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Peter Moore Talks PS3, Wii, Portable 360

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the everyone-wants-a-wii dept.

kukyfrope writes "Peter Moore recently led an intimate round-table discussion at E3 where journalists were allowed to pluck his brain on current industry issues. His comments cover PS3's high-price announcement, downplay rumors surrounding a portable Xbox, and actually admits he would like a Wii! 'Look, it's not partisan; I love what Nintendo is doing. They're in a different space.'"

132 comments

  1. With enemies like these, who needs friends? by roger6106 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With enemies like these, who needs friends?

    1. Re:With enemies like these, who needs friends? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With enemies like these, who needs friends?

      This is politics 101. You don't bash the people who have no chance of winning. You compliment them for their pluck, their uniqueness and their creativity. If later on it looks like they have a chance, you can bash them then.

      The reason: You look like a magnanimous good guy. Some of the good underdog vibes actually rub off on you. You're humanized.

      You risk little, because you know this guy is no competition anyway.

      Hell, people are talking about an Xbox _and_ a Wii or maybe a PS3 and a Wii. Nobody sees the Wii as their primary box. They don't take it seriously like they do the big boys. They like it, but they like as the quirky underdog sidekick and definitely not like the action hero. Microsoft and Sony are only complimenting Nintendo because they see Nintendo as zero threat.

      TW

      (real world example: Check some old tapes (or memory cells) for the first Perot/Clinton/H.W.Bush debate. Bush and Clinton both not only played softball with, but actually complemented Perot. Only later in the campaign as Perot's numbers started to climb did they start to challenge him. If this strategy is good enough for two presidents, then it's definitely good enough for Sony and Microsoft.)

    2. Re:With enemies like these, who needs friends? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't take it seriously like they do the overpriced boys.

      Fixed.

    3. Re:With enemies like these, who needs friends? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      Microsoft and Sony are only complimenting Nintendo because they see Nintendo as zero threat.

      Then they're not paying attention.

      As a business, Nintendo won the last round. The Wii hasn't even been released yet and the public anticipation for it even from non-Nintendo game fans grows with each passing week.

      Microsoft might be playing the nice guy now, but if they don't consider a high profile, unique and fun experience, with a lower price tag, higher set of quality launch titles, a fully compatible back catalog, and connectivity with the most popular game system (the DS), competitor as a threat, then the 360 will be round two of losses for Microsoft.

      You are probably right though. Sony and Microsoft probably don't see this coming because they probably think the Wii has to "BE" the primary box in order to "win". Here's the thing, if EVERYONE has chosen two, then the Wii and one of the other two, then the Wii "Wins".

      Or look at this another way. If only a small percentage of the people buy Wiis while most people buy either a PS3 or 360 while Nintendo continues to profit and the other two continue to pour rivers of money from their asses then Nintendo still wins.

      The Nintendo fans will always buy a Nintendo system. Nintendo knows their market and knows how to profit from it. That's what comes with a 20 year position in the game console industry. Sony is still an angry teen and Microsoft is still just a child.

      All the while the Wii is expected to perform exceptionally well compared to the Gamecube and possibly even the N64.

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    4. Re:With enemies like these, who needs friends? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is politics 101. You don't bash the people who have no chance of winning.

      Nope. You don't bash the people who SEEMINGLY have no chance of winning. It is the seeding and reinforcement of the idea that "this guy has no chance, see how we're treating him?"

      Mohandas Ghandi had a pretty good quote about this kind of treatment (which applies to all forms of politics, including publicity wars).

    5. Re:With enemies like these, who needs friends? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      You can't leave me hanging like that. Where's te Ghandi quote?

      TW

  2. Didn't RTFA by Golias · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wow. This sounds fascinating. Who's Peter Moore, and why should I care what he thinks about these three consoles?

    Learn to write a summary. Sheesh!

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    1. Re:Didn't RTFA by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you dont know who he is, you wouldn't care about the article anyway.

      He's a VP for Microsoft and is pretty much the go to guy for the 36nd Microsofts opinion on the gaming marketplace.

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    2. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. This sounds fascinating. Who's Peter Moore, and why should I care what he thinks about these three consoles?

      I believe he is the brother of Dennis Moore who coincidently enough had this comment on the price of the PS3:
      "That's a lot of lupins!"

    3. Re:Didn't RTFA by FirienFirien · · Score: 1

      Peter Moore is the "Corporate Vice President, Interactive Entertainment Business, Entertainment and Devices Division" - ie honcho in charge of xbox, xbox 360, and related gaming.

      http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/pmoore/def ault.mspx

      If you don't care, why post? The article is written for those people who do care and are interested in the area. If they don't know, it's easy to look up. Learn to either read articles that interest you, or don't comment. If it's interesting, then click the link; a summary is just a summary. If it's not interesting, then just move on rather than griping that just because you couldn't be bothered to click one link, you clicked the "reply" button, griped out a response, either selected 'plain old text' or formatted your reply with line breaks, and hit submit. One button is easier. If you're interested in consoles, you'll read the article anyway, and find out who he is. If you're not interested in consoles, then you don't care about the article's content anyway, and don't need to know who wrote it.

      Sheesh!

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    4. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another apologist for crummy summaries. Hey, by your logic, there's no point in having a summary at all; just post the title. The point of the summary is to give background on the article so people can decide if the article is worth reading. If you don't give enough information to make that decision (is Peter Moore a Microsoft VP or some random blogger?), you're writing a poor summary.

    5. Re:Didn't RTFA by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Your comment is highly incorrect.

      I don't know who he is (well, I do now... but I will forget (again)) but I am interested in any interviews with industry insiders discussing the future of console gaming.

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    6. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What kind of asinine logic is that? If I don't know who someone is yet, I can't care about what he has to say? That would work real well in journalism: "Man axe-murders his family, but you probably don't know him, so you wouldn't care to hear about it."

    7. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't care, why post?

      You missed the point of the parent poster. He didn't say that he didn't care, he was basically saying that without any context on Moore, he didn't know if he should care what Moore had to say. So if Moore was some French cab driver then he wouldn't care what his opinions are, but if he was an exec at Microsoft, then he might (or is it the other way around :)

      As for those who way "just google it", it's funny how peoples responses are to waste more time and resources when all it takes is for the submitter to stick three words into their summary:

      Efficient way:

      What: Submitter sticks "VP at Microsoft" in front of Peter Moore.
      Cost: Extra 30 bytes or so (assuming UCS2 transfer)

      Way that /.'ers seem to want him to do:

      What: Have user do google search for "Peter Moore"
      Cost: (Submit to Google for "Peter Moore" (assuming most efficient use, i.e. not going to Google home page first) + Google Processor time to fulfill query + whole page of results transfered back + users time to actually do this)

    8. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's Microsoft? Unless the summary explains I won't bother reading the article.

    9. Re:Didn't RTFA by falcon5768 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      actually my comment is very correct. IF you dont know who the head of the 360 is, why would you care about what he was saying about the Wii or the PS3.

      The fact stands that if you dont know who he is, then you are clueless into the industry as a whole and thus have a lot more reading up to do before you even begin to understand what was posted. Main problem being you would have no clue and thus would be easily swayed by what he said because your a idiot to the facts.

      Its the main problem with Journalism today too. Too much of somebodys opinion, not enough facts.

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    10. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wow. This sounds fascinating. Who's Peter Moore, and why should I care what he thinks about these three consoles?

      Would you like us to wipe your ass after you're finished shitting as well, sir?
    11. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Your logic continues to be deficient.

      IF you dont know who the head of the 360 is, why would you care about what he was saying about the Wii or the PS3.
      I don't know the name of the 360 project head, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't care what he has to say about consoles.

      The fact stands that if you dont know who he is, then you are clueless into the industry as a whole and thus have a lot more reading up to do before you even begin to understand what was posted.
      Sorry, console fanboy, but not knowing Peter Moore's name has jack squat to do with understanding what he has to say.

      Main problem being you would have no clue and thus would be easily swayed by what he said because your a idiot to the facts.
      If I didn't know he was the head of the 360, I wouldn't be "easily swayed" by him, because I wouldn't care what he thinks. If I did know he was the head of the 360, I wouldn't be "easily swayed" by him because he works for Microsoft. FYI: not knowing someone's name doesn't make someone an idiot nor render them incapable of rational though. You, however, seem to be incapable of it. Ass.
    12. Re:Didn't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such devastating sarcasm! Such incisive wit! I am hoist by my own petard.

      The fact remains that of the audience consisting of people interested in gaming consoles, there are far, far fewer who know who Peter Moore is than know who Microsoft is.

    13. Re:Didn't RTFA by toolie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      actually my comment is very correct. IF you dont know who the head of the 360 is, why would you care about what he was saying about the Wii or the PS3.

      The difference is as plain as "Some homeless guy comments on the next-gen consoles" and "Head of the 360 gives his take on next-gen consoles". Even if I don't know who he is, at least he can give more insight than some schmuck off the street. I know the position "head of 360 devlopment" or whatever, but couldn't give a crap less about the name of the person in the position. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in the industry.

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    14. Re:Didn't RTFA by VJ42 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      How can a post titled "Didn't RTFA" be modded up to +5, Insightful? The moderation system is really really broken; it should be modded to "-1, go and RTFA before commenting".

      Wait, this is slashdot, who am I kidding no one reads the article.

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    15. Re:Didn't RTFA by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      Way that /.'ers seem to want him to do:

      What: Have user do google search for "Peter Moore"
      Cost: (Submit to Google for "Peter Moore" (assuming most efficient use, i.e. not going to Google home page first) + Google Processor time to fulfill query + whole page of results transfered back + users time to actually do this)

      Or he could just RTFA

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    16. Re:Didn't RTFA by joschm0 · · Score: 0

      All I needed to read was the first three words "Microsoft's Peter Moore". I can infer what the rest of the article says.

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    17. Re:Didn't RTFA by richie2000 · · Score: 1
      Wait, this is slashdot, who am I kidding no one reads the article.

      Exactly, and that's probably why the parent post was modded insightful.

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    18. Re:Didn't RTFA by Quino · · Score: 1

      by that logic, then why have summaries instead of just numbers you click on to read articles? "hmm, let's see if article AB765-RH is interesting, I wonder what it's about!"

      I think he's got a legitimate gripe; the person who wrote the summary foolishly assumed that most or all readers would know who Peter Moore is. It'd work with Mother Theresa, but not with some exec no one has heard about (and unless they just decapitated their family and drank their blood, domintating world news for a week, it's probably a safe assumtion for *any* exec from any company). Geez, just use "MS Exec" (in addition or in lieu of "Peter Moore") would have been enough -- it's not much to ask for!

      It's one thing to hear slashdotters lament the sometimes shoddy journalistic practices in this website, it's quite another to hear people defending shoddy journalistic practices.

      Amazing.

    19. Re:Didn't RTFA by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      I think he's got a legitimate gripe; the person who wrote the summary foolishly assumed that most or all readers would know who Peter Moore is.

      I certainly didn't know who Peter Moore was either, however the summary makes it clear he's an important person in the first sentance. To find out who he was and why he was important I read the article; IMO the OP should have done the same.

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    20. Re:Didn't RTFA by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Main problem being you would have no clue and thus would be easily swayed by what he said because your a idiot to the facts.

      When you call someone an idiot through a written form of communication, you probably should have better grammar than a first grader. I swear I'm not a grammar Nazi, but I've seen more than enough instances of "your a idiot" than I can stand. I guess that's what I get for playing Counter-Strike.

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    21. Re:Didn't RTFA by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      What if that homeless guy on the street turned out to be FROM THE FUTURE! Then you'd care! Ohh yess... He just might know a thing or two!

      I do admit we don't see that very often...

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    22. Re:Didn't RTFA by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      I've seen many posts from you- I know you've been around for a while.

      You claim to be interested in interviews with industry insiders.

      There is no possible way that you don't know who Peter Moore is.

      Not only is he the current head of the Xbox division at Microsoft, but previously he was the COO in charge of video game operations for Sega North America.

      A Google search for 'Peter Moore Xbox' has 2.1 million results.
      A Google search for 'Shigeru Miyamoto Nintendo' has 1.3 million results.

      He's a big deal. I'm guessing his apartment even smells of mahogany and leather bound books.

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    23. Re:Didn't RTFA by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I've seen many posts from you- I know you've been around for a while.

      drinkypoo's Latest 24 of 14043 Comments

      You are not kidding - this must be some sort of record. Shit man, you could have designed and built a wii yourself if you harnessed the time you spent commenting...

    24. Re:Didn't RTFA by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm bad with names. I don't remember names of people who I don't personally know until I've heard them umpteen hojillion times, because I'd rather not spend the effort. If their name is important enough to me, I'll remember it. Microsoft is not that important to me in gaming (sure I have an Xbox; I have like three games for it, and mostly it plays my media) so I don't remember his name like Miyamoto, Carmack, who have you. I seem to recall seeing his name a couple times, I guess, but I don't remember these things. It's not like he's a game developer, why would I care who he is? I just want to know what he has to say.

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  3. Kudos for trying? by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA:
    Look I was there when Iwata-san pulled out that thing [the Wii]. I was there in the front row in Tokyo... and I said [to myself] "You've got to give 'em kudos for trying."

    Is it just me, or does he come off as a really egotistical jackass in that line? You have to give them kudos for trying? We'll see if he can maintain that smarmy attitude when the Wii wipes the floor with the 360 in total sales.

    1. Re:Kudos for trying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I suspect that Microsoft and Sony's endorsement of the Wii is entirely based on the fear of what this system represents. Basically, if the Wii is successful (we'll say successful on the scale of the Nintendo DS) Microsoft and Sony will have competition from a system which has much lower game development cost, is cheaper for the consumer, and is virtually impossible to port games from; you could port a game designed for the Wii to the other platforms but it would be very clunky on a conventional controller.

      The message that Sony and Microsoft want everyone to hear is the Wii will provide you with some amazing games but you'll still need our system to play most of the games you already like. Whether this is true or not has yet to be demonstrated. What they are afraid of is that the Wii will become successful, third party developers will abandon their systems for the Wii, and that (unlike Nintendo) they lack the Fist Party IP (and dedicated fanbase) needed to survive.

    2. Re:Kudos for trying? by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But isn't Nintendo "trying" a new control system? As it hasn't even been released yet I'm not sure what else he should say. Give them kudos for doing?

      I think its great they are trying a new controller as the basic control pad hasn't had any major changes since the original Nintendo. There have been some changes in shape, some extra buttons, vibrating, etc but nothing really revolutionary (more evolutionary) Though motion/positioning control systems have been produced before, its never been as a primary control system for a console like this. It has great potential, but we just don't know how it will all turn out yet so "try" does seem pretty fitting.

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    3. Re:Kudos for trying? by Jarlsberg · · Score: 1

      You can look at it that way, and sure, then it sounds pretty arrogant. However, knowing that Nintendo doesn't have the resources of Sony and Microsoft, and can't afford to take the hit they're taking wrt. the relatively low price of the Xbox 360 and PS3 and the hefty tech inside the consoles. So he gives them kudos for trying something entirely different, using cheaper tech and not doing highres. In that light, it doesn't really seem that arrogant.

    4. Re:Kudos for trying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Wow, I think people have gotten used to the name, when there's a line about Iwata PULLING OUT HIS WII and no one's commenting on it.

    5. Re:Kudos for trying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You underestimate nintendo and their 4 billion dollars in CASH in the bank.

    6. Re:Kudos for trying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      What do you mean that Nintendo doesn't have the resources of Sony and Microsoft, and can't afford to take the hit they're taking?

      Nintendo has pulled in about a Billion dollars profit every year for the entire last generation; at the begining of this generation it was reported that Nintendo had liquid assets that were greater than 8 Billion dollars. What this means is that Nintendo (if they wished) could have produced the PS3, sold it for $199, and still had a couple of Billion dollars left over to bribe developers to produce exclusive games.

      Why hasn't Nintendo done this?

      They didn't do this because (unlike Microsoft, and to a lesser extent Sony) they do not believe that it is a sustainable path. Nintendo doesn't believe that it is healty for the company, or the market as a whole, to lose $100+ just to get your system in the door.

    7. Re:Kudos for trying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, Nintendo is still small fry compared to Sony and MS.

  4. is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, god by Aeron65432 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Peter Moore (Born 1956 in Liverpool, England) is the head of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division, which includes the Xbox and Xbox 360 game consoles.

    Moore holds a bachelor's degree from Keele University, England, and a master's degree from California State University, Long Beach.

    After working for Patrick USA, the U.S. subsidiary of the popular French sportswear company, and then Reebok, Peter Moore rose to prominence at Sega, being a heavy figure in the company's North American operations during the Dreamcast era. Moore played a pivotal role in the company's decision to change its business strategy to become a platform-agnostic software publisher. At the time of leaving Moore was president and COO of SEGA of America.

    Microsoft hired Moore in 2003 to join the Xbox project, where he has been ever since.

    Peter Moore has shown off his Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto 4 tattoos when announcing the games. Both tattoos are quite real as shown in a GearLive interview.

  5. No kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wouldn't be that much harder to add one word and say "Microsoft's Peter Moore", as TFA did.

  6. Consoles by thebdj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how in these comments where they kiss Nintendo's backside, they always point to their own console. I actually think Sony's comment was a bit more "negative" since they referred to the Wii as a "second console." Personally, I still think you are going to get a great deal of budget minded gamers who will purchase the Wii as a "first" or "only" console and wait for the prices of the PS3 and 360 to drop to more reasonable levels.

    I have never rushed into a high priced console. The first console I purchased myself was a PSX when it was either $99 or $129...the next one was a launch system, the Dreamcast, with the always friendly price point of $199. I eventually bought a used PS2 from a friend at work for $150. This include the broadband adapter, at least two (maybe three) controllers, 5 or 6 games (two of which I sold to make back almost $30 of my money), a memory card, and one of the adapters to allow for more then two people to play.

    Now, if the Wii comes in at $249 or less, I can all but guarantee it will be purchased at launch. I have always thought Nintendo had some great games and believe their consoles are one of the best (if not the best) for parties. I mean even regular Mario games can have some party fun, but with Mario Party and Smash Brothers...not to mention those moments of fun that were Dr. Mario on the N64...you really have to hand it to Nintendo.

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    1. Re:Consoles by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 1

      "I love how in these comments where they kiss Nintendo's backside, they always point to their own console."

      It's an old rhetorical strategy: act like Nintendo is so beneath your notice as a competitor that you can afford to indulge them. The way Sony and Microsoft see it, they're currently regarded as the forerunners in this generation, with Wii retaining Nintendo's "kiddie" reputation among hardcore gamers. So they take pains to reinforce that perception: they paint Wee as a fun toy, but not as real competition.

      Of course, they're probably partly right. Nintendo ISN'T aiming for the "hardcore" demographic specifically; they seem to be trying to pull an iPod and make a nerdy gadget into a trendy accessory. Here's hoping they succeed; gamers could certainly use the added cultural cache, and Nintendo games do tend to be genuinely FUN in a way few others even attempt.

    2. Re:Consoles by RM6f9 · · Score: 1

      Spot on - the Wii, at or under $250, will be my first and only new console purchase since the N64.

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    3. Re:Consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nintendo ISN'T aiming for the "hardcore" demographic

      Nintendo is always aiming for the hardcore demographic. Just not the hardcore demographic you're thinking of. I'm so hardcore that I own a Virtual Boy. I still have a working NES. I have one of each Nintendo system (not including re-issued consoles and with the exception of the Color Gameboy). I will buy a Wii.

      I own a PSX (original form-factor) because of Final Fantasy 8's inability to run under early PSX emulators without significant glitches that made it unplayable. That's the only non-Nintendo system I own. I won't buy an Xbox360. I won't buy a PS3.

      I have 3 NES, 8 SNES, 5 Gameboy, 3 Virtual Boy, 20 Nintendo64, 5 Gameboy Advance, 25 Gamecube, and 8 NintendoDS games. (That list should tell you my approximate age by when I became employable.) I have 5 PSX games. I'm no slouch in buying games, but I'm not a complete "gotta have a new game this month" freak. I'll probably end up with another few Gamecube games, and probably quite a few Wii games by the end of the Wii's lifetime. And I'll still have 0 Xbox360 and 0 PS3 games.

      I'm a hardcore Nintendo fanboy by some definitions. I'm actually just more interested in games that are fun regardless of the flash and glamour and the perceived boost in social status from owning them. Games aren't about penis-waving and proving your manliness, they're about enjoying what spare time you have between work, sleep, house chores (and maintenance, ugh), volunteer work (for charities and such), and a social life.

      So what you really meant was, "Nintendo isn't aiming for the immature high school brat demographic".

  7. What a salesman by Miraba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm definitely not a MS fan, but Moore definitely knows how to sell the 360: appear like an affable everyman and make the system appear accessable to all of the other everymen. Talking about playing games with his son and how he wants a Wii is the right move; no "The PS3 is actually really cheap" here.

    1. Re:What a salesman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a salesman

      You mean Zonk?

  8. Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Peter Moore interviews used to be the source much amusement with their idiocy, but the schtick is getting old.

    Isn't it time for Microsoft to hire people who aren't fucking morons to run their Xbox stuff?

    Peter needs to answer the real questions console players want to know:

    1) The news that the HD protection bit means that all PS3 support HD/1080p BluRay movies right out of the box for both the 499 and 599 versions. The 360 does not support 1080p and forces you to buy a oh so popular console item 'the add on'. The 360 right now looks overpriced and clunky for anyone who wants to watch HD movies with it 399 + how much for the HD-DVD strap on pack?

    2) Have you officially given up on BC? Can we all stop waiting around for updates?

    3) Come clean on your graphics requirements. Are you going to lower the 720p resolution limit so developers can run at lower resolutions like PGR3 so we aren't plagued with all these screentearing and lowframe rate games. And perhaps we will finally get decent AA and AF texturing.

    4) What is up with the defects. The stories of people who are on their FIFITH 360s are out there - pretending like there isn't a problem is not helping. I know large numbers of people who holding off buying a 360 because they keep hearing the horror stories and are pissed off that Microsoft isn't coming clean about the problems.

    5) What is going to happen with the fee for online play. Both Sony and Nintendo have confirmed free online play for games. Yet right now Microsoft is still charging 50 bucks a year. That adds 2-300 bucks to the console over the next four to five years. Are you going to drop the price to keep up with Sony and Nintendo. And if you do, what about those of us who have been paying for months?

    6) Are you going to drop one of the versions? If BC really is dead then lots of people would go out and buy Cores since a lot of people I know don't really care about demos, they just want to play games. Either make the harddrive required and fully used by developers or don't. One or the other.

    It has taken six fucking months to outsell Sony's old console in the Xbox's strongest territory, the time to get your act together Peter is long past. The 360 is ontrack to sell less than four million consoles worldwide this year. No one gives a shit about your retarded interviews, people want real answers.

    1. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by ironwill96 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1) As TFA says, why bother including functionality that consumers may not want and jacking up your price because of it (see Sony). Also, the HD Protection Bit has been going back and forth on if it is a 1-year hiatus or until 2010, I have yet to see anything definite stating one way or another. Regardless, I wouldn't trust the MPAA to let it be HDCP free until 2010 - you'll just shoot yourself in the foot if you do.

      2) By BC i'm going to hazard a guess you mean background content updates for Xbox Live? It is still in the works and coming eventually, yeah its been delayed a bunch but it doesnt seem relevant to this topic.

      3) PGR3 looks pretty good to me when i've played it for several hours, not sure which version you are looking at. When you compare it to actual consoles that are out there (Gamecube and PS2), sure does look a lot better. But maybe you are comparing it to "coming soon" consoles?

      4) I've heard of overheating but not of some massive defects, wouldn't this be in some of the regular gaming news sites if there were (IGN, Gamespy etc)?

      5) Xbox Live has always been different than what Sony and Nintendo have been doing in the online arena (which is a whole lot of nothing atm). Sony's service probably won't have the same functionality as Xbox Live - which will now run cross-platform gaming with Windows gamers (big plus), have same tag and friends list across platforms, and you know that every game that you buy that is Live-enabled - which I think all 360 games are required to have at least friends list functionality included - will work in the same fashion and work well. Without an integrated system, if you leave it up to each publisher it will be a mess and not nearly as useful as what Microsoft has come up with. This is one area where I think Microsoft has been kicking the tail of Sony and Nintendo - people want multiplayer gaming, co-op experiences, and also love earning "achievements" (just look at BF2's popular badge system which is why many still play almost a year after release).

      6) Expect to see the Core version dropped this fall and price drop on the premium version (just my strong theory and that of many gaming mags). Are you still whining about background content or is BC something else? Please don't use acronyms that aren't clearly defined by context. Thanks.

      Yeah, so PS2 still sells a lot - b/c you can get one for $100 now and it has a bazillion games. Also, what would the 360's sell numbers have been if they actually had millions in stock on store shelves instead of there being constant supply shortages?

      And oh yeah, if you're going to rant at least have the courtesy to login instead of being a typical AC (Anonymous Coward). And a note, i'm planning on buying a Nintendo Wii first and foremost so i'm not a Microsoft Fanboy. I currently own a Gamecube and Xbox and played a PS2 for about a year before I wanted to claw my eyes out from the total lack of anti-aliasing capabilities on that console.

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    2. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "5) Xbox Live has always been different than what Sony and Nintendo have been doing in the online arena (which is a whole lot of nothing atm). Sony's service probably won't have the same functionality as Xbox Live - which will now run cross-platform gaming with Windows gamers (big plus), have same tag and friends list across platforms, and you know that every game that you buy that is Live-enabled - which I think all 360 games are required to have at least friends list functionality included - will work in the same fashion and work well. Without an integrated system, if you leave it up to each publisher it will be a mess and not nearly as useful as what Microsoft has come up with. This is one area where I think Microsoft has been kicking the tail of Sony and Nintendo - people want multiplayer gaming, co-op experiences, and also love earning "achievements" (just look at BF2's popular badge system which is why many still play almost a year after release)."

      And that is supposed to be worth 50 dollars a year? I don't think so. I never thought about how expensive it is if you have to pay for it for five years. That is 250 bucks just to keep being able to play online. Whenever an Xbox owner starts talking about online services their arms start waving around wildly...

      No console owners care a bit about Windows online gaming.

      No one but people desperate to hype Microsoft's online system care about the "achievements" gimmicks.

      So far Sony's online service looks like it is going to leave Microsoft in the dust, we will see how it pans out come November. 499 PS3 or 399 360 + 250 bucks to play online + 100? bucks just to play movies? Easy choice.

      Regardless, Wii is where it's at. Probably will be buying a PS3 middle of next year now that the 499 PS3 looks like a good deal. Maybe later, the Wii will be all I need for single and online gaming for months.

    3. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by revlayle · · Score: 1

      BC = Backwards Compatibility

    4. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      Hey! The AnonymousSonyTroll is back! Nice to see those basically copy/paste rants again! It'd been a few articles since I'd seen you post this stuff. Nice to see you are still around as I was starting to get worried something happened to you.

      Glad to see you back at it! Keep trollin brother!

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    5. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by ironwill96 · · Score: 1

      "No console owners care a bit about Windows online gaming."

      Darn, guess me and several of my friends count as "no console owners" since we each own 2 or more consoles and all are also avid windows gamers who wish we could play cross-platform with those console gamers who (like you apparently) solely play consoles. Sometimes a keyboard and mouse feel like the best control scheme and other times I love control pads.

      As far as $50 a year not being worth it, I think it is or else I wouldn't pay for it. Having an integrated system is worth it to me. Yes, it would be great for it to be cheaper or even free but I do understand that bandwidth costs money - just try running a few popular files on a website that get downloaded a few times - you'll pay out the wazoo for bandwidth costs if you start getting a lot of traffic.

      No one cares about achievements? Guess those hundreds of thousands of gamers who are trying to earn as many as possible are wrong. Gabe and Tycho of the oft-lauded-by-Slashdot-readers do as well. Lets see, achievements are like Badges in BF2 which make that game continue to be fun, they are also just like badges in City of Heroes/Villains which is the entire reason some people play! They try to earn every badge just because they can. Now, for me, its not as big a deal but I do feel like i've accomplished something when I get an achievement or badge unlocked. Its like a way of having persistent character advancement in any type of game, instead of just RPGs.

      It's fine if you don't like something, but stop trying to speak for the entire world with blanket statements that don't contain as much truth as you like to present.

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    6. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Derekloffin · · Score: 1
      4) I've heard of overheating but not of some massive defects, wouldn't this be in some of the regular gaming news sites if there were (IGN, Gamespy etc)?

      IGN actually has reported this. Apparently darn near every Xbox 360 at the IGN offices has failed. Unfortunately, it's an insider article so I can't directly link. Apparently it is Roundtable 159.

      That said, maybe IGN is a bad place for Xbox 360 for some reason, but either way it has been reported.

    7. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "IGN actually has reported this. Apparently darn near every Xbox 360 at the IGN offices has failed. Unfortunately, it's an insider article so I can't directly link. Apparently it is Roundtable 159.

      That said, maybe IGN is a bad place for Xbox 360 for some reason, but either way it has been reported."

      One of two things has to be true about the Xbox 360:

      1) The defect rate is enormous

      2) Demand for the console is unprecedentedly low

      If you look at last month's console sales the 360 sold only 290k consoles. That is an amazingly low number for a console that was supposedly so severely supply constrained for six straight months. Capacity was supposed to doubled or tripled and the market was supposed to be flooded with 360s. The 360 should be selling in the 500k to 1M a month range right now if it is going to have any chance of outselling the first Xbox.

      The number of people talking about going through 3, 4, 5 360s is unlike any console before.
      I've heard people who work for shipping companies talking about seeing unprecedented numbers of 360s going back and forth to Microsoft.
      Going all the way back to the reports of crashing 360s at kiosks, even if Microsoft doesn't want to admit the problem, if it walks and talks like a duck...

    8. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      I've never seen this particular point as an actual "big plus"...

      Xbox Live has always been different than what Sony and Nintendo have been doing in the online arena (which is a whole lot of nothing atm). Sony's service probably won't have the same functionality as Xbox Live - which will now run cross-platform gaming with Windows gamers (big plus)

      That sounds kind of neat, until you start getting your ass severly owned by mouse-toting PC gamers. In fact it makes the console's control scheme shortcomings glaringly obvious if you ask me. Halo PC player vs Halo xbox player? eeeccchhh. That's not even fair.

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    9. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      The 360 right now looks overpriced and clunky for anyone who wants to watch HD movies with it 399 + how much for the HD-DVD strap on pack?

      Because the core 360 package is just as upgradeable at the premium package, you should be using $299 as the base price.

      Estimates for the price of the HD-DVD drive add-on I've heard are around $200. So $299+$200 = $499 for a 360 with HD-DVD capabilities. That's competitive with standalone HD-DVD players out there, plus you get a next-gen gaming system. Plus you get free integration with your Media Center PC, if you have one.

      The stories of people who are on their FIFITH 360s are out there - pretending like there isn't a problem is not helping.

      The people telling those stories are vastly outnumbered by people who have never had any problems with their 360s. It's just that satisfied users generally don't take to the Internets to passionately register their satisfaction.

      You know, if you break a product once, it's probably faulty. If you break it four times in a row, you're probably doing something to cause it.

      Also: what is 'BC'? You refer to it more than once in your questioning, but I don't know what you're referring to.

    10. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to shill, surely you can do better than that. It's so obvious. The other AC comments are clearly also yours as well.

    11. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And thank you for validating my numbers by trying to mod them down instead of providing your own.

      And it looks like I am underestimating the HD-DVD drive add on, it sounds like it will cost about 200 bucks.

      That means you are paying around 700 bucks for a less capable and massively weaker console with the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3.

      And we already know that Microsoft isn't planning on having a price drop. Feel free to post your own numbers, although the only number that really can be of debate is how much the HD-DVD add on is going to be.

    12. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      Actually, there was a video interview on XBox Live Marketplace IIRC with the people who are making the new Shadorun game (I know I know, it's not Shadowrun but some perverted version of it), and they regularly have matches where it's console players versus PC players (Shadowrun will launch on Vista with Live Anywhere, the Live PC/Xbox/Mobile they are working on) and apparently the PC players were getting owned regularly by the console players. They had to tweak the game so that PC players had a chance.

      So it will be interresting to see if that's really the case when the game comes out.

    13. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, it sold more consoles than the PS2. :p

    14. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by grenz · · Score: 1

      numbers are cheap but your posts are priceless!

      so will you ever explain you love affair with the PS3?

    15. Re:Desperately Trying To Appear Hip And Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HD protection is put off until 2010... Check google.

      You sound like a fanboi... Its true...

      The supply shortage "could" be nothing but a ploy to make it popular
      as well...

  9. Pot calling the kettle black by casualsax3 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    FTA: Look I was there when Iwata-san pulled out that thing [the Wii]. I was there in the front row in Tokyo... and I said [to myself] "You've got to give 'em kudos for trying."

    This seems like something Iwata should be saying in regards to the Xbox losing Microsoft 4 billion dollars.

  10. Wii is in a "different space"? by PoderOmega · · Score: 1

    No, the Wii is not in a "different space" I think Sony and Microsoft keep saying that to convince us that it is true. Well people, you don't have to listen. It is possible that someone could own just a Wii and be happy? YES!

    1. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by joe+155 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to disagree with you about the "different space bit". For me it is. The Wii is in the space of "interesting innovative gaming which is accessable for users who don't currently play games and yet has enough flexability and depth to keep hard-core gamers comming back for more - with downloadable content to get all the retro gamers into the fold too"... That seems like a pretty different place to "we are expensive; but hell, you're idiots and you'll buy anything - even if its $600"

      I've had loads of different games machines over the years and with the exception of the Amega 500 (which was when i was like 6 and I was also pretty much that excited about my transformer and a toy car aswell) I don't think I've ever wanted games machine

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    2. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      No, the Wii is not in a "different space"

      Oh, it is:

      The WiiiiIIIIiiiiiiiIIiiiiii is in a space where people from all walks want one and can propably afford it.

      The PS3 and 360 are in a space where people with $5k TVs want them and can afford them.

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    3. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by revlayle · · Score: 1

      now now...

      360s are more than likely for people who own $3K TVs

    4. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They keep saying that because they desperately need for it to be true. If developers come up with hard and edgy games for the Wii or good sports / racing titles that take advantage of the controller, then they'll steal the core markets for the Xbox 360 and PS3.

      As long as Sony & MS can convince everybody that the Wii is for kids and non-gamers, then they'll keep the genres that appeal to the hardcore exclusively their consoles. However, I think the day that some smart developer thinks of how to use the Wii controller for a first person shooter is the day that console FPS games like Halo become irrelevant.

      The only games that can't migrate to the Wii are games that depend on having pretty, pretty graphics for much of their appeal, like the mainline Final Fantasy games or games like Shadow of the Colossus. The Wii isn't even trying for graphics success.

      The Wii will change forever the face of console gaming. I can't wait for the next generation when the Wii's control features get married to the graphics power of the current generation.

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    5. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by jizziknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, yes...and no. They're all technically gaming consoles (though Sony is clearly more committed to the PS3 being a blu-ray player), so yes, they're all in the same space, and are therefore competing products. But at the same time, the Wii is a totally different concept/experience/strategy than the other two. And Nintendo has also said that they don't view the 360 and PS3 as competition, but this can be attributed to the fact that the Wii has a completely different target market. However it's secondary market is the same as the 360's and PS3's target market. The Wii may not be directly competing with the 360 and PS3, but it will still have an effect on their sales.

      The way I see it, Microsoft is trying to downplay the Wii by saying that you can get a 360 and still have some money left over to get a Wii. This is also a strategy against the PS3, since (assuming certain things about the Wii's and 360's future pricing) you'll be able to buy both a 360 and a Wii for relatively the same cost of a PS3 (as has been said many times over). I think this is a good strategy for Microsoft. Let's say Mr. Jones has budgeted $600 for a next-gen gaming system (not including any extras or games) this Christmas for his family. He can:

      1) Buy a PS3. This covers his own 'hardcore' needs, but leaves something to be desired from his wife and younger kids. He also misses out on the consistently fun Nintendo franchises as well as the 360 exclusives. He also loses points with the rest of the family because he bought something the majority of the family probably won't enjoy, and spent a lot of money doing it.

      2) Buy a 360. Pretty much the same as #1. It satisfies his 'hardcore' side, but not everyone else. He still loses points with the family, but hasn't spent as much money doing it.

      3) Buy a Wii. The wife and kids enjoy it, they have fun as a family, and Dad scores major points for both buying a fun-for-the-whole-family console and not spending a whole lot of money. He however sacrifices pleasing his 'hardcore' side.

      4) Buy a 360 and a Wii. He covers all his bases. He gets 'hardcore' games as well as the Nintendo franchises, pleases the entire family, including himself, and since the wife and kids are happy, the amount of money he spent pales in comparison. He also gets access to over 2/3 of the available games, since most games will be written for both the 360 and PS3, if not all three consoles.

      If you were Mr. Jones, with a wife and a few kids of varying ages, which would you choose? I know I'd be going with #4. #3 if I wanted to spend the extra on something special for the wife, and score major pu...er... points.

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    6. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      The only games that can't migrate to the Wii are games that depend on having pretty, pretty graphics for much of their appeal, like the mainline Final Fantasy games or games like Shadow of the Colossus.

      What an odd comment... while both games look great for what they are, FF is popular for its turn-based combat, and SotC is popular for its incredibly engaging storyline and art direction. Why can't those go to the Wii? (I admit I cannot see how you would play SotC with that remote-wand...)

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    7. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      what does 'hardcore' mean?

      unless you mean "graphics better than previous consoles but not as good as high end PCs ('super-hardcore')" then this 'hardcore' stuff is just more marketing BS.

    8. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 2, Informative

      >I think the day that some smart developer thinks of how to use the Wii controller for a first person shooter is the day that console FPS games like Halo become irrelevant.

      there will be at least 2 at launch: Red Steel and Metroid.

    9. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by jizziknight · · Score: 1

      That's why I put it in quotes. It means too many different things to too many different people. Personally, I consider a 'hardcore' gamer to be someone that plays games almost constantly and excels at most games they play. Not someone who plays ZOMGHALO all the time, per the seemingly more common definition. To me a 'hardcore' gamer could just as easily play Tetris for hours on end as they could play Halflife 2 or WoW.

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    10. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by the+dark+hero · · Score: 1
      The only games that can't migrate to the Wii are games that depend on having pretty, pretty graphics for much of their appeal, like the mainline Final Fantasy games or games like Shadow of the Colossus.

      the only reason the wii can't have a game like shadow of the colossus is because sony makes it. the gamecube has the graphics capabilities to take on the PS2 and the wii has some potential for some very sweet graphics. there is no reason why it shouldn't be able to pull out beautiful looking games. it's all depending on who untaps the power of the system.

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    11. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      No, the Wii is not in a "different space"

      Well they will be; the Wiiiiiiiiiiii! will be in my living room, the other two won't. ;p

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    12. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      so why is MS and Sony associated with 'hardcore' and not Nintendo? I've had 8+ hours Super Smash Bros. sessions on my GameCube with friends

    13. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by jizziknight · · Score: 1

      Just following the assumed general consensus. Even though I have a particular view of what 'hardcore' might mean, and however correct I may be, people are still are not going to see the Wii as being a 'hardcore' system. I'm also making a slight jab at the people who think that way. But we've gone a bit offtopic here. Let's move along.

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    14. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      What an odd comment... while both games look great for what they are, FF is popular for its turn-based combat, and SotC is popular for its incredibly engaging storyline and art direction. Why can't those go to the Wii? (I admit I cannot see how you would play SotC with that remote-wand...)

      I think you're the first person I've ever met to claim that the combat system is why people play Final Fantasy. People play Final Fantasy games typically for the storyline and the visuals, and ever since FF7 (or arguably FF3j for NES or FF6 for SNES), Square has consistently set the bar higher and higher on graphics quality in their games. It's part of the branding of the franchise. "You thought that the last FF game looked good? I'll bet you can't wait to see the next."

      Square is already showing off FFXIII for PS3. They can't backslide to Wii-level graphics. They're committed to the PS3 / Xbox 360 level of graphics. They can make side games like FF: Crystal Chronicles or repackaged old games for the Wii, but the Final Fantasy brand is solidly on the track of PS3 or better graphics.

      As for SotC, it's solidly pushing the envelope of what the PS2 is capable of. I admittedly haven't seen Twilight Princess, but to date no GameCube game has ever impressed me with its graphics compared to the shiniest PS2 and Xbox games. The Wii will be roughly a generation behind in graphics capabilities, and SotC sold itself almost entirely on ambienance and breathtaking artwork. (The gameplay's pretty good too.) On the PS3 and Xbox 360 raise the bar on what breathtaking artwork is, games that rely on it for impact will not go to the Wii, for better or for worse.

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    15. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Quino · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to suspect that "hardcore" is America's answer to the Japanese "super magic fun time" -- meaningless marketing-speak blabber. I wonder if a translation of whatever "hardcore" is supposed to mean sounds as goofy to them as their slogans do to us ...

      But yeah, you go Xbox, you're freakin' hardcore man. One tough hombre. HARDCORE.

      Does sound silly, huh?

    16. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Neat! How do both games handle moving the character around with the remote used for weaponry?

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    17. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by digidave · · Score: 1

      The nunchuk accessory will come with the Wii, so you use a standard analog stick to move the player while the remote works like a souped-up light gun. It's very similar to a keyboard and mouse setup, but I think the light gun-style of shooting will make it even better.

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    18. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      the nunchuck is also motion-sensitive, for example in Red Steel you move it forward sharply as if pushing on a door to open doors.

    19. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by KeiichiMorisato · · Score: 1
      but to date no GameCube game has ever impressed me with its graphics compared to the shiniest PS2 and Xbox games

      Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube beat out all XBox and PS2 games for Best Graphics.

      http://bestof.ign.com/2005/overall/13.html

      So obviously coders who know what they are doing can make Cube games look great, so why not the Wii?

      The problem with what Sony and Microsoft are doing is that they are pushing console technology to be upgraded too quickly. Like the computer industry, rapidly improving hardware is leading to lazy coding and not improvement via optimizing and pushing the limits of a machine. The coders don't even have the time to let their skills mature, before they have to start working on another new generation of machines. Look at the last squirmings of the SNES, sure they used some tricks, but they made Donkey Kong Country look amazing compared to PSX games.

    20. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Informative

      but to date no GameCube game has ever impressed me with its graphics compared to the shiniest PS2 and Xbox games.

      That's amusing, because if you're impressed with the graphics of PS2 games, you must be fairly easily impressed. I can't think of a single PS2 game that pushed the envelope in terms of graphics, whereas I can list a dozen or more each from the Gamecube and XBox libraries.

      The Gamecube hardware is far superior to that of the PS2, no matter how much Sony kool-aid you've been drinking.

      --Jeremy

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    21. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard Call of Duty 3 is also coming out for Wii, maybe at launch. They did very well out of being a launch title for the 360 so it makes sense to try again.

      Anyway, it's weird, I see CoD 2 for PC in the shop and I laugh - no way am I going to buy a WW2 FPS, I got tired of those a long time ago. But on the Wii I'm suddenly interested... if it gets good reviews and has good multiplayer I might even buy it!

    22. Re:Wii is in a "different space"? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      It IS true. It was true with the Gamecube, too, but that was harder to see since it was a little more in line with the Xbox and PS2 specs-wise.

      Nintendo doesn't compete in the same space as Nintendo and Sony. They're trying to DO something with their games to make them fun; they don't just throw graphics at you and hope something sticks. They rely on good franchises, and they publish easy to play, fun games. Everyone can play Mario Party or Mario Cart, even if they can't play Halo. This isn't a difference between 'kid' games and 'adult' games, this is a difference between 'fun' games and games that just try to shock you or impress you with more flash. This isn't to say that there aren't some games that do it all for people, but Nintendo concentrates on the availability and playability first, and the graphics second. If the game needs a certain visual style, that's the direction they go.

      Nintendo's been playing a different game (excuse the pun) for years now, and it shows when you look at the balance sheet. They make money at their business because they know what their business is and how to do it right.

  11. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by Gulthek · · Score: 1

    Exactly! The story submitter or editor should have done a quick google search and inluded relevant information in the story summary.

  12. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 1
    do a quick google search, god
    Why in the world would I want to do that when P.A.L.'s like you will do it for me?

    Grammar Nazi side note: the comma at the end is ambiguous. Is it just an exasperated exclamation, or are you referring to parent poster as god?
    Bonus to any other Grammar Nazis who can point out the subtle reason you can tell that it is the former case.
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  13. Do your homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "1) The news that the HD protection bit means that all PS3 support HD/1080p BluRay movies right out of the box for both the 499 and 599 versions. The 360 does not support 1080p and forces you to buy a oh so popular console item 'the add on'. The 360 right now looks overpriced and clunky for anyone who wants to watch HD movies with it 399 + how much for the HD-DVD strap on pack?"

    AACS does not allow 1080p over component, period. The 499 "tard pack" PS3 will not play 1080p BD movies, evar.

    1. Re:Do your homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "AACS does not allow 1080p over component, period. The 499 "tard pack" PS3 will not play 1080p BD movies, evar."

      Bzzzzzttt!!!

      Keep up with the news dummy! No IC token for a decade.

      499 and 599 PS3 will play 1080p HD movies and 1080p games out of the box.

      End of story.

      My god are these things going to sell like mad come November...

      1080p set prices are in a free fall, TV stations all over the US have begun the HD push and are advertisting HD like mad now. And here comes Sony with the cheapest BluRay player on the market. Oh boy!

  14. Wii works with GameCube controllers by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the Wii will provide you with some amazing games but you'll still need our system to play most of the games you already like.

    Last time I checked, Super Smash Bros. Brawl will work with GameCube controllers, and it will work with Nintendo's new Wii-specific Dual Shock clone. Besides, doesn't Nintendo have the "games you already like" market locked up with Virtual Console?

    1. Re:Wii works with GameCube controllers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't saying that I don't think the Wii will have good conventional games but that Sony and Microsoft don't want you to think that the Wii will have good conventional games. Personally, I'd say that the Excite Truck controls will work (about) as well as any analogue stick for any racing game, but that Microsoft and Sony stand no chance of replicating Super Mario Galaxies' control setup and they know it.

    2. Re:Wii works with GameCube controllers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the SNES controller clone.

  15. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Peter Moore has shown off his Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto 4 tattoos when announcing the games. Both tattoos are quite real as shown in a GearLive interview.

    Wow. It's one thing to drink the Redmond Kool-Aid, but to get tattooed to show your devotion to evil? That's just sad.

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  16. Your arrogant by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    We don't know if the wii will wipe the floor with anything. It's new and it's radical and NO one on slashdot has one. The concept is interesting and cool but we simply don't know if people will like and adopt the new controller in the long term more so then traditional controllers.

    We also dont' know how the lack of hd will affect people's perception ofthe console. So claiming that it will wipe the floor with the 360 is arrogance itself.

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  17. Brain, brain, what is brain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Learn to write a summary. Sheesh!

    Indeed, but for a different reason:
    Peter Moore recently led an intimate round-table discussion at E3 where journalists were allowed to pluck his brain...
    Most people wouldn't allow journalists to get so intimate as to allow them to remove your brain!
  18. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by MsGeek · · Score: 1

    but to get tattooed to show your devotion to evil? That's just sad.

    Sort of like this guy?

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  19. Sony's big fear by metamatic · · Score: 1

    I actually think Sony's comment was a bit more "negative" since they referred to the Wii as a "second console." Personally, I still think you are going to get a great deal of budget minded gamers who will purchase the Wii as a "first" or "only" console and wait for the prices of the PS3 and 360 to drop to more reasonable levels.

    I think that's Sony's fear, and it's quite justified.

    The GameCube was my second console after the PS2. I bought many more games for PS2 than for GameCube. However, I'm not touching PS3 until the price drops significantly; so if Nintendo's Wii comes in at $250 or less, as people seem to expect, it's going to be very tempting to make that my new primary console while I wait for PS3 to drop in price. Of course, in the mean time I'll be buying Wii games, and not PS3 games...

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  20. Microsoft's Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have said it before and I will say it again. This is a strategy employed by Microsoft to increase interest in the Wii in hopes of lowering sales of the PS3. Microsoft knows that their biggest competitor is Sony, and Nintendo would not have enough muscle to beat Microsft once Sony is out of the picture.

    What Microsoft is doing now is to try to kill Sony first. Once Sony is out, Microsoft can start tying their Xbox business with their monopolies to strangle-hold the market. Gamers and consumers SHOULD NOT be supporting Microsoft on their endeavors.

    1. Re:Microsoft's Strategy by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Probably more like they got NOTHING against Nintendo, so the only one they might be able to take is Sony. I doubt they will have the better console or games or most costumers however. The only bad thing for Sony is the price, but atleast they always got a HDD, a next-gen video player (depends on how succesful Microsoft is in screwing that up), HDMI output and probably better cpu and gfx performance + loads of japanese games and I also think backward compatibility with the PS2 and PSX?

  21. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1


    The time you spent doing a quick Google search, and the time everyone else who didn't know who Moore is spent doing the same, could have been saved if the submitter or the editor has simply put the two words "Microsoft exec" in the story capsule.

    Given how many Slashdotters there are, that's cumulatively hours and hours of lost productivity. Thanks, Slashdot.

  22. dreamcast already did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just think I should mention that Quake 3 for DC lets you play against people on Windows, so long as they have the right patch level.
    And people are still playing BF 2 because it's good, maybe achievements motivate some but I'm sure people would play without them. Counter-Strike doesn't have any...

    instead of being a typical AC, well, firstly, I'm pretty different to that guy, I don't give a fuck about the 360 suceeding or not? But, honestly, why bother to register. Do I really want yet another username and password to yet another forum? Do you think I care about the difference between ironwill96 and ironwall95? I judge each post seperately, by content not author.

  23. Troll family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you guys somehow related?

  24. His arrogant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about my arrogant? Mine deserves some attention, too!

    But I guess you haven't been paying attention to recent media, because nobody cares about the Xbox 360 or PS3 any more; everybody's talking about the Wii. It's already wiping the floor with them in terms of marketing.

    1. Re:His arrogant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we all know that whatever is talked about in the media most MUST go on to be wildly successful.

      Yes, of course, just like every other flop in history.

      Wait and see, dammit. Publicity means nothing.

  25. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he were using "god" as a proper noun, he would've capitalized the first letter. God!

    Granted, with as poor as his spelling and punctuation are, it's entirely possible that he meant it as a proper noun and just didn't bother to capitalize it.

  26. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 1

    God isn't capitalized?

  27. Different space?? by volpanic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If by "different space," he means people's living-rooms, then I'd agree. If people have the choice between the 360, the PS3, or the Wii + being able to eat more than ramen in order to buy the console and games - it's not a hard choice. No amount of processing power is going to wash that MSG taste out of my mouth.

  28. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

    Wow. It's one thing to not drink the Redmond Kool-Aid, but to label two games evil just because the man that had their names tattooed on himself works for Microsoft? That's just stupid.

  29. Moore must be shaking in his boots... by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Peter Moore wouldn't be saying all of these positive things about the Wii if he wasn't scared to death of what it could do to Xbox 360 sales.

    The Wii could conceivably cost half as much as the 360 Premium Package, and Nintendo has announced a Wii title in nearly all (or maybe all?) of its major franchises. If I were Peter Moore, I'd be scared too.

    Moore's trying to create a "Wii + 360 > PS3" equation in people's minds, and I'm not saying he's wrong, but I don't think that he'd be saying anything positive about Nintendo or the Wii if he thought that the Xbox 360 could become the #1 new console in its own right.

    After this year's E3, I've decided that I'll be purchasing a Wii in 2007 when a lot of the non-launch games have come out, and that I just don't care about what the 360 has to offer for the amount of money I have to spend on one, especially since I can already do all of that media center stuff on my PC. There you have it--Microsoft lost at least one potential 360 customer (myself) after E3 2006. How many more people must be out there that have feelings similar to my own?

    People like me are the reason Peter Moore is complementing the Wii. He wants me, and everybody like me, to get the 360 by creating the illusion that there's a copasetic relationship between the Wii and 360 just because they're not made by Sony. However, just because I can get a Wii and 360 for roughly the price of a PS3 doesn't mean that I should buy an entire other console just because I haven't blown $600 on hardware.

    Some people are saying that Nintendo isn't trying to compete with MS and Sony since they've taken such a different approach to their new console, but honestly, I think that Nintendo has become more competitive than ever. The Wii is small, backwards-compatible, online-ready, much cheaper than the 360 and PS3, and most importantly, it's unique and inspired. Hats off to Nintendo for truly bringing a revolution to console gaming.

    1. Re:Moore must be shaking in his boots... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Christ on a cross, why isn't this modded up?

      He wants me, and everybody like me, to get the 360 by creating the illusion that there's a copasetic relationship between the Wii and 360 just because they're not made by Sony. However, just because I can get a Wii and 360 for roughly the price of a PS3 doesn't mean that I should buy an entire other console just because I haven't blown $600 on hardware.

      Indeed. You could get two consoles for $600 but I'd prefer getting one, extra controllers, a memory card or whatever solid-state memory the Wii accepts, a few games. I'm sure most people will, too.

    2. Re:Moore must be shaking in his boots... by jmj_sd · · Score: 1
      Peter Moore wouldn't be saying all of these positive things about the Wii if he wasn't scared to death of what it could do to Xbox 360 sales.
      Of course, how could someone possibly admire other people doing interesting things in their field. I mean you would never hear someone from Ferrari say that Land Rover makes nice cars, would you ? And that if you're interested in both driving fast and going off-road you should get an Enzo and a Range Rover ?

      The XBox 360 and Wii have a different target audience. In the current generation, a lot of games came out on XBox, GameCube and PS2. The good multiplatform titles took advantage of each console's features (better graphics on XBox and GC, hard drive and online on XBox, ...), the bad ones just ported the PS2 version.

      In the next generation, I think we'll see a lot less multiplatform titles. We'll get the usual EA shovelware, but I think each console will highlight its strengths a lot more :

      • Wii : unique controller
      • XBox 360 : high definition, XBox live
      • PS3 : high definition, and ehh... even more unskippable CGI cutscenes because they can put more data on a BluRay disc ? I guess we'll have to wait to see what will be the distinguishing features.

      And all 3 will have exclusive titles.
      The Wii could conceivably cost half as much as the 360 Premium Package
      How about avoiding words like "conceivably" and waiting until the thing is actually in the shops before pulling out the fuzzy math ? All evidence suggests that the Wii will be cheaper than the other consoles, but exactly by how much no one can know right now.
      and Nintendo has announced a Wii title in nearly all (or maybe all?) of its major franchises.
      And those franchises are a big part of why a lot of people will never be interested in owning a Nintendo console. I cringe every time I see another Mario variation. And yes, I know games like Resident Evil 4 exist, but they are in the minority. See how it works ? I'm not part of Nintendo's audience. And I don't have to be, there are plenty of other people who are. Just like I'm completely underwhelmed by the GTA series, don't play any sports games, pity CounterStrike nuts, and can't even begin to understand the attraction of Japanese RPGs or MMORPGs. And still there are millions of people who enjoy all of these things.

      The world is not black and white : in the current generation, the XBox matches my taste in games the best. But still I got a PS2 too after a few years because it had some exclusives I also wanted to play. If there was some exclusive GameCube title that I'm very interested in, I would probably get one of them too. And none of those decisions would cause my head to explode. When I bought the XBox several years ago, I didn't have to sign over my undying loyalty to Microsoft. It didn't cause me to ignore impressive games on other systems.

    3. Re:Moore must be shaking in his boots... by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 1

      Yes, there are different audiences amongst the different consoles, but to generalize, people want to play fun games and save money. From a purely commercial standpoint, Nintendo's major franchises are perceived as being fun games, and their console is going to be cheaper than the competition by a significant but as-of-yet unknown margin. Remember, this is the games industry--regrettably, games based on original IP generally don't sell well (with huge exceptions like Fable,) but a well-known franchise is bound to do well no matter how good/bad it is. Look at Psychonauts--fun game with original IP that got many GOTY 2005 awards, but was a commercial flop. By lining up a cheap(er) and unique console with all of its major franchises, Nintendo stands ready to make a ton of money this holiday season and beyond.

      But about Moore, my point was that his statements are self-serving. When asked what he thinks about the price of the PS3, if he held overwhelming confidence in the 360 he would have said, "You can get a 360 and 3-4 games for the price of a PS3!" instead of, "You can get a Wii and 360 for the price of a PS3!" I'm not saying that he's wrong for complementing Nintendo by any stretch, he's just doing it in a way that makes him seem less than fully confident in the 360.

  30. Do yours by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    AACS does not allow 1080p over component, period. The 499 "tard pack" PS3 will not play 1080p BD movies, evar.

    The first part is true as far as the spec goes, but does not really say if the final PS3 will in fact do 1080p over component...

    But that aside what you are missing is that true 1080p displays can reassemble 1080p from 1080i signals, due to 1080i having a higher framerate than 1080p.

    So even if the console may not deliver a movie at 1080i (games will still be able to do 1080p no matter what) if I choose a display properly I can be still watching at 1080p with nearly the same level of quality as 1080p over HDMI. Near enough for 99% of the people buying them anyway.

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  31. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by payndz · · Score: 1
    Moore holds a bachelor's degree from Keele University, England

    Woo! A fellow Keeley!

    Not that it's going to make me rush out and buy a 360...

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  32. I don't know either but. . . by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 0, Redundant
    "actually admits he would like a Wii!"

    I don't know know who Peter Moore is either but apparently he doesn't have a Wii, whoever he is.

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  33. Re:is a microsoft exec. do a quick google search, by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 0
    "Peter Moore rose to prominence at Sega, being a heavy figure in the company's North American operations during the Dreamcast era."

    You don't suppose maybe he could do that trick again and be a heavy figure in MS' North American operations during its Xbox 360 era?

    Watch, my friends, as MS, just like Sega, disappears into nothingness!

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  34. What did Iwata-san pull out? by Hackie_Chan · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Look I was there when Iwata-san pulled out that thing. I was there in the front row in Tokyo... and I said "You've got to give 'em kudos for trying."

    [insert joke here]

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    1. Re:What did Iwata-san pull out? by DrEldarion · · Score: 1, Funny

      What did Iwata-san pull out?

      Why, he pulled out his Wii.

  35. Wii "light-gun" attachment by ronanm · · Score: 1

    There is also going to be a "Zapper" attachment being developed...

      http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/e3-the-wii-zappe r-prototype-revealed/

    It looks like a light gun with the remote in the front part and the nunchuck in the handle. (Though some ppl are saying the nunchuck is too large to fit?)

    It looks really sweet.

  36. Halo 2 for Xbox has an Aimbot by Paran · · Score: 1

    To our knowledge, you cannot turn off auto-aim in Halo 2.

    In the PC gaming world, we call this cheating. In the Xbox world, it's a feature. Go figure.

  37. MS must be shaking in their boots... by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 1

    Peter Moore wouldn't be saying all of these positive things about the Wii if he wasn't scared to death of what it could do to Xbox 360 sales.

    The Wii could conceivably cost half as much as the 360 Premium Package, and Nintendo has announced a Wii title in nearly all (or maybe all?) of its major franchises. If I were Peter Moore, I'd be scared too.

    Moore's trying to create a "Wii + 360 > PS3" equation in people's minds, and I'm not saying he's wrong, but I don't think that he'd be saying anything positive about Nintendo or the Wii if he thought that the Xbox 360 could become the #1 new console in its own right.

    After this year's E3, I've decided that I'll be purchasing a Wii in 2007 when a lot of the non-launch games have come out, and that I just don't care about what the 360 has to offer for the amount of money I have to spend on one, especially since I can already do all of that media center stuff on my PC. There you have it--Microsoft lost at least one potential 360 customer (myself) after E3 2006. How many more people must be out there that have feelings similar to my own?

    People like me are the reason Peter Moore is complementing the Wii. He wants me, and everybody like me, to get the 360 by creating the illusion that there's a copasetic relationship between the Wii and 360 just because they're not made by Sony. However, just because I can get a Wii and 360 for roughly the price of a PS3 doesn't mean that I should buy an entire other console just because I haven't blown $600 on hardware.

    Some people are saying that Nintendo isn't trying to compete with MS and Sony since they've taken such a different approach to their new console, but honestly, I think that Nintendo has become more competitive than ever. The Wii is small, backwards-compatible, online-ready, much cheaper than the 360 and PS3, and most importantly, it's unique and inspired. Hats off to Nintendo for truly bringing a revolution to console gaming.

    1. Re:MS must be shaking in their boots... by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 1

      double post...my bad

  38. Wii classic controller == Dual Shock by tepples · · Score: 1

    The Super NES controller didn't have dual analog sticks down and inward of the +Control Pad and face buttons, nor did it have two extra shoulder buttons.

    1. Re:Wii classic controller == Dual Shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and the Dual Shock doesn't have a d-pad that is properly formed on the exterior or octagonal analog stick gates. However, in its most recent revision (Dual Shock 2), it does have ridiculous depressable analog sticks, uselessly analog buttons and d-pad, dual rumble actuators, a horrible shape, low MTBF, and a non-intuitive button naming convention.

      Their next controller removes both rumble actuators, fixes two of the four triggers, apes the Wii controller's motion detection (but not its arbitrary player orientation detection), and retains every other weakness of the Dual Shock 2.

  39. No he doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By appearing as an "affable everyman" he projects the idea that he feels everyone can identify with this personality, when in fact it's an insult to many people to be compared to such a person. At least, that's how I feel. He seems smarmy and arrogant and egotistical to me.

  40. Hmm... lets see. by MMaestro · · Score: 1
    Peter Moore is...

    A former very high ranking Sega executive who worked on the Dreamcast and was apart of the group who wanted to get Sega out of the hardware business

    He's virtually the Xbox/Xbox360's Reggie Fils-Aime (if you don't know who this is so soon after E3 you're in the wrong section of Slashdot)

    He's the guy that showed off the Halo 2 and GTA4 tattoos as announcements (anyone claiming to be a gamer has at least 'heard of' this)

    He has more achievements than this but these are his video gaming highlights.

    1. Re:Hmm... lets see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's the guy that showed off the Halo 2 and GTA4 tattoos as announcements (anyone claiming to be a gamer has at least 'heard of' this)

      Real gamers are too busy playing games to check out photos of Peter Moore's 'tats'.