dolts are trying to herd cats, as far as I'm concerned. Hence the post.

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  46. providing your own content by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 0

    i've canceled my cable tv in favor of just buying whole seasons (on dvd) of whatever shows i'm actually interested in.

    also recently, (as of last night) i finally decided to connect my computer and the tv. it about as easy as connecting a vcr. i'm on a mac, albeit a 3+ year old titanium powerbook, it does seem particularly well suited to this purpose.

    the dvd's combined with whatever i have on my computer (podcasts, adult swim fix), make for a much more satisfying 'tv' experience. i am however, paying a lot more for it, considering.

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  47. Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is absolutely ZERO reason for network congestion during the broadcast of sports and here is why. When that show first becomes available, it should be made available first only as a multicast stream. This of course means that someone dropping in on the show in the middle will catch it mid-stream, but this is no different than it is now with sports. In fact you can do the same with TV. Heck, you could even stagger several multicasts starting every minute, one after the other so that the viewer doesn't have to wait long if at all for it. 60 multicasts is a LOT less than 20 million viewers.

    Cacheing isn't a good idea, unless it is used in conjunction with multicast.

  48. Most people don't need/want streaming by Sloppy · · Score: 1
    Despite advancements in streaming technology, video delivered on the Web can still be choppy, with frequent interruptions as data packets buffer and reload on the screen.
    They then give an example of a sports program streaming poorly.

    The thing is, most TV ain't sports or anything else where viewers have realtime needs. Sure, maybe some fraction of the market cares about streaming. The rest of us are happy -- no, actually prefer -- time-shifting.

    Forget your streaming "technology" and just make your stuff available on a web or ftp server, and you'll still get millions of people to come to you. If Verizon ain't scared of that..

    A Verizon spokeswoman said the company does not feel threatened
    ..then I'm glad I'm not a Verizon stockholder.

    And that's ignoring the fact that things are generally getting faster, so streaming will eventually become viable (assuming it isn't viable already).

    Screw "broadband" and "services". Just sell me "band" and I'll decide how "broad"ly to use it.

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  49. Do these media barons have kids under 30??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or do what the rest of the world has been increasingly doing since the early 80's--play video games. Mind-numbing entertainment vs. INTERACTIVE entertainment. I'm still wondering what's taking so long for the rest of the sheeple of the world to catch on. Slowly but surely. And yet all these media/content companies STILL cannot figure out what the hell is going on (decline in music sales, radio listening, tv watching, movie theater attendance--it's all related if you look)--"it must be piracy!!!" Yeah, right. The interactive entertainment industry has already surpassed the movie industry in sales (look at Halo 2 or GTA:SA for some recent examples) and nothing can reverse the trend. Even if they completely stopped producing video games, music and movies today, there's an immense existing catalog with which to entertain yourself until the end of your happy life. The only thing that cannot be truly replaced (yet) is the experience of going to see live bands or sporting events. That may never be fully replaced but if the second best thing is good enough (or better to some--see home theater vs. movie theater), bye bye massive sports salaries.

    We're almost at the zenith of entertainment (finally): average user goes on the Internet and hears a clip/sees an article/visits a site about a band or song, downloads the song(s) in minutes (or less), transfers the song(s) using their $30 1 GB USB memory stick to the back of their Xbox 360 and proceeds to play interactive entertainment in HD while listening to their own music in 5.1 surround sound. User is in a blissful state of entertainment happiness, life rocks. Change a few variables and the fun never stops--pop in a movie DVD or music/concert DVD or TV show on DVD, burn the music as a music CD or data CD (or DVD), listen to it in your car, on your stereo, cell phone, etc. Take your DVD's on the go with a portable DVD player, burn a backup so you never have to re-buy the same thing (HD discs are a flop). The possibilities are limitless: you have the power to create an optimal entertainment experience. It's over for the media/content companies, they just don't realise it yet. Mark my words, as soon as this is an average experience for the average person (it seems to be just the techs these days thus far that GET it (although Napster and its ilk was a preview of the reaction of the masses)), you will witness a shift in society like never before. It's like when I was a kid and couldn't imagine my parents as Grandpa and Grandma listening to the Rolling Stones (still can't) but it's coming. And it will be a trip.

  50. old methods always get replaced by HyperTiger · · Score: 1

    Old methods fade away to new methods. They stick around for a while as 'fun' things to do, like hunting or sailing, but new tech replace them for practical business or military uses.

    Hunting was replaced by farming, the stable replaced by the garage, the blacksmith replaced by the machinist, the crossbow replaced by the gun, sails replaced by motors, hemp was replaced by nylon, the royal page replaced by newspapers, the scribe replaced by the printing press, the passenger boat replaced by airplanes, and so on. Try to stop this and progress will work around the damage in other parts of the world.

  51. That's not how internet tv is gonna be by js_sebastian · · Score: 1
    Despite advancements in streaming technology, video delivered on the Web can still be choppy, with frequent interruptions as data packets buffer and reload on the screen.
    We all thought that multicast streaming would be the television of the future, but guess what, it won't. Except perhaps for sports or other "live" happenings.

    It turns out internet tv is download lot's of content, watch it when I want. The TiVo proved this type of viewing appeals to users. And protocols such as bittorrent make it possible. Like democracy player. That does mean it is hard for the content industry to control distribution, cause distribution is p2p. So they will oppose it.
  52. WTF? by GWBasic · · Score: 1
    How does video-over-IP threaten telecom/cable companies? It will help them! All that will happen is that video-over-IP customers will drop their cable TV subscriptions and replace them with more expensive cable connections. This makes the overhead of running a cable network simpler because they only have to support one protocol instead of two.

    The reality is that terrestial broadcasting is doomed, and telecom will just become a utility like electricity.

  53. The Secret proved the technology is here NOW! by patgrahamblock · · Score: 1
    Check out this recent Press Release:

    Feature Film Released on Internet; Does End Run Around Major Movie Houses

    I love it!

    Pat