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Slashback: Sony Blu-Ray, Phone Records, Korean Cloners

Slashdot tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories, including a few thoughts on the McKinnon situation, New Zealand revises their views on OSS, Korean cloners facing possible jail time, the fight for .xxx continues, more details on Diebold problems, the Supreme Court sides with eBay, AT&T denied a closed hearing, and Sony's Blu-Ray demo on the level. -- Read on for details.

Mathew Bevan speaks out on McKinnon case. mrkuji writes "Ex military hacker Mathew Bevan AKA Kuji has released his comments and thoughts about the goings on of the McKinnon hacker extradition trial."

New Zealand revises their view of OSS. sam_vilain writes "As previously noted here on Slashdot, the New Zealand State Services Commission has some problems with open source software. The new version of their legal guidelines document for OSS in NZ government, however, is a breath of fresh air."

Korean cloners facing possible jail time. reporter writes "In a stunning conclusion to the saga of the Korean cloning scientist who fabricated his results, the Korean government wants to throw him in prison. The BBC reports, "The South Korean cloning scientist who faked his stem cell research has been charged with fraud and embezzlement. [...] Prosecutors claim he [, using grant funds,] bought a car and paid contributions to politicians and company officials who helped to arrange his grants. [...] The misuse of state funds carries a jail term of up to 10 years, while a violation of bio-ethics laws can mean up to three years in prison.'"

The fight for .xxx to continue? Robert writes "ICANN has played down the role that the conservative US government had in its decision to reject a plan to launch a porn-only internet domain, while the company backing the .xxx proposal said it was considering an appeal. From the article: 'Stuart Lawley, president of ICM, after spending at least two years and over $2m on campaigning for .xxx to be approved, told us he thought the deal was shot down for political reasons, and said he was weighing a response. [...] The reason people suspect that US concerns were key, and the reason that the media keeps harping on about it, is because ICANN's powers are granted under a contract with the US Department of Commerce. That contract ends in four months, and so far nobody seems to know what happens after it expires.'"

More details on the Diebold problem. An anonymous reader writes "SecurityFocus' Rob Lemos has published an article with many more details on the critical Diebold problems, implications for upcoming state elections next week, and quotes from key scientists who have detailed knowledge of how easily the flaws can be exploited." Relatedly eldavojohn writes "USA Today is reporting that Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell has resigned. From the article: "The board of directors and Wally mutually agreed that his decision to resign at this time for personal reasons was in the best interest of all parties," said John Lauer, Diebold's non-executive chairman of the board."

Supreme Court sides with eBay in patent suit. theodp writes "In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court sided with eBay in a fight over the use of its 'Buy It Now' feature, which will make it easier for companies to avoid court injunctions barring the continued use of technology after a patent infringement finding, such as the one used by Amazon against Barnes & Noble in the midst of the Christmas holiday season over its soon-to-be-reexamined 1-Click patent."

AT&T denied a closed hearing. guygee writes "According to the San Francisco Chronicle, AT&T has lost its '11th hour bid' to force closed hearings on unsealing critical documents in EFF's class-action lawsuit alleging AT&T's illegal transfer of its customer's telephone and Internet records and communications to the National Security Agency. According to the report, 'An AT&T lawyer sent a letter by fax to Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker on Tuesday asking that the courtroom be closed during any discussion of its trade secrets or confidential information.' EFF is also reporting the breaking news on the case." Relatedly DarkAudit writes "A commissioner for the FCC wants an investigation into whether or not phone companies broke the law by handing over their records to the NSA."

Sony's Blu-Ray demo on the level. eaglebtc writes "Gearlog.com has retracted a previous accusation against Sony regarding their alleged use of a DVD+R instead of a Blu-Ray disc in a demonstration. In the original announcement, Gearlog.com claimed that Sony was using a DVD+R to demonstrate Blu-Ray technology, in an attempt to show that Sony was not ready to market the product."

158 comments

  1. blurb about the fake cloner by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    good! he's a fraud and deserves punishment. Sounds like the prosecution has a lock case. Although I only think we're hearing about this because of all the political baggage stem cell research carries. There are plenty of people defrauding governments and companies worldwide.

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    1. Re:blurb about the fake cloner by gooman · · Score: 1

      Prosecutors claim he [, using grant funds,] bought a car...

      What sort of car? Was it a Hyundai?
      If so, hasn't the poor man already suffered enough?

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  2. Nice job Lance by illuminatedwax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently, Lance was drunk during the event and thought he had some kind of big scoop when really he was too wasted to understand what was going on at the event.

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    1. Re:Nice job Lance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, and lame ass gearlog get themselves some exposure TWICE for the same story. Something tells me that was the plan all along.

    2. Re:Nice job Lance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Something tells me that was the plan all along.

      "Never attribute to conspiracy that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

    3. Re:Nice job Lance by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
      Lance was drunk during the event

      Gentlemen, I give you the next William Faulkner! With his twin ghostwriters, Jim Beam and Jack Daniels.

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    4. Re:Nice job Lance by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

      You're right; Lance is pretty good at writing fiction.

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  3. Retraction? by grub · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Gearlogs "retraction"
    The Sony rep believes I should have come straight to him when I saw the DVD+R. Had I thought this was a momentous discovery, I would have. But the fact that I found no Blu-ray disc was, to me, humorous and not some indication of bait and switch.
    The fact is, Mr. Ulanoff, you thought you had a scoop and ran off to stick it in your blog. You did seem to think this was a "momentous discovery", at least that's what your actions suggest.

    Be a man, admit you screwed up and move on.

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    1. Re:Retraction? by Tsiangkun · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Can I trust Sony ? If they don't know why a DVD was in the drive, or how it got there, why should I believe they know a blu-ray disc was in the other machine ?

    2. Re:Retraction? by exley · · Score: 4, Insightful
      My favorite part of the "retraction" was this (emphasis not mine):

      While it's true that I did not check the drive of the second AR laptop, I thought both laptops were showing the same thing and saw no need to investigate the second seemingly duplicate setup.

      Yeah, we can't have journalists wasting any of their time doing things like investigating facts. Why would they have two identical setups side-by-side anyway? Wouldn't that warrant some kind of further study? As the original poster implied, Ulanoff saw no need to investigate further because he was too excited at having "caught" Sony doing something bad. Can we get Ulanoff a job at one of the major newspapers, or possibly in the Bush administration? Seems like he'd fit right in with those groups since they're pretty good at doing half-assed work and pushing their agendas.

      If this was Sony's big coming-out party for Blu-Ray I could understand this having been a big deal in the first place, but it wasn't -- it was just a party for the 10th anniversary of the Vaio line. All this was was another excuse for the anti-Sony Fanboys to have yet another opportunity to bash Sony. I'm less than thrilled over the price of the PS3 and some of Sony's other moves, but this is ridiculous.

    3. Re:Retraction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a little thick, are we?

      Sony knew it was there, they were compairing standard DVDs to their new Blu-Ray discs with HD content in their demo.

    4. Re:Retraction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had two identical displays side-by-side because Blu-ray comes with a new Visual Stereo setting! Exciting!

    5. Re:Retraction? by kaffiene · · Score: 1

      Ulanoff clearly has an axe to grind - his past articles on Blu-Ray show that. No suprise that Slashbot morons were keen to pick up such ridiculous rubbish and run with it (AND the editors!!! WTF!?)

    6. Re:Retraction? by grub · · Score: 1


      Well, they could have HD content on a DVD+R for the demo to say "this is what HD looks like" but I doubt it. Not in DVD video format, in MP2 or whatever BluRay uses. I have a concert[0] DVD with 2 HD videos on it for use off a computer.

      [0] Motorhead's Stage Fright. It will rock your world.

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    7. Re:Retraction? by Oxen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fact still remains that Sony's "comparison" laptop was playing a DVD+R for comparison, not the production DVD. From the pictures, it appears to be a single layer DVD, which indicates that comparison DVD was, in fact, a compressed DVD. This should raise some eyebrows, as one can tell the difference between a DVD compressed to a single layer and one which fits on a douoble layer DVD. The fact that Sony resorted to degrading the quality of the control DVD indicates that the quality difference between DVD and Blu-Ray isn't as great as they would like us to believe.

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    8. Re:Retraction? by Suhas · · Score: 1

      Well, he is takking the time time tested honourable way out by lying.

    9. Re:Retraction? by Satertek · · Score: 1

      Well, it was stated that the quality of the Vaio playing the "Blu-Ray disc" appeared higher than the one playing the "standard DVD disc", so its pretty safe to assume that it was Blu-Ray (or near Blu-Ray) quality, only burned onto a DVD+R.

    10. Re:Retraction? by wish+bot · · Score: 1

      I've no idea why this is modded 'flamebait'. It's a perfectly reasonable question. If it was the comparison machine, then it wasn't a true comparison, as the 'DVD quality' video would have been compressed (even further) using god-knows-what settings.

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    11. Re:Retraction? by Pfhor · · Score: 1

      I really, Really hate to point this out but:

      Most movies, sans menus and additional audio tracks, unless they are SuperBit, will fit on a single layer dvd+r. Let alone we don't have any confirmation if the movie was being played in it's entirity. If i wanted to do a comparison using the same movie and keep them synced up, i would burn a single chapter from each, in its original format, burned onto the respective medium (dvd+r in one case, bluray-r or whatever in the other) and set the player to loop that chapter. On top of that, Sony's BlueRay player may have better features for a controlled playback, or sony didn't want to have full copys of the dvds out on the floor for someone to walk off with. The DVD+R might not be a problem, but im sure they would get all fussy if a drmless bluray disc of the movie walked off the show floor.

    12. Re:Retraction? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems like he'd fit right in with those groups since they're pretty good at doing half-assed work and pushing their agendas.

      Hate to break this to you, but upon closer scrutiny, you'll find that a disturbingly large portion of the world does things half-assed. You usually only notice how bad it is when you happen to be well-versed in a particular subject or if, as mentioned above, you scrutinize someone's work or findings.

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    13. Re:Retraction? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we can't have journalists wasting any of their time doing things like investigating facts.

      Lance Ulanoff writes for PC Magazine, and thus, logically, is not a journalist.

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    14. Re:Retraction? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Ulanoff clearly has an axe to grind

      I'm certain that that is a job requirement at PC Magazine, right after "Lack of Journalism Skills and Aptitude".

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    15. Re:Retraction? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      That's not necessarily true at all. It stands to reason that Sony wanted to demo specific scenes from the movie and not simply play back the entire disc in either case. If this is the case, ripping a 15 minute chunk of the movie onto DVD+R would be a quick and dirty way of making the demo material easily accessible without violating their license for CSS by bypassing anti-skip functions on the real DVD.

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    16. Re:Retraction? by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 1

      sony owns a studio, this means they could copy a movie of their own without breaking the law.

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    17. Re:Retraction? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      That's what I said.

      The copying isn't a problem.

      However if they left it on the original DVD and used software on the laptop to bypass the CSS restrictions to fast forward directly to where they wanted playback to begin (bypassing the intros), they'd be breaking their licensing agreement with the CSS patent holders.

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    18. Re:Retraction? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Does the movie in question not fit on a single-layer DVD? Perhaps without menus/special content? I have numerous DVDs which are double-layer, but where the movie itself fits on a single layer disc, and the remaining used space is taken up by menus and special features.

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    19. Re:Retraction? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Apparently (I got schooled on this recently) both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray can use MPEG2, which is what DVD uses, but they can also use other formats. The difference between the video on a DVD and an MPEG2 Blu-Ray would be resolution and bitrate.

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    20. Re:Retraction? by DanHibiki · · Score: 1

      Most movies do not fit on to singe layer discs without loosing significant quality. Most films that can fit on a single layer disk are usualy 60% comressed.

    21. Re:Retraction? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      The fact still remains that Sony's "comparison" laptop was playing a DVD+R for comparison, not the production DVD.

      I get so tired of hearing this hogwash. This isn't video cassette. The movie's total run time is 119 minutes, so it will fit on a standard DVD+/-R without any further compression.

      I know it is popular to pick on Sony on here the past couple of weeks, but at least have your facts in order before trolling.

    22. Re:Retraction? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      Not if you trim out the extra sound tracks and special features. Most movies do not exceed 120 minutes.

      Out of my home movie collection's backups, I've only had to compress a few titles to fit. This is usually only slight compression (5-15%) to get them to fit. Considering many of the originals were compiled with software less modern than what I'm recompressing them with, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

      I watch movies 5' away from a Sony 40" LCD panel, so I think I would notice degraded quality more than folks using SD CRTs.

      You also do not know if this was the full movie, or just a few chapters for use as a visual demo. Recall how someone else who made assumptions about a situation came across looking like a giant jackass? Assumptions have a tendancy to do that.

      Anyway, what sort of character goes to a party, spots what he thinks is a big scandal, then doesn't have the social skills to talk about it with anyone there? I would have immediately asked the guys who set the boxes up what method they used to put the video on that DVDR and if the whole movie was there (being 119 minutes, it would have fit with no compression if they ditched the extras -- what I would have done if all I planned on doing was running it as a looped demo). It's not like doing so would have been anything more than just chit chat. I guess this is a big lesson to those who read and believe things "tech journalists" write, as a large chunk appear to write out of their ass (ie, Devorak).

    23. Re:Retraction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being played in it's entirity

      "its", "entirety".

      but im sure

      "I'm".

      Also, the word "I" is usually capitalized. In fact, there are many places in your post where capitalization should be present, but isn't (e.g., "dvds" instead of "DVDs", "drmless" instead of "DRMless", etc.).

    24. Re:Retraction? by carbonautomoton · · Score: 1

      goddamn composition nazis...did the grandparent get their point accross? THEN IT DOESN"T MATTER...anonymous nazi...

  4. I like New Zealand! by mangu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I took a look at their paper on F/OSS and I liked it. The people who wrote it really did an effort to understand the issues.

    1. Re:I like New Zealand! by vik · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thanks. A lot of the credit goes to the members of the New Zealand Open Source Society http://nzoss.org.nz/

      OK, I'm a member and I helped draft the response. This isn't about grabbing credit for ego, but about the way the response was done. It was calm, didn't call for Open Sourcing everything, and didn't demonize Microsoft. The response was a coordinated, reviewed group effort containing constrictive and well-researched cristicism presented in a non-confrontational way. Coupled with a very receptive attitude by the SSC, the combination resulted in what you can see is a very reasonable and useful document.

      Vik :v)

    2. Re:I like New Zealand! by holloway · · Score: 1

      Yeah it was a good effort by everyone :)

  5. Phone-y Story by Illbay · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Anyone else want to weigh in on the fact that the NSA "phone-tapping scandal" is turning out to be a big flop for our vaunted mainstream media?

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    1. Re:Phone-y Story by Quaoar · · Score: 1

      Hey I hear those kids in that Duke rape case pleaded innocent, so by your logic, they must be!

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    2. Re:Phone-y Story by jjh37997 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What seems more likely.... that the NSA tried to strong arm Qwest and when that failed decided not to try and get information from the other telecoms or the other telecoms are lying about not handing over our information? Qwest has no reason to lie while the other companies have 200 billion reasons to do so.

    3. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The Federalist Society has a paper that shows how the warrantless surveillance program is legal, constitutional, and necesaary.

      It shows things in a new light after you hear all the mindless ranting and raving around here.

    4. Re:Phone-y Story by Romancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then is the president of the united states lying in his statements that they are keeping a database of numbers called? Or is he just misinformed about what civil liberties his administration is currently disregarding?

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    5. Re:Phone-y Story by kabloie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The companies waited 5 days before even starting to try to tell us the story was false.

      With carefully worded statements that avoid coming out and saying what the AT&T case already shows, that the NSA has built snooping into the phone system. Verizon came out and said that "the NSA program" is highly classified and so it can't comment on it. BUT we are not giving them phone records. OK, what ARE you giving them?

      I'd give about as much creedence to these denials as Enron saying they aren't manipulating the energy market in California.

    6. Re:Phone-y Story by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone else want to weigh in on the fact that the NSA "phone-tapping scandal" is turning out to be a big flop for our vaunted mainstream media?

      No, since calling the story a "big flop" is your opinion. Come back when you know the difference between a fact and an opinion, and we'll reconsider your brilliant and insightful analysis.

    7. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh wow, weeks later they're insisting they weren't involved? I wonder why they didn't notice earlier... wait what? The judge declined a closed court hearing and is looking less and less like a republican stooge? Oh shit! They promised our involvement would never be made public! Quick, get the PR department on full spin! We did not have information exchange with that NSA agent!

    8. Re:Phone-y Story by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. Is your summary of its contents 100% wrong because you're a troll, or because you're functionally illiterate?

    9. Re:Phone-y Story by LifeNLiberty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You might wanna check this out. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/17050 6_b_Memorandum.htm It turns out, the President gave a memorandum telling the National Intelligence Director he could authorize companies to lie about dealings having to do with national security without being subject to penalties almost a week before the NSA shit really started hitting the fan.

    10. Re:Phone-y Story by bpd1069 · · Score: 1
      funny watching the sheeple try to cling on to the last whispers of what they think happened over the Bush Presidency...

      Psychologists describe the resistance to ideas that threaten our sense of security as "cognitive dissonance", which can occur when, for example, a mother discovers evidence her husband has been molesting their daughter.

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    11. Re:Phone-y Story by instarx · · Score: 1

      What seems more likely.... that the NSA tried to strong arm Qwest and when that failed decided not to try and get information from the other telecoms or the other telecoms are lying about not handing over our information? Qwest has no reason to lie while the other companies have 200 billion reasons to do so.
      You are not playing the PR game! AT&T put out a press release that only IMPLIED that they did not cooperate with the NSA. They said that AT&T did not give the NSA any company records. They said nothing about allowing the NSA access to trunks lines or areas inside their facilities that would allow the NSA to collect the data themselves. The press release also said that AT&T did not provide NSA with any data about calls from 2001 to December 2006, but it is beleived that one of the SUBSIDIARIES did.

      Is this lying? Technically no, but it sure is deceitful, misleading and slimey! Power to the Public Relations Departments of the world. Join us and you too can have a career by learning how to lie by telling the truth.

    12. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Federalist Society is a neoconservative political group; oh, and by the way, the Bill of Rights by definition trumps the Constitution: that's why they're called "amendments."

    13. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this marked as insightful? I believe we can all agree there is a factual definition of the word "flop", and that there are perhaps varying degrees of floppiness.

      I consider a retracted story to be on the "very floppy" side of those degrees. I would also consider anyone who didn't consider a retracted story to be better defined as "a flop" than "not a flop" to be very uninsightful indeed.

    14. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it just means there are a bunch of morons about who don't understand the difference between keeping a database of numbers called and listening in to all the calls that are being logged in said database.

    15. Re:Phone-y Story by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1


      "Sources told us that BellSouth and Verizon records are included in the database," USA Today spokesman Steve Anderson said Tuesday.

      "We're confident in our coverage of the phone database story," Anderson added, "but we won't summarily dismiss BellSouth's and Verizon's denials without taking a closer look."

      emphasis added, where exactly is the flop? In order to have a flop the author would have to change something, not just point out that the phone companys didn't like the way the story was presented.

      oh wait, I see the flop, "BellSouth did not challenge the initial report when given details about it before publication. But BellSouth spokesman Jeff Battcher said he never agreed to the reporter's allegations when presented with them."

      you meant the phone companys are flopping, well your posting was mis-worded.

    16. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I consider a retracted story to be on the "very floppy" side of those degrees. I would also consider anyone who didn't consider a retracted story to be better defined as "a flop" than "not a flop" to be very uninsightful indeed.

      Has USA Today retracted their story? I don't think they have, so what you ``consider'' about retracted stories is sort of irrelevant. After some brief googling, I found this op-ed piece in USA Today criticizing the NSA "snooping on phone calls and records" (or rather the lack of congressional oversight on such snooping). This was posted last night, so I'm guessing they haven't backpedaled much.

      Care to retract your silly post?

    17. Re:Phone-y Story by spun · · Score: 1

      Verizon came out and said that "the NSA program" is highly classified and so it can't comment on it. BUT we are not giving them phone records. OK, what ARE you giving them?

      They're giving the NSA little origami swans that, coincidentally, have copies of phone records printed on them.

      Or perhaps they have the phone records in an FTP repository. They aren't giving them, the NSA is taking them.

      Or, more likely, they aren't giving them at all, they are selling them.

      It all depends on what your definition of "is" is.

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    18. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stripper claimed that she was raped, so by your logic, she must have been!

    19. Re:Phone-y Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were his lips moving?

    20. Re:Phone-y Story by Romancer · · Score: 1

      And the difference in this case would be......

      I call a reporter that later does a story on government corruption and that call is logged in a government database controlled by the very people who have the most motivation to abuse it without our knowledge.

      This is what we were so afraid of when we were fighting communism, that an invasive government idea would infest our basic rights to freedoms and liberties assured us in the constitution.

      A quote by our founding fathers:

      "Those who trade security for liberty deserve neither."
      BF

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    21. Re:Phone-y Story by Illbay · · Score: 1
      It's a "fact" that the phone companies all deny they gave over any such information. It is a "fact" that USA Today printed a story saying they had.

      Interesting which side most folks here come down on. One "fact" contradicts the other, but without any reasonable expectation of agenda.

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  6. How much do you want to bet... by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... that the 'Sony used a DVD+R for their BluRay Demo' meme will float into console fanboy lore, like the Toy Story claim...

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    1. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Kuukai · · Score: 1

      ... that the 'Sony used a DVD+R for their BluRay Demo' meme will float into console fanboy lore, like the Toy Story claim...

      So, they actually didn't make the Toy Story claim either?

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    2. Re:How much do you want to bet... by kaffiene · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Especially when Slashdot posts such rubbish directly to the front page and then hides the retraction at the bottom of a Slashback section.

      Editorial integrity on Slashdot is a JOKE.

    3. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they did not. They made the claim that the PS2 would put out graphics like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within in real time. Toy Story 2 was a claim made about the Xbox.

    4. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like "Al Gore invented the Internet" or "Bill Gates said 640KB ought to be enough for anybody" all over again.

    5. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably about as long as the incorrect meme you're talking about. It is, strictly speaking, true that Sony never said that the PS2 could render Toy Story in real time. They said it could render the cinimatics from Final Fantasy 8 in real time, complete with a rigged demo.

      However, most Americans don't know about Final Fantasy 8, and Toy Story is a close enough approximation. So, no, they didn't say Toy Story specifically, they said Final Fantasy 8's cutscenes. Which is close enough to be equivilent.

      Likewise, with proof of a DVD+R and not an off-the-shelf DVD, this demo still has to be considered rigged. While it may have been true that they had a Blu-Ray disc in the other laptop, we have no way of knowing if they tampered with the DVD quality on the burned DVD.

      The exact details of the way the demo was rigged may have been wrong, but with a DVD+R being used instead of an actual DVD, the demo was still rigged.

    6. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The other two replies to this are flat-out wrong. Final Fantasy: Spirits Within came out well after the release of the ps2. Sony claimed that the ps2 could render the ballroom scene from FF8, which can be seen here.

      Stop spreading this crap around.

    7. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Wait. There's editors on slashdot?!

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    8. Re:How much do you want to bet... by infolib · · Score: 1
      Slashdot posts such rubbish directly to the front page and then hides the retraction at the bottom of a Slashback section.

      You know, that's standard operating procedure for any kind of media. No, I don't like it.

      During the Mohammed cartoon crisis the boss of the Norwegian press organization was in some kind of misunderstanding. (I think he was alleged to be one of the cartoonists). With a sly grin he commented that he had discussed the problem with the Arab media, "but if they're as bad at corrections as my own members I don't really expect much." That's average journalistic integrity for you.

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    9. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Sad but true. Here many people are upset at the journalist not checking facts, but neither are any of the people who repeated the story. That is a major problem with journalism today in general.

      I long for fact-based reporting, but it is rare these days.

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    10. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind that most mainstream media publications are no different. They may have a huge headlining front page story, but in two weeks when it's found that the Bush National Guard Memos were fake the retraction shows up somewhere around page B-6

    11. Re:How much do you want to bet... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Especially when Slashdot posts such rubbish directly to the front page and then hides the retraction at the bottom of a Slashback section.

      As opposed to traditional newspapers, which post retractions in bold headlines on the front page... </SARCASM>

      The world sucks. Get used-to it.
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    12. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They never made the Toy Story claim, but they made an equivalent claim. They claimed that the PS2 could render the cinematics from Final Fantasy 8 in real time.

      Now, the cinematics in Final Fantasy 8 were about as complex graphically as watching Toy Story on a DVD, so they're really comparable. (In fact, I think Final Fantasy 8's graphics may have been more complex than Toy Story's.) So while it's true that they never said the PS2 could render Toy Story in real time, it's also true that they said the PS2 could render something that's very similar to Toy Story in real time.

      In any case, it is unarguable that they made claims that the PS2 graphical capability would be far beyond what the console was actually capable of - including a forged demo involving the PS2 rendering the characters from the FF8 cut scene, with the background footage being straight from the original cinematic.

      It is also undeniable that we have never seen graphics as good as they claimed that the PS2 was capable of.

      But I'd have to say "Sony said the PS2 could render Toy Story in real time" is easier to understand than "Sony said the PS2 could render the cinematic from Final Fantasy 8 in real time. Oh, you don't know what that is. Well, it's like they said it could render Toy Story in real time." They may as well have said Toy Story, it's close enough.

    13. Re:How much do you want to bet... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, they're called editors, but they're just glorified bloggers. Slashdot is probably the most successful blog for the least amount of work - the bloggers don't even have to find their own content, and they get their name at the top of the story anyway! Talk about an easy ride...

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    14. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Kuukai · · Score: 1

      ffxii looks comparable to the ffviii tech demo. It might be due to texture trickery or something, but the in-game scenes are very nice, and there are a few points in the game where I've thought it's gone to fmv and it hasn't...

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    15. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, this is slashdot. This is where capitalism is evil and communism is good. Why do you think a lot of slashdotters are bashing Microsoft, sony, etc, and are modded up for it?

      The only one posting here that's modded up for pro-capitalism posts is bob_robertson. Eventually, even he will be mod-bombed into oblivion.

    16. Re:How much do you want to bet... by kaffiene · · Score: 1
      The world sucks. Get used-to it.

      ...or you could grow a backbone and say something about things that suck.

    17. Re:How much do you want to bet... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      This is just a tempest in a teacup...

      You might as well send Greenpeace to investigate Joe Blow, who drips a little oil on the ground when working on his car.

      If you want to make a point, try to make it about something with some significance.

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  7. Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the phone companies say that they're not engaging in illegal activity, then I do not see why a mere journalism source has any place to claim otherwise. USA TODAY should print a retraction immediately.

    If you cannot trust a telecom monopoly, then who can you trust?

  8. O'Dell resignation news almost 6 months old by kabloie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Errr, I thought, the guy's resigned a second time?

    No, indeed, it is not news. The 2005 date of the article is even embedded in the link. Halooooo Slashdot!!!

    1. Re:O'Dell resignation news almost 6 months old by jsight · · Score: 1

      Indeed... the USA Today story is about 6 months old.

      Doesn't anybody screen these articles!?!? :)

    2. Re:O'Dell resignation news almost 6 months old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About your sig...

      Your site seems to be down right now so I can't compare. But you might want to check out My Recipe Database.

    3. Re:O'Dell resignation news almost 6 months old by jsight · · Score: 1

      Indeed... the homeip people goofed and deleted my account. So, I switched services, but haven't moved over all of my links (including my Slashdot sig).

      Anyway, thanks for the link... looks like a nice site.

    4. Re:O'Dell resignation news almost 6 months old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't anybody screen these articles!?!? :)

      Not when their buddies names are on them, such as Zonk or ScuttleMonkey. Articles by anyone else, yeah.

  9. Even though there was a Blu-ray disc.... by Starcom8826 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Doesn't anybody else think its a cheapshot to compare a Blu-ray movie to one on a single layer DVD? No commercial movies are that small anymore.

    1. Re:Even though there was a Blu-ray disc.... by NoNsense · · Score: 1

      Not really, I dont see the problem. They were comparing one DVD format against another. The first one was a copy (for whatever reason) of the movie, the other a re-mastered verion presumably on BluRay.

      Remember, there are different codecs and different amounts of information here.

      Also, this is round one... and right now the HD-DVD players are slow as heck. I hope the first Sony product outperforms the horrible Toshiba machine.

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    2. Re:Even though there was a Blu-ray disc.... by Firehed · · Score: 1

      I'd wager it more likely to say "here's how crappy your pirated version of the movie is compared to our legitimate high-def Blu-ray copy!" ;) As to the early HD-DVD players being slow, well, early adopters pay more to get into what's in effect a public beta - nothing new there.

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    3. Re:Even though there was a Blu-ray disc.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DVD specification is limited to 10 megabit pr second. A normal disk averages around 6 megabit of mpeg2 video, uses a couple of megabits for ac3 and dts audio tracks and even some hundred kilobits for subtitles etc (which is actually 2 bitplaned bitmaps).

      You don't get better quality using dual layer discs, but you can cram twice the length or use the extra space for trailers and bonus features.

      So dual layer is mainly the convenience of not having to flip sides or switch disks and will not per se give you better quality audio-video.

      - thjo

  10. Cloning Cover-up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever stopped to think how much money can be made by the people who hold the organ duplicating stem cell cloning patents?

    I have heard, conservatively, that the market value of this biotech intellectual property is worth more than 4 times the money spent on all electronics (Software, Mainframes, PCs, TVs, Radios, DVDs, calculators, etc. - all circuit based devices.)

    With a few trillion dollars of revenue at stake, the leading competitor may be going to jail - for a long time.
    That's a big win for Korea's competitors.

    For anyone wanting real cures for real people -
    perhaps the answers will be found here.

  11. HD-DVD the real Beta by DumbSwede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't help but wonder if this was mistake or an intentional attempt to boost HD-DVD sales by someone for stock reasons or something. The HD-DVD camp has been very shrill in decrying Blu-Ray the Beta of the new millennia, despite Blu-Ray's larger coalition of partners than its rival this time around and Blu-Ray's much larger storage (storage being a HUGE factor in Beta's demise). Beta did come out first, so the fit with HD-DVD is the more like Beta. HD-DVD is trying to claim a 2 month head start is insurmountable for Sony and Blu-Ray, but Beta had a least a year's head start on VHS.

    I haven't seen any HD-DVD recorders yet. Do the HD-DVD notebooks have recorders or just players? Sony VIAO will come out with a read/write Blu-Ray in June I believe. If Blu-Ray is first with recorders that is the real race and death knell for HD-DVD.

    Given the FUD form the HD-DVD camp I think they know that come June it is essentially all over for them. They will unload a few more players at or below cost. Brag about being first to market. then give up shortly after Christmas.

    1. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you've got it exactly right.

      If HD-DVD can get a $200 player into stores by Chistmas and Sony is far behind and the PS3 is a no-show they have a chance.

      But as a consumer of these discs, mainly through NetFlix, I'm all for BluRay, both for its non-scratch coating and so I can get an entire Season of '24' in HD on one disc. There, NetFlix just got 6 times more convenient. That's important.

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    2. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Beta created by Sony? Isn't Blue-ray also being created by Sony?

      Sorry but saying HD-DVD is the "Beta" equivalent is like saying a Cucumber is the equivalent of a Banana just because they are shaped similarly. Now its true Beta was released first, but that seems to be the only real similarity it has to HD-DVD. The two formats have nearly identical capacities and likely have the exact same price as far as media and players go. The real question to ask, is whether anybody is going to be able to notice a visual difference in quality... and the answer I'm sure is an absolute NO.

      And out of curiosity I just want to know if anybody on earth can actually sit down and watch a regular DVD right next to a HD or Blue-ray and be able to tell the difference, because I sure as hell can't. As far as movies go, the higher capacity really doesn't seem at all necessary until we get some kind of holographic televisions, or the need to store an entire season of a television show on a single disc. The latter of course seems to me to be the only plausible reason within the next 10 years.

      As far as video games are concerned, it seems all the latest games seem to fit contently on a single DVD, a dual layer DVD could easily be the next step as video games probably won't be getting that much bigger over the next several years.

    3. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1
      As far as video games are concerned, it seems all the latest games seem to fit contently on a single DVD, a dual layer DVD could easily be the next step as video games probably won't be getting that much bigger over the next several years.

      Not only that, but some games are still on smaller media and look damn nice. Take Resident Evil 4 or Metroid Prime 2, for example. Those ship on the GameCube's mini-DVDs, and RE4 in 480p looks goddamn cinematic Cube's texture detail tends to be a little low, granted, but that's not an issue for stylistic graphics like those in Tales of Symphonia or Viewtiful Joe.

      This is to say nothing of those PS2 games which are using plain-Jane CD-ROM media.

      I think higher storage can do wonders for games, but not in the way most developers (developers developers dev...too old?) think. Use it to create multiple storyline branches the way many games do multiple endings. Have a point in the middle of a game where the entire 2nd half can fork off in 5 or 6 totally different, totally unique directions. That would be a great use of the extra capacity, far greater than seeing every grain of sand on a beach.

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    4. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      >>> And out of curiosity I just want to know if anybody on earth can actually sit down and watch a regular DVD right next to a HD or Blue-ray and be able to tell the difference, because I sure as hell can't.

      As I've posted on here before, I don't think this is the killer app for Blue-ray or HD-DVD.

      The killer app is getting the entire season of Lost, or Sex and the City, or Seinfeld, etc., on a single disc, instead of the current need for 8-10 DVDs per season.

      This will save the publishers money. Fewer discs = less direct cost, smaller simpler packaging, better shelf space utilization, cheaper shipping. And you will notice the difference when you can fit the entire run of Seinfeld in the space on your shelf that you used to fit one season.

      Whichever format signs a deal with more of Disney, General Electric, and CBS/Viacom (or the independent TV producers) is going to win this war.

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    5. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by The+Warlock · · Score: 1

      Except they won't do that, because people won't pay $50-$70 for a single disc, even if it contains everything that used to take up ten discs. It's psychological. People will think they're getting ripped off.

      (and no, studios aren't going to lower the prices of TV season boxed sets)

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    6. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by popsicle67 · · Score: 1

      Does anybody remember what the price for a VHS tape was before they started putting ads in the damn things? I do. My mom payed 60$for Star Wars. One movie on a crappy tape. I don't think 70$ for a bunch of movies or tv shows will faze anybody given the fact that it will only be like 2 fillups at the gas station or A good meal's worth of money

    7. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a tremendous difference between 1080 HD and DVD. If you can't see the difference, then either something is wrong with your vision or the HDTV you were watching was a crappy 720 one. Still 720 HD should look a fair bit better than DVD as well.

    8. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... head into Best Buy and take a look at the HD-DVD demo setup they have. I was really surprised at the quality - completely blows away regular DVD.

    9. Re:HD-DVD the real Beta by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I disagree. It's all in the advertising. Of course, bundles will need to be less than the components, but that is true now.

      You can buy each season of Sex and the City, for example, on DVD for like $25. Or, you can buy the complete series on DVD at Target for $120.

      They could sell the entire series on one or two Blue-Ray for $100, make the same profit, and increase sales due to the lower cost. Or, they could sell it for $120 (obsoleting the old DVD set), and make $20 more per unit. I don't think the folks buying it would know or care how many CDs are in the box. They just want to own the series.

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  12. Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You don't have to have the entire movie on a single layer DVD to make a comparison. More than likely, they probably only burned the necessary footage for an A & B comparison.

  13. Diebold by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    So were these the same machines used to re-elect George Bush in 2004? Which states used Diebold devices then? I seem to remember some counties in Ohio did.

    1. Re:Diebold by Rachel+Lucid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Georgia used Diebold (and had the fishiest results for a governor's race in ages . . .)

    2. Re:Diebold by howlingfrog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So were these the same machines used to re-elect George Bush in 2004? Which states used Diebold devices then? I seem to remember some counties in Ohio did.

      Much of Ohio used Diebold machines in that election. And initial reports from one precinct in my hometown in suburban Columbus had more votes for Bush than total votes cast. The 2004 election in Ohio was shockingly corrupt. If people around the country knew about everything that went on, it would be regarded as a comparable disaster to 2000 Florida. Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, whose job it is to run a fair election, is a Diebold shareholder, headlined an enormous partisan ad campaign, and advised the Republican-controlled legislature on what ballot issues would generate the heaviest Republican turnout. Blackwell is now the Republican candidate for governor. Yay.

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    3. Re:Diebold by Eggz+Factor · · Score: 1

      Time to rebrand: Lie Bold

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    4. Re:Diebold by will_die · · Score: 1

      The machines which caused problems in Franklin county, Ohio were made by Danaher Corporation.

      Danaher was a contributor to Kerry and the Democrat party, and members have direct ties to the Democrate voting organization.

      During the 2004 election, the problems that made all the news were found coming from Danaher and ES&S. ES&S also has members and former Democrat congress members on its board and in positions of power.

    5. Re:Diebold by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If people around the country knew about everything that went on, it would be regarded as a comparable disaster to 2000 Florida.

      It already is! Which is to say, no one gives a fuck. I mean, a few people (like most of us around here) care. Also a shitload of people will continually deny it even presented with the evidence, although most of them are republicans.

      It doesn't shock me or anything but I am always amazed at human stupidity. People have been stealing elections as long as there've been elections to steal. Doesn't excuse either doing so or not getting up in arms when it happens, of course. Our nation is currently being raped by the president who was never elected. All hail democracy! Sieg Hail!

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  14. All these stories and yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And no one remembered to tell Groklaw happy birthday--we're a day late, now :(

  15. Crazy, but... by chriso11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, I think that a significantly more secure machine could have been made using an XBox! It's absolutely a frightening indication of our priorities when the security of games is more important than the security of elections.

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    1. Re:Crazy, but... by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Compare the funding. Many people say they want security, but few are willing to demand it and pay for it.

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    2. Re:Crazy, but... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think that a significantly more secure machine could have been made using an XBox!

      Plus, a decent selection of games would make voting more popular.

      Really, those Diebold games consoles are awful. You only get to press one button, and even when you win you lose (because a politician gets elected).

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    3. Re:Crazy, but... by Brushen · · Score: 1

      Why not just go all-out and decide who gets the presidency based on who gets the higher score on SimCity?

    4. Re:Crazy, but... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Really, those Diebold games consoles are awful.

      Yeah, but the end guy is hard.
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    5. Re:Crazy, but... by GoRK · · Score: 1

      Um... Are you really trying to suggest that Diebold is not getting paid enough to implement these things properly and securely?

    6. Re:Crazy, but... by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Diebold is not a charity. They are going to spend as little as possible on engineering, as long as they can still deliver an "acceptable" product. Making it secure requires expertise, analysis, design, implementation and testing. That equates to people and time, which aren't free. That increases costs and the value of the product, which normally results in a higher price.

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    7. Re:Crazy, but... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Really, those Diebold games consoles are awful. You only get to press one button, and even when you win you lose (because a politician gets elected).

      W.O.P.R. analysis (.WAV)

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  16. Blu-Ray: The usual FUD by xihr · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The false story leads in an article; the retraction is hidden at the bottom of trash day. Nice.

    1. Re:Blu-Ray: The usual FUD by kaffiene · · Score: 1

      Ah, snap! I just posted the same thing. Slashdot seems a haven for knee-jerk reactionaries these days.

    2. Re:Blu-Ray: The usual FUD by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but to be honest the original story was ripped apart. I don't think we want a whole story dedicated to a lot of people saying I told you so, and other decrying the end of journalism on slashdot/the guys blogg when neither of these represent serious journalism. Sure the original shouldn't have been given a story to itself either, but that is another issue.

  17. Re:HEY by hackwrench · · Score: 0, Troll

    Alright fine. Did you go to public school? The govenment's been having it's fix in. It isn't so much that I want the government to fix my brain, half as much as they'd quit pacifying everyone that the government says the brain is broken so that they would organize for a place at the work bargaining table. I'm not too crazy to get a job, it's that I'm a social pariah in a dying society. Read Les Miserables. Also, if the government didn't pacify the social outcasts, they'd have an uprising here to deal with as opposed to fighting wars in the middle east.

  18. Why the need for .xxx... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when you can just spell out .org?

    (OHH ARR GEE)

  19. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ". They made the claim that the PS2 would put out graphics like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within in real time."

    Yeah, well it can't do tht either.

    So what's your point?

  20. I can say I love Sony now by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 4, Funny
    I think Sony are great! Years ago when the original Napster announced that they were going to have a legit subscription service I had my money ready to slap down for the wonderful range of music that Napster offered. Of course the RIAA showed me that no they didn't want my money and shut Napster down, so ok I will take my money and spend it on other things instead.

    Fast forward to last year, my girlfriend at the time was a self-employed contract graphic artist, bought music all the time, and criticised me on my stance. Her friends told her to use P2P software but she said that her computer was too important to put anything on there that might upset her work. Overall her and I sort of had this ongoing argument about it. Anyway one day I get a SMS from her, a big "Help Me". I got round to her house and her computer wouldn't boot into Windows. She's in a big panic, big job due the next day, it takes days to install all the software she needs to do her work, she's lost a bunch of work and her PC is stuffed.

    In the end it was a big disaster, the job was screwed up and she lost a customer. A few weeks later I realised what the problem was, she was running Windows XP x64 and had put in a new Sony CD that had rootkitted her machine and overwrote some 64 bit drivers with some 32 bit drivers. PWN3D!!!! Explaining to her what happened was like the best argument win ever!! of course then we split, but it was worth it.

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    1. Re:I can say I love Sony now by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Uhm, lawsuit? Sony illegally installed software on her machine, and she lost a client? Surely, she can find a lawyer to take this on contengency. (or, if you want to get back with her, find one for her)

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    2. Re:I can say I love Sony now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawsuit?

      This is obviously a made up story as evidenced by the quote "my girlfriend at the time"

    3. Re:I can say I love Sony now by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      wait, and you didnt have one of those insta restore partitions that would put everything back the way it was, ie when photoshop is upgraded and working, make a new backup. The restore goes and your system is back the way it should be. (data should have been stored on an external drive anyways so nothing would be lost, all settings etc would be retained. I cant even comprehend putting a machine in use without that anymore. What should have taken 20-30 minutes to fix TOPS (waiting for the copy) turned into a big ordeal.

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    4. Re:I can say I love Sony now by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 1

      She sort went (more) crazy after that, and since then I think she's gone to Vietnam or something to teach English, but basically I have no idea where she is. Besides I have this really great girlfriend now from Taiwan, however she doesn't like me having anything to do with my ex girlfriends...or any other women for that matter....hmm :/

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    5. Re:I can say I love Sony now by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 1
      and you didnt have one of those insta restore partitions that would put everything back the way it was

      Wasn't my computer - it was a girls computer. Her data was all there, but yes an "insta restore" partition would have been great. Do you have a HowTO link for the readers that are following along?

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  21. Oh Larry, you're so wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh larry.

    Your trolls are funny, but not unexpected from somebody who takes blogging seriously.

  22. False premise = false conclusion by TBone · · Score: 3, Informative

    The first line of the article begins with a false premise, and incorrectly reflects the amended law as of any time since 1978, claiming that what was written in 1968 was the correct interpretation of a document written 150 years, before communication could possibly involve anything more than direct than person-to-person or written correspondence.

    The Omnibus... act was amended in 1978 to specifically remove the language which places the President's authority over all other concerns. Check out the current version of 18 USC 2511, and specifically the MISC2 section at the end, which outlines the changes to the statute through all amendments. The 1978 amendmeent, in fact, was the same one that overrode the portions of Omnibus... to reflect the details of the FISA legislation passed in the same year, which granted specific powers, to be exercised via specific procedures, with regards to electronic surveillance.

    In particular, the "constitutional power" verbage was removed as overreaching, and 2 (e) and (f) were added to reflect the ability of the Federal government to conduct electronic and other surveillance of foreign communications on foreign communications networks granted by FISA. In no way, shape, or form does the collection of data regarding my phone usage fall under those terms, no matter how many degrees of separation from Al-Qaeda I am via Kevin Bacon.

    If you want to be a strict Federalist interpretist of the Constitution, you better send your women back to the kitchen and keep your negroes in line...can't have them out, you know, voting and owning property.

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    1. Re:False premise = false conclusion by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      If you want to be a strict Federalist interpretist of the Constitution, you better send your women back to the kitchen and keep your negroes in line...can't have them out, you know, voting and owning property.

      Oh please. Even the looniest right wing member of the Federalist Society isn't going to claim that Article V and by extension the 15th and 19th Amendments are invalid.

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  23. Commentary on EBay case on SCOTUSblog by yar · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Commentary on EBay case on SCOTUSblog by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      I thought that the suprime court could only rule on matters of the constitution; this doesn't really seem to be applicable to that. Do they also have the ability to rule on any matter they want to get into?

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    2. Re:Commentary on EBay case on SCOTUSblog by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      Do they also have the ability to rule on any matter they want to get into?

      No, they have the "ability" to rule on any federal case in which one of the parties appeals to them after having a Circuit Court rule against them.

      If you think the only function (or even the primary function) of the Supreme Court is to rule on constitutionality, you have no grasp whatsoever of how the American legal system works, and if you're a US citizen I recommend you re-enroll in a middle school civics class.

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    3. Re:Commentary on EBay case on SCOTUSblog by popsicle67 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the middle school civics class is taught by people who are just as confused about the mandate of the Supreme Court. They now believe that the court is where many of the great moral and ethical issues of our time should be decided(hence the great fear of conservative judges)and that will remain true until the democrats take over the government again.

  24. Re:HEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you really are totally batshit.

  25. Details of the Naurus filter used at AT&T by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

    For detailed info on the hardware and software used by NSA at the AT&T central switching centers see my journal.

    The evidence from the Electronic Frontier Foundation's suit against AT&T indicates that the pen-register (phone call records) and call-graph analysis is really just the tip of the iceberg. The equipment that the NSA installed in AT&T's main switching and routing centers is known, it is made by Naurus Inc. ...

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  26. Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially when the master of FUD is behind HD DVD...

  27. Godwin's law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You might wanna check this out. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/17050 6_b_Memorandum.htm [prisonplanet.com]

    Yeah, 'cos if there's one news site we can REALLY trust, it's Prisonplanet, the site that resulted from Alex Jones' realization that there's an awful lot of money to be made selling paranoia to tin foil hats. Tons of unresearched rumors presented as facts without any opportunity for critique. I know that a lot of crap makes it onto Slashdot but at least informed people get the opportunity to debunk it in the comments.

    Godwin's Law should apply to any post that uses Prisonplanet as a source. It's about as credible as Timecube or David Icke.

    1. Re:Godwin's law by Alsee · · Score: 1

      as credible as Timecube or David Icke.

      Here's the damn Presidential Executive Order in question. Published on the WhiteHouse.Gov website itself.


      The directive itself is rather opaque, reffering to 13(b)(3)(A) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended (15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A)), but reading those sections reveals that they do in fact say what it is claimed the directive says - that the President was granting the Director of National Intelligence the Presidential Authority to immunize companies from Securities Exchange laws that they can LIE TO THE PUBLIC and legally deny that they did what they did on National Security grounds.

      It seems that the remaining 29% who still support president Bush are suffering from some pretty severe cognitive dissonance.

      Cognitive Dissonace: "People who are involuntarily exposed to information that increases dissonance are likely to discount that information, either by ignoring it, misinterpreting it, or denying it.

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  28. Authorized lies? Could be. by martyb · · Score: 1
    You might wanna check this out. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/17050 6_b_Memorandum.htm It turns out, the President gave a memorandum telling the National Intelligence Director he could authorize companies to lie about dealings having to do with national security without being subject to penalties almost a week before the NSA shit really started hitting the fan.

    Thanks for that link! Want to do something about it? The referenced article states:

    But an[sic] presidential memorandum signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))

    Some googling found this link: U.S. Code collection: 78m. Periodical and other reports and the referenced section of the code states:

    (A) With respect to matters concerning the national security of the United States, no duty or liability under paragraph (2) of this subsection shall be imposed upon any person acting in cooperation with the head of any Federal department or agency responsible for such matters if such act in cooperation with such head of a department or agency was done upon the specific, written directive of the head of such department or agency pursuant to Presidential authority to issue such directives. Each directive issued under this paragraph shall set forth the specific facts and circumstances with respect to which the provisions of this paragraph are to be invoked. Each such directive shall, unless renewed in writing, expire one year after the date of issuance.

    (B) Each head of a Federal department or agency of the United States who issues a directive pursuant to this paragraph shall maintain a complete file of all such directives and shall, on October 1 of each year, transmit a summary of matters covered by such directives in force at any time during the previous year to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate.

    (emphasis: mine.)

    As I see it, these telecom companies could have been authorized to lie to the SEC, their shareholders, and the general public about their participation in this. How much will it take for people to realize what is going on... and do something about it? How about people contact the congressional members who are responsible for monitoring these activities? Wikipedia lists the members of these organizations and provides some background: Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives and Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate

  29. How does *that* work? by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AT&T has lost its '11th hour bid' to force closed hearings on unsealing critical documents

    First, why the hell didn't the EFF go public with their evidence first? Depending on the outcome of the case, we might never know whether they stumbled onto something "real", or just something trivial that the NSA could hypothetically abuse under a combination of unlikely circumstances.

    But aside from that...

    How exactly does the evidence remain under seal in an open court? Do all parties involved use vague allusions and a lot of wink-wink-nudge-nudge to refer to the evidence without revealing anything about it to the public? Do spectators swear not to reveal anything they see or hear (yeah, that would work - until about 30 seconds after the end of the first session)? Do the MiB use their magic flashing memory eraser any time someone mentions a detail under seal?



    So goddamned sick of all the secrets and lies. Who wants to join me in pushing for a constitutional amendment banning the use of secrecy or any form of "classified" designation (perhaps with a nonrenewable two-week-maximum exception for situations where revealing such information would directly threaten American lives)? Time to let these arrogant twats know who they work for!

  30. In tomorrows news by alteridem · · Score: 1
    "A commissioner for the FCC wants an investigation into whether or not phone companies broke the law by handing over their records to the NSA."

    In tomorrows news, FCC commissioner resigns after phone records of calls to his mistress were leaked by the NSA.

  31. .xxx delined for political reasons? by Burlap · · Score: 1

    ok, this just doesnt make any bloodly sence.... making a single domain for the slew of porn sites would make blocking them a painless task. One would think that the far right would love that idea.

    1. Re:.xxx delined for political reasons? by genner · · Score: 1
      ok, this just doesnt make any bloodly sence.... making a single domain for the slew of porn sites would make blocking them a painless task. One would think that the far right would love that idea.

      That's an understatment. James Dobson (Focus on the Family) and Larry Flint (Hustler) seem to have joined forces to stop this from happening. I'm scared..so very scared.

    2. Re:.xxx delined for political reasons? by quincunx55555 · · Score: 1

      Well, considering that most hard-core conservatives think that if you don't give condoms to kids that they won't have sex; they probably think that by providing ".xxx" that it will encourage people to make porn sites. Also, it'll be easier for youngsters to find porn since they can type virtually any phrase or word followed by .xxx . I know, how can you not find one anyway, but this is the hard-core conservatives' way of thinking (at least in my part of the U.S.).

      I really don't see what the big deal is. It's not like anyone is going to be able to tell all porn sites that they have to use .xxx, so it will be voluntary, and blocking might be a bit easier, but all of today's "porn site problems" will still exist.

  32. Read Rep. Conyer's report on Ohio by uqbar · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are concerned about the legitimacy of our democratic system it is worth looking at John Conyer's report on the irregulaties in Ohio's results - including three references to Diebold.

    It's about 100 pages long, covers a range of issues, including the machines, and is very objective.

    1. Re:Read Rep. Conyer's report on Ohio by popsicle67 · · Score: 1

      Nothing that weasel bastard Conyers says about a republican is true. He couldn't be objective with a gun to his head. In reality nobody knows what,if anything, may have gone wrong. Ohio was not the only place with voting irregularities, Washington's governor's race was decided by a judge that said evidence of even widespread vote tampering was not enough to call for a recount or revote. The winner there was a democrat with ties to the judge.

    2. Re:Read Rep. Conyer's report on Ohio by uqbar · · Score: 1

      At least you don't disagree that something went wrong. Regardless of whether or not one party or the other actually benefited, most citizens would be happier knowing that our votes are counted correctly.

      Right now that is in doubt. It's scary (and maybe telling) that so few politicians are taking this matter seriously.

  33. I wish it was half assed by spun · · Score: 1

    From what I've seen most of the world does things quarter or one tenth assed. I do things two thirds assed and I look good by comparison. ;-)

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  34. Danaher doesn't make voting machines by spun · · Score: 1

    How about some references to back that up? I find no mention of Danaher being a contributor to the Democrats. In fact, the news I read said that the way these machines were configured favored Bush. Also, I recall reading quite a bit more about problems with Diebold than Danaher.

    Danaher used to be known as Shooptronics, and I found searching on Shooptronics to be more relevant, as there are evidently several companies called Danaher that have nothing to do with voting. I suspect Faux News (or wherever you got this information) disengenously noted that "Danaher" donated to the Democrats, without noting that it was a different Danaher.

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  35. .XXX, why not restrict them to a different port by WatchTheTramCarPleas · · Score: 1

    I believe I read the idea somewhere else on slashdot, but why not simply restrict port servers to a special port? Then browsers could simply have an option to not allow sites using that port to send them a page. I do believe this would be significantly easier to impliment than .xxx, and would allow porn sites to keep thier domains. Of course my understanding of ports and thier functions might restrict me from seeing the problems with such a solution, or that this solution is simply too good to actualy become a law could easily prevent this from happening.

  36. Blu-Ray ARRRAHGH!!!! THIS PISSES ME OFF !!!! by squidy19 · · Score: 1

    This guy had a real story right under his friggin nose and chose to go for the HOME RUN instead of a tipple. Sony did not fake this demo TOTALLY but it was still a VERY UNFAIR DEMO. DVD+R has half the capacity of a normal DVD, so when the Sony rep said that they used a burned DVD to get the content the same so they could have an apples to apples comparison with a Blu-Ray disc they were full of s*$t. They used a burned DVD to make the Blu-Ray demo look better, and to make people think that "wow normal DVD looks like crap". Next time don't get so excited, post the actual news, because im sure that would have been just as interesting to the readers and we would be discussing the fact that Sony was using DVD+R to compare to Blu-Ray discs instead of discussing how much of an idiot you are.

    1. Re:Blu-Ray ARRRAHGH!!!! THIS PISSES ME OFF !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't have gone for the tipple either...

  37. capitalism and life or death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And because of this *huge* capitalist "profits" cost, this research should be publically funded (by the world) and then open sourced to the world, gratis, so then it can go into mass production once the tech is good enough to help billions of people. I say pay the researchers handsomely (perhaps a very large cash prize, like the various challenges), then set up publically operated non profit production facilities all over. This is just too important to leave to the usual gang of black suited greedsters to hold over the heads of suffering people who could be helped. Just like, for another timely example, avian flu research, it would be near total immoral to withold-keep expensive for some huge multi trillion dollar ransom-any good breakthroughs in a treatment or potential universal vaccine if the feared human to human deal broke out bigtime. Here's the capitalist scenario:

      "Sure, we here at bigpharmco got an avian flu cure pill..hmm, it's patented, trademarked, copyrighted, and seekrit..you understand, why we spent a lot of cash on this baby...capitalism you know..nuthin personal...just biznezz.. that'll be one million *per pill*, take it or leave it".

    That's what capitalism is. I would have to say..I couldn't support that at all....and would certainly not want to be those folks underwriters in such a situation either.... because they would be cruisin for a bruisin real quick like from..ohh, say, a few billion annoyed people who don't have a megalarge laying around in the spare cash poker coin jar.

    If governments can emminent domain seize some property to build some rich tards new screw-U-mart or a golf course or sports stadium "for the common good", then they sure as heck can emminent domain seize critical-emphasis on critical- medical research intellectual "property", but do it with care and fairness and generous recompensation, but NOT to the tune of a global mass transference of all or most of the wealth. That's nuts..insane, e-vile and stuff.

        I don't see creating a new class of global health patent overlords who literally get to decide who lives or dies is such a hot idea. We need to think this through again, are we as a species ready to go to the next step in societal evolution, or are we going to just stick with ..well, it's feudalism gussied up with corporate jets instead of royal carriages is all.

      We need to finally decide that healthcare for humans should be shared, the knowledege shared, and have it done at the best possible low cost so that it CAN be shared.

  38. Re:HEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > if the government didn't pacify the social outcasts, they'd have an uprising here to deal with as opposed to fighting wars in the middle east.

    yeah, you pretend like you and your underclass have any power.

    Historically, groups that have had uprisings have been depended on by those in power i.e., workers, members of occupied states with valuable resources, etc. Social outcasts do not have power. They don't have anything to offer civilized society. They could be bulldozed the ground if not for the compassion of the powerful.

    You should be thankful. And on another site, like FARK, where you would fit in.

  39. Thankful? by hackwrench · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'd rather be dead.

  40. Thankful? (2) by hackwrench · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    More precisely, if I'm really that useless to them, then they should quit beating around the bush and take me (and others like me) out.